The Savvy Sista: Video: Tyra Banks' Skin Bleaching Show (http://www.the-savvy-sista.com/2008/09/video-tyra-banks-skin-bleaching-show.html)
Before I start this message I'm not trying to preach to anyone one so don't reply with crap like" who are you to say not use hydroquinone this is just my opinon on the way see things" thanks.
This is for anyone who hasn't seen the tyra banks show skin bleaching issue please this seriously in fact watch it again if you have already seen it
I am lucky that I have not fallen in to the trap of bleaching with hydroquinone other topical steroids I was so close I went to the doctor I have got a fungal infection from using bio claire if you had adverse reaction of dy skin strecth marks and burning from bleaching when you started you had in infection and if youv'e been bleaching for years []your skin is damaged this is what I have been told by a experienced BLACK doctor , please bleach yourself safely yeah you may look all beyonce and ish now but if you get of skin cancer or if you get glucoma or even a broken viens you most definantely will regret it if any of you guys have kids would you want to fuk up their skin like that crazy lady in this video ?I know I woudn't dream of it plese don't carry this message that light is better sometimes I look at these boards and people are like praise lightness and want to erase everything and they think there light skin is more beautiul it makes very dark skin girls like me feel that I could be prettier if I was lighter and stuff like that I know there are adults on this website and they should be setting a good example but you know one day I am going to aprecite how my skin tone looks after all skin lightning is'nt permanent unless its damaged. Azelaic acid 20% which is recently studied to be as good as hydroquione 2% sometimes even 4% is a good alternative it is also avalible in the UK so it's a good option for me but for now I am going to work on focusing on myself and stop being superficial and hopefully get good results with azelaic acid and maybe not bother using azelaic acid what's the point eh I don't have money anyway lol all I know is never evr use harsh stuff.plse

I agree nobody can say ''who are you to say to me... ''
It is important that people learn what works and what is a scam.
I am hoping somebody goes through all these posts and does a sticky of what is bad and what is reputable.

I think you should stop worrying about what other people do and what other people think. And focus on yourself. I know for a fact that skin color matters in this world. Because I have lived life as a dark skinned girl. And now I'm living life as a lighter skinned girl... Same facial features. Different skin tone. The way I get treated is remarkably different. Do I think dark skin is beautiful? Hell yes. Does the majority of the world feel this way? No. Do SOME people feel this way. Yes. There are some people that can see beauty in all shades. And I wish that's how everyone thought. But unfortunately... It's not. So. I'm forced to adapt. I'm a beauty queen and I'll do what it takes to win. And if bleaching my skin is part of the regimen. Then so be it. Plus men like me more this color. I suggest you do what makes you happy.

I think you should stop worrying about what other people do and what other people think. And focus on yourself. I know for a fact that skin color matters in this world. Because I have lived life as a dark skinned girl. And now I'm living life as a lighter skinned girl.... Same facial features. Different skin tone. The way I get treated is remarkably different. Do I think dark skin is beautiful? Hell yes. Does the majority of the world feel this way? No. Do SOME people feel this way. Yes. there are some people that can see beauty in all shades. And I wish that's how everyone thought. But unfortunately.... It's not. So. I'm forced to adapt. I'm a beauty queen and I'll do what it takes to win. And if bleaching my skin is part of the regimen. Then so be it. Plus men like me more this color. I suggest you do what makes you happy.

Your post makes me want to lighten my skin "men like me more this color" you know what the only guys who holla at me are losers lol and all the sexi ones all go 2 lighter chicks or white girls I felt like I wanted to lightn mi skin for boys, boys so so stupid to but honest it's kind of riduculouslike my friend said to me "your lightening your skin for mandem your pathetic!" so Brownd did you lighten your skin just to be "prettier" and get attention from boys because it seems like it by you metioning that you wer a pagent queen why could'nt you of one the competition being a dark skinned person I know society puts light skin on pedastal so that's probably why you lighten your skin but just because society says this doesn't make it right we can't let tis bullish go on any longer I know you think dark skin and light are beautiful it sounds your making it a double standard for yourself your and your specific life area needs. It's a bit contradiction if lighten your skin to be beauty queen.

The Savvy Sista: Video: Tyra Banks' Skin Bleaching Show (http://www.the-savvy-sista.com/2008/09/video-tyra-banks-skin-bleaching-show.html)
Before I start this message I'm not trying to preach to anyone one so dnt reply with crap like" who are you to say not use hydroquinone this is just my opinon on the way see things" thx.
this is for anyone who hasn't seen the tyra banks show skin bleaching issue please this seriously in fact watch it again if you have already seen it
I am lucky that I have not fallen in to the trap of bleaching with hydroquinone other topical steriods I was so close I went to the doctor I have got a fungal infection from using bio claire if you had adverse reaction of dy skin strecth marks and burning from bleaching when you started you had in infection and if youv'e been bleaching for years []your skin is damaged this is what I have been told by a experienced BLACK doctor , please bleach yourself safely yeah you may look all beyonce and ish now but if you get of skin cancer or if you get glucoma or even a broken viens u most definantely will regret it if any of you guys have kids would you wanna fuk up their skin like that crazy lady in this video ?I know i woudn't dream of it plese dnt carry this message that light is better sometimes I look at these boards and people are like praise lightness and want to erase everything and they think there light skin is more beautiul it makes very dark skin girls like me feel that I could be prettier if I was lighter and stuff like that I know ther are adults on this website and they should be setting a good example but u know one day I am going to aprecite how my skin tone looks after all skin lightning is'nt permanent unless its damaged. azelaic acid 20% which is recently studied to be as good as hydroquione 2% sometimes even 4% is a good alternative it is also avalible in the UK so it's a good option for me but for now I am gonna work on focusing on myself and stop being superficial and hopefully get good results with azelaic acid and maybe not bother using azelaic acid whats the point eh I dnt have money anyway lol all I know is never evr use harsh stuff.plse

I agree with you to a certain extent, I know women who have bleached for years and damaged their skin, the problem is that some people don't know when to stop or get greedy with chemicals, it all depends. I personally hated that episode, because TYRA is a hypocrite, I sure she uses more NATURAL expensive bleaching products to keep her skin like that. If you notice most black stars even Tyra look way lighter now than they did before they hit big, why has she not talked about WHITE women tanning or even how she wears blond front lace wigs( I know she did a show on natural hair) but I have never seen her wear her hair KINKY, when you look at episodes that use an objective standard, she made her money by exposing and in my opinion exploiting BLACK women on that show, although she talked about the bad she did not talk about the good things that products can do for women who have like uneven skin, or darker areas that need toning, I liked her until I started noticing little subliminal things she does as far as the black community is concerned.

Thanks Chocobrownie for your post. WoW, I didn't know they can cause infection, what kind of infection and what did your Dr. tell you how to fix it? Now bio claire is really becoming exposed more and more... and I'm beginning to hate it now. You say azelaic acid 20% can work as good as hydroquione 2% or 4%?

I know how it feels to not be light and being mistreated over the years because I'm brown, what was said and done to me was not fair nor was it right. It discusted me on how many of the black men treat the brown and dark brown women and praise lighter tone women. Why not treat all the same? It discusted me to the point that I became permanently turned off with most black american men because of how I was treated and how shallow they were. So, I nolonger have anything to do with them to this day. Even after I had lightened and the tables turned for me and they treated me differently, I was even more turned off with them... I know all are not that way.. but Most definitely are. And many may think how dare I think that way.

When I had lightened, how I was later treated was also completely different and that it had caught me by surprise. It is very sad on how colorism affects the community and our self-identity, and is more like a silent dictator. Yes, all shades are definitely beautiful. Many of the light try to get dark and many dark try to get light is proof to show all colors should be embraced. This was my personal choice, I would never advice anyone that they should lighten their skin. Everyone has the right to be happy and we should find what that happiness is.

It is the same with relaxing/perming the hair and bleaching the hair, all textures are beautiful. But, society strongly discriminates what they can not understand. I agree, I liked Tyra Banks as a model, but when she opened her mouth and had shown how shallow she really was my view changed. I agree Divaforlyfe, Tyra definitely makes profit from exposing the weaknesses of brown people but does not expose everyone's weaknesses because she know she would go bankrupt. It is true she had 2 rhynoplasty nose jobs, wears blond straight remy lace wigs, and has lightened her skin so she is a big hypocrite... the evidence is in the photos. If someone wishes to avoid these things they have my respect. People should not judge a book by it's cover, but unfortunately they do and not only do they judge they persecute too. This is a challenging topic. Chocobrownie if you wish not to lighten, you have my respect and I understand your choice as you should embrace your decision and the skin your in. It does take a very strong person to avoid these things so I will not admit I am the strongest, I have my weaknesses too.

Yes I agree diva 4 life tyra is a hypocrite the focus isn't supposed to be about how much of a sellout she is its about the black community and these false ideolgies of lighter skin. Who cares what tyra is doing with herself she a fool lol , lke most people who r famous exploiting blacks n embracing whites light skin people r light skin people and you r you this message goes to anyone trying to be something there not if you really had confidence then would try and be you if your whole apreance is a lie then it can never be true , I think everyone in the lightning board should opt for natural skin lightning instead of killing our pigment away lets live fufulling and prosporous lives and live longer and stop this inhuman mental self absorbing practice (for people with no skin disorders)

Yes, natural is much more safer, I use a mix of both right now as I am still searching for quality products that will work, affordable, and won't give me bad reaction. But either way, lightening is still lightening either way we see it, naturally or unnaturally. It is still embracing the fact to lighten and alter one's skin only in a safer way. Unless one's goal is to only remove scars, blemishes, vitilago, etc. But if the goal is to lighten in shades, the main purpose is still the same... to change and alter one's original appearance. But, if you are able to find something that really works, natural, and affordable definitely let me know.

Your post makes me want to lighten my skin "men like me more this color" u know what the only guys who holla at me r losers lol and all the sexi ones all go 2 lighter chicks or white girls i felt like i wanted to lightn mi skin for boys, boys so so stupid to but honest it's kind of riduculouslike my friend said to me "your lightening your skin for mandem your pathetic!" so Brownd did you lighten your skin just to be "prettier" and get attention from boys cos it seems like it by you metioning that you wer a pagent queen why could'nt you of one the competion being a dark skinned person I know society puts light skin on pedastal so thats probably why you lighten your skin but just because society says this doesn't make it right we can't let tis bullish go on any longer I know you think dark skin and light r beautiful it sounds your making it a double standard for yourself your and your specific life area needs. its a bit contradiction if lighten your skin to be beauty queen.

All that I am trying to say is that I think brown skin is BEAUTIFUL. But society doesn't. And yes. I do want positive attention from guys. And that's what they like. I won't deny that being one of the reasons. I also want to win beauty pageants. And sometimes being lighter helps sometimes it doesn't. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. But it makes me happy. That's all that matters.

Thanks Chocobrownie for your post. WoW, I didn't know they can cause infection, what kind of infection and what did your Dr. tell you how to fix it? Now bio claire is really becoming exposed more and more...and I'm beginning to hate it now. You say azelaic acid 20% can work as good as hydroquione 2% or 4%?

I know how it feels to not be light and being mistreated over the years because I'm brown, what was said and done to me was not fair nor was it right. It discusted me on how many of the black men treat the brown and dark brown women and praise lighter tone women. Why not treat all the same? It discusted me to the point that I became permanently turned off with most black american men because of how I was treated and how shallow they were. So, I nolonger have anything to do with them to this day. Even after I had lightened and the tables turned for me and they treated me differently, I was even more turned off with them...I know all are not that way..but Most definitely are. And many may think how dare I think that way.

When I had lightened, how I was later treated was also completely different and that it had caught me by surprise. It is very sad on how colorism affects the community and our self-identity, and is more like a silent dictator. Yes, all shades are definitely beautiful. Many of the light try to get dark and many dark try to get light is proof to show all colors should be embraced. This was my personal choice, I would never advice anyone that they should lighten their skin. Everyone has the right to be happy and we should find what that happiness is.

It is the same with relaxing/perming the hair and bleaching the hair, all textures are beautiful. But, society strongly discriminates what they can not understand. I agree, I liked Tyra Banks as a model, but when she opened her mouth and had shown how shallow she really was my view changed. I agree Divaforlyfe, Tyra definitely makes profit from exposing the weaknesses of brown people but does not expose everyone's weaknesses because she know she would go bankrupt. It is true she had 2 rhynoplasty nose jobs, wears blond straight remy lace wigs, and has lightened her skin so she is a big hypocrite...the evidence is in the photos. If someone wishes to avoid these things they have my respect. People should not judge a book by it's cover, but unfortunately they do and not only do they judge they persecute too. This is a challenging topic. Chocobrownie if you wish not to lighten, you have my respect and I understand your choice as you should embrace your decision and the skin your in. It does take a very strong person to avoid these things so I will not admit I am the strongest, I have my weaknesses too.


You're being so honest. In every single way. And I used to LOVE the Tyra banks show. Until she started becoming so hypocritical and judgmental. And it is true, she does profit off the insecurities of black women (so does Tyler Perry... But that's for another topic). And yeah. About black men now being attracted to me now that I'm lighter and I have curly Indian Remy hair sewn into my head. It's kind of sad. Because my features are EXACTLY the same. They just wouldn't give them the time of day because they were in dark skin. I once went out with this guy that said he wouldn't have dated me if I was darker than him... I don't know about African American men sometimes. It's like I worked so hard to be considered beautiful. And now that I've reached beauty... In their eyes... (Light skin)... I'm beginning to realize that the majority of them were not even worth it in the first place.

So true Brown Deciet. It used to bother me a lot of how most black men can be so shallow, it just permanently turned me off. They don't care about beauty, they care about the symbolism in society and allow society to dictate their thoughts. I remember looking up to Tyra Banks so much when she was just doing her modelling, but then when she opened her mouth on her modelling show... and then opened her even wider on her talk show I noticed she just wants to please the crowds and she is very shallow as well and a hypocrite to everybody, as no one should trust her because she just wants her ratings. And about Tyler Perry... if I did not know any better it would be easy to believe his stereotypical portrayals, I don't find him amusing, I find him insulting.

So whatever person's happiness maybe, then they should seek it. Because people are going to judge anyway, regardless.

Lets talk about this
- Tyra Banks lightens her skin. Obviously to get more westernized beautiful. She wears wigs.. WHy is that OK ? If she loves her GOD GIFTED SKIN then why doesn't she love her GOD GIFTED HAIR ?
- Naomi Campbell was SUPER DARK as an upcoming model. Today she is startlingly LIGHTER. Not as light as Tyra but considering she started much DARKER than Tyra, she has still gone Lighter. She is literally Bald in the front wears wigs to conform to western beauty. She talks about how she wants more BLACK models on the ramp whereas eveyrone knows she used to make Black girls lives during her times of reign - absolutely miserable! She is YET ANOTHER HYPOCRITE who denies she lightened and talks about how being darker is OH SO BEAUTIFUL
- Latoya Jackson has used products that have made her WHITE during some years and now she is light yellow. She wears ATROCIOUS wigs and in an interview lashed out against her brother Michael stating that people should see his talent and not what he has done to himself. Well WHY NOT ? Why did he induce vitiligo in himself in the first place? Why did she lighten in the second place ? Because they both wanted to conform to WESTERN beauty standards.
- Every time someone gets lighter, we try using the moral code stating our colour is beautiful! But actually in our hearts we are JEALOUS. The browns and the blacks get JEALOUS because someone of their own race has EDGED them out and will get more attention. The WHITES get jealous because they feel they are being caught up with!
- OH PLEASE, whenever people say LOVE YOUR SKIN, I wish to give them ONE TIGHT SLAP. If they really love their skin then be happy in it.. Don't preach others! Everyone does what they wish to and will continue to do so to keep themselves happy !

- Most Pakistani Girls contrary to what people believe are NOT AS FAIR as you think they are. They are usually lighter brown and NOT the YEllow tone they have ( I am not talking about all , but sixty percent have light brown colour and not yellow light tones ). They use MERCURY related products and lighten up so drastically and then talk about how Indians are darker than them. Well hello? As far as I know the Indian Muslims are ALSO the same race - no matter how much Pakistanis pretend that they are not! And although there are many ( albeit a smaller ratio) of Very light Indian and Pakistani girls and boys, most are in the light brown category . The only difference is in India the darker public exists more.

- Based on all this, HOW CAN PEOPLE SAY be happy in your own skin? Everyone wants to edge everyone out and trussme colour really helps doing that ! SO WHY NOT ?

While it isn't untrue that a few get ADVERSE reactions to Skin creams, it is also true that many get BRILLIANT LIGHTENING and pretend to have it as their original colour all their life!

Tyra is a LIAR of the first order and so is Naomi and the list of Asian people who lighten their skin and then demotivate others into NOT DOING SO! Its all about feeling superior according to me. If you feel lighter no matter how much better the features of a black or asian girl is in comparison to you, YOU STILL FEEL SUPERIOR TO THEM!

That is human NATURE and that Won't CHANGE. So in short everyone lightening has a RIGHT TO MAKE THEMSELVES HAPPY.. Tyra can go continue using her expensive lightening creams and discourage others from doing so. No body should really give a DAMN about what she says!

Take this test.

1) Take a white child / black child / brown child in front of a beautiful BLACK WOMAN , a brown skinned asian woman and a normally attractive WHITE WOMAN with blue eyes.

I promise you the response you will see is shocking. THE CHILD will automatically respond to the WHITE girl or the LIGHT YELLOW BEAUTIFUL TONE.. No matter how much more beautiful that Black woman is in comparison to the other two, the child will NOT give her attention.

Try this with a Black child, try it with a WHITE child.. You just have to see it to believe it!

And mind you, when a child is like two years old or three years old NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE tells them about racism and colour preferences. It just come AUTOMATICALLY !

So in short, we have made conventional norms of beauty WESTERN because it Naturally has been a colour people are in awe of. It has NOTHING TO DO with the media ALONE.. who everyone accuses to create this bias. The media highlights simply what existed a thousand years ago and EVEN NOW!

Iranians and Iraqis were well known to use PURE HYDROQUINONE on their skins to keep it WHITE... This was a hundred or more years ago we are talking about. Before that the race used to be darker.

And usage of the lightening treatments by every single individual during those times created GENETIC MUTATIONS which went down into offsprings and they were born LIGHT SKINNED.. I have read this somewhere on the internet before... If someone wants to read it go googling. It took a lot of time to search and I won't be able to reproduce this statement. So if you can't find it Don't BELIEVE ME.. But I saw it and I know its true thereby.

WHen everyone loves being lighter what on earth is wrong to want to be lighter yourself ?

Extremely unfair on the part of people who discourage others. Simply not done !

Take this test.

1) Take a white child / black child / brown child in front of a beautiful BLACK WOMAN , a brown skinned asian woman and a normally attractive WHITE WOMAN with blue eyes.

I promise you the response you will see is shocking. THE CHILD will automatically respond to the WHITE girl or the the LIGHT YELLOW BEAUTIFUL TONE.. No matter how much more beautiful that Black woman is in comparison to the other two, the child will NOT give her attention.

Try this with a Black child, try it with a WHITE child.. You just have to see it to believe it!

And mind you, when a child is like two years old or three years old NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE tells them about racism and colour preferences. It just come AUTOMATICALLY !

So in short, we have made conventional norms of beauty WESTERN because it Naturally has been a colour people are in awe of. It has NOTHING TO DO with the media ALONE.. who everyone accuses to create this bias. The media highlights simply what existed a thousand years ago and EVEN NOW!

Iranians and Iraqis were well known to use PURE HYDROQUINONE on their skins to keep it WHITE... This was a hundred or more years ago we are talking about. Before that the race used to be darker.

And usage of the lightening treatments by every single individual during those times created GENETIC MUTATIONS which went down into offsprings and they were born LIGHT SKINNED.. I have read this somewhere on the internet before... If someone wants to read it go googling. It took a lot of time to search and I wont be able to reproduce this statement. So if you can't find it DONT BELIEVE ME.. But I saw it and I know its true thereby.

WHen everyone loves being lighter what on earth is wrong to want to be lighter urself ?

Extremely unfair on the part of people who discourage others. Simply not done !


Are you saying that people are naturally attracted to white people and white skin? Without any brainwashing? If so... You need prayer.

Brown Deceit. I am just stating what I know as true.

Myself as a kid, I used to cringeee at dark skinned people - me myself being a ligher yellow tone then BUT STILL A COLOURED PERSON.

No one in my family ever said a thing about colours then to me. I even felt superior to my sister and brother who were shades darker to me. I never said it but I felt it.

Today when my family members have babies, I notice how they cringe the very same way at really dark people.

As a kid I used to find black people not goodlooking and I used to actually get a little scared and run away fro them ( please do not take this in a wrong sense. I am just telling you how it was)

But once I grew older I actually noticed how some of them are much better faced than white people. But I am a grown man now and can understand faces more.

Colour does make a difference to kids too and I know that for a fact.

Brown Deceit. I am just stating what I know as true.

Myself as a kid, I used to cringeee at dark skinned people - me myself being a ligher yellow tone then BUT STILL A COLOURED PERSON.

No one in my family ever said a thing about colours then to me. I even felt superior to my sister and brother who were shades darker to me. I never said it but I felt it.

Today when my family members have babies, I notice how they cringe the very same way at really dark people.

As a kid I used to find black people not goodlooking and I used to actually get frightened and run away fro them ( please do not take this in a wrong sense. I am just telling you how it was)

But once I grew older I actually noticed how some of them are much better faced than white people. But I am a grown man now and can understand faces more.

Colour does make a difference to kids too and I knwo that for a fact.

Lol. You're an African American man? Figures. Well. I'm a Nigerian American woman. And in all my years of living in Nigeria. I have never seen a child "cringe" at a darkskinned person. You are SICK in the head. And before you start saying something like "because you're all dark" no. Not all Africans are darkskinned. Lol this is the most pathetic thing I've heard in a while. Smh.

Im Asian Brown Deceit.

Ok I am sorry If I have hurt anyone's sentiments. But I do know this is true.

When a child grows to the age of two or so he actually reacts to COLOUR, HAIR LENGTH etc. of an individual.

This is because a child apart from his kin cannot really distinguish too much between people unless he distinguishes through such features.

Im sorry if I sound sick to you! I am just stating how I felt as a kid myself and NO ONE in my family ever spoke about colour !

In fact other than my sister and myself today, no one cares about being light skinned.

Im Asian Brown Deceit.

Ok I am sorry If I have hurt anyones sentiments. But I do know this is true.

When a child grows to the age of two or so he actually reacts to COLOUR, HAIR LENGTH etc. of an individual.

This is because a child apart from his kin cannot really distinguish too much between people unless he distinguishes through such features.

Im sorry if I sound sick to you! I am just stating how I felt as a kid myself and NO ONE in my family ever spoke about colour !

In fact other than my sister and myself today, no one cares about being light skinned.

Maybe because in America dark skin is not a norm. You honestly don't understand. YES. You're right. A child reacts to COLOR. Any color that is not the norm in their society. When we were staying in a hotel in Nigeria. My little cousin was terrified to death of the white man in the building. Not because he knew all the history of slavery (he was only 3). But because he had never seen white skin before. Maybe on television? But I doubt it. He was terrified of him. He ran away from him every time he walked past. Then his terror turned to curiosity after a couple of weeks... Sigh. It's sad you really think this way.

Well I'm sorry if I felt that way as a kid...

Ignoring my beautiful dark skinned aunt who today I notice was a much more beautiful woman than my aunt with fair skin and green eyes.

When I listen to myself about it I know it sounds wrong... But what can I do about what I felt back then ?

It wasn't my choice.. I just was in awe of her automatically. Just like I see my toddler nieces and nephews doing the very same bit.

Its like history is repeating itself !

In your child's case I guess he wasn't exposed to other skin tones. In asian culture ( well I'm part portuges because my mothers mum was Portuguese and father was indian ) we are exposed to all forms of skin tones and nothing was a shocker for us. So I guess we react accordingly and as far as I know Asian kids are always in awe of their lighter skinned relatives more so than the darker ones !

I'd say this is about the saddest argument ever. Literally.

Sure, it's obvious that the Western World, (And even some of the Eastern world, aka Indian cast system/Aryan supremacy) favors lighter skin, but it goes likewise in the opposite direction as well.

I'm sure you've noticed White Americans who've done everything they can to please African Americans. Many rappers to this day treasure their Black heritage and skin color, while young White American boys just wish they could have a darker complexion, and pass off to their culture.

As for the Iraq/Iran Hydroquinone myth, that's just BS. Skin color amongst the Middle East and even Africa is divided. People of Equatorial Africa are EXTREMELY dark, people of North Africa are a much lighter black, while Egyptians (Keep in mind they are still considered 'Africans' from the continent of Africa) are much lighter with more western features.

Same goes for the rest of the Middle East. Iraq borders Turkey. Iraqi's are very tanned, (not exactly brown) while Turks are generally WHITE. Country borders don't define skin color; it's a gradual change through area, and proven by human evolution. That being said, it's obvious that northern Iraqi's will be fairly lighter, and closer represented as Turks that Southern Iraqis or Iranians.

Oh and of course, I wonder how exactly Hydroquinone affected the DNA of these users? Last I checked Hydroquinone simply disrupted the general process of melanin synthesis. If it did in ANY way affect their genes, it would prompt an INCREASE of activity (more melanin in the child), due to their body assuming that it's not being able to process melanin correctly in ratio to the amount of UV exposure in the area.

I also wonder what a kid would do if he encountered a regular, fully featured Black male, and a someone who looked like Michael Jackson after 2000.

I'd rather not criticize personal skin color for all the crap that you observe in the world.

Well its too bad you feel the need to argue.

I just spoke about what I felt when I was a kid. And what toddlers in my relatives are doing by themselved age two and three... automatically being in awe of the whiter skinned relatives..

And by the way the Iranian Iraqi thingie is true. I have read it on Google... They used pure hydroquinone made from the leaves of some plant... and used it regularly to stay white/ light

And over time genetic mutations actually ensured the kids turned out lighter... and we are talking about hundreds of years... not just two generations.

Lil Greg , mutations do NOT happen with a logic to it.. Your logic of darkening may be correct but its true the once darker Iranians used Pure Hydroquinone to turn white and mutations caused their kids to be born light automatically

I don't remember the source: but here is a one link where it states Iranians DID USE HQ

cancer (http://thegreenbeautyguide.com/?tag=cancer)

I still cannot find the link where it states how genetic mutations make Iranians and Iraqis much lighter over time using hydroquinone... but I'm sure if you search more you will find it.. Because I DID SEE IT !

The same link although also talks about HQ causing genetic mutations... for your information...


So that is part two proven.. where HQ use over years cause Iranians to have genetic mutations and their kids were born whiter.

Now do the final part search yourself where the kids were actually born lighter skinned over the hundreds of years... Just because you don't agree with me I cannot spoon feed you !

Goergeous what you using now babes

The same link although also talks about HQ causing genetic mutations...... for your information .....


So that is part two proven .. where HQ use over years cause Iranians to have genetic mutations and their kids were born whiter.

Now do the final part search yourself where the kids were actually born lighter skinned over the hundreds of years..... Just because you dont agree with me I cannot spoon feed you !

I suppose Southern Europeans (who are darker, such as in France) also used Hydroquinone to "lighten" themselves, and gradually moved northbound and gave off offspring who also mutated into a lighter skin tone.

/Sarcasm

The article states no mutations whatsoever concerning SKIN lightening mutations through DNA. I can understand liver damage, and genetic mutations (which in other words is called "cancer") to the skin, causing much darker and disfigured portions of skin, such as Melanoma or Carcinoma, but everything else is once again, plain BS, or a misunderstanding on your research. (I've read the entire article, it's nothing new.)

Just love yourself the way G-D made you. Stop all this hate! I love black skin, white skin and every shade in between! What "scares" me is what is inside some of the posters here. Hate of others as well as hate of themselves.

Just love yourself the way G-D made you. Stop all this hate! I love black skin, white skin and every shade in between! what "scares" me is what is inside some of the posters here. hate of others as well as hate of themselves.

Touché. I'm not against lightening your skin, especially if it makes yourself and your body features more prominent. Using skin shade as a reason for not being able to succeed or gain recognition from people around you is what's irritating.

"Oh wow, people like so-and-so because he's light brown, and I'm dark brown."

Hey Lighterr...
How's you ?

Currently I am using Monobenzone itself... I am very resilient and don't stop using stuff for a long time... just to make sure I ddint opt out before real results do me good... I tried it with benzyl for over a year and it didn't work...

Now I'm on monobenzone.. like six months ? And its not working either...


I have hq and will use it if the need comes... but for now only mono !

BTW how is your progress going on lighter?? Have the spots dissappeared ? Or are you still struggling with them ? Is the african weather tannig you back again ? You isn't planning to move back to canada?? I mean the weather there will do you so much more good than in africa where it is humid and hot !

I really like the weather in the uK and its so much better as compared to India... I don't wish to go back at all !

@lilgreg - No new research? It very clearly states in the article how Iranians used HQ to stay white! It is also a fact that Iranians were darker people than they are now! And the continuous usage of lightening through pure hq mutated them to what they are today...

And at no point have I denied that people within a country from the southern end are usually darker... that's a fact too! However, it could also mean that iranians who used HQ directly from plant extracts back then whitened.. however using HQ does not mean all will have the same colour.. Depending on the area, the hq will work as much also... meaning that it may whiten people in colder areas more.. and warmer areas less... Besides have you even been to Iran? It is a HOT country.. You'd be surprised that the country has climate as warm as african as well as south asian states... yet they end up being lighter... so the colour can also depend on various other factors including their ancient food habits etc.

Listen mate, You are not a child... Don't behave like one... If you want to find the information go search for yourself. I have mentioned this before that this isn't the link I had accessed earlier. And in that link it was clearly mentioned how Irani people lightened their skin and over time their kids were born lighter due to mutations... Pure Hq from plant extracts are not the same as your artificially prepared over the counter and prescription HQ...

There are other articles apart from this which have stated that... LIke I said earlier... I am not going to go around searching and spoonfeeding you the news... If you don't believe it.. then you can have fun! And if you want to believe it then go have some MORE FUN !


Enjoy!!

Georgeous

I am still struggeling with the spots OMG I am trying to get ahold of mpk so she can give me some of what her doc is giving her, I am desperate I am probably going to revert to mono again and go all the way this time since my skin is SPOTTED Anyway and you know once mono makes you white you don't repig cause the spots are not going away at all.

Yes can you please tell us what you are using?
goergeous what you using now babes

so sexy.. I'm still using monobenzone!

Lighter if you spots are not really going , why don't you go to the doc... because if its vitiligo then I'm sure he will depig you himself!

Why wait.. rush to the doc and find out if he has a remedy for you !

@lilgreg - No new research? It very clearly states in the article how Iranians used HQ to stay white! It is also a fact that Iranians were darker people than they are now! And the continuous usage of lightening through pure hq mutated them to what they are today...

Who said I didn't believe that they never used HQ to lighten their skin? I think it's best you revise what I've been posting, and realize that HQ had to have some form of origin, such as in Iraq or Iran. What you've failed to comprehend is that HQ was NOT the reason for a majority of Iraqis and Iranians having lighter skinned off-spring. That's the biggest pile of rubbish one could ever believe; apart from not even being stated in the article that you try to use as evidence.



Listen mate, You are not a child... Dont behave like one..... If you want to find the information go search for yourself. I have mentioned this before that this isnt the link I had accessed earlier. and in that link it was clearly mentioned how Irani people lightened their skin and over time their kids were born lighter due to mutations... Pure Hq from plant extracts are not the same as your artificially prepared over the counter and prescription HQ .....

Of course I'm not a child, and I daresay I'm acting like one by debunking your theories of skin lightening mutations. If anything, you may as well accept that nobody here will believe you unless you show the evidence. As far as we all know, not all sources are true; and so far, you've even misinterpreted your own sources.




There are other articles apart from this which have stated that... LIke I said earlier...I am not going to go around searching and spoonfeeding you the news... If you dont believe it .. then you can have fun! And if you want to believe it then go have some MORE FUN !

I've provided more than sufficient theories that can relate to each other which all prove that Hydroquinone did not result in genetic mutation DIRECTLY relating to the gene "SLC24A5", which determines the number and size of melanin packets produced by your melanocytes, or in other words their activity level.

If I've come off a bit too harsh, please accept my apologies. This topic itself is not necessary and takes racist and inaccurate perspectives a bit too far. (Which I feel ought to be debunked before given the ability to penetrate the minds of others.)

Whoah...I see all the action happened once I logged off? Some things really caught my attention here:

All of Africa IS NOT humid and hot, of course some areas are hotter than others and the same vice versa where I had to where a sweater and gloves during the cold/rainy seasons. I know this because I used to live in Ethiopia, Northern Sudan, and Egypt, and have visited several other countries

I completely disagree that babies choose whiter/lighter toned people and fear darker toned people. That is a complete racist and colorist statement. A child is not born WITH ignorance, though they may be born into an ignorant environment and even taught such ignorance. A child may only fear what they are unfamiliar with, such as unfamiliar surroundings and unfamiliar people that are completely different from what they are used to.

I have lived among Egyptians in Egypt and here in the States and I have seen a variety of colors and hair textures. From fair due to Arab and European intermixing, all the way to even darker tones, even darker than I. It is completely false and stereotypical to think that all Africans are dark-skinned, I have seen many in other parts of Africa unmixed and undiluted natives where the skin was much fairer.

About the Hydroquinone, if it had made one race much lighter then it would have made other races much lighter after generations of use. I'm not saying that people's features, complexion, and hair texture can not evolve through time, because obviously it does as we are literally ONE race who have adapted to our environments. But, with the Hq situation, that will only cause kidney and other organ problems later down the road including hyperpigmentation and other forms of skin diseases through the use of pure Hq.

When I see that darker toned Indians bleach their skin I wonder why because personally I find them to posses greater amount of beauty along with their features...but I guess they would wonder why I do the same.

I strongly believe the Caste system is sick and horrific...but what many people fail to realize that the caste system and colorism exists throughout the world and even in predominately darker toned countries as well, and it is all sick. This may not be as visible to people who do not have to go through this. But, to darker people it is Very real as they can tell you their experiences. I would never advise anyone that they should lighten their skin; they are free to do as they wish. But, if they happen to desire to lighten it I do not have the right to judge.

I also am completely against some people who feel that they are more "superior" to others just because of the complexion of their skin is lighter, is sick and needs to see a shrink. That is the most ignorant colorist idea I have ever seen. When I lighten I never feel that I am more superior, instead I notice I am treated more like an equal. For years I tried to deny this, but reality is too obvious verbally and physically that many darker toned people are treated differently even many times among their own kind. I have seen many forms of racism, but I find it really sick when someone is racist among their own kind. If anyone who actually believes society has no form of effect, then I suggest simply turn on your tv and critically tell me what you observe. No child is Automatically in awe of the whiter skinned relatives.

As I had mentioned before, a child is not born with ignorance. They are born with innocence. But, they can be born into an ignorant environment and taught such ignorance. That's what's wrong with so may people today...

Okies...

@ lilgreg- yo bro, lets cut this topic... Forget we or essentially I even brought it up. I was just speaking about my personal memories as a child ( at least of what I remember) and I think the topic took another twist.

So I guess I could apologise too because I meant no harm and didn't mean to seem offensive to anyone. I cannot change what I felt though and I distinctly remember how I did feel! I cannot explain why that is though; becoz till date no one in my house ever speaks of colour( except maybe my sister who is extremely conscious of her darker skin , the rest of my family is light asian skinned) , so I guess we could leave it at that !

I do hope we are taking all our conversations as healthy conversations and not otherwise... because I know for one, that's what I really am here for ! I just felt a little upset that my personal feelings of what I did feel as a kid seem so unbelievable to others... But I guess all of us need not have to relate to the same experiences

Thanks !

Yes Please we are here to gain info and learn from each other on how to achieve the skin tone that we want. So with that being said Golden Girl any updates on what you may have decided to try?

Okies...

@ lilgreg- yo bro, lets cut this topic.... Forget we or essentially I even brought it up. I was just speaking about my personal memories as a child ( atleast of what I remember) and I think the topic took another twist.

So I guess I could apologise too coz I meant no harm and didnt mean to seem offensive to anyone. I cannot change what I felt though and I distinctly remember how I did feel! I cannot explain why that is though; becoz till date no one in my house ever speaks of colour( except maybe my sister who is extremely conscious of her darker skin , the rest of my family is light asian skinned) , so I guess we could leave it at that !

I do hope we are taking all our conversations as healthy conversations and not otherwise..... because I know for one, thats what I really am here for ! I just felt a little upset that my personal feelings of what I did feel as a kid seem so unbelievable to others..... But I guess all of us need not have to relate to the same experiences

Thanks !

Well, I have a few ideas. I will definitely be using Retin-A (Tretinoine) to help the skin become lighter much quicker. Now I'm still trying to make up my mind if I should try the Fair & White products to see if it lightens. I know it contains Hq and I really do not know how others experiences are with it. Secondly, considering Mequinol if they happen to lighten evenly and gradually and will not cause me harm. I am also considering the Hq & Retin-A method and then transition to something safer. And my last consideration, which may be my first decision is with the sepiwhite and retin-A regimine or maybe even use just Alpha-Arbutin, which means I would have to learn how to make my own formulas and buy the extra equipment needed. But, seems like a bright idea. As you can see I have quite a bit on my list to choose from, but it's nolonger blank... :confused:

What about you?

Glad to see that we've come to a settled agreement.

Well, I have a few ideas. I will definitely be using Retin-A (Tretinoine) to help the skin become lighter much quicker. Now I'm still trying to make up my mind if I should try the Fair & White products to see if it lightens. I know it contains Hq and I really do not know how others experiences are with it. Secondly, considering Mequinol if they happen to lighten evenly and gradually and will not cause me harm. I am also considering the Hq & Retin-A method and then transition to something safer. And my last consideration, which may be my first decision is with the sepiwhite and retin-A regimine or maybe even use just Alpha-Arbutin, which means I would have to learn how to make my own formulas and buy the extra equipment needed. But, seems like a bright idea. As you can see I have quite a bit on my list to choose from, but it's nolonger blank...:confused:

What about you?

WHOAAAA FAIR & WHITE CONTAINS HQ I did not know that is it true?

In defense of Ms. Tyra Banks, she did not "lighten her skin", in fact she tans and always wears makeup that is darker than her own skin. Most women who are fixed on being "light" will wear makeup that is a shade lighter (a lot of black celebrities do this).

IDK about that. I was watching Coyoty Ugly the other day and she seemed a lot darker. But then again when she was on Fresh Prince she was a real light brown but now she is fair.
In defense of Ms. Tyra Banks, she did not "lighten her skin", in fact she tans and always wears makeup that is darker than her own skin. Most women who are fixed on being "light" will wear makeup that is a shade lighter (a lot of black celebrities do this).

OK, how is it going?

so sexy .. im still using monobenzone!

WHOAAAA FAIR & WHITE CONTAINS HQ i did not know that is it true?

Yeah it's true. They don't really mention it on their website, or mentioned very sparingly. But, it's on their ingredients lists. I don't think all of their products contain this, but many of them do along with other active ingredients. One of them contains 5% Hq if I'm correct. It was one of the serums or gels though. I never used F&F, so I have received many mixed reviews from it.

About Tyra. I know she is naturally light brown, but she can tan easily and her complexion has been quite versatile. Sometimes it's makeup like airbrushing, and sometimes I believe it's also aha peels, creams, etc to relighten. Good way to tell is to look at her hands... they have lightened and darkened many times.

To be honest I feel Tyra does use lightening products... which have HQ in them. Considering the fact that she does look darker in dim orange lights like in coyote ugly...

And people using hq usually look lighter in brigher ligts or even open natural light but regular colour in the dark .I have heard this from a lot of people about HQ.

... But yes she was always a lighter shade... to get an idea go watch George Micheals Girl your too funky for me... she was 16 then !

In that they have Tyra who is pretty light... although she does look a shade or two ligter now... which is why I feel she has used something to lighten..


And also naomi who was much darker back then . Nt that there is anyting bad in that because I think she lukd a lot sexier daker back then than she does today with a lighter tone... when she came on the tyra banks show I coldnt recognise her as the same naomi who was dark chocolate colour in her heydays... today she is so much more lighter... and its surprising people don't talk about her becoming lighter... but I guess its because people don't make out the difference as much because it doesn't seem like too many shades when you compare her to beyonce or even tyra...

To be honest I feel Tyra does use lightening products... which have HQ in them. Considering the fact that she does look darker in dim orange lights like in coyote ugly...

And people using hq usually look lighter in brigher ligts or even open natural light but regular colour in the dark .I have heard this from a lot of people about HQ.

... But yes she was always a lighter shade... to get an idea go watch George Micheals Girl your too funky for me... she was 16 then !

In that they have Tyra who is pretty light... although she does look a shade or two ligter now... which is why I feel she has used something to lighten..


And also naomi who was much darker back then . Nt that there is anyting bad in that because I think she lukd a lot sexier daker back then than she does today with a lighter tone... when she came on the tyra banks show I coldnt recognise her as the same naomi who was dark chocolate colour in her heydays... today she is so much more lighter... and its surprising people don't talk about her becoming lighter... but I guess its because people don't make out the difference as much because it doesn't seem like too many shades when you compare her to beyonce or even tyra...

Take this test.

1) Take a white child / black child / brown child in front of a beautiful BLACK WOMAN , a brown skinned asian woman and a normally attractive WHITE WOMAN with blue eyes.

I promise you the response you will see is shocking. THE CHILD will automatically respond to the WHITE girl or the the LIGHT YELLOW BEAUTIFUL TONE.. No matter how much more beautiful that Black woman is in comparison to the other two, the child will NOT give her attention.

Try this with a Black child, try it with a WHITE child.. You just have to see it to believe it!

And mind you, when a child is like two years old or three years old NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE tells them about racism and colour preferences. It just come AUTOMATICALLY !

So in short, we have made conventional norms of beauty WESTERN because it Naturally has been a colour people are in awe of. It has NOTHING TO DO with the media ALONE.. who everyone accuses to create this bias. The media highlights simply what existed a thousand years ago and EVEN NOW!

Iranians and Iraqis were well known to use PURE HYDROQUINONE on their skins to keep it WHITE... This was a hundred or more years ago we are talking about. Before that the race used to be darker.

And usage of the lightening treatments by every single individual during those times created GENETIC MUTATIONS which went down into offsprings and they were born LIGHT SKINNED.. I have read this somewhere on the internet before... If someone wants to read it go googling. It took a lot of time to search and I wont be able to reproduce this statement. So if you can't find it DONT BELIEVE ME.. But I saw it and I know its true thereby.

WHen everyone loves being lighter what on earth is wrong to want to be lighter urself ?

Extremely unfair on the part of people who discourage others. Simply not done !
You're so ignorant and naïve how old are you!! not only do have the ordasity to start discussing harmful products your using but your saying it s OK not love yourself why are you even reading this board its 4 black women like I stated you could never understand what I go through don't talk your crap and say don't preach so am I scum I am dark skinned and you're suprerior to me ?so every single human being should bleach there skin and live in a happy white wonderland you dumb fuk go get a book and read "hydroquinone caused mutation in babies to make them lighter for generartions" you dumb prick go to sleep and wake up again I couldn't care less if you've learned you're lesson and you apreciate other races don't compare your situation to a black woman's situation beauty is different everywhere some like it dark some like it light in western society light is put on a pedastal I watched a wildlife documentary and some villages admire rotten sharp teeth ! The people from the village never saw a white person and they compared her to a goat. Beauty is with the eye of the beholder its like looking at a picture and saying it doesn't look good when someone else thinks its amazing we all see the art around us in a diiferent light so don't speak on everyone's behalf being untrue to yourself will never be justifyable so just except what I excepted INSECRUTY and in you're case idocity and a colourism complex the reason for my post isn't to say I'm better than people who go as far as bleaching their skin its to say
That we can't do that superficiallity within insecurity it is wrong when harmful to your skin. One more thing I went on holiday to somewhere in europe not stating where and people gave me and my family dirty looks not because we were dark skin black but because we were black racist white people couldn't giv a fuk if your light brown dark brown it's the fact that your black the same to asian people there were selling ugly umbrellas and begging in the streets if you went there they wouldn't care if your light asian or a dark asian your different you'll never be "superior" cause you're "coloured" so get the fuk over yourself who are you kidding with your nonsense

To be honest I feel Tyra does use lightening products..... which have HQ in them. Considering the fact that she does look darker in dim orange lights like in coyote ugly....

and people using hq usually look lighter in brigher ligts or even open natural light but regular colour in the dark .I have heard this from a lot of people about HQ.

.... But yes she was always a lighter shade ... to get an idea go watch George Micheals Girl your too funky for me.... she was 16 then !

In that they have Tyra who is pretty light... although she does look a shade or two ligter nwo..... which is why i feel she has used something to lighten ..


and also naomi who was much darker back then . nt that there is anyting bad in that because i think she lukd a lot sexier daker back then than she does today wiht a lighter tone.... when she came on the tyra banks show i coldnt recognise her as the same naomi who was dark chocolate colour in her heydays.... today she is so much more lighter..... and its surprising people dont talk about her becoming lighter... but i guess its because people dont make out the difference as much because it doesnt seem like too many shades when you compare her to beyonce or even tyra.....


Yeah I agree she does bleach and it looks good, not sure if you ever saw her on the fresh price of bel air she made a guest appearance on the show when she was like 15 and she is like @ least 3-4 shades lighter now thatn she was back then

You're so ignorant and naïve how old are you!! not only do have the ordasity to start discussing harmful products your using but your saying it s OK not love yourself why are you even reading this board its 4 black women like I stated you could never understand what I go through don't talk your crap and say don't preach so am I scum I am dark skinned and you're suprerior to me ?so every single human being should bleach there skin and live in a happy white wonderland you dumb fuk go get a book and read "hydroquinone caused mutation in babies to make them lighter for generartions" you dumb prick go to sleep and wake up again I couldn't care less if you've learned you're lesson and you apreciate other races don't compare your situation to a black woman's situation beauty is different everywhere some like it dark some like it light in western society light is put on a pedastal I watched a wildlife documentary and some villages admire rotten sharp teeth ! The people from the village never saw a white person and they compared her to a goat. Beauty is with the eye of the beholder its like looking at a picture and saying it doesn't look good when someone else thinks its amazing we all see the art around us in a diiferent light so don't speak on everyone's behalf being untrue to yourself will never be justifyable so just except what I excepted INSECRUTY and in you're case idocity and a colourism complex the reason for my post isn't to say I'm better than people who go as far as bleaching their skin its to say
That we can't do that superficiallity within insecurity it is wrong when harmful to your skin. One more thing I went on holiday to somewhere in europe not stating where and people gave me and my family dirty looks not because we were dark skin black but because we were black racist white people couldn't giv a fuk if your light brown dark brown it's the fact that your black the same to asian people there were selling ugly umbrellas and begging in the streets if you went there they wouldn't care if your light asian or a dark asian your different you'll never be "superior" cause you're "coloured" so get the fuk over yourself who are you kidding with your nonsense

Yeah I agee... Tyra is lighter now.. although I have always loved her looks.. I always felt she was the prettier one and Naomi Campbell was the sexy one !

What about Naomi lighterrrr? Do you think she is lighter now ? I really do think she is a lot lighter now.. What do you feel?

In the Bollywood actress check this lady called Madhuri Dixit.. She was very dark when she first started in the movies and suddenly became so light.. its not even funny..

I remember seeing Naomi Campbell come on Tyra's show, that was the only reason I had watched that episode since I very rarely see Tyra's show. But, I thought Naomi also looked a bit different and skightly lighter, but I wasn't for sure and thought maybe lighting? I don't know

Back in high school I loved Naomi Campbell, I had so many of her photos all over the walls in my bedroom.. among many other picts of people. I always felt that she is one of the most beautiful women in the world and that her features were so beautiful and precise. After hearing about her bad attitude.. that just made me laugh. But, she has nothing to change.. I wish there were many other dark toned super models, the ones chosen are unfortunately few.

Take this test.

1) Take a white child / black child / brown child in front of a beautiful BLACK WOMAN , a brown skinned asian woman and a normally attractive WHITE WOMAN with blue eyes.

I promise you the response you will see is shocking. THE CHILD will automatically respond to the WHITE girl or the the LIGHT YELLOW BEAUTIFUL TONE.. No matter how much more beautiful that Black woman is in comparison to the other two, the child will NOT give her attention.

Try this with a Black child, try it with a WHITE child.. You just have to see it to believe it!

And mind you, when a child is like two years old or three years old NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE tells them about racism and colour preferences. It just come AUTOMATICALLY !


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I agree somewhat . I am mixed and my skin is white naturally, and when I was a baby and a toddler, I did not like dark people at all. I would scream when I saw them, not in the street, but if they came to my house, didn't want them to touch me, and would scream if they did. Some of my family are medium brown and I had no problem with them, but a dark black person would turn me off. I would not protest if a light person tried to touch me. I grew up in a mostly black country. If that sounds mean, well I can't help it. But no one ever taught me that, it was innate.

I agree that Naomi is beautiful...

I think she looked much better as a model in her chocolate brown days though...

In tyras show I'm positive she had lightened.. if you watch the show again... you have to notice her knuckles... they are really very dark compared to the rest of her hand..

Hq usually lightens you well but doesn't do the knuckles and edges too well...

Well whatever said, I think Naomi was very sexy... and going lighter that sexual appeal was sort of lost...

In fact I know Id sound silly but Naomi was looking almost like Beyonce on the tyra show but then again its only my observation...

@barry - that's exactly the case with me barry...

I was somewhat the same... I used to get frightened and it was innate too...

I don't know why me saying what I felt as a kid wihtout anyone's biases has created so much of a ruckus...

Its just a fact that I cannot change ! But then again , as we grow up we realise that this is not the case . In fact some of the attractive ones come from the darker skin tones...

As kids you just don't see that .

Choco you got issues and so what we all do but you need to calm down girl, lets work together

I agree somewhat . I am mixed and my skin is white naturally, and when I was a baby and a toddler, I did not like dark people at all. I would scream when I saw them, not in the street, but if they came to my house, didn't want them to touch me, and would scream if they did. Some of my family are medium brown and I had no problem with them, but a dark black person would turn me off. I would not protest if a light person tried to touch me. I grew up in a mostly black country. If that sounds mean, well I can't help it. But no one ever taught me that, it was innate.

Barry101 That was only because a child may only fear what they are unfamiliar with and what they have not been exposed to. Such as unfamiliar surroundings and unfamiliar people that are completely different from what they are used to. Whether that is very fair tones or very dark tones.

Imgorgeous I aggree with the Naomi Cambell situation. True about the nuckles, to me they are so difficult to lighten. I mean I am able to lighten my knuckles but not as light as the rest of my hands. I even tried by making my hand into a fist and applying the lightener one by one. Even the singer Amerie, I noticed she looked much much lighter that I barely recognized her, but her knuckles were very dark.

OK

choco you got issues and so what we all do but you need to calm down girl, lets work together

Don't tell me to carm down and I have issues what issues who are you to tell me I have issues who said I was getting all crazy then good for you if you think I'm crazy all obessed with fake manipulative drug adicted celebrities like and naiomi campbell who just about tried to kill anyone one she knew, just as hypocritall as you saying I need to calm down what's bad and crazy about I have said does the truth hurt or something just because my typing looks like I'm speaking aggresively doesn't mean I am if you want to talk about tyra banks weave or naiomi campbell's face feel free I couldn't care less just don't talk about it on my post which was posted to to avoid superficall ideologies of fake celebs the focus was on those women on that show if anyone could relate to them. Go ahed and call me crazy cause I swer a lot or cause I think some one is insane for thinking lighter skin is the way and dark skin made them them cringe ple can only reply with crap like your crazy they don't know decent or clever way to reply tell me what I said that doesn't make sense or is false?

Choco you are beyond comprehension..

Yeah you are right, this thread BELONGS to you !

Have fun with your thread !

We all empathise with theose women on the show. And for your information just because I couldn't relate to dark colour as a kid does not mean I don't now.. I found almost all the women on that showgoodlooking - well one of them I didn't like but the rest ranged from moderately pretty to pretty

choco you are beyond comprehension..

yeah you are right, this thread BELONGS to you !

have fun with your thread !

We all empathise with theose women on the show. And for your information just because I couldnt relate to dark colour as a kid does not mean I dont now.. I found almost all the women on that showgoodlooking - well one of them i didnt like but the rest ranged from moderately pretty to pretty

I didn't say the thread belonged to me

Choco I am trying to understand you but my simple mind can't get it, I saw the tyra show and I'm a black women and it did nothing for me I was like whatever! He show won't stop me from lightening or as the africans in africa call it "skin toning"

choco i am trying to understand you but my simple mind can't get it, i saw the tyra show and im a black women and it did nothing for me I was like whatever! he show wont stop me from lightening or as the africans in africa call it "skin toning"

I understand that completey cause I still feel the need to lighten cause I haven't started yet it just to caution pepole about the dangers the odds could be one of us if we spend years bleaching do you use natural skin lightners or is it vitually impossible to with black skin ? Sorry if I sound preachy with my before comments it just that I'm two states of mind one morning I could wake up and feel no need to lightn but most of the time I look at myself and the only thing wrong me is my skintone but some ple have complexities with themselves it could be more than just be more than just my skintone( although I don't think its that) I posted this thread up cause I hate hearing similar people or peple ruplsed at there dark skin not just on this thread but in life to me it feels like I need to change these attitudes

i understand that completey cause i still feel the need to lighten cause i havent started yet it just to caution pepole about the dangers the odds could be one of us if we spend years bleaching do you use natural skin lightners or is it vitually impossible to with black skin ? sorry if i sound preachy with my b4 comments it just that i'm two states of mind one morning i could wake up and feel no need to lightn but most of the time i look at myself and the only thing wrong me is my skintone but some ple have complexities with themself it could be more than just be more than just my skintone( although i dnt think its that) I posted this thread up cause I hate hearing similar people or peple ruplsed at there dark skin not just on this thread but in life to me it feels like i need to change these attitudes

Chocobrownie you do not have to change nor let anyone pressure you into doing so. When being happy with yourself, then there is nothing to change.