Hi all, I am new to this site and I hope to be able to get some help with a bathroom/laundry room reno. I Am looking to turn a spare bedroom and a bathroom into a single laundry/linen bathroom on the top floor of our house. (top floor consists of 5 bedrooms and a bathroom). We recently just bought this house that was built in 57 and many updates need to be done in plumbing/electrical. Electrical is no problem since I work in the electrical field but Plumbing is a new ballpark.

Can I get some help with some single line diagrams on piping routes and size?

I will provide pictures so you will better understand what is currently here and what I intend to do.

For now, here a paint diagram on what and where items will be located. Current have all exterior walls and ceiling exposed and have to open up the floor today. The current vent stack DO NOT go up through attic nor through roof, Your jaws will drop when you'll see where the current air intake for stack is to. Will post some real pictures when I remove some of the floor for laying pipes.

I need a simple line diagram on what size of pipes and how to route them for this reno. I look forward to working with you all to make this project a great success :)

THanks you kindly

~FYE~

Laundry setup:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/captonenut/laundrysetup.jpg

Let's wait on the pictures beforc we lay out the vent. In the mean time here's a typical washer station installed.(see image). Would it be possible for you to cut a sanitary tee into the stack to plick up the washer? Let me know, Tom

Thanks for the quick reply Tom. No problem with cutting into anything for I am replacing the whole stack anyway. Basically the stack comes up from basement to the top floor and stops under bathroom floor. There the top of stack (under floor) has a 90 deg turn and connects to the toilet. The air intake IS below the 90 and go out through the side of the house with what I deem to be a 1" opening for air intake.

I plan on taking out the entire stack and replacing it and routing it up through the attic and out the roof. The stack under bathroom floor goes down a few feet and connects to a 4" iron pipe which continues down to basement where there bigger nightmare to be dealt with.

Since this is an older house, the walls have no insulation and all finished in wallboard with some type of old type type of paper board acting as insulation. So all the walls are being torn out, insulated with r20 and vapor barrier ed. I am going to replace all the old plumbing through out the house as I go from floor to floor. I need to get washer/dryer setup asap so I can move the existing hookup which is located in the 2nd living room.( The recently deceased owner had laundry hook'd up there for convience since she was an elderly lady.

The new washer drain will be 7 feet from the vent stack,is it with in code to connect the washer vent/drain to the main vent stack. Or do I need to have a 2nd vent stack up through the attic and out of the roof for the washer?

Once I have some of the floor removed in bathroom and the vertical bulkhead opened in living room that covers the vent stack, I will take some snap shots so you can see the existing plumbing from the top floor to basement. I know this is a big job ( plumbing/electrical/construction) but have plenty of time and band aids to use. Lol

Thanks again for your help.


~FYE~

Hi all:

FYE... I am kind of the "line drawing" guy around here so I'll see what I can do to put up a drawing or two for you. I won't get to it today, but you can check back later tonight and I should have something up for you... O.K.?

What plumbing code prevails in your area? UPC? IPC? USPC? Let me know. If you are unsure, call your local building department and ask them. Specifically, I want to know the code that prevails and while you are asking ask if WET VENTING is allowed. Wet venting will save lots of time and money if allowed in your area... ;)

MARK

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TY Mark, I will get that info today and have some snapshots of the plumbing here so everyone can see what I need to get done. ( yes you can all point and Laugh your Hinny of @ the plumbing pics) which is why I am here so I can replace it and do it right :) You can hold of the diagrams until I get pics up so you can really see what were up against then do some diagrams that I can follow.

Again Ty all for the help :)

~FYE~

Hi, I been busy ripping out walls preparing for new pipes and insulation. I have a few pics below of my laundry/bathroom showing what I intend to do.



The new laundry/bath room with the item locations as per my Drawing in opening post.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/captonenut/planDcopy.jpg

The plumbing that was there ( I have only removed part of the hot/cold supply lines for easier access)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/captonenut/DSCF3007copy.jpg

Closer view (note location of outside air intake, on the side of the house and BELOW the toilet connection.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/captonenut/DSCF3008copy.jpg

View from where washer is to be placed
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/captonenut/DSCF3006copy.jpg

Stack located in living room (note where the 3" abs pipe connects to the 4" iron pipe. THIS is not connected, upon close examation the 3" abs is just laying on top of the 4" iron pipe. You can grab the 3" and pull it straight out of the iron pipe. Also you can see the air intake is the lowest of all connections and go out the wall located on side of the house.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/captonenut/DSCF3010.jpg

Closer view of Stack connections
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/captonenut/DSCF3011.jpg


Planing on running a new stack from room to basement.

I will gladly hit you up for some line diagrams on routes and sizes of piping required. All piping will run underneath floor unless directed otherwise by you fine folks. Planning on making the 2x4 walls to 2x6 walls so I can put in R20 insulation.


Thanks for being so helpful in my reno,


~FYE~

WOW FYE... that has to be the screwiest plumbing job I've ever seen... ;)

I'll try to draw something up later today and post it. Did you find out about wet venting yet?

Let me know.

MARK

Thanks Mark much appreciated :) Asked around and census was that wet vent not OK.

Lol to "screwiest plumbing job" but this is only the bath room have not shown the basement pics (yet to be taken) where I am sure if you look up in wiki Spaghetti factory it will show a pic of my basement piping. Lol

For now the plan is to get the laundry room plumbing and a new stack from the roof to the basement. Now am prepping basement floor to replace the 3" waste lines that are half buried in floor and adding a backwater valve and clean outs.

Wonder if wife get mad if I bought her a porta pottie to use while I replace all this lol

Once again thanks for helping me in my big reno

~FYE~

Hi FYE...

And don't you know I drew all this up wet vented... LOL! That's what I get for jumpin' the gun!

Hey, late night tonight but I'll redraw all this and post it late tomorrow night... promise! That washer will be in soon!

To start, you can cut all this out as noted in the drawing below. They sell 8" bimetal blades, or if you are lucky you may be able to locate a LENNOX DIAMOND SAWZAL BLADE at a local plumbing supply company... makes real quick work of cast iron. If the diamond sawzall blade is not available stick with the bimetal blades... forget the CARBIDE blades... don't work as well as they say!

MARK

PS: I am planning on having you run a vent stack up and out the roof as part of this. I am still not sure if we should run in the outside wall or just on the inside wall by the toilet. I prefer the inside wall if possible.

Hi mark, actually I think the whole stack need to be replace, for I have not taken any pics of the lower part of that 4" iron pipe in basement. Will post tomorrow the basement view of stack and I am sure you will agree that it all got to come out.

The Stack in basement has another 2 bathroom attached, also there a hole in the stack, due to the age and half of it is burried in concrete. When water was ran in the top floor bathroom a lil bit would would dribble out for the crack is located on the higher part of the pipe located half buried in concrete.

I will take a few more pics tomorrow and run it thru paint to show what I have in mind for replacement of all the stack.

The bathroom in basement has a toilet and sink and think it best to get it gone, most of the pipes is buried in concrete and the toilet itself is PERCHED upon a 10" retangular concrete block, very amusing to look at. The 2nd bathroom is on main floor just of the kitchen and (directly below the top floor bath). This is connected to the stack in the basement as well.

LOL the only good plumbing here is the washer and dryer hookup in the living room. Gutted a 3rd bedroom today lol Only 3 more to go :)

Thanks for all the help


~FYE~

Running inside or out, not sure on exactly on the location you are referring to.

Hi FYE:

Here is a line diagram of how I would pipe this... see image.

Understanding that you plan to remove the cast iron to the basement I would cut out the 4" cast iron and send up 3" ABS from the basement. The 3" will run up stairs, pick up the fixtures and then go out the roof 3".

I suggest pulling a 2" drain line off a 3"x2" wye BELOW THE FLOOR and run that up for the smaller fixtures. The toilet will be vented by the stack.

All vents connect to the 3" vent stack either in the walls or up in the attic.. whichever you like best.

Vents pitch back toward drain at 1/4" pitch per foot (or so). Here, picture rain water flowing down the vents and falling into the waste line by gravity... make sense? All vents connect into the vent stack with inverted sanitary tee fittings.

Use dandy cleanout where you can access them in the future if needed.

Finally, I recommend using the washer drain box Speedball posted earlier... makes a real nice finish job on the drain/water. All fits iside the wall and connect to the box... see his image.

Do not forget to support the BASE OF THE STACK with an appropriate hanger... gets heavy with all these fittings!

Let me know what you think...

MARK

Hi Mark, thanks for the nifty diagram :) This looks good to me and seems like I should be able to handle it with some guidance from the plumbing shop when I go get the supplies needed. Yes I will be printing this and taking with me to ensure I get the proper fittings.

Thank you again Mark, I will update this thread as I install or need additional questions asked, for there going to be more questions for sure.

I will be posting pics tomorrow of basement nightmare plumbing and what I intend to do down there as well. Was hoping to get pics and post them today but was toooo busy re-framing the walls studs to 2x6 and running all the homeruns for all the top floor electrical back to panel. You should get a good chuckle out the basement plumbing pics especially the high rise toilet :)

~FYE~