Today's gospel lesson...
2. And some Pharisees came up to Him, testing Him, and began to question Him whether it was lawful for a man to divorce a wife.
3. And He answered and said to them, "What did Moses command you?"
4. And they said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away."
5. But Jesus said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment.
6. "But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female.
7. "For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother,
8. and the two shall become one flesh; consequently they are no longer two, but one flesh.
9. "What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
10. And in the house the disciples began questioning Him about this again.
11. And He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her;
12. And if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery."
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How do you think about what Jesus said about marriage applies to marriages performed without God such as by a Justice of The Peace, Judge, or ship's captain?
Keep in mind that in Jesus' day and land marriages were performed by priests.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I think godless marriage is an excellent idea

amIwrong,
To each his own.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

amIwrong,
To each his own.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I agree, best to you.

My brother!
I have never read in the Bible a marriage performed by a priest!
I see celebrations but I see no ceremony.
Not even the heavenly marriage is performed, only celebrated!
I myself was married at the cityhall and I had to do this so that the authourities of the world know that me and my wife are married.And we were married already because God Himself married us earlier.We only went there to announce let's say what God has done!
So to me the heart of the marriage thing has nothing to do with a priest or any other human authourity except the announcing thing so that you would be OK with human laws also.We know when we are married to someone and we don't have to be told by anyone else except God.
And to back it up with Scripture I hear Paul saying that we are all priests, so if me and my wife are both priests and married by the High priest,then why looking for one more?
Godly marriages do not include priests in that sense,since every believer in Jesus Christ is a priest!

My brother!
I have never read in the Bible a marriage performed by a priest!
I see celebrations but I see no ceremony.
Not even the heavenly marriage is performed, only celebrated!
I myself was married at the cityhall and I had to do this so that the authourities of the world know that me and my wife are married.And we were married already because God Himself married us earlier.We only went there to announce let's say what God has done!
So to me the heart of the marriage thing has nothing to do with a priest or any other human authourity except the announcing thing so that you would be ok with human laws also.We know when we are married to someone and we don't have to be told by anyone else except God.
And to back it up with Scripture I hear Paul saying that we are all priests, so if me and my wife are both priests and married by the High priest,then why looking for one more?
Godly marriages do not include priests in that sence,since every believer in Jesus Christ is a priest!

I am not religious, but I agree with you. Marriage should have little or nothing to do with law.

I am not religious, but I agree with you. Marriage should have little or nothing to do with law.

Follow Christ and you will be surprised in how many things you will agree with Him!

In fact we are talking here about clergyless marriages and not Godless, 'cause the only accepted marriage should be the Godly one!

Brother Adam,
I was going by Jewish history and tradition when I said that priests performed marriages by in Jesus time.
As you know not everything is written in the bible.
We do know that marriages were performed and also divorces.
Also there exist some documents that speak of marriages way back then.
Apparently they were recorded as was thing like the document that speaks of Abraham's purchase of a bit of special land in which to bury his wife.
It is amazing how much that archeologist have discovered so far.
Just the other day they have found Egyptian coins which bear the name of Joseph who was appointed an official by the pharaoh to see after collect enough grain into storage to get the country through several years of drought as was recorded in the bible.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

AmIwrong,
It is very likely that all marriages performed in the lands where Jesus ministered, walked and taught were done by God fearing ministers; that is Jewish preists and perhaps rabbis.
History and existing documents tell us that they and divorces were recorded.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Blah blah blah there is no "GOD" and if there is he sure doesn't try to help out those who were in love and went and got married just to fight and get divorced and split familys up. Good job god!

Itsamo,
So you believe and that is your right.
By I and others here do believe in God. This is a Christian forum board.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Send him a message for me and tell him to make my life stop sucking :]
I'll pray just for him.

Blah blah blah there is no "GOD" and if there is he sure doesnt try to help out those who were in love and went and got married just to fight and get divorced and split familys up. Good job god!

Blame God for your mistakes.
God is not a puppetmaster,He allows you to do as you wish as a sign of His power over your will.He will prove you wrong.It's like Him letting you shoot at Him while He knows that He is bulletsafe!

Well your saying it was my mistake for being born and getting raped,abused and teased at school and having mental disorders? It's the life I chose? I chose none of the things that have happed to me.

Blah blah blah there is no "GOD" and if there is he sure doesnt try to help out those who were in love and went and got married just to fight and get divorced and split familys up. Good job god!

Wow, itsamor!

This thread is posted in the Christianity forum topic area. Thus so, it's not a place or a thread whereby it's okay to debate the existence of God or not. That's something better to be left to the Religious Discussions forum topic area.

This site, being as worldwide as it is, does try to cater to what people want to discuss in what are now, many forum topic areas. Some of those discussions happen in what we might call "safe havens" for those who like to discuss certain topics. The Administration has been working hard at making the site one where everyone can feel as though they belong, in some way, here.

There are those of us who hear homilies and sermons on a weekly basis that are based on the common lectionary and also like to follow the common lectionary for study and prayer throughout the week. Doing so is very much a group thing.

Water seeks it's own level. That's a basic law of physics. It's the same way with people. People tend to hang around those who are like themselves.

If like-minded people want to discuss something on this site that, really, is for the common good and enjoyment of other like-minded people, then, in my opinion, is that they should be able to do that - without interruption because of someone who believes differently. Doing things that way helps to enrich the site in many ways and helps to attract members to the site as well as generate income for the site so that it can continue.

Basically, the major religions are covered on this site. Hopefully, others will also follow as far as forum topics being created. Even Wicca is accepted for questions and discussion here.

Please be tolerant and accepting of others here. Doing so, is part of what makes this such a great site!

You might get answers from someone who believes totally differently than you do about spirital matters in a subject in which you really are looking for answers. Just because you and they might not believe the same thing spritually, doesn't mean that they aren't the best ones to provide you with the answers that you seek in any forum topic area.

Thanks!

Well your saying it was my mistake for being born and getting raped,abused and teased at school and having mental disorders? It's the life i chose? i chose none of the things that have happed to me.

Hi again, itsamor!

This thread has nothing to do with what you're trying to debate. Please don't continue to do so.

If you want to start a thread about what you're wanting to debate, please do so on another, appropriate forum topic area that's about what you're wanting to debate.

I can sympantize with what you're wanting to debate and discuss, but this thread isn't the place to do it.

Thanks!

itsamor
You wrote''he sure doesn't try to help out those who were in love and went and got married just to fight and get divorced and split familys up'' and that's what my reply was about.
You want to know why those things happened to you and to all of us? It's simply because we and our fathers did not want Him.We did not want Him to rule over us and lead us and protect us .We did not want things His way,we wanted things our way.When He says to do things His way it is not because of His ego but it is because He knows the way to happines and there is no other way except His way.So if I choose another way that will simply lead me away from happiness.
When you drive you follow the signs and you do stop on a red light.Is the red light on because they want to stop you for no reason or is it on because your life is in danger?

Adam,
I don't follow "Him" and my life and those around me who follow the same lifestyle are just fine and happy. It's not worshipping a god or not worshipping a god that makes someone mentally unstable or makes people divorce. How do you explain the high divorce rate then?

adam,
I don't follow "Him" and my life and those around me who follow the same lifestyle are just fine and happy. It's not worshipping a god or not worshipping a god that makes someone mentally unstable or makes people divorce. How do you explain the high divorce rate then?

I say that all kinds of curses that mankind carries is simply because mankind abondened God!

adam,
I don't follow "Him" and my life and those around me who follow the same lifestyle are just fine and happy. It's not worshipping a god or not worshipping a god that makes someone mentally unstable or makes people divorce. How do you explain the high divorce rate then?

It's not your "life" I'd be worried about. How is eternity going to be for you?

Send him a message for me and tell him to make my life stop sucking :]
i'll pray just for him.

GOD never gives us more than we can handle. Are you still alive? Then make the most of what you have.

I hope your life gets better.

I believe in having GOD in your marriage. I'm getting the kids ready for church now. I pray to GOD every day. I thank HIM for all the things HE'S done for me, and the joy in my life. I've been truly blessed. I am a recovering alcoholic/addict, and GOD has given me a second chance. I was on the brink of overdosing due to the extreme pain I have been experiencing. But I'm still here, and it's because of GOD, and a great wife. And I know that in my heart. So no matter what some people here say. Their comments are what makes us a little stronger, and makes us more grateful to have HIM in our lives.

I say that all kinds of curses that mankind carries is simply because mankind abondened God!But the people that divorced had not abandoned god.

It's not your "life" I'd be worried about. How is eternity going to be for you?Not concerned about "eternity". I'm concerned about being a good person now.

Not concerned about "eternity". I'm concerned about being a good person now.

But you can have it both ways.

I guess I choose not to live in fear. Seems to be working for me and my family. :)
Have a great day!

I guess I choose not to live in fear. Seems to be working for me and my family. :)
Have a great day!

I too, choose to not live in fear. I live in complete confidence. We all do what works for us. Peace to you and yours.

Fear is only found outside the rest offered in Christ Jesus, The Begotten Son of God, The Word of God

Hebrew 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Hebrew 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].


Matthew 13:9 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Matthew 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

How do you think about what Jesus said about marriage applies to marriages performed without God such as by a Justice of The Peace, Judge, or ship's captain?

We have no way of knowing the hearts of others. Nor can we judge them. And Scripture did say that God joined them together. This could take place outside a structured building without a priest. God is the powerful and Lord of all. All souls belong to God.

Matthew 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.



Keep in mind that in Jesus' day and land marriages were performed by priests.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Disagree, they were registered.. (AND Joseph himself never went to register until after the tax law was enforced)

Keep in mind in those days women were betroth. What TP did they enter, What house was there to enter. What was told of Adam and Eve in OT?

But the people that divorced had not abandoned god.

There are rules to divorce.If people were divorced following that specific rules then OK,but most do not!Thus curse comes in.

itsamor,
The problems in your life are the result of what you chose to do or not do AND the same of others who were or are around you PLUS consequenses of this world.
In some cases you can't do much about it but in others you can.
Your attitude about God speaks volumes about your life.
Most, but not all, people who believe in and worship God are much happier. That even includes people who live in counties where life to many is miserable.
God gives us all His promise of a life after this one where there is no pain and suffering and no tears.
All we need to do is believe, have faith, and do our best to live as He suggests through Jesus Christ our Lord and savior.
It is also why God centered marriages are generally happier and long lasting compared to those that are not.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

It is also why God centered marriages are generally happier and long lasting compared to those that are not.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

My brother!
Think that everything written in the Bible starts with a wedding in Eden and ends with a wedding in Heaven.God's eternal purpose is a wedding,the wedding of His Son and The Bride.
That's why God created us, to give His begotten Son a Bride in His image and in His likeness.
Think of Adam.He named every living creature on earth but as he did that he realized that there is no one like him.So God out of Adam creates Eve and they in spite of being two person are no longer two but one!
Now, think of God's begotten Son,The Word who made everything,and everything was made for Him according to Scripture,watching the whole creation until sixth day and realizing that there is no one like Him.
And in that day He creates us in His image and in His likeness.Why?Because He wants a Bride just like Him. And through our faith in Him we are like Him.We are no longer two,but one!
A marriage is something that God has established and what God's eternal purpose is.He is the founder of marriage, so marriage outside God cannot be!
And do not think that marriage is simply two persons living for the rest of their lives together.That is not what God means by marriage, it goes much further than that!

Brother adam,
That is beautiful.
I hope everyone here reads that.
Fred

Dear All!

I just hope and pray that those continuing on this thread realize that the thread was started with the intention of those answering from a Christian or Godly perspective.

That is what you intended, wasn't it, Fred?

If I'm incorrect, then you have my apology.

Thanks!

The credit goes to God through Lance Lambert and his teaching The eternal purpose of God.
You can find his book and there are much more!

Clough,
Yes, You are correct.
I am not on;y interested in what those who believe in God are thinking about marriages without God in them but also, hopefully, what their belief is in regard to why and how it ois important for God to be a part of each marriage.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Hi, Arcura!

So, in recapitulation here, those that have a belief in God and/or a Christian belief in God are those after which you seek concerning people providing answers/responses on this thread.

Would that be correct?

I'm just seeking clarification here and not trying to debate anything. But, I'm sure that you already realize that. I just wanted to make things clear, here...

Thanks!

Clough,
You are correct.
It does appear though that there are SOME who believe in God but think Godless marriages are OK or even desirable.
Hummmmm...
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Clough,
You are correct.
It does appear though that there are SOME who believe in God but think Godless marriages are OK or even desirable.
Hummmmm....
Peace and kindness,
Fred

What makes them Godless marriages .. I have asked you this before.

I believe God is always present for all

Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

sndbay,
A Godless marriage is one where God is never invited to participate or even mentioned.
You never hear the phase. "What God has joint together let no one pass asunder" or words to that effect.
Peace and kindness,
Fred