For sam is just lighting tricks or did he really get much lighter?

I have used his 20% product in the past and started to get really lighter, but I stopped last year and my natural color has come back so either way he lied, his product was NOT permenent!

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/0b0c3a2c.jpghttp://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/cut.jpg

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__42/ept_sports_mlb_experts-994843822-1257786137.jpg?yma8dLCDd6Kw1YfF

Sam used Monobenzone..

Sosa - is using some other bleach.. He is NOT using monobenzone... that's not vitiligo colour...

Sams is vitiligo colour ! But evenly spread!

How did SAM get it to work evenly?

Hi,

It's obvious that in the first picture, you can see visible tan lines underneath "samirch's" shirt. Note that these are visible underneath his neck as well, and would be plausible to assume that the shade matches his skin tone in the second picture, under intense light.

The pictures are obviously taken in the same almost exact pose and background to sell a lighter look compared to a darker look.
Are you saying he just got rid of his tan? Or its lighting tricks?

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/today.jpg

I wish this pic were bigger. He looks bright white here:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/51c9f7c9.jpg

Sammy looks frightening with those contacts in his eyes, they do not look like the best of brands. But, Sammy S. states that he used a lightening product from Europe.

As for "Sam"... lighting from your lamps and other lighting sources around the house versus standing in a room of darkness can do wonders, except the results are only captured in the camera. But, to me it seems as though Sam still has undertones? Also, he states that he used mono. Beware there are many mono scammers online..

Absolutely. It makes perfect sense that by tanning, you originate yourself as a darker skinned individual, yet upon losing this tan, you manage to market yourself as a permanently lightened individual.

The user himself has been known to be quite conniving; having setup several sites selling misrepresented and largely "fake" products. Some may remember the product "Benzyl-Arbutin", which has never been documented, licensed, or known to work. Apparently this product has provided the user in question with great results, while every other buyer has posted complaints about it.

Sammy looks frightening with those contacts in his eyes, they don't look like the best of brands. But, Sammy S. states that he used a lightening product from Europe.

As for Sam...lighting from your lamps and other lighting sources around the house versus standing in a room of darkness can do wonders, except the results are only captured in the camera. But, to me it seems as though Sam still has undertones? Also, he states that he used mono. Beware there are many mono scammers online..


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/51c9f7c9.jpg




Absolutely. It makes perfect sense that by tanning, you originate yourself as a darker skinned individual, yet upon losing this tan, you manage to market yourself as a permanently lightened individual.

The user himself has been known to be quite conniving; having setup several sites selling misrepresented and largely "fake" products. Some may remember the product "Benzyl-Arbutin", which has never been documented, licensed, or known to work. Apparently this product has provided the user in question with great results, while every other buyer has posted complaints about it.

Several? I have bought his "permanent" 20% micro and benzyl products from depig and herbalinn since 2007 got much lighter, but it stopped working as soon as I stopped!
That's sad it works permanently only for him and no one else.
Yes GoldenGirl, in his new winter coat pic he looks kind of dark undertoned, too. But not as dark as his original tanned pic. And very very even, in all his pics, compared to Sammy's blotchyness, which is why I'm still interested.

So onto Sammy, lilgreg if you had to take your best educated guess what would you conclude Sammy has used?

To be honest, I'm in no position to guarantee whether a person has used a product or not.

However, I've based my conclusion off the fact that he is a seller, known to be deceiving and contradictory in statements, along with pictures that once again relate to my proposition of tanning and losing it. As such, it's plausible for myself to believe that 'Samirch' has not used any permanent skin lightener at the very least, including monobenzone.

If you're referring to Sammy Sosa, (hard to tell based upon people referring Samirch to 'Sam' and 'Sammy' in the past), it's impossible for me to give an educated guess. He's used something available to the (extremely) upper class, and as such, wouldn't be something known to the public medical world, nor possibly well-researched or safe. That goes to say that Sammy Sosa has denied lightening his skin with motive, and then went on to keep his solution a secret.

To be honest, I'm in no position to guarantee whether or not a person has used a product or not.

However, I've based my conclusion off of the fact that he is a seller, known to be deceiving and contradictory in statements, along with pictures that once again relate to my proposition of tanning and losing it. As such, it's plausible for myself to believe that 'Samirch' has not used any permanent skin lightener at the very least, including monobenzone.

If you're referring to Sammy Sosa, (hard to tell based upon people referring Samirch to 'Sam' and 'Sammy' in the past), it's impossible for me to give an educated guess. He's used something available to the (extremely) upper class, and as such, wouldn't be something known to the public medical world, nor possibly well-researched or safe. That goes to say that Sammy Sosa has denied lightening his skin with motive, and then went on to keep his solution a secret.
Shame on Sammy Sosa he seems really greedy with what he is doing to the media and fans at large.

Thank you lilgreg1 for your honest assessment. I find myself confused about my having gotten so much lighter in 2007, and 2008, and then I haven't tanned a lot, yet I am almost back to as dark as I started.

So I'm my case, I lost what I thought was my permatan for almost 2 years, but it came back without much sun exposure anyway because I took a long break from lightening creams. Right now I'm using pills, supplements.

I just read through some of your others posts, lilgreg1, that you have been using 5% monobenzone with 5% arbutin, since a few months now already, how is that going? Monobenzone patched me up, I hope arbutin helps you lighten more evenly than monobenzone by itself usually does.

I've noticed confetti like patches in my skin previously, but yes, Alpha Arbutin really does go the extra mile towards evening out your skin tone. Scientifically speak, Alpha Arbutin along with other tyrosine inhibitors are one of the only 'skin lighteners' that are proven to work even when your melanocytes become active again. This is very effective for Monobenzone users who don't have vitiligo, seeing as most users begin to darken after a while in spite of their re-activated melanocytes reproduction.

Anyhow, lightening is going moderately well for me. It's slowed down a bit, but I've definitely noticed results, especially after going through a process of using 5% Monobenzone for 2 weeks, taking a break, and using 5% Alpha Arbutin. (Repeated process)

This isn't to say that it'll work for everyone, but I presume that if you have dark olive to medium brown skin (like myself), you're guaranteed some form of positive result. I can conclude that upon reaching complete results, using a maintainer (such as Alpha Arbutin, etc.) will keep my results for however long I intend so. Quite inexpensive in terms of long-term use.

Absolutely. It makes perfect sense that by tanning, you originate yourself as a darker skinned individual, yet upon losing this tan, you manage to market yourself as a permanently lightened individual.

The user himself has been known to be quite conniving; having setup several sites selling misrepresented and largely "fake" products. Some may remember the product "Benzyl-Arbutin", which has never been documented, licensed, or known to work. Apparently this product has provided the user in question with great results, while every other buyer has posted complaints about it.

Exactly... I was going to say this too... that same guy swore by Benzyl arbutin... which we all learned was crap

Yes looks like he has gone back to his old ways with that small jar of possibly mercury laced-cream, its worked fast but it is NOT permanent! And I am looking for something truly permenent!

Sammy Sosa looks an absolute mess! Yuck!

Yes Sammy Sosa looks a mess whereas wam, bam thank you Sam!
It looks like Sam and Sammy's before and afters are the only 2 people online with shown results.
If Sam's case is "just" him losing a deep tan and lighting effects, still I can see a dramatic change I want for myself, to lose my own South Asian tan as that itself is not easy. Wish others who claim success would show what consistent lighting and dramatic lightening really look like, if Sam's is not a good example.
Because, then what is..



the pictures are obviously taken in the same almost exact pose and background to sell a lighter look compared to a darker look.
are you saying he just got rid of his tan? or its lighting tricks?

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/today.jpg

i wish this pic were bigger. he looks bright white here:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/51c9f7c9.jpg


for sam is just lighting tricks or did he really get much lighter?

i have used his 20% product in the past and started to get really lighter, but i stopped last year and my natural color has come back so either way he lied, his product was NOT permenent!

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/0b0c3a2c.jpghttp://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/cut.jpg

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__42/ept_sports_mlb_experts-994843822-1257786137.jpg?yma8dLCDd6Kw1YfF

Sam's result is much better, he looks to have went from a dark brown tan to a pale olive white color whereas Sammy's result looks like a white cast over black skin resulting in that uneven patchy grey zombie vampire look.
Sammy's before picture on our left has dark lighting and one on our right has very bright lighting, just like Sam's old before and afters, above. 1 year apart too right? Hmmm..

Sammy's result looks like a white cast over black skin resulting in that uneven patchy grey zombie vampire look.

Yeah, it does look like that on sammy s.

With Sam, he never came back to explain or make things clear. He just disappeared again, so it's all true.

LOL! I've encountered Sam many years ago on the old Yahoo brighter skin forum, he's been posting the same old pics for YEARS! I honestly don't think he go that much lighter!

He was never dark to begin with!
What a shade or two at best, nothing major like Sammy S.

It's great to see several pics of him on here.
Where are the others? Nikki? I want to see results from other products, like Fair & Flawless and the dramatic whitening Sepiwhite produces. :)

So what did dear old sammy use any one know

so what did dear old sammy use any one know

Sammy states he used a "lightening creme form Europe". But, that can be anything... and he still could be lying. Before that he said is was skin resurfasing or something like that.

I was thinking lately, Sammy could have planned this all. He retired early in his career, he is only 41. Millionaires like him, and his wife, tend to spend a lot. He probably planned, like Sam, to get dramatically lighter and create a storm of chatter and interest in what he used, then sell it.

I think he messed up bigtime since 1, he ended up so uneven even through makeup, and 2, he first said just laser rejuvenation. So he is doing this a$$ backwards and it will probably be another big marketing ploy of a disappointment when he finally reveals what he "really" used.

Well I am taking the glass half full approach and I am anxiously waiting for him to reveal what he used

Lol... well it could be marketing ploy and he may come out and spill the beans on what he actually used... in an infomercial. But I thought he was forced to retire because he was using a cork baseball bat and also had to testify, among a few other players, that he used steroids. Although he is now wealthy, no one will take him 100% seriously anymore because of what he did.

lol...well it could be marketing ploy and he may come out and spill the beans on what he actually used...in an infomercial. but I thought he was forced to retire because he was using a cork baseball bat and also had to testify, among a few other players, that he used steroids. although he is now wealthy, no one will take him 100% seriously anymore because of what he did.

In other words, Sammy Sosa would make a perfect bouncer!

Hi everyone just wanted to tell you guys that sammy sosa is not looking so weird in person.I saw some videos of him on YouTube and his skin is looking wonderful(thats what I think),not that pale whitish as in the photos but has a browner shade to it. Although I cannot understand that there are some brown spots on his face. Here are the links if anyone want to watch his videos.
YouTube - Sammy Sosa White (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0LzbcJXtyA) (His birthday party video)
YouTube - SAMMY SOSA CREMA BALANQUIADORA UNA BAINA BACANA. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SF8wh_hn1U)
YouTube - Sammy Sosa Anuncia Su Crema Blanqueadora :) New Sosas Cream Coming Soon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maBPVd-2i3w) (Interview in some language I cannot understand)

Hi everyone just wanted to tell you guys that sammy sosa is not looking so weird in person.I saw some videos of him on youtube and his skin is looking wonderful(thats what I think),not that pale whitish as in the photos but has a browner shade to it. Although I cannot understand that there are some brown spots on his face. Here are the links if anyone want to watch his videos.
YouTube - Sammy Sosa White (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0LzbcJXtyA) (His birthday party video)
YouTube - SAMMY SOSA CREMA BALANQUIADORA UNA BAINA BACANA. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SF8wh_hn1U)
YouTube - Sammy Sosa Anuncia Su Crema Blanqueadora :) New Sosas Cream Coming Soon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maBPVd-2i3w) (Interview in some language I cannot understand)

In last video he said it's a cream from Europe and he doesn't want to say the name yet.
He said only puts it on his face area not his whole body, he even said that if he puts it on his whole body, he would have to call 911!

in last video he said its a cream from Europe and he doesn't want to say the name yet.
he said only puts it on his face area not his whole body, he even said that if he puts it on his whole body, he would have to call 911!

Lol sweet you are so funny, well I can't wait for the cream I hope he releases it soon

in last video he said its a cream from Europe and he doesn't want to say the name yet.
he said only puts it on his face area not his whole body, he even said that if he puts it on his whole body, he would have to call 911!

What?? Why would he say he'd have to call 911 if he uses it on his body?

Shawty got di fire dancing on di dance floor? :D

No but seriously, whyyyy?? It burns? Or is dangerous if applied to large areas? Scary.

I think its mono, it's the only thing that I know that burns so much, by the way golden your singing is cute, yeah he would be saying whoaaa whoaa lol if he applied it to the body

U think? Yeah, or mequinol?
But he will rpobably plug for some crappy product, like Nur76.

http://nur76skinlightening.com/images/nur76-skin-lightening-works-2.jpg

http://www.cmonkeys.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Sammy-Sosa-Photoshociao.jpg

I hope not, that WOULD BE A HUGH DISAPPOINTMENT OMG the thought alone makes me want to cry

i think its mono, its the only thing that i know that burns so much, btw golden your singing is cute, yeah he would be saying whoaaa whoaa lol if he applied it to the body

Whose singing is cute?




http://www.cmonkeys.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Sammy-Sosa-Photoshociao.jpg

True, mequinol is a strong possibility, because he still has some undertones and it also burns. Well, he just might come out with something after all if it's more than a joke. Or like GB said, he could become a bouncer.. lol. But that pic above looks like a holloween party pic. :( and that cartoon hat has to go!

i hope not, that WOULD BE A HUGH DISAPPOINTMENT OMG the thought alone makes me wanna cry


Then prepared to be disappointed

Has anyone seen Sosa lately?
I want to know if his new complexion darkened any?

Seen him on the spanish channels (telemundo, univision, canal azteca) but he's wearing progressively more and more airbrush makeup... weird!

seen him on the spanish channels (telemundo, univision, canal azteca) but he's wearing progressively more and more airbrush makeup... weird!

Is the airbrushed makeup lighter or darker than his current tone?

This is annoying really,
Just come out and say what he used.

Anyone else notice it only took him
Him from
May 2009 to Nov. 2009


How fast is that.
Im using mequinol, and I'm not half way even,
In fact I don't feel like I'm seeing any difference
And Mequinol alone does not burn at all.
I don't even know if it has effect on me.

U think? Yeah, or mequinol?
But he will rpobably plug for some crappy product, like Nur76.

http://nur76skinlightening.com/images/nur76-skin-lightening-works-2.jpg

http://www.cmonkeys.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Sammy-Sosa-Photoshociao.jpg

Just checking in. I almost forget about this topic. What is product is Sammy selling yet, it has been along time

No... if that is the way mono works... yell no! I am not going anywhere close to it.
He looks like... a blank A4 paper! Too strange!

Firstly, why has someone PHOTOSHOPPED sammy sosas pic with that woman to make him look this way ?

Sammy Sosa like Lil greg says has used something dangerous and high end unavailable to the middle or lower class.

It's a STEROID based product. Look at his complexion. Its certainly not mono or mequinol . Mono will make him pale white. Mequinol does not give melasma.. his face looks lighter with grey mercury melasmic looking spots

its GREY and has a higher probability of MERCURY in it!


Mequinol would have made him darker for a year or two ( not the gold pharma crap but pure mequinol) and then possibily depigged him.

Sam I'm sure has used monobenzone in the past. His lightening is real. You can make it out.now he seems to have switched over to something else.

Because its not mono with the kind of complexion he is sporting lately. Its light but like he is maintaining on something else.

And guys please!

Anyone with colored contacts look radically different.

The fact that he lightened is being HIGHLIGHTED ONLY because he is constantly wearing lenses.

That makes him look like a totally new person. If he removes those lenses and stays black in the eye. He will look plain lighter. Not as significant as he is looking right now .

No...if that is the way mono works...yell no! I am not going anywhere close to it.
He looks like ...a blank A4 paper! Too strange!

I think that last picture is a joke, I don’t think he is that colour lol. I doubt that he used mono, the picture in the first post is his complexion and that not depiged look, he is uneven.

I think that last picture is a joke, I don’t think he is that colour lol. I doubt that he used mono, the picture in the first post is his complexion and that not depiged look, he is uneven.

Oh my my my...
Thank you for that correction.
I was losing my breath!

Oh my my my...
Thank you for that correction.
I was losing my breath!


I know a lot of people have this understanding that all mono users will look gray white lol. Trust me it is not true, I have seen so many depiged people none of them look gray! The thing is a lot who decide to use mono don't like to post pictures and I don't blame them too much drama. I have very nice red undertone, and once there is an update I will share my before and after pictures with you that is a promise ;)

I know a lot of people have this understanding that all mono users will look gray white lol. Trust me it is not true, I have seen so many depiged people none of them look gray! The thing is a lot who decide to use mono don’t like to post pictures and I don’t blame them too much drama. I have very nice red undertone, and once there is an update I will share my before and after pictures with you that is a promise ;)

Thanks sara_uk.
Will be waiting to live the experience en direct!

for sam is just lighting tricks or did he really get much lighter?

i have used his 20% product in the past and started to get really lighter, but i stopped last year and my natural color has come back so either way he lied, his product was NOT permenent!

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/0b0c3a2c.jpghttp://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d125/samirch99/cut.jpg

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__42/ept_sports_mlb_experts-994843822-1257786137.jpg?yma8dLCDd6Kw1YfF

Sammy sosa... My hero hahaha!
Incredible

Mequinol would have made him darker for a year or two ( not the gold pharma crap but pure mequinol) and then possibily depigged him.



Why do you say the Mequinol and gold pharama is crap? Have you used it? How did it work for you?

@ partygod - Im sceptical of Gold pharma because everyone who is using mequinol from there is seeing lightening in a matter of two weeks and three weeks.

Mequinol has never been documented to create lightening so soon .

Its almost as if something extra is added to catalyse the lightening process. And you would have to wonder what.

I COULD BE WRONG THOUGH!

@ partygod - Im sceptical of Gold pharma because everyone who is using mequinol from there is seeing lightening in a matter of two weeks and three weeks.

Mequinol has never been documented to create lightening so soon .

Its almost as if something extra is added to catalyse the lightening process. And you would have to wonder what.

I COULD BE WRONG THOUGH!

Well imgorgeous... your scepticism speaks well for your Sensibility. But you have to take into consideration the percentage of Mequinol present in the creams at goldpharma. 10% and 20% of any lightening agent is a lot!! I used fair and flawless with 5% sepiwhite and I saw lightening in a week!

Also Mequinol is a depigmenting agent! It should come as no surprise when one sees intense lightening in a short period. I don't think the creams at goldpharma are adulterated or in any way tampered with.

I've spoken with many... and done a quite a bit of reaserch where Mequinol is concerned, and from what I gather its an excellent skin lightener.

@ Partygod - I see the logic in your statements, But I beg to differ.

Mequinol is a depigmenting agent, but a relatively weaker one. It does come as a surprise because you speak of 10 per cent . But I have friends using 25 per cent Mequinol and someone known to me in PERSON is using 20 per cent home concocted mequinol, and it has not done anything to lighten him yet!

As for fair and flawless, it is NO HIDDEN SECRET that these products are MORE than just sepiwhite. They may contain sepiwhite but the reason that people tend to see lightening in a WEEK with such products like Bio Claire, Fair and Flawless, and Tonique is only because they are laden and full of steroidal based products.

It is a fact, and these are usually seen high on the list of STAY away from lightening products.

Obviously, if you use steroids you are BOUND to see lightening soon . Forget a week. I wouldn't be surprised if you saw a change in a night.

Mequinol cannot and will not depig in a week. When people struggle with a much stronger depigmentor like Monobenzone for weeks and months to see changes, its not logical to think that Mequinol can do it in a week .

It possibly can smoothen and lighten scars etc. and even remove melasma in a week or two but you will never see lightening in that much time.

Whatever Sammy Sosa did. His current complexion looks disgusting, He looks gray.. it's unnatural.

What Sammy Sosa did - a high chance of having used mercury , because grey usually comes from mercuric lighteners, His current complexion in ALL HONESTY looks a lot better than he started at.

He may look gray, but he still looks a lot better. He was quite unattractive in the face earlier. And that's my honest opinion.

@ Partygod - I see the logic in your statements, But I beg to differ.

Mequinol is a depigmenting agent, but a relatively weaker one. It does come as a surprise because you speak of 10 per cent . But I have friends using 25 per cent Mequinol and someone known to me in PERSON is using 20 per cent home concocted mequinol, and it has not done anything to lighten him yet!

As for fair and flawless, it is NO HIDDEN SECRET that these products are MORE than just sepiwhite. They may contain sepiwhite but the reason that people tend to see lightening in a WEEK with such products like Bio Claire, Fair and Flawless, and Tonique is only because they are laden and full of steroidal based products.

It is a fact, and these are usually seen high on the list of STAY away from lightening products.

Obviously, if you use steroids you are BOUND to see lightening soon . Forget a week. I wouldnt be surprised if you saw a change in a night.

Mequinol cannot and will not depig in a week. When people struggle with a much stronger depigmentor like Monobenzone for weeks and months to see changes, its not logical to think that Mequinol can do it in a week .

It possibly can smoothen and lighten scars etc. and even remove melasma in a week or two but you will never see lightening in that much time.

WOW! Fair and flawless stuff contains STEROIDS!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: I Don't EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY! Do you really think so?? But Mequinol doesn't depigment in a week! It lightens in a week there's a difference... well I've started compounding my own creams because for sure I can't afford fair and flawless! $500 for a four ounce jar... nooo. Well that would explain the breakouts with fair and flawless... hmmmm

But imgorgeous... Mequinol... Pure Mequinol can make you really pale over a peirod of time can it not??

@ Partygod - I see the logic in your statements, But I beg to differ.

Mequinol is a depigmenting agent, but a relatively weaker one. It does come as a surprise because you speak of 10 per cent . But I have friends using 25 per cent Mequinol and someone known to me in PERSON is using 20 per cent home concocted mequinol, and it has not done anything to lighten him yet!

As for fair and flawless, it is NO HIDDEN SECRET that these products are MORE than just sepiwhite. They may contain sepiwhite but the reason that people tend to see lightening in a WEEK with such products like Bio Claire, Fair and Flawless, and Tonique is only because they are laden and full of steroidal based products.

It is a fact, and these are usually seen high on the list of STAY away from lightening products.

Obviously, if you use steroids you are BOUND to see lightening soon . Forget a week. I wouldnt be surprised if you saw a change in a night.

Mequinol cannot and will not depig in a week. When people struggle with a much stronger depigmentor like Monobenzone for weeks and months to see changes, its not logical to think that Mequinol can do it in a week .

It possibly can smoothen and lighten scars etc. and even remove melasma in a week or two but you will never see lightening in that much time.

Agree Mequinol is much weaker depigementing agent than mono, if people using monobenzone can't see anything in a week how do Mequinol show that in a week?
I don't doubt the posters who may be seen some lightening , I just don't get how it can work so fast. So many people are jumping on the Mequinol wagon if they want to depigment then they can try but for lightening purpose there are just not enough information about it. There are few studies about Solagé for the treatment of solar lentigines which mainly 2-4% and even in these studies Mequinol produced hypopigmentation.

Mequinol also known to work as mono producing confetti like patches, it is not seen as fast as it is weaker depigementing agent. Even it is depigemnting ability is not tested very much a part from one study at 20%which has been used successfully to depigment people with vitiligo universalis Onset of depigmentation was between 4 and 12 months.

He may look gray, but he still looks a lot better. He was quite unattractive in the face earlier. And thats my honest opinion.

Lol how is he better? The weird contact lenses or the uneven skin colour ? He looked much better before in my opinion.

@ sara - I think he looks better now... grrrrrrrrr... my opinion is strictly mine.

I think he looked quite demonic earlier. He may look so to some even now, but I think he is more attractive with his lighter complexion. However, his dirty lenses can take a break!

Agree Mequinol is much weaker depigementing agent than mono, if people using monobenzone can’t see anything in a week how do Mequinol show that in a week??
I don’t doubt the posters who may be seen some lightening , I just don’t get how it can work so fast. So many people are jumping on the Mequinol wagon if they want to depigment then they can try but for lightening purpose there are just not enough information about it. There are few studies about Solagé for the treatment of solar lentigines which mainly 2-4% and even in these studies Mequinol produced hypopigmentation.

Mequinol also known to work as mono producing confetti like patches, it is not seen as fast as it is weaker depigementing agent. Even it is depigemnting ability is not tested very much a part from one study at 20%which has been used successfully to depigment people with vitiligo universalis Onset of depigmentation was between 4 and 12 months.

I know about a handful of people who have been using MQ for months and they have not received patches like MONO... I am ordering my MQ powder soon to make my own cream I will be sure to let you all know if I start patching up!

Also I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY... FAIR AND FLAWLESS DOES NOT CONTAIN STEROIDS! That's A DISPROVEN RUMOR! ITS BEEN TESTED BY AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER ON ANOTHER FORM WHO CONFIRMED THAT FAIR AND FLAWLESS HAD EVERYTHING AND ONLY EVERYTHING ON THE INGREDIENTS LIST!

And I don't think the stuff at goldpharma does either! I can't wait until I get me MQ so I can make my cream and start seeing results you guys can't just go around making assumptions and tarnishing the reptuations of perfectly legitimate companies... everyone's skin is different... some people see results very soon... for others it takes longer and some people see nothing...

If you guys don't believe me just buy the product and have it sent to a chemistry lab for testing... its not that expensive.. some of them will even do it for free depending... they're only looking for one thing it won't take very long to prove that there're steroids in the creams if there REALLY ARE STEROIDS IN THOSE CREAMS... AND THERE ARE NOT!

And PS: I LOVE SAMMY SOSA'S COLOR NOW HE LOOKS WAY BETTER HANDS DOWN!

Agree Mequinol is much weaker depigementing agent than mono, if people using monobenzone can’t see anything in a week how do Mequinol show that in a week??
I don’t doubt the posters who may be seen some lightening , I just don’t get how it can work so fast. So many people are jumping on the Mequinol wagon if they want to depigment then they can try but for lightening purpose there are just not enough information about it. There are few studies about Solagé for the treatment of solar lentigines which mainly 2-4% and even in these studies Mequinol produced hypopigmentation.

Mequinol also known to work as mono producing confetti like patches, it is not seen as fast as it is weaker depigementing agent. Even it is depigemnting ability is not tested very much a part from one study at 20%which has been used successfully to depigment people with vitiligo universalis Onset of depigmentation was between 4 and 12 months.

Well that makes sense... my friend who is using MQ told me you do take about a year to become really really pale! In about 6 months you see a significat difference! For some reason MQ works better with Retin A

Agree Mequinol is much weaker depigementing agent than mono, if people using monobenzone can't see anything in a week how do Mequinol show that in a week?
I don't doubt the posters who may be seen some lightening , I just don't get how it can work so fast. So many people are jumping on the Mequinol wagon if they want to depigment then they can try but for lightening purpose there are just not enough information about it.
You know Sara I haven't seen people on the board saying they saw lightening in a week.
I believe that in the first stage the lightening I saw on my lips came in like 2 weeks and the skin on the lips(like 1shade) isn't the same as the rest of the face.
And on my face I didn't even lightened 1 shade after like 3.5 weeks.It isn't instant lightening like bio claire(lol) but I can say it is working cause is really see my undertones getting lighter so I know that when I will continue the peeling process(retin a) it will reveal lighter skin.
I'm not in a hurry anymore cause I really believe that this stuff works but very slowly which is fine cause I'm willing to wait.
However I'm still a newbie in this mequinol wagon so I don't advice people to use it until I'm sure about the result.

I know about a handful of people who have been using MQ for months and they have not recived patches like MONO.....I am ordering my MQ powder soon to make my own cream I will be sure to let you all know if I start patching up! Also I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY....FAIR AND FLAWLESS DOES NOT CONTAIN STEROIDS! THATS A DISPROVEN RUMOR! ITS BEEN TESTED BY AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER ON ANOTHER FORM WHO CONFIRMED THAT FAIR AND FLAWLESS HAD EVERYTHING AND ONLY EVERYTHING ON THE INGREDIENTS LIST! and I dont think the stuff at goldpharma does either! i can't wait until I get me MQ so I can make my cream and start seeing results you guys can't just go around making assumptions and tarnishing the reptuations of perfectly legitimate companies...everyone's skin is different...some people see results very soon...for others it takes longer and some people see nothing...If you guys dont believe me just buy the product and have it sent to a chemistry lab for testing...its not that expensive..some of them will even do it for free depending... they're only looking for one thing it wont take very long to prove that there're steroids in the creams if there REALLY ARE STEROIDS IN THOSE CREAMS....AND THERE ARE NOT! and PS: I LOVE SAMMY SOSA'S COLOR NOW HE LOOKS WAY BETTER HANDS DOWN!

Oh don't pay attention to what imgorgeous says about certain products!
Everyone knows F&F is safe, the other brand questionable and Bio Claire has always been on our "do not use list".

Common sense should tell you stick to posting your own experiences with products and don't make any nonfactual claims you can't prove. If you're unsure about something, contact the company to see if they can provide you with factual information.

Remember this is coming from the same guy who freaked out over maybe getting arrested over his package getting stuck at the post office, some mysterious powered substance he purchased from China:p
Who knows what the heck he got himself into!

I have not used MQ... but I'm buying some this week...

I think somepeople claim lightening in one week because they confuse just brightening or any imporvement for lightening... also with any peeling agent the first couple of layers that come off reveal a much newer and brighter skin than before. Sometimes even up tp 2 sahdes different.. and for a few days the look is very fresh and dramatic... I'll admit that when I first used HQ4 and RA I saw a baeutiful new skin underenath very quick;ly and was even worried about becoming too light too fast... well now I think it all balanced out and now I feel like it really didn't do too much... but I can swear and even certain photos really did reveal a very different pinky skin that isn't there anymore very quickly...

And of course it cures baldness, improves your grade point average and makes you taller.

And of course it has to be legal to buy and sell ?

I know about a handful of people who have been using MQ for months and they have not recived patches like MONO.....I am ordering my MQ powder soon to make my own cream I will be sure to let you all know if I start patching up!

Also I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY....FAIR AND FLAWLESS DOES NOT CONTAIN STEROIDS! THATS A DISPROVEN RUMOR! ITS BEEN TESTED BY AN INDIVIDUAL MEMBER ON ANOTHER FORM WHO CONFIRMED THAT FAIR AND FLAWLESS HAD EVERYTHING AND ONLY EVERYTHING ON THE INGREDIENTS LIST!

and I dont think the stuff at goldpharma does either! i can't wait until I get me MQ so I can make my cream and start seeing results you guys can't just go around making assumptions and tarnishing the reptuations of perfectly legitimate companies...everyone's skin is different...some people see results very soon...for others it takes longer and some people see nothing...

If you guys dont believe me just buy the product and have it sent to a chemistry lab for testing...its not that expensive..some of them will even do it for free depending... they're only looking for one thing it wont take very long to prove that there're steroids in the creams if there REALLY ARE STEROIDS IN THOSE CREAMS....AND THERE ARE NOT!

and PS: I LOVE SAMMY SOSA'S COLOR NOW HE LOOKS WAY BETTER HANDS DOWN!

First of all I didn't say anything about FAIR AND FLAWLESS, I don't know why you quoting me, I never used their stuff and don't know anything about them.

Secondly, regarding goldpharma nobody is trashing anyone we are just wondering how their stuff work so fast lol.

Thirdly, I will not test their products as I have no interest in doing so, my only warning about MQ in high strength will produce patches in the long run that is a fact, it is much much slower so it will not be seen very fast. If people understand the risks by all means they can try it.

Finally Sammy complexion I don't like it in MY OPINION, you like it? Good for you. ;)

You know Sara i haven't seen people on the board saying they saw lightening in a week.
I believe that in the first stage the lightening i saw on my lips came in like 2 weeks and the skin on the lips(like 1shade) isn't the same as the rest of the face.
And on my face i didn't even lightened 1 shade after like 3.5 weeks.It isn't instant lightening like bio claire(lol) but i can say it is working cause is really see my undertones getting lighter so i know that when i will continue the peeling process(retin a) it will reveal lighter skin.
I'm not in a hurry anymore cause i really believe that this stuff works but very slowly which is fine cause i'm willing to wait.
However i'm still a newbie in this mequinol wagon so i don't advice people to use it until i'm sure about the result.

Did you apply to your lip? Didn’t sting? Or was it systematic? My lips also got lighter very fast, I didn’t apply there but around the lip.
I wish you all the best mistyjane.

Well that makes sence....my friend who is using MQ told me you do take about a year to become really really pale! in about 6 months you see a significat difference! for some reason MQ works better with Retin A

I am not sure if you will be pale in a year with MQ, remember this study was done for vitiligo universalis, so their immune system is helping that process, that why I say that not much known about MQ. At least monobenzone was tested on people without vitiligo it is very strong drug that why it works, and people report patches after 2 month use.

Retin A can aid depigmentation with monobenzone, it was tested on black guinea pig skin, and showed results in just 10 days, so I am sure with MQ it will work wonders too.

Retinoic acid synergistically enhances the melanoc... [Exp Dermatol. 2006] - PubMed result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16761959)

Did you apply to your lip?? Didn’t sting? Or was it systematic? My lips also got lighter very fast, I didn’t apply there but around the lip.
I wish you all the best mistyjane.

Yes I apply to my lips and no it didn't sting.
But what is great is that my lips never lightened fast before.
I also wish you the best MISS uk :)

First of all I didn’t say anything about FAIR AND FLAWLESS, I don’t know why you quoting me, I never used their stuff and don’t know anything about them.

Secondly, regarding goldpharma nobody is trashing anyone we are just wondering how their stuff work so fast lol.

Thirdly, I will not test their products as I have no interest in doing so, my only warning about MQ in high strength will produce patches in the long run that is a fact, it is much much slower so it will not be seen very fast. If people understand the risks by all means they can go ahead and try it.

Finally Sammy complexion I don’t like it in MY OPINION, you like it?? good for you. ;)


I quoted you for MQ... but about fair and flawless I was addressing imgorgeous... sorry about that!

Who on earth told you MQ will produce patches in high strength... that is very false information! PEOPLE WHO Don't HAVE VITILIGO USE 10% AND 20% AND 25%... I know people who have been using this stuff for almost 4 years! They've gotten VERRY VERYY PALE and no they never got spots like mono...

You're just making asspumtions! I know people who work at pharmaceutical companies and people who are studying to be pharmacists and they all vouch for Mequinol... mequinol is NOT LIKE MONO! Mono lives spots in dark skinned heavily pigmented individuals... which are typically darkskinned blacks, latinos, Indians and Asians! People who are already light skinned can use mono and expect very little unsightly and disfiguring effects however for darker skinned individuals mono does not work properly!

Mequinol's make up is different. UNLIKE HQ And MONO IT DOES NOT DESTROY THE PIGMENT(Tyrosinase) BUT BINDS IT! That's why tanning is still possible!

I'm unsure whether skin depigmenting can be permanent over a prolonged period of use or not. But one thing I can say is MQ is NOT LIKE MONO... get your facts right and stop misinforming people!

I ordered my tubes of MQ from goldpharma and I can't WAIT!


NOTE: ANY LIGHTENING AGENT YOU'RE USING WORKS WAAAAAAAAY BETTER WHEN USED WITH RETIN A (tretinoin).

Wow!

oh don't pay attention to what imgorgeous says about certain products!
Everyone knows f&f is safe, the other brand questionable and bio claire has always been on our "do not use list".

Common sense should tell you stick to posting your own experiences with products and don't make any nonfactual claims you can't prove. If you're unsure about something, contact the company to see if they can provide you with factual information.

Remember this is coming from the same guy who freaked out over maybe getting arrested over his package getting stuck at the post office, some mysterious powered substance he purchased from china:p
who knows what the heck he got himself into!!

Lmao!!

I quoted you for MQ....but about fair and flawless I was addressing imgorgeous...sorry about that!

Who on earth told you MQ will produce patches in high stregth...that is very false information! PEOPLE WHO DONT HAVE VITILIGO USE 10% AND 20% AND 25%....I know people who have been using this stuff for almost 4 years! they've gotten VERRY VERYY PALE and no they never got spots like mono...
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Studies told me that. It works like mono at slower rate, in the link below page 402 it talks about the confetti like hypopigmentation similar to the one produced by mono.
Textbook of cosmetic dermatology - Google Books (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Fdel-qs6f_QC&pg=PA402&lpg=PA402&dq=The+monomethyl+ether+of+Hydroquinone+is+preferr ed+in+europe+and+africa&source=bl&ots=29Ki9JRATV&sig=8MG-7IP0U_NgiYYpJmooprvfenA&hl=en&ei=XezFS-DRMIfF-Qbz8-TzDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20monomethyl%20ether%20of%20Hydroquinone%20i s%20preferred%20in%20europe%20and%20africa&f=false)
Show me one study that says it is safe to use in high percent , not hear say please.


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you're just making asspumtions! i know people who work at pharmaceutical companies and people who are studying to be pharmacists and they all vouch for Mequinol....mequinol is NOT LIKE MONO!!
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Lol you know people who work in pharmaceutical company? I work in one, and please scientist don't know much about it anyway as there is no clinical study for it been used in higher strength for over all lightening. I doubt your friends will know more.


! mono lives spots in dark skinned heavily pigmented individuals....which are typically darkskinned blacks, latinos, Indians and Asians! people who are already light skinned can use mono and expect very little unsightly and disfiguring effects however for darker skinned individuals mono does not work properly! !
Lets not turn it mono against MQ, I am not here to prove that mono does work, at least there is much more known about it, and yes it has been studied on people without vitiligo on black skin. Every body researched mono well, will know you will get patchy, no matter what strength and were you apply it.




Mequinol's make up is different. UNLIKE HQ AND AND MONO IT DOES NOT DESTROY THE PIGMENT(Tyrosinase) BUT BINDS IT! thats why tanning is still possible!

I'm unsure whether skin depigmenting can be permanent over a prolonged period of use or not. but one thing I can say is MQ is NOT LIKE MONO ....get your facts right and stop misinforming people!



''Mequinol (hydroquinone monomethyl ether, 4-hydroxyanisole, para-hydroxymethoxybenzene), another derivative of hydroquinone, is enzymatically oxidized by tyrosinase to produce melanocytotoxic quinones. The formation of quinones results in pigment cell destruction and skin depigmentation.''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769151/pdf/ijms-10-04066.pdf




I'm unsure whether skin depigmenting can be permanent over a prolonged period of use or not. but one thing I can say is MQ is NOT LIKE MONO ....get your facts right and stop misinforming people!
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Can you please just provide me one link to a study that says it is not like mono? The action of MQ is not fully understood. It has been approved for the treatment of solar lentigines at much lower strength than what you are advising people is safe to use. Even on those 2% use, Hypopigmentation was observed
Safety and efficacy of combined use of 4-hydroxyan... [Cutis. 2004] - PubMed result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15551721)





I ordered my tubes of MQ from goldpharma and I can't WAIT!


Good for you ;)



NOTE: ANY LIGHTENING AGENT YOU'RE USING WORKS WAAAAAAAAY BETTER WHEN USED WITH RETIN A (tretinoin).

wow!
Yeah Retin a is great ;)

@ partygod - are you on coke? Is the fair and flawless person your friend ?

There is NO PRODUCT in this world which is unproven and still can lighten your skin unless it contains steroids.

Even Fruit juices, when the bottles say NO PRESERVATIVES, it doesn't mean there is no preservatives at all!

There actually are ! Because fruit juice will get spoiled quickly if there is no preservative.

Similarly, most lightening products , have mercury or steroids to lighten your skin. If you actually believe that Fair and flawless only has the listed ingredients you are DREAMING !

@ partygod - are you on coke? is the fair and flawless person your friend ?

there is NO PRODUCT in this world which is unproven and still can lighten your skin unless it contains steroids.

Even Fruit juices, when the bottles say NO PRESERVATIVES, it doesnt mean there is no preservatives at all!

There actually are ! Because fruit juice will get spoiled quickly if there is no preservative.

Similarly, most lightening products , have mercury or steroids to lighten your skin. If you actually believe that Fair and flawless only has the listed ingredients you are DREAMING !

NO... I Believe that fair and flawless contains other ingredients that are not posted on the ingredient list... for sure they do have ingredients that they are not telling people about... because some of my friends tried making a cream of their own by using the stuff at "makingcosmetics.com" they used all the lightening agents fair and flawless posted in their ingredents list and they did not get the same results that the fair and flawless cream gave... NOT EVEN CLOSE...

BUT AT THE SAME TIME ITS SOMETHING ELSE BUT NOT STEROIDS!! A FRIEND OF MINE HAD THE CREAM TESTED!! THE RESULTS PROVED NEGATIVE FOR STEROIDS! AND NEGATIVE FOR MERCURY! SO MAYBE THEY HAVE A BIT OF MQ OR HQ IN THERE OR Something... BUT NOT STEROIDS!

And I can't wait to prove that MQ is a good skin lightener! I know people who know people who have been using it for 4 years and they are fine! Also there are NO REPORTS OF SPOTTING OR ANY TYPE OF SKIN DISFIGURATION CAUSED BY MEQUINOL!

NO....i Believe that fair and flawless contains other ingredients that are not posted on the ingredient list...for sure they do have ingredients that they are not telling people about...because some of my friends tried making a cream of their own by using the stuff at "makingcosmetics.com" they used all the lightening agents fair and flawless posted in their ingredents list and they did not get the same results that the fair and flawless cream gave...NOT EVEN CLOSE....BUT AT THE SAME TIME ITS SOMETHING ELSE BUT NOT STEROIDS!!!!!! A FRIEND OF MINE HAD THE CREAM TESTED!!! THE RESULTS PROVED NEGATIVE FOR STEROIDS! AND NEGATIVE FOR MERCURY! SO MAYBE THEY HAVE A BIT OF MQ OR HQ IN THERE OR SOME THING.....BUT NOT STEROIDS! and I can't wait to prove that MQ is a good skin lightener! I know people who know people who have been using it for 4 years and they are fine! also there are NO REPORTS OF SPOTTING OR ANY TYPE OF SKIN DISFIGURATION CAUSED BY MEQUINOL!

I liken it to cooking!
You can hand an amateur cook ingredients to make a cake and hand those same ingredients to a Master Chef and well... you get the picture!

Yeah I know who your "friends" are and they in fact did not purchase every ingredient listed on the jar because makingcosmetics does not have every ingredient listed to make an F&F product.

And even if you could purchase all of the ingredients, you would have to know the precise percentage of each ingredient in order for it to come out right, just like a cake:D

So I am going to have to disagree with you on there being hidden ingredients based on the fact that your friends were not able to duplicate it.

There is a BIG difference between a home mixer and a professional formulator, if there wasn't I'd have made Gallons of the 5xf gel, Gallons! Lol

I liken it to cooking!!
You can hand an amateur cook ingredients to make a cake and hand those same ingredients to a Master Chef and well.....you get the picture!!

Yeah I know who your "friends" are and they in fact did not purchase every ingredient listed on the jar because makingcosmetics does not have every ingredient listed to make an F&F product.

And even if you could purchase all of the ingredients, you would have to know the precise percentage of each ingredient in order for it to come out right, just like a cake:D

So I am going to have to disagree with you on there being hidden ingredients based on the fact that your friends were not able to duplicate it.

There is a BIG difference between a home mixer and a professional formulator, if there wasn't I'd have made Gallons of the 5xf gel, Gallons!! lol

Um I don't understand you mean by "i know who your "friends" are." nikkicute... but I'm going to tell you this... I know fair and flawless does not contain steroids... but there is something else in their products that they are not listing on their ingredients LIST!! If sepiwhite, kojic acid, and alpha abutin work so well together to lighten the skin then a duplicate however "amateur" it may be is suppose to do the same thing!
And I don't even know why Fair and flawless sells their products at such a high price when these creams are not that expensive to make! Its ridiculous!
Formulating a cream using the chemicals from makingcosmetics.com is not that hard. They explain everything and list the steps and directions very well! They sell all the necessary equipment needed to carry out the birth of one's home made cream! You as an individual even have the option of adding more or HIGHER PERCENTAGES OF THE SKIN LIGHTENING INGREDIENTS AND THERE FOR INCREASING YOUR SKIN LIGHTENING ABILITIES!

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!

The chemicals at makingcosmetics.com are very legit! They sell every thing from the Emollients to preserve your cream, to the Liposomes to ensure penetration and the exfoliants!

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ME TO SWALLOW THIS HORSE RADISH! THERE IS NO REASON WHY SOMEONE CANNOT DUPLICATE THE CREAMS AT FAIR AND FLAWLESS AND COME OUT WITH THE SAME RESULTS!

UNLESS!! LIKE I SAID EARLIER!! THAT FAIR AND FLAWLESS ARE USING INGREDIENTS THAT THEY ARE NOT LISTING IN THEIR INGREDIENTS GROUP!

I AM NOT SUGGESTING STEROIDS! BUT THEY ARE USING OTHER INGREDIENTS!!

PLEASE!!

Another thing... sepiwhite is not 20times stronger than HQ... and it cannot give the effects that I'm seeing with F&F... Fair and flawless is good company... their products are good and they work! BUT I WOULD BET MY LIFE THAT THE INGREDIENTS LISTED IN THEIR INGREDIENTS GROUP ARE NOT ALL THE INGREDENTS IN THEIR PRODUCTS!

um I don't understand you mean by "i know who your "friends" are." nikkicute...but I'm gonna tell you this....I know fair and flawless does not contain steroids...but there is something else in their products that they are not listing on their ingredients LIST!!!!! if sepiwhite, kojic acid, and alpha abutin work so well together to lighten the skin then a duplicate however "amateur" it may be is suppose to do the same thing!
And I don't even know why Fair and flawless sells their products at such a high price when these creams are not that expensive to make! its ridiculous!
formulating a cream using the chemicals from makingcosmetics.com is not that hard. they explain everything and list the steps and directions very well! they sell all the necessary equipment needed to carry out the birth of one's home made cream! you as an individual even have the option of adding more or HIGHER PERCENTAGES OF THE SKIN LIGHTENING INGREDIENTS AND THERE FOR INCREASING YOUR SKIN LIGHTENING ABILITIES! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! The chemicals at makingcosmetics.com are very legit! they sell every thing from the Emollients to preserve your cream, to the Liposomes to ensure penetration and the exfoliants! YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ME TO SWALLOW THIS HORSE RADISH! THERE IS NO REASON WHY SOMEONE CANNOT DUPLICATE THE CREAMS AT FAIR AND FLAWLESS AND COME OUT WITH THE SAME RESULTS! UNLESS!!!!! LIKE I SAID EARLIER!!! THAT FAIR AND FLAWLESS ARE USING INGREDIENTS THAT THEY ARE NOT LISTING IN THEIR INGREDIENTS GROUP! I AM NOT SUGGESTING STEROIDS! BUT THEY ARE USING OTHER INGREDIENTS!!!!!!
PLEASE!!!

No need to swear! Let's calm down now.:)
I see the seed that imgorgeous has planted in your head has fully bloomed.

First things first, there is nothing in my post that stated makingcosmetics ingredients were in any way not legit, I'm sure their ingredients are just fine.
And you don't have to tell me twice about the products NOT containing steroids, no way!

What I am simply disagreeing with you about there being hidden ingredients in F&F products. I find them to be a very honest company with all ingredients listed along with patent numbers. I just think people are not used to a good quality product.

For instance with the 5xf gel, they have managed to combine exfoliating ingredients along with lightening ingredients and that for me is the reason I think it worked a lot quicker than other lightening products I have used in the past! Along with sepi-white, which is a rather new lightening ingredient in it's self. Exfoliating is the key to faster lightening!

As far as duplicating their products at home I simply don't think it can be done! Not exactly anyway and the home cream will certainly not be up to the high standard of the Flawless cream. You think there is no reason why someone can and my cake analogy is a good example of why someone can't along with the fact that you don't have precise percentage of each ingredient to make a good cream that actually works.

There is another brand who tried to duplicate the Flawless creams and gels and they do have some of the same ingredients but it simply does not work!

But hey, good luck to you if you want to try and give it a go!
Oh by the way which one of their creams are you trying to make for your skin lightening?

No need to swear! Let's calm down now.:)
I see the seed that imgorgeous has planted in your head has fully bloomed.

First things first, there is nothing in my post that stated makingcosmetics ingredients were in any way not legit, I'm sure their ingredients are just fine.
And you don't have to tell me twice about the products NOT containing steroids, no way!

What I am simply disagreeing with you about there being hidden ingredients in F&F products. I find them to be a very honest company with all ingredients listed along with patent numbers. I just think people are not used to a good quality product.

For instance with the 5xf gel, they have managed to combine exfoliating ingredients along with lightening ingredients and that for me is the reason I think it worked a lot quicker than other lightening products I have used in the past! Along with sepi-white, which is a rather new lightening ingredient in it's self. Exfoliating is the key to faster lightening!

As far as duplicating their products at home I simply don't think it can be done! Not exactly anyway and the home cream will certainly not be up to the high standard of the Flawless cream. You think there is no reason why someone can and my cake analogy is a good example of why someone can't along with the fact that you don't have precise percentage of each ingredient to make a good cream that actually works.

There is another brand who tried to duplicate the Flawless creams and gels and they do have some of the same ingredients but it simply does not work!

But hey, good luck to you if you want to try and give it a go!
Oh by the way which one of their creams are you trying to make for your skin lightening?

I don't understand why imgorgeous's seed is blooming in my head when I disagree with imgorgeous completely!
The other brand which tried to duplicate the fair and flawless cream failed for a reason! They didn't have the unlisted INGREDIENT(S)!

Everything... Every ingredient which serves a legitimate purpose in the fair and flawless cream is available at making cosmetics! Some of the perservatives may be different! The coloring maybe altered due to the different chemicals(which serve the same purpose as other chemicals). But the results should be ALMOST PARALLEL!

The equipment at making cosmetics IS AVILALBLE FOR ONE TO HAVE THE "precise percentage of each ingredient to make a good cream that actually works." even if it's a little off balance it's said on makingcosmetics the individual should only experince some irritation or rash!

There is a mystery ingredent in the F&F line... again this may not necessarily be a bad thing... but I am very sure that we as consumers do not know everything that is going into those CREAMS!

I have always wanted to try F&F but constantly receive mixed reviews.

partygod, so what ingredients are you using?:)

I don't understand why imgorgeous's seed is blooming in my head when I disagree with imgorgeous completely!
The other brand which tried to duplicate the fair and flawless cream failed for a reason! they didn't have the unlisted INGREDIENT(S)!
Everything...Every ingredient which serves a legitimate purpose in the fair and flawless cream is available at making cosmetics! some of the perservatives may be different! the coloring maybe altered due to the different chemicals(which serve the exact same purpose as other chemicals). But the results should be ALMOST PARALLEL!
the equipment at making cosmetics IS AVILALBLE FOR ONE TO HAVE THE "precise percentage of each ingredient to make a good cream that actually works." even if its a little off balance it's said on makingcosmetics the individual should only experince some irritation or rash!
There is a mystery ingredent in the F&F line....again this may not necessarily be a bad thing....but I am very sure that we as consumers do not know everything that is going into those CREAMS!

No, he's the one who started this hidden ingredient nonsense!
I told you not to pay attention to the dude with his own hidden ingredient stuck at the post office:p

He actually thinks a product that lightens the skin HAS to contain steroids in order to work!:eek: And the guy has no experience using F&F or any good quality product as far as I know, so why let that seed of "hidden ingredient" take hold of you? So you didn't disagree with imgorgeous completely.

You said the products didn't contain steroids he turned around and asked you if you were on coke? Lol... weird!! You think someone with that kind of thinking is ever going to reach their goal of a lighter complexion? I told him to be careful because he could damage his skin with what he is using.

There is no mystery ingredient, the ingredients listed on the jar are good enough.

PartyGod -

Firstly there are currently no ingredients which fair and flawless lists which are effective lighteners.

Secondly, there are lots of steroids that are constantly in the making that take time to be identified. What do you think athletes use? They tend to get onto steroids that are not identified. Then things catch up and they get identified. Continuously various forms of steroids are created that CAN GO UNDETECTED.

Now there are not many ingredients that cause significant lightening apart from proven ones. If there were they would be all over the net.


Secondly, Kindly stop this I KNOW A FRIEND WHO KNOWS FRIENDS who use MEQUINOL for four years.

The question is do YOU know this person who uses Mequinol for FOUR years and has not patched up?
If you HONESTLY do, then I will believe you. Do not just state some crap just to make your POINT believable.

For your kindest information I have been using Mequinol for the last few weeks and I have already started seeing WHITE SPOTS on my neck. So Please ! Don't make claims if YOU or someone YOU PERSONALLY KNOW is not using it!


This HALF BAKED NEWS is truly annoying! You are instigating people to use Mequinol while you simply sit there and wait for what people have to say.

If you are SERIOUSLY as smart as you think you are, start using it immediately and let me know how pale you turn.

And besides IF YOU DO KNOW SO MUCH , why hassle people on this forum? Go use it and have fun.

@ Nikki - Wow! You are ONE STAUNCH lover of Fair and Flawless. I am unable to understand why!

You actually have pitted against me to prove Fair and Flawless as an authentic product ? Perhaps it is, but now I am beginning to believe what others have stated that you may have an agenda with Fair and Flawless.

There is NO LIGHTENING CREAM IN THIS WORLD which unless lists all its ingredients can be genuine and NATURAL.

If its hiding ,that's because there is something fishy!


Fair and Flawless and Tonique are BOTH FISHY products!

@ nikki cute -

Whoa! You sound so freaky Miss Nikki ! First you message me , speak nicely and now you do a complete turnaround and attack me because I said something negative about your favourite product Fair and Flawless?

And who told you that it cannot have a steroid ? Do you know how steroids and other enhancing drugs are created regularly and go unidentified for long periods ?

Don't mess with me Nikkicute for no reason. You silly woman. There is absolutely no reason for you to state things so personally about which product I purchase gets stuck where just to prove your FANTASTIC FAIR AND FRICKED UP is authentic!

@ partygod - if a friend of yours tested Fair and Flawless, can we please know your friends nick name ?

So you think everyone you make friends with on a lightening forum are OH SO GENUINE they will never stab you in the back to SELL A PRODUCT ?

Even if that friend IS GENUINE, like I mentioned earlier there are unidentified steroids in process all the time!

First you need to authenticate your so called friends. And stop believing every friend who you have never even seen a pic possibly of, WHO HAS FRIENDS WHO KNOW THEIR FRIENDS whose FATHERS use this and that and it got them PALE!

First hand experience is the best. And if its truly a friend, I am guessing you at least have seen these dependable friends before and after pics ?

Freaky Miss Nikki lol hey that kind of has a ring to it!
Staunch lover of Fair and Flawless? Yep, guilty as charged:D

Your really unable to understand why? It's because I have used their products with great success for years and you have no experience with the products yet claim they are laden and full of steroids, which is a flat out lie!! And if they are where is your proof? You also stated they are usually seen high on the list of stay away lightening products which is also not true. Of all the products you listed hands down Bio Claire is on top of the "do not use" list.

I posted before stick to posting your own experiences with products and don't make any nonfactual claims you can't prove. My experience with their products that have worked in a week or less has been with the 5xf gel (about a week and 1/2) and their Se Quiiso teal body cream (used on the face started seeing lightening in 6 days). You posted yourself first hand experience is the best
and that's exacltly what I am giving you. Sorry if I offended you, facts seem to do that with people.

Calm down I have not have pitted against you or attacked you, I have simply stated facts. If your beginning to believe what others have stated about some agenda I may have with Fair and Flawless, you'll believe anything!

Your right I am a silly women and you know I like you and your still my buddy! But the post office thing was kind of funny! :p

I think his friends nick name is none other than your best friend LightenNLift.

Oh FFS already.

If I see that quote from another site ONE MORE TIME, I will spank the person who puts it up.

We've ALL seen it.

It has nothing to do with THIS site.

No rules have been broken here.

Are you all understanding this?

I don't want to see it again.

PartyGod -

Firstly there are currently no ingredients which fair and flawless lists which are effective lighteners.

Secondly, there are lots of steroids that are constantly in the making that take time to be identified. What do you think athletes use? They tend to get onto steroids that are not identified. Then things catch up and they get identified. Continuously various forms of steroids are created that CAN GO UNDETECTED.

Now there are not many ingredients that cause significant lightening apart from proven ones. If there were they would be all over the net.


Secondly, Kindly stop this I KNOW A FRIEND WHO KNOWS FRIENDS who use MEQUINOL for four years.

the question is do YOU know this person who uses Mequinol for FOUR years and has not patched up?
If you HONESTLY do, then I will believe you. Do not just state some crap just to make your POINT believable.

For your kindest information I have been using Mequinol for the last few weeks and I have already started seeing WHITE SPOTS on my neck. So Please ! Dont make claims if YOU or someone YOU PERSONALLY KNOW is not using it!


This HALF BAKED NEWS is truly annoying! You are instigating people to use Mequinol while you simply sit there and wait for what people have to say.

If you are SERIOUSLY as smart as you think you are, start using it immediately and let me know how pale you turn.

And besides IF YOU DO KNOW SO MUCH , why hassle people on this forum? Go use it and have fun.

Where did you get your MQ from?

@ partygod - if a friend of yours tested Fair and Flawless, can we please know your friends nick name ?

So you think everyone you make friends with on a lightening forum are OH SO GENUINE they will never stab you in the back to SELL A PRODUCT ?

even if that friend IS GENUINE, like I mentioned earlier there are unidentified steroids in process all the time!

First you need to authenticate your so called friends. And stop believing every friend who you have never even seen a pic possibly of, WHO HAS FRIENDS WHO KNOW THEIR FRIENDS whose FATHERS use this and that and it got them PALE!

First hand experience is the best. And if its truly a friend, I am guessing you atleast have seen these dependable friends before and after pics ?

Um this is just a F***ing waste of time... do whatever you want... you're right... I'm not going to waste my time anymore... and that MQ you're using I don't know where you got it from...

Freaky Miss Nikki lol hey that kind of has a ring to it!!
Staunch lover of Fair and Flawless? Yep, guilty as charged:D

Your really unable to understand why? It's because I have used their products with great success for years and you have no experience with the products yet claim they are laden and full of steroids, which is a flat out lie!!! And if they are where is your proof? You also stated they are usually seen high on the list of stay away lightening products which is also not true. Of all the products you listed hands down Bio Claire is on top of the "do not use" list.

I posted before stick to posting your own experiences with products and don't make any nonfactual claims you can't prove. My experience with their products that have worked in a week or less has been with the 5xf gel (about a week and 1/2) and their Se Quiiso teal body cream (used on the face started seeing lightening in 6 days). You posted yourself first hand experience is the best
and that's exacltly what I am giving you. Sorry if I offended you, facts seem to do that with people.

Calm down I have not have pitted against you or attacked you, I have simply stated facts. If your beginning to believe what others have stated about some agenda I may have with Fair and Flawless, you'll believe anything!

Your right I am a silly women and you know I like you and your still my buddy!! But the post office thing was kind of funny!!:p

I think his friends nick name is none other than your best friend LightenNLift.

Wow... fair and flawless should really think about paying you...

For the record people... please don't listen to imgorgeous... and nikkicute has a fetish were fair and flawless is concerned! Not that F&F isn't good... but good lord...

wow......fair and flawless should really think about paying you...

:confused: I like their products because they work very well for me.
So have you started mixing your home skinlightening brew yet?

As for NIKKICUTE - Hmm , you continue sounding genuine to me at times. However, your obsession with Fair and Flawless is unhealthy.
Be it legal products like Fair and Lovely, or any other fairness cream. They contain mini amounts of Mercury, steroids etc.
FAIR AND FLAWLESS is a SOLELY COSMETIC PRODUCT that ALSO CONTAINS some FISHY INGREDIENT!100 per cent!
There is nothing in the WORLD that can LIGHTEN YOU IN a WEEK ..
Your Fair and Ficked up 5 into 5 Crap is a totally contaminated product.
Anyway, I will continue being nice to you because you seemed a pretty nice person before you started this Fair and Ficked up thingie!


I didn't start any F&F thingie here can you please be ADULT about this?
I simply stated a FACT, you have no experience with the products!!
I was quoting YOU when YOU posted first hand experience is the best .
YOU have NO first hand experience with the products!

I posted before stick to posting your own experiences with products and don't make any nonfactual claims you can't prove.
Since I have used many of their products I have every right to disagree with your statements of the products containing dangerous ingredients. That is all I am doing is disagreeing since between me and you I am the only one who has used them and if you think my right to disagree with false claims about the products is an obsession so be it!

99% of the people who speak the worse about these products are the same ones who have NEVER even tried them. If you have not tried them, not purchase them or used them or have no interest in them whatsoever DON'T TALK BAD ABOUT THEM! Pretty simple huh? How would you like it someone talked bad about you and they didn't even know you?

I consider myself a very nice and genuine person and if I have to agree with you all times in order for you to continue to think of me that way than forget it because it's not going to happen! We are not going to agree on everything all the time! I disagreed with you but my opinion of you didn't not change but your opinion of me did. I can live with that because I know who I am.


ANY COSMETIC PRODUCT that is SOLD FOR SOLELY COSMETIC PURPOSES usually has some fishy ingredients in certain quantities

That doesn't make any sense to me! You just named every make-up product, every skin care line and hair care product and all other products in between that is suppose to enhance our looks, all of them have fishy ingredients:confused:

Where are your facts?

You post that products made specifically for cosmetics have a high probability of illegal substances---show me documentation for that. I want links to reliable sources, or the source information for the valid medical journal you used.

What? Don't have them? Then how about not making claims you can't back up?

I saw your line about bickering in your posts as well. Feel free to continue to do so, and I'll feel free to give you an infraction for not following the TOS. There is absolutely ZERO reason why you cannot post in a professional, adult manner that treats other people with respect.

And if you can't get THAT idea through your head, then I'll be happy to make sure you can't post at all.

Um where did my post go?

Sure did remove your post!

You weren't playing nice, and I've specifically asked that people play nice here.

Putting information out there about products is great--as is putting information about what you and your friends have used.

Calling other members names and being generally rude and argumentative is NOT okay. So... your post was deleted.

Play nice or you can't play.