Hi I use Fair and Flawless a few year ago and it burn my skin badly overnight so I took a long break from skin lightening.
But I got the itch again to lighten. I feel so down when I'm next to someone whose skin looks so white and my skin is brown but I feel so dark around white or most spanish people.

What hydroquinone product and strength will lighten me from dark indian complexion (Im a bit darker than Shah ruk) to mediterrane or midle east looking? Is hydroquinone best for my indian skin or is there something more suitable? And will whitening pills work, which? Please help me thanks.

People have been having a lot of luck with 55H+ Chystalline...


Do you happen to be related to Golden_Girl? Lol!

Okay thanks I will look into it for a thread here. Who is Golden_Girl?
I tried sign up with GoldenBoy But it was taken.

Okay thanks I will look into it for a thread here. Who is Golden_Girl?
I tried sign up with GoldenBoy But it was taken.

Lol we have a Golden_Girl on this forum so I just wondered if there was a connection. Welcome:)

I thought the same! Golden_Boy, I am sure Golden_Girl will be saying her hello's soon!

LOL You guys are funny thanks for the laugh

I'd say Hydroquinone isn't the best solution for darker complexed Indian skin. It only breaks down current melanin, and won't prevent "outbreaks", if you happen to expose yourself to UV-rays including sunlight. Not only that, but you'd require over 2% for an entire body's worth of lightening, which many consider toxic and carcinogenic.

Only people who could really benefit from short-term use of Hydroquinone would be people who already have fair to very light skin, and happen to want to remove a tan or darker patches faster than usual.

Thanks, I was told same by someone else that back home in India, none of the whitening creams include Hydroquinone because it usually makes them darker. I wonder if Arbutin is better and what strength?

Arbutin is a tyrosinase inhibitor, so it may provide slower effects, but is considered semi-permanent. The average dilute is generally between 2% and 5%; anything higher is useless and may provide a bit of irritation.

So I have to keep applying it for life? How many days can I go without applying Arbutin before my normal dark brown skin tone comes back?

Technically no; it's possible for your body's natural tyrosine process to slow down or lower it's output. For best results however, you ought to continue the application at least once every 2-3 days in order to maintain the inhibition process.

A similar application for even monobenzone occurs, where the user has to use the solution in order to "maintain" an even tone or prevent any reactions from regular sun exposure.

Technically no; it's possible for your body's natural tyrosine process to slow down or lower it's output. For best results however, you ought to continue the application atleast once every 2-3 days in order to maintain the inhibition process.

A similar application for even monobenzone occurs, where the user has to use the solution in order to "maintain" an even tone or prevent any reactions from regular sun exposure.

Monobenzone?

I have never heard of someone using monobenzone without developing disastrous results after 1-2 years. I searched "monobenzone" on here, and all the accounts that reported success with monobenzone preliminary, either reported sheer disaster (disability to "maintain" an even tone) or disappeared forever.

Lol. For a second I thought Golden_Girl changed her screename. I was soooo confused. Lol. Welcome to the board. I'd stay away from the harsh chemicals though. Just my opinion.

Unless you're willing to take a risk with Monobenzone or understand exactly how to use it (or have medical supervision), it's best to stay away from it.

Unless you're willing to take a risk with Monobenzone or understand exactly how to use it (or have medical supervision), it's best to stay away from it.


If I can get some solod testimony from someone, ANYONE who has used Mono (other than MJ's spirit, RIP) that has used Mono of any strength for 6+ months, a year, or 2, or longer, I'm game.

Ideally I would like to use first Makari for a few months PLUS a few other key ingredients (especially a-Arbutin) to see how I can get light with that, but it seems like there's no choice to wait till approximately the 3rd week of October for it.

Monobenzone actually affects different people, skin types, and shades differently. The amount of melanin separating your skin from complete and no shade whatsoever plays a very important role as well. Therefore one person's testimony or method of use will work in the same manner, nor bring the same results to the next person.

That's the major reason as to why medical professionals recommend Monobenzone for vitiligo inflicted patients only. Your body's predisposition has been altered, is aiming at lighter skin, and therefore works hand-in-hand for the most part.

LOL Everything has a different effect on everyone.

I am not looking for the details of the testimony, but for the whereabouts why so many success stories with monobenzone on this forum are limited to a couple months.

I don't think anyone can really answer that. From my point of view however, I believe that most people who've reached their goal generally leave and don't bother to let anyone know how it turned out. We've had a few users use Monobenzone see decent results in the past and fail to utilize it's potential, yet post so afterwards.

Oh great thanks yeah I did find two members that did come back to post their results.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-member-discussions/monobenzone-help-52357.html

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/skin-lightening/dont-use-monobenzone-304277.html

If I was you, I'd stay away from Monobenzone. It's totally NOT worth it in my opinion.

It seems that way

If I was you, I'd stay away from Monobenzone. It's totally NOT worth it in my opinion.

Thanks the more I ask around the more horror stories no matter the percent. I was recommended locally, to use OTHINE or Nadinola 3% Hydroquinone Skin Lightener, because its readily available, until I get my Makari, who knows when that will be.

Has anyone used or tried OTHINE or NADINOLA 3% Hydroquinone?

people have been having a lot of luck with 55H+ Chystalline...


Do you happen to be related to Golden_Girl? lol!

Lmao... for a minute there I was thrown off a bit because I knew I didn't post earlier and I was like who is Golden_Boy :confused: No we are not related but I guess in here that would make us virtual twins or something.

I have read positive results for Nadinola, I never heard of Othine.

Thanks the more I ask around the more horror stories no matter the percent. I was recommended locally, to use OTHINE or Nadinola 3% Hydroquinone Skin Lightener, because its readily available, until I get my Makari, who knows when that will be.

Has anyone used or tried OTHINE or NADINOLA 3% Hydroquinone?

NADINOLA 3% mixed with fred summits 2% has given me great results... cvs always have them! Nadinola it great cause its just like a lotion and has NO scent or sticky/greasyness. Try that out babe ;)

Thanks so much TWIN SISTAH & beautifully whitegirl, you're so inform,ative and such DOLLZz! :)

Awwwwez<3

Lol... thanks.

I didn't know Fair and Flawless could make the skin burn, which kind did you use? They are too expensive for me.

Thanks the more I ask around the more horror stories no matter the percent. I was recommended locally, to use OTHINE or Nadinola 3% Hydroquinone Skin Lightener, because its readily available, until I get my Makari, who knows when that will be.

Has anyone used or tried OTHINE or NADINOLA 3% Hydroquinone?


I used Othine for like a few days. I got antsy and impatient thinking it was not strong enough for what I was trying to do so I quit with half a container still left.

Nadinola (contains a bit of sunscreen but surely not enough) and Othine are super old brands from the same company I believe (same lab/company J. Strickland address on boxes).

I remember using Othine on my knees in high school a million years ago. :p It does work but relatively slowly. It seems to be better with scrubs, AHA or glycolics (exfoliants) in your regimen as well.

I've added dear old Othine 2 weeks ago (I do it every other night) to my regi of weekly gly peels and F&F Parfait daily.

The synergy seems to be getting my face and neck closer and closer to my body color a bit faster(?). I don't think the Othine is hurting. It's also so cheap that I'm fine slathering it on my forearms too.

I could be wrong but I think that HQ is more of a restoration thing?. like to use until you're back to normal (spots, shadows, blotches, freckles are faded)... to get rid of excess color?

I don't know if HQ can safely change your base natural color & full-body ongoing? :confused:

It does sound kind of toxic to use all over indefinitely but that's just my totally non-expert opinion.

Nadinola (contains a bit of sunscreen but surely not enough) and Othine are super old brands from the same company I believe (same lab/company J. Strickland address on boxes).

I remember using Othine on my knees in high school a million years ago. :p It does work but relatively slowly. It seems to be better with scrubs, AHA or glycolics (exfoliants) in your regimen as well.

I've added dear old Othine 2 weeks ago (I do it every other night) to my regi of weekly gly peels and F&F Parfait daily.

The synergy seems to be getting my face and neck closer and closer to my body color a bit faster(?). I don't think the Othine is hurting. It's also so cheap that I'm fine slathering it on my forearms too.

I could be wrong but i think that HQ is more of a restoration thing? ...like to use until you're back to normal (spots, shadows, blotches, freckles are faded)...to get rid of excess color?

I don't know if HQ can safely change your base natural color & full-body ongoing? :confused:

It does sound kinda toxic to use all over indefinitely but that's just my totally non-expert opinion.

LOL :p

Thanks I mixed my jar of othine with some turmeric and it seems to have turned doodie brown overnight! I threw it out and probably won't use Hq. I'm so against it because of past trial with it yrs ago. Probably move onto alpha-arbutin.

Makari is taking forever to get here! :(

- Accidental post due to connection errors.

Why does hq cream oxidize so quickly. Nasty! Yack!

Why does hq cream oxidize so quickly. Nasty! Yack!

Because it is an unstable chemical in cosmetic products. Even when mixing it into a formulation, it is risky because it can oxidize quickly due to the air and light. That's why it is also best to use Hq that's in a non-transparent tube, pump, or other container that will prevent and lessen the risk of oxidation and not use them if they are in a jar or a transparent container, as it will become ineffective quite quickly.

Because it is an unstable chemical in cosmetic products. Even when mixing it into a formulation, it is risky because it can oxidize quickly due to the air and light. Thats why it is also best to use Hq that's in a non-transparent tube, pump, or other container that will prevent and lessen the risk of oxidation and not use them if they are in a jar or a transparent container, as it will become ineffective quite quickly.


Oh thanks whiz sis! :p

I don't know I just have such a natural aversion to HQ and bad experience with it, I feel like it can even oxidize under the skin or something

Iremember being given a script of hq compounded by derm and he made me keep it in the fridge

It turned brown anywayz in the fridge, what a costly waste

I'm going to stick with non-HQ

I like creams that can store for even a couple yearz in translucent bottle without risk of oxidation :cool:

Hq in the fridge? He probably said that in hopes to keep it fresh longer, but in the fridge once you open it the bright light comes on and cold air is always blowing on it. I would prefer to put it in a cabinet, but if it's in a jar the chance only increases of it oxidizing. Each time the lid is removed anyway. I don't know how my skin would react with hq? I only knowingly used it on my acne spots for a few weeks a few years back, and it had made my skin much clearer by the 3rd week. I was surprised. But, I never used it to lighten (excluding bio claire in which they had lied with their 0.06%, I hope they get sued).

Oh thanks. Yeah it waz in black glass bottle with "airless" screwon pump but still it oxidized. Hq is crazy like that unless its processed in factory with magnesium stearate I guess.

Someone on another forum told me HQ works best when mixed with tretinoin of course, plus NAC powder. And that NAC will slow down the oxidation too better than vit C. I will try that if I ever get some more HQ cream. Doubt it.

Re- Bio Claire That's stupid they tried to slip a little Hq in there,s that's not going to do anything but turn the cream brown and spoil any good ingredients there.

Yeah, using tretinoin along with hq will prevent skin thinning and damage. But it's good to use with any skin product.
Skin whitening - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_whitening#Hydroquinone)

Will using Tretinoin too long thin out the skin or is that just corticoids?

I read somewheres that tret stimulates collages, so doesn't thin it out - as u say.

I would like to use Tret continuously at a dilute strength (diluted into other natural creams like arbutin, turmeric, etc)

Tretinoin (vitamin A) will not thin the skin, it will do the opposite and yes stimulate collagen and keep the skin healthy, and prevent thinning. Use as prescribed, I persnally would use it maybe everyother evening at 0.05&#37;. Some people use it at a lesser concentration 0.025% and some mix it in their skincare creams and use it on a daily basis. After I get use to the 0.05% after a few months, then I'll up it at 0.1% which is that I know of the strongest. So, I think it's best to start off smal and add from there as 0.1% is quite strong.

Corticosteroids will definitely thin the skin and shouldn't be used as a lightener.

I have heard of tumeric being used on the skin, is it because it may give the skin a nice golden color since it's yellow? I eat with tumeric a lot and know it is a good antioxidant, but would like to sooner or later try it in a lotion too.

I use 0.1&#37; retin a micro and retin a is really a Godsent product. I use it every night with no problems. My skin peels every few days and reveal new fresher glowing skin. HQ mixed with tretinoin is better than HQ by itself, from personal experience.

I agree, hq and tret combo is much better than hq alone. How many shades were you able to lighten New Day?

It seems like everyone is online tonight lol. Ok TRUE STORY MOMENT: I posted this in my intro post but I have to reiterate I have not been a bleacher as some of the alums on here, so when I initially used my Tri Luma combo of 4&#37; HQ and 0.05% tretinoin, IT LITERALLY BURNED PIGMENT OFF MY SKIN, and my mom one day told me I was light skinned, my sister kept saying I was so light, but my skin was so uneven because around my mouth was lighter, below my eye, but just random patches, and I only used it for a few days and my skin was just peeling nonstop. I of course stopped and switched ot Bio Clair because the tri luma was too strong for me at the time. My doctor advised to rub a thin film on my acne spots only, but I got carried away and rubbed a healthy layer all over my face . So to answer your question, it took me down I would say about 2-3 shades in such a short period. I have a picture in my house somewhere if you give me a chance ot find it I'll send you a PM. The reason I am still looking for a good product is because tri-luma only comes in a 15 gram tube, and I need something FOR MY WHOLE BODY. So when Im ready to lighten my face, I know what to turn to, but for my whole body, that's a whole different story as my skin is so thick. Ughh.

Just random patches got light?? That's not good!

15G is TINY. No HQ for me I'm going with Arbutin+Tretinoin.

Thanks you

Just random patches got light?!?! Thats not good!

15G is TINY. No HQ for me I'm going with Arbutin+Tretinoin.

Thanks yall



Yeh random patches because like I said I was new to this and probably wasn't paying attention to the application, and also I only used it for such a short time, but yeah with lightening not every square inch lightens at the same pace unfortunately. Thank God for makeup. Where do you get your arbutin Golden Boy and have you started seeing results?

Tri Luma sounds like some good stuff. There are some areas of the face that are thinner than other areas. This did happen with me using bio clair (which is no good) and also with the makari, it lightened my mouth and nose area quicker and my forehead and other areas slower. But, I continued and everything would ketch up after another week or 2 and skin became more even. To lighten the whole body with hq/tret? I wonder if you could squeeze the tube in with another larger container of lightening lotion, or try formulating your own hq or formulating a more natural lightening blend? That's my guess.

Hmmm... everyone does seem to be on tonight which is rare, so we are just chatting away. My goal was to be in bed by this time... lol oh well.

Yeh random patches because like I said I was new to this and probably wasnt paying attention to the application, and also I only used it for such a short time, but yeh with lightening not every square inch lightens at the same pace unfortunately. Thank God for makeup. Where do you get your arbutin Golden Boy and have you started seeing results?


I want one simple cream I can apply head to toe daily that won't poison my organs so I spent like 100 bucks ordering 30 grams (1 oz) of arbutin, and 18 grams (2/3 oz) of alpha-arbutin from skinactives (I think they are very expensive! )

That 48 gm of combined arbutin will be dissolved in same amount of hot water, then mixed into 100 grams each of Makari + Emami naturally fair + Vicco turmeric + Tretinoin 0.1&#37;

I think the resulting cream will be 10% Arbutin and 0.2% Tretinoin and be total of 500g which is like more than a pound of cream! So might last me 3 months used head to toe, guessing. I would not know if its working till between Thanksgiving and New Years. I don't even have the ingredients yet but they're on their way.

I'm so psyched to find this forum, I think I've been on ever since I registered! Lol! My husband is like <blank look> about this subject so he doesn't really get it.

He seems to think it's normal to be 50 million different colors at once.:D

Ur multicolors are you serious?

Yeah Its addictive and when I read something funny my boy friend who's often watching TV right diagonal to me, looks at me all weird asking what I'm laughing at this time!

:)

Lol... well let us know how it works. Personally I would not have mixed makari, as it lightens the body and face very well on it's own. Why not have purchased your active ingredients from a company that offers larger quantities for less? Which has manufacturer prices in larger sizes instead of consumer prices in much smaller sizes? Depending where you purchase, the quality would have still been great, but more for your dollar. Skin Actives is cool too, but they are best for making small quantities, not larger ones. Better off just purchasing the alpha-arbutin instead of also the arbutin, as alpha-arbutin is the more potent and synthetic version of regular arbutin.

Emami naturally fair and Vicco turmeric are new to me. If you do decide to use them, maybe pour it into a spray bottle to easily apply it all over the body without using excess amounts.

I can't find where to get Arbutin in larger cheaper supplier amounts.

Anyone have a source link?

I can't find where to get Arbutin in larger cheaper supplier amounts.

Anyone have a source link?

... check your mail

Oohhhhh goodie, got it, my first private message ever!

I had heard of that site long ago but forgot all about it, would have never remembered so,
thanks to you sis!.

I will check them out and order from there too soon.

Tri Luma sounds like some good stuff. There are some areas of the face that are thinner than other areas. This did happen with me using bio clair (which is no good) and also with the makari, it lightened my mouth and nose area quicker and my forehead and other areas slower. But, I continued and everything would ketch up after another week or 2 and skin became more even. To lighten the whole body with hq/tret? I wonder if you could squeeze the tube in with another larger container of lightening lotion, or try formulating your own hq or formulating a more natural lightening blend? That's my guess.

Omg its like you read my mind! I was literally just pondering this as I got out the shower. MY question GOlden Girl is that if I do this, will I still have the same concentration of each active ingredient per use? Like if I start diluting the cream with another base lotion, will it be as effective? IF so why don't more people do this with 1 0z. Tubes of great lightening creams?

Ur multicolors are you serious?

Yeah Its addictive and when I read something funny my boy friend who's often watching tv right diagonal to me, looks at me all weird asking what I'm laughing at this time!

:)

It's getting less obvious but yesssssssss... I've got at least 3 (maybe 4 with my eye circles ) going on. It's a scary thing.

I tried to explain to him and he was like 'What's the big deal? LLook at me!' pointing out his skin... He is probably about 5 different colors now. LOL!

Silently I'm also thinking 'Yeh, but I'm supposed to be the cute one!'

He's just scared.. he thinks he married Kelly and is going to end up with Beyonce. Mwahaha!

http://conspiracygrimoire.com/wp-content/uploads/destinys-child-music-400.jpg

I'm reassuring him that I'll be Michelle-like at most.

Eggo in your pictures honestly I couldn't even tell you were ever Kelly's complexion, you looked like you were naturally supposed to be Michelle's color. What is your natural color minus the melasma? Like the color were 99&#37; of your life?

Eggo in your pictures honestly I couldnt even tell you were ever Kelly's complexion, you looked like you were naturally supposed to be Michelle's color. What is your natural color minus the melasma? Like the color were 99% of your life?




I think that my natural color is very close to Michelle's or Sanaa Lathan's. In my younger childhood photos I was caramel-peanut butterish. I grew up in an almost year round sunny area and my family was very outdoorsy so my color changed so much depending on my exposure... how many trips to the lake etc.

So one year my class pics I would be nut brown another year I'd be more chocolatey.

Once I got "grown" and started laying out I just lost track! Lol. I was close to my natural color for a brief time in the 90s when I was going for spa treatments regularly and using their products. Then it was back to sun worship and general neglect.

Also when I went to college, I'd lose my extra color in those long northern winters. I wasn't using anything, no bleaching, no sunscreen. I was telling Golden Girl in another thread that one of my friends from home accused me of bleaching.

Later, I'd also get darker when I had the babies. It's a been a roller coaster.:D

Sorry if I'm threadjacking GoldenBoy!

So, is Arbutin safer than HQ? Is it more or less effective than HQ? (off to search and Google)

Heheh no your welcome anytime, I Leggo my eggo! :)

Yes, "is a naturally occurring plant derived compound .. In comparative in vitro studies of various compounds used to improve the appearance of disorders of hyperpigmentation, arbutin was found to be less toxic than hydroquinone. A dose-dependent reduction in tyrosinase activity, as well as melanin content in melanocytes, was also demonstrated."

Omg its like you read my mind! I was literally just pondering this as I got out the shower. MY question GOlden Girl is that if I do this, will I still have the same concentration of each active ingredient per use? Like if I start diluting the cream with another base lotion, will it be as effective? IF so why dont more people do this with 1 0z. tubes of great lightening creams?

Good point. As the overall percentage increases, the &#37; of the active ingredients also decreases because they are being diluted. It still maybe effective to some extent, but I believe adding more than one tube to a larger concentration of lotion or crème would give better results. I'm no chemist but when formulating a lotion/creme the percentage is usually 100%, in some cases 50%. Water making up the highest percentage, % of active ingredients it all depends. Having around a 10-15% active ingredient would be quite effective, but this is all in theory to me as I have not tried this yet. But, am considering it as an option to lighten the whole body.

Sounds like more math than I'm willing to tackle right now... and wouldn't you have to know the percentage of inactive ingredients? Or do you just figure it out by subtracting the percentage of actives from 100&#37; and therefore getting the percentage of inactives? This would be a great idea if only I was a math whiz lol. My mind is spinning...

He's just scared..he thinks he married Kelly and is going to end up with Beyonce. mwahaha!

http://conspiracygrimoire.com/wp-content/uploads/destinys-child-music-400.jpg

I'm reassuring him that I'll be Michelle-like at most.

You know looking at this photo actually looks kind of funny and obvious... lol Notice how Beyonce is course the lightest one with bright blond hair, and very busty while the other 2 is well covered up like brides mades! Her necklace (the only one wearing one I might add), and her wedding-like gown being the prettiest. The photographer actually has her taking up more of the photo, as she is not standing in profile as the other 2. I think it's funny because they gave her a pushup bra and the other 2 something much more simple :o

LOL yeah it looks like an overhead ceiling light fixture is beaming down on her! Geez I mean could you be any more obvious. When I was in middle/high school Destiny's Child had just emerged, and my friends and I would always notice that Beyonce got the better outfits out of the group, and it didn't help that her mom was the designer for the group lol.

I agree GG & IAND.. In retrospect, Destiny's Child seemed like a total launch pad-showcase for Beyonce. Very Diana Ross and the Supremes.

LMAO @ the photo, yes.. it's quite "Beyonce and 'dem." She could've been positioned differently, maybe more like Kelly to balance the poses but oh well... We know what that was about now.

So true. When Destiny's Child was out I always loved her outfits and hairstyles, coming to find out it was a setup from her fashion desiger mom. I would like to reach her shade. But, I still feel for the previous members LaTavia and Latoya. I think I would have bounced too due to the unfairness and like Eggo mentioned "the launch pad-showcase for Beyonce", when all of them are so talented.

Sounds like more math than I'm willing to tackle right now...and wouldn't you have to know the percentage of inactive ingredients? or do you just figure it out by subtracting the percentage of actives from 100% and therefore getting the percentage of inactives? This would be a great idea if only I was a math whiz lol. My mind is spinning...

Well, it's not being made from scratch, so all of the inactive ingredients is your base. Your using your base as the all-ready made lotion, so you'll just be adding the active ingredient and try mix it well together. I'm no math whiz myself, so this is an estimation and doubt we have to be exact. I was only planning on adding a couple of tubes in with another lotion, mix, then cover and use. As long as the hq does not oxidize, that is the main challenge.

So true. When Destiny's Child was out I always loved her outfits and hairstyles, coming to find out it was a setup from her fashion desiger mom. I would like to reach her shade. But, I still feel for the previous members LaTavia and Latoya. I think I would have bounced too due to the unfairness and like Eggo mentioned "the launch pad-showcase for Beyonce", when all of them are so talented.




Bey is a pretty color there too.

It's kind of hard to get a grasp, even with the celebrity examples because they too seem to change shades. I'm sure it depends on the lighting, makeup, photoshop, their sun exposure & regimens too etc.

When I was making my posts I Googled pics and one person can present so many different shades in all the photos! Craziness! Lol!

Well, it's not being made from scratch, so all of the inactive ingredients is your base. Your using your base as the all-ready made lotion, so you'll just be adding the active ingredient and try mix it well together. I'm no math whiz myself, so this is an estimation and doubt we have to be exact. I was only planning on adding a couple of tubes in with another lotion, mix, then cover and use. As long as the hq does not oxidize, that is the main challenge.


Ok I get it now, so now the question is how to figure out how much tubes I would need in comparison to say a 250ml. Or 500ml. Tub of cream to maintain the same effect of the actives, and then maybe add something to prolong the stability of the HQ, right? Are you over there concocting a super lotion as we speak Golden? Lol no seriously I get the feeling you're about to make some genius concoction, right or wrong :)

Ok I get it now, so now the question is how to figure out how much tubes I would need in comparison to say a 250ml. or 500ml. tub of cream to maintain the same effect of the actives, and then maybe add something to prolong the stability of the HQ, right? Are you over there concocting a super lotion as we speak Golden? lol no seriously I get the feeling you're about to make some genius concoction, right or wrong :)

I know.. When you get it together GG, I'll order some from you! Do you take Paypal? LOL!:p
I'm only half-joking. My kids have scrambled my brains. I can't do the calculations & mixology but I'll buy some from you.

Please keep us posted!

Lol... I'm still trying to learn and absorb as much as I can, but would like to try during this winter season to see how it comes out.

I found a place that has HQ 10% for 30.00!! But they also have 7% so I think I'd try that first.

Yes put me on top of your prospective clientele list Golden. I asked a pharmacist in regards to mixing the cream we were talking about and he just said mix it 1 to 1, so use about the same amount of base as the active cream, but he did not go into detail about whether I could use more base than cream. Oh well at least I now know I can stretch out my cream a little bit longer.

I found a place that has HQ 10% for 30.00!!!! But they also have 7% so I think I'd try that first.

Please DO SHARE!

By the way is it raw HQ or is it already mixed?

Please DO SHARE!!

btw is it raw HQ or is it already mixed?

Already mixed, it's a cream

already mixed, its a cream

That sounds great. Was there shipping pretty high?

Itss A New Day that's great that you asked a pharmacist and that he shared the info.

OK, where is this HQ 10&#37; for 30.00? Golden_Girl I am so enamoured with your intelligence, you are very learned and I appreciated that. I have 4% HQ, tret, and a bethamethasone I got from my derma and I tried mixing them together but it didn't turn out right it had the consistency of like a spoiled milk kind of liquid with bits of congealed cream, so my derm said I shouldn't have done so. I was told to use from the tube to body as needed and not mix. This seems laborous. I was really considering the tret in lotion thing to strecth what I have it sounds like a good suggestion. I used to mix 2% HQ creams in skin lightening lotions and it seemed OK.

Thanks Slimgoody *blushing*, I would like to become well-learned so many of my questions I have been having will be answered. I don't know where HQ 10% for 30.00 is, unless you practice compounding your own for much less. Hq in a tube or pumb bottle is always best as it will oxidize less and remain more potent, since it is less exposed to air and light this way. Some active ingredients become ineffective when mixed with others, I don't know if this is what had happened though or if it was because it was exposed too much air and light. Although laborous, your derm is most likely correct.

Thanks Golden_Girl for the response to my post I am so heart broken but I will try to be delligent in doing the HQ tret process. I too have been bleaching for years I was a HQ2&#37; queen but now I've stepped up I was looking for something permanent I want to have a Rihanna like tone, and I was told tret can help in semi to permanent results

Maybe some of the other members here who are using hq/tret know about the hq 10%, so you can try and post a question about it and go from there. I never used hq accept the 2%for my acne spots for about 2 weeks, and that was a fews back. Yesterday I just ordered hq4% and tret 0.05% for my arms, hands, and spots on my face. Tretinoin can help lighten some people a little, but it's mainly great for good exfoliation and then applying a good skin lightener for better and faster results. You can also try some of the non-hq products, I'll be trying the chrystaline to see if it'll work for me.

Actually hydroquinone is not recommanded at all. That is why it is banned in Ireland and the UK.
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Actually hydroquinone is not recommanded at all. That is why it is banned in Ireland and the UK.
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actually hydroquinone is not recommanded at all. That is why it is banned in Ireland and the UK.
You can get better results without burning your skin with natural extracts plants lotion and creams such as, Makari, QEI+ and 55H+
you can see them at Ebony Beauty Fashion - Wigs, Weaves, Skin & Hair Care (http://ebfhair.net/ebfhairdotnet/catalog/catalog/index.php?cPath=46_52)

Your about to get banned..

Let me start by saying I have been hydro girl for like 7 yrs but only on the 2% level, so I'm an avid user. But I'm new to the 4% game so I obtained a perscpt from my derm for hydro 4%, betamethasone & alamactin. So I started using twice a day w a retin a and I burned my skin on my arm, lol. But I know where I went wrong, I used retin a on my face but I began w an every other day use then advance to everyday when I saw that I didn't need it everyday and went back to every other day, which is what I should've done with my hydro, retin a usage. On top of that I'd scrub my skin thinking that was the best thing to get rid of my peeling skin but it only aided in helping the hydro and retin a penetrate deeper but not letting my skin heal or recover before I cover my skin with more product. Over usage or as my grandmother would say,"Being fast and grown," I burnt my skin but, "When you know better, you do better." So I took a week off and went back to my regular 2% mixture while on hiatus from the more potent 4% retin a. My skin healed so now I 4% & retin a every other day but only at night and I 2% everyday and my skin has gotten better and lighter. I hope I didn't bore anyone my apologies just thought I'd share my journey.

Let me start by saying I have been hydro girl for like 7 yrs but only on the 2% level, so I'm an avid user. But I'm new to the 4% game so I obtained a perscpt from my derm for hydro 4%, betamethasone & alamactin. So I started using twice a day w a retin a and I burned my skin on my arm, lol. But I know where I went wrong, I used retin a on my face but I began w an every other day use then advance to everyday when I saw that I didnt need it everyday and went back to every other day, which is what I should've done with my hydro, retin a usage. On top of that I'd scrub my skin thinking that was the best thing to get rid of my peeling skin but it only aided in helping the hydro and retin a penetrate deeper but not letting my skin heal or recover before I cover my skin with more product. Over usage or as my grandmother would say,"Being fast and grown," I burnt my skin but, "When you know better, you do better." So I took a week off and went back to my regular 2% mixture while on hiatus from the more potent 4% retin a. My skin healed so now I 4% & retin a every other day but only at night and I 2% everyday and my skin has gotten better and lighter. I hope I didn't bore anyone my apologies just thought I'd share my journey.

Thank you for sharing

Yes, thanks Slimgoody. Did your derm suggest how long to use the 4% hq (weeks, months, more)?

No my derm didn't suggest how long I should use the 4% but frm what I've read frm other posts I won't use for more than six months then I'll break and resume thereafter... but I will ask, I have to refill my perscpt and get bk w the answer ttys

Use ambi fade cream it has 2%hydroq... it takes almost 2 weeks to lighten(bleach) your skin. And its 5$