Why is it that our children can't read a bible in school, but they can in prison?

They can read their bibles in school in Texas, we even have elective bible courses in many districts which irritates the left to no end, as do prison ministries. But if you ask most prison wardens I bet they'd say these ministries are more than welcome.

Oh wow we aren't suppose to be reading our Bibles in school? Dang I guess I should stop reading it in class... I was wondering why the teacher kept looking at me! I think it is all a load of stupidity... We are losing what the foundation of our society was built on. I'm not saying I am perfect because I am far from it but I think as long as I am not making a fellow student/co-worker uncomfortbale by trying to shove anything down their throats then it is my right/freedom to read my Bible anywhere I want... Society these days is too easily offended and in my opinion people are losing themselves and worrying about the wrong "issues" so to speak.

Oh wow we aren't suppose to be reading our Bibles in school? Dang I guess I should stop reading it in class... I was wondering why the teacher kept looking at me! I think it is all a load of stupidity... We are losing what the foundation of our society was built on. I'm not saying I am perfect because I am far from it but I think as long as I am not making a fellow student/co-worker uncomfortbale by trying to shove anything down their throats then it is my right/freedom to read my Bible anywhere I want... Society these days is too easily offended and in my opinion people are losing themselves and worrying about the wrong "issues" so to speak.

I am not politically correct. (What is true never is.) You will not find any here. I hate it; the only thing I hate more are people who know it is destroying the world we live in but have not the integrity and courage to speak up against it. In fact, to counterbalance the pervasive, destructive p/c out on the street, I press the politically incorrect envelope to the MAX. I can't stand phonies and two-faced hypocrites. I have no tolerance for purposeful ignorance or stupidity. Herein there is no hesitation to say so. You will find huge doses of moral prejudice for these types from me.

You're allowed to read the bible in schools in Ohio.

I am not politically correct. (What is true never is.) You will not find any here. I hate it; the only thing I hate more are people who know it is destroying the world we live in but have not the integrity and courage to speak up against it. In fact, to counterbalance the pervasive, destructive p/c out on the street, I press the politically incorrect envelope to the MAX. I can't stand phonies and two-faced hypocrites. I have no tolerance for purposeful ignorance or stupidity. Herein there is no hesitation to say so. You will find huge doses of moral prejudice for these types from me.

Haha yes I agree... I am very outspoken and blunt! I think my mouth is what gets me into so much trouble but then again I try to be open minded to other peoples points and views not because I disagree with them but because I don't know everything in this world and feel the more knowledge I am able to acquire the better off I am... I dislike fake people and hypocrites to the max! And will be the first person to call someone out... As for Bibles not being allowed in some schools I think it is really totally ridiculous!

Haha yes I agree... I am very outspoken and blunt! I think my mouth is what gets me into so much trouble but then again I try to be open minded to other peoples points and views not because I disagree with them but because I don't know everything in this world and feel the more knowledge I am able to aquire the better off I am.... I dislike fake people and hypocrits to the max! And will be the first person to call someone out... As for Bibles not being allowed in some schools I think it is really totally ridiculous!

I do not live my life second-handedly. I am not, first, interested in impressing others above making a lasting impression with my own life. I get my self-esteem from the inside, huge gobs of it, not by desperately soliciting the praise or approval of others. I have no interest in developing empty, phony friendships or wasting my time indulging silly life dramas and gossip just to make nice. It is not that I am mean-spirited. It is that I am indifferent to it all. I couldn't care less and I don't feel the need to act like I do. My life is my life, and my life is equal to time and I don't trade my time (life) fir wasteful, meaningless experience.
I have incredible self-discipline and self-control. I am sure about what I decide and believe and I do not seek or need the advice of others to reach those conclusions. I do not make wrong moral choices. I am not modest about how I conduct myself in regard to all of these. This is off-putting to many people. I do not care. The world is very black and white to me. I know there cannot even be gray unless there were, first, the knowledge of what is black and white. Gray is middle of the road. Gray is wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Life does not work that way. I don't try to live it that way. I judge people, including myself -- HARD. I do not pull moral punches. If you are put-off by this, then what I have to bluntly state may not sit well with your stomach. Take some Alka-Seltzer or just simply leave.

I do not live my life second-handedly. I am not, first, interested in impressing others above making a lasting impression with my own life. I get my self-esteem from the inside, huge gobs of it, not by desperately soliciting the praise or approval of others. I have no interest in developing empty, phony friendships or wasting my time indulging silly life dramas and gossip just to make nice. It is not that I am mean-spirited. It is that I am indifferent to it all. I could care less and I don't feel the need to act like I do. My life is my life, and my life is equal to time and I don't trade my time (life) fir wasteful, meaningless experience.
I have incredible self-discipline and self-control. I am sure about what I decide and believe and I do not seek or need the advice of others to reach those conclusions. I do not make wrong moral choices. I am not modest about how I conduct myself in regard to all of these. This is off-putting to many people. I do not care. The world is very black and white to me. I know there cannot even be gray unless there were, first, the knowledge of what is black and white. Gray is middle of the road. Gray is wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Life does not work that way. I don't try to live it that way. I judge people, including myself -- HARD. I do not pull moral punches. If you are put-off by this, then what I have to bluntly state may not sit well with your stomach. Take some Alka-Seltzer or just simply leave.

Ha yeah what you say has no effect on me in any kind of negative way... it does not bother me one way or another if anything it opens my mind. And because I am willing to listen to others does not mean I need what they say to make a decission... My mind is made up but because I would like the respect of being allowed to get my point across I then too give them the chance as well... It has no effect on what I think, believe, or how I live my life. My life is my life and anyone can judge it but that is on them not me...

Ha yeah what you say has no effect on me in any kind of negative way... it does not bother me one way or another if anything it opens my mind. And because I am willing to listen to others does not mean I need what they say to make a decission...My mind is made up but because I would like the respect of being allowed to get my point across I then too give them the chance as well... It has no effect on what I think, believe, or how I live my life. My life is my life and anyone can judge it but that is on them not me...

I don't practice my philosophy of life or its principles, piecemeal.
MOTIVATION is a part of ALL that I do.

I don't practice my philosophy of life or its principles, piecemeal.
MOTIVATION is a part of ALL that I do.

I'm interested in what you mean by this? You don't practice your philosophy on others or in life in general? And as for motivation isn't that what everyone does through life... motivate themselves from one thing to another?

I'm interested in what you mean by this? You don't practice your philosophy on others or in life in general? And as for motivation isn't that what everyone does through life...motivate themselves from one thing to another?

I disagree that everyone motivates themselves from one thing to another. The motivation I speak of is going to a place within yourself, drumming up all the readiness, rage and explosiveness it takes to do what has to get done. Like morality and integrity, motivation cannot be half assed. You have to know and believe that you are the best and that each other one striking out to stand atop your mountain is your enemy. Being able to do that is more important than even the skills one has. Being UNCONQUERABLE.

Interesting... do u think everyone is fighting to get to the top of one mountain? I agree that motivation cannot be half assed because if it is then what is the point of "motivtion" but I also believe everyone has their own mountains to win over and the biggest enemy is ones self.

Ockham's Razor is a principle attributed to the 14th century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. In Latin this principle is expressed various ways: "ex parsimoniae" (law of succinctness); "entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" (entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity); "numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate" (never posit pluralities without necessity).
The term Razor refers to the act of "shaving away unnecessary assumptions" when explaining any phenomenon so to get at and then use the simplest explanation. All things being equal, the simplest explanation tends to be the best one, and also the onw most likely to be true; one should embrace the less complicated explanation.
I would like to add my own insight, which I have acquired through 35 years (to date) of unique life experience and serious introspective attention:

ONE'S FIRST GUT INSTINCT IS PURE REASON


My beliefs, inspiration, ideas, thoughts, critiques and opinions are delivered with the chunk removing force of a machete swung by a male who believes that, to chop off the unnecessary and get the job done right, the swing must be swung with a muscular, mighty follow through.
My Creator endowed me with naturally high testosterone levels an a very low tolerance for hypocrites, liars, enablers, piecemeal practice of principle, emasculated males, political correctness, and any other kind of oppressive, fantastical caca that doesn't work in the private backyard of my own individual life.
I am a "being" created with the ability to judge, so I do. I am also a male inspired by men who have held greater ideals and have done much greater things than any of us have who are living today, most notably Classical Heroes and America's Principled and Brilliant Founding Fathers.
I believe in lean, muscular wisdom without fat or wiggle(room) and hold today's intellectuals and their ideas to a times past standard of responsibility, integrity and commonsensem and brave, bold, stout manliness.

I must say 1099669 you are a very interesting person and I respect you for that you show valid points and knowledgeable facts... What you have said is food for thought.

Are we done?

What else can we discuss, I respect your thoughts

Haha well thank you... what else do you got? I am down for talking about anything...

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. What are your thoughts.

Wow um well I think war is a ridiculously ugly think I also think with better government and control the wholse situation can be controlled in a better manner... And I have never thought of the person not willing to fight and only caring about ones personal safety was the weaker one but now after seeing it worded how you did it is an admirable fact... I prefer not to think of myself as the weaker one but sometimes I question if I did something to better myself or to protect me from harm may it be rejection, dislike, etc...

Patrick Henry said something similar to this John Stewart Mill quote .

"Pacifists are among the most immoral of men - they make no distinction between aggression and defense. Therefore, pacifism is one of the greatest allies an aggressor can have." (Patrick Henry)

Hmmm... you would actually think pacifists would be the bigger burden not deciding between running and cowerding or standing strong and loyal... indecissiveness I believe is the route to evil.

The human being is the ultimate manifestation. Man's life is, potentially, the greatest, most magnificent thing. Man's challenge is to fulfill that achievable potential by living his life heroically. A heroic man disciplines himself physically and mentally as if a warrior preparing himself for the greatest of battles. He thinks and acts in the way of a warrior to guide, by an impeccable code of ethics, his choices and actions towards conquering life's challenge, ultimately.

Man behaving heroically warrior to be all of human. I believe every human's life has this heroic potential to always aspire, accomplish and achieve anything. The history of men and their worlds give us countless recorded examples of this over and over. Time and time again. It is these heroically distinguished courages and abilities that brings mankind its leaders. Leaders who change the course of the world. Humans who rise, warriorly, to life's meant-to-be-meaningful, challenge to become, humanly, the best they can be so as to contribute, in turn, only the best back into the world in which they live. Making it the best -- All it can Worldly be.

We don't live in a world like that anymore. We don't trust, with all we are, that we live amongst people who act like this anymore. We live in an anti-mind, anti-truth, anti-disciplined, ant-hero and anti-leader world. We live in an anti-warrior world.

The human being is faced with one basic alternative -- To exist or not exist, to live or die. With life comes this unavoidable challenge to survive. No human being, no living thing can evade it. Survive or cease to live. A second choice does not exist. Not on earth. This is the human being's challenge.

I totally agree with everything you just said... We have lost who we were born to be and now we fall short of it... We are greedy but then weak. We have misplaced our responsibilities... we are suppose to be givening and strong examples to society. We have become cowardly and it is a very sad sight to see so much potential lost to a world of nothing...

We don't live in a world like that anymore. We don't trust, with all we are, that we live amongst people who act like this anymore. We live in an anti-mind, anti-truth, anti-disciplined, ant-hero and anti-leader world. We live in an anti-warrior world.Wow North Carolina must suck. That's not what's it's like where I live. Maybe you should move.

Humankind faces the broader challenge on a collective scale. Humankind would cease to exist if its human beings did not do what it takes so that it can survive. Existence, itself, challenges humankind and its human beings. Both, humankind and the human being will only survive if they think -- because thought works -- then act -- because action works. Every human being is born armed with these two weapons. He must use his mind and he must use his musle. To survive he must use them.

When the absolute alternative is to exist or not exist, survival's only way is to follow the truth. The primary truth is that the life of a thing living is its most important thing. Nothing is more important than the life, for all else important only comes from having life in the first place. Without life, the concept of impotance can not be known. Only life gives meaning to importance. Nothing is more empowering than knowing the importance of your life. A conviction to the knowledge that life is the primary importance empowers that life which one has -- that life which one lives.

For when we understand there is nothing more important than life, we understand there is nothing more important than the self. If the self doesn't give itself what it needs to subsist, nothing can be given of it or from it. We must first make important owning our own life. To possess the importance of a life is to own it. To own it is to run it. Some people give up the running of it to others, therefore they give up the owning of it. Warriors do not give up the ownership of their life.

What does this have to do with reading a bible in school?

What does this have to do with reading a bible in school?

No one else was was commenting so the OP and I changed the topic...

Is that acceptable for you?

It's good with me if it's good with everyone else haha... we talked bible talk until we decided to change to something else :-)

What's next?

I don't think kids should read the bible. There's too much violence and sex in it!

I don't think kids should read the bible. There's too much violence and sex in it!

Did you read the bible when you were young?

Why is it that our children can't read a bible in school, but they can in prison?Hello 10:

Children can read the Bible in school all they want during their free time. There just isn't any ORGANIZED Bible reading. But, hold on. Pretty soon there will be a course on the Bible taught in your local public school.

Texas has ordered text books for the course and Texas sets the educational standards of the nation... I don't know why.

excon

Did you read the bible when you were young?

Mostly for the sexy parts... the catholic bible excludes "The Song of Solomon", because it's so sleazy. Fortunately, my big brother became a born again christian when I was thirteen, and he had a "King James" version. The violence is pretty horrendous, too.

I don't let my spiritual beliefs pull me around life by the nose. I use the Creator's gift that I am endowed with to deal effectively, successfully and happily with my life here on this Earth. I do not use the Creation of my life to make excusses; I use it as an empowerment. I don't pray for help; I pray for greater challenges. I didn't come into life owing anything to anyone and I certainly don't owe anything to anybody who will not use their OWN incredible Creation of life to do for themselves. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ORIGINAL SIN. Morality for me does not come from a Bible; it comes from the nature of the being I am Created. After all, HE Created us just as we are long before the Bible was created

Morality for me does not come from a Bible;

That's great news! Shouldn't bother you that youngsters aren't reading it in school, then. There's enough violence on t.v. without immersing them in yet more.

Hello 10:

Children can read the Bible in school all they want during their free time. There just isn't any ORGANIZED Bible reading. But, hold on. Pretty soon there will be a course on the Bible taught in your local public school.

Texas has ordered text books for the course and Texas sets the educational standards of the nation... I dunno why.

excon

You are aware, aren't you, that those Bible courses are ELECTIVE? And they only deal with literature and history.

As to why the Texas schoolbooks set standards, it is because we buy so many of them.

The argument over the Bible in school is merely a symptom of the revolution that is being waged in this country.

There is a minority here that wants to change our SECULAR government into an ATHEISTIC one.

Secular of course is NEUTRAL to religion while Atheist is anti-God, anti-Bible, and particularly anti-Christ.

That's great news! Shouldn't bother you that youngsters aren't reading it in school, then. There's enough violence on t.v. without immersing them in yet more.

So let me get this straight:

You'd rather have your kids emersed in the sight and surround-sound influence of the sexuality and violence of modern popular TV and film and video games and music than let them read a bible?

And you don't think that's a little backward?

Here's a thought:

I have seen lots of cases of "copycat violence" where kids or young adults have hurt people copying what they say in a film or TV show. One of the more famous cases was the case of the kids who lied down in the middle of a street and were run over by a truck when they copied a popular film in which the football team (I think) did the same thing. But there are many similar cases where violence from TV was acted out in real life.

I have never actually seen any kid commit an act of violence or sexuality because they were copying a scene from the bible. There's been a lot of violent acts committed in history over religion and religious belief, I'll be the first to admit. But I have never actually seen a case of violence via copying a scene from the Bible.

I question your conclusion in this case, friend.

Elliot

So let me get this straight:

You'd rather have your kids emersed in the sight and surround-sound influence of the sexuality and violence of modern popular TV and film and video games and music than let them read a bible?

And you don't think that's a little backward?

Here's a thought:

I have seen lots of cases of "copycat violence" where kids or young adults have hurt people copying what they say in a film or TV show. One of the more famous cases was the case of the kids who lied down in the middle of a street and were run over by a truck when they copied a popular film in which the football team (I think) did the same thing. But there are many similar cases where violence from TV was acted out in real life.

I have never actually seen any kid comit an act of violence or sexuality because they were copying a scene from the bible. There's been a lot of violent acts committed in history over religion and religious belief, I'll be the first to admit. But I have never actually seen a case of violence via copying a scene from the Bible.

I question your conclusion in this case, friend.

Elliot

You're twisting my words. I don't think kids should be exposed to violence. The bible is chock full of nastiness- why expose them to it?

I'd much rather see them reading math and English books than a bible. Let them read their bible at home with you. Same goes for every other religion. Get it out of my face. Im not interested.

EDIT: I'm fine with children having Bible's at school in their bag. No problem at all. Just leave it out of class. There are more pertinent things that require to be learned at school in my opinion.

How much do you protect them from life, entertainment and the media if that is they way you look at it?

Kids can still always have their bible at school, but can not use it during organised class time. *** unless there are comparative religion classes or bible as part of history or culture classes which are allowed.

But during breaks between classes, they are even allowed to have organised after school programs.

So the idea that they are not allowed is completely false.

I can have my bible at work, but can't read it during working hours.
An inmate in prison can have a bible but can't read it during his work, his school or other duty times either

Quote: 1099669, I would like to add my own insight, which I have acquired through 35 years (to date) of unique life experience and serious introspective attention:

ONE'S FIRST GUT INSTINCT IS PURE REASON


My beliefs, inspiration, ideas, thoughts, critiques and opinions are delivered with the chunk removing force of a machete swung by a male who believes that, to chop off the unnecessary and get the job done right, the swing must be swung with a muscular, mighty follow through.
My Creator endowed me with naturally high testosterone levels an a very low tolerance for hypocrites, liars, enablers, piecemeal practice of principle, emasculated males, political correctness, and any other kind of oppressive, fantastical caca that doesn't work in the private backyard of my own individual life.
I am a "being" created with the ability to judge, so I do. I am also a male inspired by men who have held greater ideals and have done much greater things than any of us have who are living today, most notably Classical Heroes and America's Principled and Brilliant Founding Fathers.
I believe in lean, muscular wisdom without fat or wiggle(room) and hold today's intellectuals and their ideas to a times past standard of responsibility, integrity and commonsensem and brave, bold, stout manliness.[/QUOTE]


MY FIRST GUT INSTINCT IS ALWAYS EMOTION. Being female, I demonstrate stout manliness poorly. Being "emasculated" allows me to love you, even when I think that if your penis, testicles and half of your brain were removed you might be qualified to watch my children.

The attitude you present is what I warn my kids against. You're so full of ego you have dissociated yourself from your connection with the world. If you thought fuzzily, against your will, would you kill yourself for being less than an exalted human?

Just asking.

Oh, and everything is a shade of gray. When you can grasp that with your logical black and white mind, I'll be happy for you. Actually, I'm happy for you right now too.

How much do you protect them from life, entertainment and the media if that is they way you look at it?

Is that aimed at me? If so I don't know what your talking about. Nothing to do with protecting them from anything. They can make their own decisions when they are ready.

Kids can still always have thier bible at school, but can not use it during organised class time. *** unless there are comparitive religion classes or bible as part of history or culture classes which are allowed.

But during breaks between classes, they are even allowed to have organised after school programs.

So the idea that they are not allowed is completely false.

I can have my bible at work, but can't read it during working hours.
An inmate in prison can have a bible but can't read it during his work, his school or other duty times either

Well said Father.

Piece by piece our liberties have been stripped from us. We had it all. The richest country in the world with our way of life. The envy of nations- and now.. look.. it sickens me. This bible issue is just one more thing. I am not a bible thumper by any means, but having God up front and recognized in schools was a great thing. A moral compass. And now.. don't get caught singing Christmas carols.. I'll stop here because I know this is completely pointless and I'll only get myself angry by continuing. Maybe I should have opened by saying:

Piece by piece we sold off and gave away our liberties. ..The piper is coming to collect boys and girls..

Lashercelt,

Who is the piper, exactly? Do non-Christians have no moral compass? Sure, everyone's God should be up front in their lives. But choosing which God it must be is a large part of what has brought anti-God legislation to schools.

Hi Simone,

I wasn't suggesting that non-Christians have no moral compass. That's obviously not true. My point was that having that in place as a standard to hold one's self up to worked quite well. The choice of which God is not a choice at all as there is only ONE. Only now that we are so run over by clashing cultures/beliefs is it NOT OK for our children to pray after the Pledge in the morning at school as it used to be.

I understand you are saying not everyone believes the same. I respect that. To each his own. But can you imagine trying to force down the throat of any Muslim country the American way of life or Christian beliefs? There is NO way it would be tolerated if I tried to move a Muslim country and implement Christmas as a holiday and did what I could to do away with how many times a day they kneel and pray. Or if I rallied in the streets about the rights of Americans in THEIR country. Actual, being a woman, I would probably be killed or at least deported.

It comes down to this country having been founded by God fearing men and the fact that it worked for a long time. Now with the influx of so many alien beliefs that are catered to- it's all been lost somewhere.

**I used a Muslim country as my example because Islamic symbols was brought up in another post.. I do NOT need endless comments back to me from users disagreeing with my choice of which country to use to make my point**

--ugh! See.. how ridiculous that I even need to say that, but if I don't the PM's will be endless.

That makes sense to me. But when you state that, "the choice of which God is not a choice at all because there is only ONE," the Muslims would disagree with you. Their God is the only one, Allah. Are they right? Are you wrong?

The point you bring up about this country (the USA?) being founded by God fearing men. Were they? Were they Christians? There is some debate about that. It did work for a long time. What worked though, and why?

If I attend public school and they insist, (or treat me like I don't fit in if I refuse) that I pray to the Christian God isn't that a form of control? Having choices is what keeps us sane. Having our choices dictated by someone who we disagree with is something we can vote on, I guess.

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-christianrepublic.htm

Only now that we are so run over by clashing cultures/beliefs is it NOT ok for our children to pray after the Pledge in the morning at school as it used to be.
Hello L:

It used to be that black children couldn't go to school with whites. Do you want to go back?

excon

You're twisting my words. I don't think kids should be exposed to violence. The bible is chock full of nastiness- why expose them to it?

Then I expect that you will keep them away from TV and movies and popular music as well for the same reasons... they are chock-full of nastiness. Why expose them to it?

As to why we should expose them to the bible, the Bible does have lessons about morality, right and wrong, good and evil, personal responsibility, responsibility to society, understanding consequences of our actions, obeying G-d, finding a connection with something spiritual, and other good moral values. Even within the stories of violence and "nastiness", there are important lessons to be learned.

Whereas TV, movies and popular music have... sex, drugs, violence, and bigotry. Not much else.

If I had to choose popular culture or the Bible, I'd choose the bible.

And if I let my kids watch TV, I'd CERTAINLY want to offset some of that damage by teaching them some of the Bible's lessons.

As it is, my kids generally don't watch TV. The videos they watch are screened by me or my wife first, and generally have family themes or religious themes. And they go to private religious schools where they get Bible studies as well as secular studies. And I study Bible and other religious works with them.

If I had to choose between the violence of the Bible or the violence of modern pop-culture, I'd choose the Bible. In essence I HAVE made that choice.

Elliot

Hello L:

It used to be that black children couldn't go to school with whites. Do you wanna go back?

excon

I am not saying there weren't problems, but anyone with eyes & ears and any sense at all can plainly see that we were better off before than we are now. We are in the middle of a mess that is only getting worse by the day.

So, to answer you: Yes, I'll take a seat on that "rewind" train. I would rather work on the problems of that time than the insurmountable issues of late.

Hello L:

It used to be that black children couldn't go to school with whites. Do you wanna go back?

exconLook at his answer above and look at his signature:
*Love yourself, Love your family and friends, Love your race*

That's what you're dealing with.

Hello again, L:

I'm not too much different than you - except the things that I think changed us for the worse are probably not the things you think did it...

I used to think that once we SOLVED a problem, we'd never have to visit it again, and we could move on to OTHER pressing issues. But, that ISN'T what we do... We solve a problem, then throw away the solution and start over...

Take juvenile justice, for example... Somewhere along the line, we figured out that treating kids like adults didn't work, so we set up an entire justice system just for them... PROBLEM SOLVED!

But, wait... Along comes people who apparently didn't remember the past. They said kids should be punished like adults... And, that's what happened...

So, if you ask ME what's wrong, I'd say it's too many people in jail. I'll bet you'd say there are not enough.

excon

Wow.. way to judge me.. humorous, simple minded NeedKarma.

First NeedKarma.. I am a woman.. NOT a man.. was it not obvious by the hot pink my puppy is wearing or the hot pink writing in which my tag line is written?. and what does my tag line say that makes you feel the need to say, "That's what you're dealing with?" And what exactly is it that you find wrong with my answer?

Excon: You also assumed you knew my way of thinking, but you are WRONG. There are far too many people in jail/prison. Prison is a revolving door of big business. I feel that the system is set up so that when someone is released they are at a high risk to reoffend. People go to jail/prison for ridiculous charges such as drug use. If you rob a store and are high on crack you should go to jail for the robbery but why are there other charges because you were on crack? It's absurd and it's all about money.

And to be clear~ I don't believe a child should ever be charged as an adult.. isn't the point that they ARE children? Ludicrous!

So then, boys.. maybe next time you can reserve your judgement until you have all the facts?

Hello again, L:

I DID assume that someone who thought god should be in the classroom would be consistent with others who shared that same belief.

My bad.

excon

excon: Thanks for the, "My Bad" :)

And to be clear: I'd never side with or go along just because someone might have the same belief system I do. I've never been accused of being one of the SHEEPLE or been afraid to stand alone on a soapbox. I speak my own thoughts and will listen to and agree with anyone like minded, not go along blindly because someone looks like me or prays to the same God.

Thanks for answering back. I've read some of your other posts and you come off as intelligent and truly aware of what's going on. You're a good read.:D

Have a great day!

Then I expect that you will keep them away from TV and movies and popular music as well for the same reasons... they are chock-full of nastiness. Why expose them to it?

As to why we should expose them to the bible, the Bible does have lessons about morality, right and wrong, good and evil, personal responsibility, responsibility to society, understanding consequences of our actions, obeying G-d, finding a connection with something spiritual, and other good moral values. Even within the stories of violence and "nastiness", there are important lessons to be learned.

Whereas TV, movies and popular music have... sex, drugs, violence, and bigotry. Not much else.

If I had to choose popular culture or the Bible, I'd choose the bible.

And if I let my kids watch TV, I'd CERTAINLY want to offset some of that damage by teaching them some of the Bible's lessons.

As it is, my kids generally don't watch TV. The videos they watch are screened by me or my wife first, and generally have family themes or religious themes. And they go to private religious schools where they get Bible studies as well as secular studies. And I study Bible and other religious works with them.

If I had to choose between the violence of the Bible or the violence of modern pop-culture, I'd choose the Bible. In essence I HAVE made that choice.

Elliot

You seem really stuck on violence in the media, and seem to believe that I condone that. I don't watch t.v. I only listen to "talk" radio. Capiche? I don't approve of violence, anywhere. Nada.

It only makes sense that parents and guardians would want to shield their children from the attempted child sacrifice, rape, gathering of enemies fore-skins, throwing one's virgin daughter to be raped by hordes of evil men, mass murder, punishment of rape victims and general blood-letting and mayhem that is so often featured in the bible.

You seem really stuck on violence in the media, and seem to believe that I condone that. I don't watch t.v. I only listen to "talk" radio. Capiche? I don't approve of violence, anywhere. Nada.

It only makes sense that parents and guardians would want to shield their children from the attempted child sacrifice, rape, gathering of enemies fore-skins, throwing one's virgin daughter to be raped by hordes of evil men, mass murder, punishment of rape victims and general blood-letting and mayhem that is so often featured in the bible.

The Bible is a record of men and events, whether good or bad.

So you obviously don't want your children to study secular history either.

You know, things like the holocaust, our Revolutionary War, our Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, the rigimes of Joe Stalin, A. Hitler, Pol Pot, the slaughter of innocent civilians in the Twin Towers, and on and on.

We learn from the history of the Bible, just as we do from other histories. At least, we had BETTER learn.

Hello L:

It used to be that black children couldn't go to school with whites. Do you wanna go back?

excon

Ex, please explain how the two issues relate? What did a Bible verse at the beginning of classtime have to do with segregation?

The black schools did the same thing.

You seem really stuck on violence in the media, and seem to believe that I condone that. I don't watch t.v. I only listen to "talk" radio. Capiche? I don't approve of violence, anywhere. Nada.

Good. Then I respect the fact that you aren't being hypocritical as many anti-bible people tend to be. Very good.


It only makes sense that parents and guardians would want to shield their children from the attempted child sacrifice, rape, gathering of enemies fore-skins, throwing one's virgin daughter to be raped by hordes of evil men, mass murder, punishment of rape victims and general blood-letting and mayhem that is so often featured in the bible.

Sure. It is natural to want to protect a child from such things.

But what about lessons of morality, of the triumph of good over evil, of morality, of love, sacrifice, community values, personal responsibility... are all of these things that you want to "protect your child from" as well?

Do you actually see nothing of value in the Bible?

Just wondering.

Elliot

The Bible is a record of men and events, whether good or bad.

So you obviously don't want your children to study secular history either.

You know, things like the holocaust, our Revolutionary War, our Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, the rigimes of Joe Stalin, A. Hitler, Pol Pot, the slaughter of innocent civilians in the Twin Towers, and on and on.

We learn from the history of the Bible, just as we do from other histories. At least, we had BETTER learn.

Good point.

I'm pretty history lessons in school don't contain this content: The Dark Bible: Contents (http://nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/DarkBibleContents.htm)

I am not saying there weren't problems, but anyone with eyes & ears and any sense at all can plainly see that we were better off before than we are now.
Were you alive back then? I was. I would not revisit that era.

So, to answer you: Yes, I'll take a seat on that "rewind" train. I would rather work on the problems of that time than the insurmountable issues of late.
But no one thought anything was wrong back then.

If you could go back to those years, what three things would you work on?