View Full Version : 220 holigan lights---2 amps per
reeddean98
Nov 24, 2009, 01:54 PM
I am wiring 14 holigen lights in a town garage.They are compadable with 110/220/208/277... The service is 220 amps... They are pulse start-up.. I am using 12/3 armored wire... from panal- double pole/ 20 amp br. To double pole/20 amp switch, then to 1st light and so on... If the lights are going to run at 2 amps per light, this should be fine, I think. The legnth of run is 140 ft... I will have 2 runs of 7 lights.. Is this OK...
Also, I am running another circuit for flourecent lighting. There was a 30'' x 10 x 10 junction box in the upper corner of the ceiling, where I un installed lights before, the lines to the panal were cut in this box... another words... I have power going into this huge metel junction box, from the panal... there are no other loads on these lines... can I use this box as a junction box to run my lines for lights?
stanfortyman
Nov 24, 2009, 02:02 PM
Town garage?? Are you authorized/licensed/qualified/insured to do this work??
Form the sound of your post I think we can rule out qualified.
What you have are not "halogen". They are some form of HID (high intensity discharge) light.
Halogens are NEVER multi-tap and are not "pulse-start".
If they are 240v (or 120, 208, 277, 480v) then you do not need 12/3. 12/2 is all you need or want. Using 12/3 is just a waste of wire.
Is your 200A service 120/240v or 120/208v?
Stratmando
Nov 24, 2009, 03:12 PM
Not sure what a Town Garage or sure about the lights, bu would like to say 14 Lights X 2 Amps is 28 Amps, need to know the draw per bulb and at what voltage. Are you using 2 circuits? I know it is split 2 sets of seven.
As mentioned 12/2 is needed for 120 or 240 volts, You would need a 12/3 if for 120 volts, sharing a neutral. At 120 volts, the amp will be higher.
reeddean98
Nov 24, 2009, 04:49 PM
Town garage??? Are you authorized/licensed/qualified/insured to do this work???
Form the sound of your post I think we can rule out qualified.
What you have are not "halogen". They are some form of HID (high intensity discharge) light.
Halogens are NEVER multi-tap and are not "pulse-start".
If they are 240v (or 120, 208, 277, 480v) then you do not need 12/3. 12/2 is all you need or want. Using 12/3 is just a waste of wire.
Is your 200A service 120/240v or 120/208v?
OK,so I'm not an expert but I did go to tec. School for electrical but it was 5 years ago and the blade is dull, and I am asking so I wire them correctly... Everything is inspected before turning on power.I was under the impression there must be a nueral and a ground to these lights.I do understand that the nuetral is the ground.These are HID lights-400 watts per light, 2.0 amps at 220 volts.( don't know where I got holigen) The service is 120/240... I know to stay under 20percent of breker amperage... so I believe this is telling me I need to have 3 separate branches for these lights. 5 , 5 , and 4 , from 3 separate double pole 20 amp breakers? The panel is 140 ' ft away from the last light section and I believe for that particular section I should use 10 gage wirde because of the voltage drop over 100' ? Thank you for your time in helping me...
stanfortyman
Nov 24, 2009, 05:48 PM
I was under the impression there must be a nueral and a ground to these lights.I do understand that the nuetral is the ground.First off, the neutral is absolutely NOT the ground. They are two very different things.
120v and 277v have a neutral because they are line-to-neutral voltages.
208v, (230v) 240v, 480v do NOT have a neutral as they are line-to-line voltages.
140 feet is teetering just on the edge of needing to upsize from #12 to #10. Considering the load is spread across the 140' and not all on the far end I would not bother with #10.
You do have to keep to 80% of the circuit for this continuous load so this means 16 amps for a 20A circuit. If the lights are 2A each then you can seven each on two circuits.
reeddean98
Nov 24, 2009, 06:44 PM
First off, the neutral is absolutely NOT the ground. They are two very different things.
120v and 277v have a neutral because they are line-to-neutral voltages.
208v, (230v) 240v, 480v do NOT have a neutral as they are line-to-line voltages.
140 feet is teetering just on the edge of needing to upsize from #12 to #10. Considering the load is spread across the 140' and not all on the far end I would not bother with #10.
You do have to keep to 80% of the circuit for this continuous load so this means 16 amps for a 20A circuit. If the lights are 2A each then you can seven each on two circuits.
You are extreamly knowledgeable and obviously know what you are talking about and I truly appreciate you answering my questions.I have done quite a bit of residentual wiring but what little bit I have learned at school is far forgotten when it comes to commercial application.You have been a fantastic help.
So, I will stick to the 12/2, use 2 separate branches... Also, I would like to thank you for explaining to me about the neutral and ground.I have some degree of difficulty undestanding it, but I do thank you for sharing your knowledge with me... you have been a trumendus help.
Stratmando
Nov 24, 2009, 06:48 PM
A quick note, the Neutral carries current, a ground handles a fault to ground and usually does not carry current.
reeddean98
Nov 24, 2009, 06:54 PM
A quick note, the Neutral carries current, a ground handles a fault to ground and usually does not carry current.
I got it... You should be an instructer or a teacher... Your the best ! I live in upstate Ny, but I grew up in Pembroke Pines, Fla. Just outside of hollywood... Take care... Thanks again!