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arcura
Aug 6, 2009, 10:19 PM
Look here at his information and please respond to the question.
TROUBLE IN THE HOLY LAND
What? Muslim leader wants Temple rebuilt
Jewish Sanhedrin rabbis unite with Turk on common cause


Posted: August 05, 2009
9:08 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily
With the Middle East still in chaos and rumors of war in the air, the idea of rebuilding the Jerusalem Temple on a foundation occupied and administered by Islamic militants might seem fanciful – even preposterous.
But the author of a new book, "The Islamic Antichrist: The Shocking Truth About the Real Nature of the Beast," returned from Turkey recently with news that a prominent Islamic teacher and best-selling author and Jewish Sanhedrin rabbis are hoping to do just that.
In a column penned in WND today, author Joel Richardson reveals the historically unprecedented development.
Adnan Oktar, who uses the pen name of Harun Yahya, is a controversial but highly influential Muslim intellectual and author with more than 65 million of his books in circulation worldwide. Oktar recently met with three representatives from the re-established Jewish Sanhedrin, a group of 71 Orthodox rabbis and scholars from Israel, to discuss how religious Muslims, Jews and Christians can work together on the project.
"The objectives of the alliance include waging a joint intellectual and spiritual battle against the worldwide growing tide of irreligiousness, unbelief and immorality," explains Richardson, who met in Turkey with Oktar. "But even more unusual is their agreement with regard to the need to rebuild the Jewish Temple, a structure that Mr. Oktar refers to as the 'Masjid (Mosque)' or the 'Palace of Solomon.'"
An official statement about the meeting has been published on the Sanhedrin's website. Concluding the statement is the following call:
"Out of a sense of collective responsibility for world peace and for all humanity we have found it timely to call to the World and exclaim that there is a way out for all peoples. It is etched in a call to all humanity: We are all the sons of one father, the descendants of Adam, and all humanity is but a single family. Peace among Nations will be achieved through building the House of G-d, where all peoples will serve as foreseen by King Solomon in his prayers at the dedication of the First Holy Temple. Come let us love and respect one another, and love and honor and hold our heavenly Father in awe. Let us establish a house of prayer in His name in order to worship and serve Him together, for the sake of His great compassion. He surely does not want the blood of His creations spilled, but prefers love and peace among all mankind. We pray to the Almighty Creator, that you harken to our Call. Together – each according to his or her ability – we shall work towards the building of the House of Prayer for All Nations on the Temple Mount in peace and mutual understanding."
Oktar explained his vision for the rebuilding of Solomon's Temple to Richardson:
"The Palace of Solomon is a historically important palace and rebuilding it would be a very wonderful thing. It is something that any Jew, a Christian or a Muslim should welcome with enthusiasm. Every Muslim, every believer will want to return to those days, to experience those days again and, albeit partially, to bring the beauty of those days back to life."
Oktar added that the Temple of Solomon "will be rebuilt and all believers will worship there in tranquility." During his meeting with the Sanhedrin Rabbis, Oktar expressed his belief that the Temple could be rebuilt in one year:
"It could be done in a year at most. It could be built to the same perfection and beauty. The Torah says it was built in 13 years, if I remember correctly. It could be rebuilt in a year in its perfect form."
Richardson later met with Rabbi Abrahamson and Rabbi Hollander, two of the Sanhedrin representatives who conferred with Oktar. Regarding the rebuilding of the Temple, Rabbi Hollander explained, "The building of the Temple is one of the stages in the Messianic process." But another possibility that has been presented is that the Dome of the Rock that sits so prominently on the Temple Mount be used as "a place prayer for all nations."
"This should be fairly simple," explained Rabbi Hollander. "It is said that the structure of the Dome in Haram E-Sharrif (the Temple Mount) was originally meant by (Caliph) Omar to be a House of Prayer for Jews, and the Al-Aqsa for Muslims."
However, he also explained that religious Jews would not be able to enter the Dome of the Rock unless it had first been ritually cleansed according to Jewish halakhic regulations.
This is not the only similar call to rebuild the Jewish Temple, points out Richardson. Yoav Frankel is an Orthodox Jew who has been deeply involved in interfaith dialogue with Muslims and also envisions a shared Temple Mount. The Interfaith Encounter Association is working on a project called "God's Holy Mountain." It sees the day when the rebuilt Jewish Temple will exist side by side with the Dome of the Rock.
Richardson sees such plans tying in to Barack Obama's calls for internationalizing the city of Jerusalem.
A recent poll showed nearly two-thirds of Israelis back the idea of rebuilding the Temple.
"Meanwhile, the work of the Temple Institute, a group that has openly dedicated itself for years to rebuilding the Jewish Temple goes on," writes Richardson.
It has already created many of the most significant priestly utensils and pieces of furniture necessary for the Temple once it is ready.
"The suggestion of rebuilding the Jewish Temple is deeply significant to Christians, particularly those who are students of Bible prophecy," explains Richardson. "According to the Bible, an impostor messiah known as the Antichrist will someday invade the land of Israel and 'set himself up' in the 'God’s Temple.'"
Richardson's book focuses on the striking parallels between the Bible's prophecies about the coming messiah and Islam's traditions regarding the one called "the Mahdi" – Islam’s primary messiah figure, who will one day invade the land of Israel and establish his seat of authority on the Temple Mount.
Richardson's book stands in stark contrast to most other popular prophecy books of the last 40 years.
The student of Islam and the Middle East says that after decades of reading popular prophecy books and even best-selling fiction like the "Left Behind" series, millions of evangelical Christians around the world are expecting the Antichrist to emerge from a revived Roman Empire, which many have assumed is associated with the Roman Catholic Church and the European Union.
Not so, argues Richardson. His book makes the case that the biblical Antichrist is one and the same as the Quran's Muslim Mahdi.
"The Islamic Antichrist" is almost certain to be greeted in the Muslim world with the same enthusiasm as Salman Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses." The author, Joel Richardson, is prepared. He has written the book under a pseudonym to protect himself and his family.
"The Bible abounds with proofs that the Antichrist's empire will consist only of nations that are, today, Islamic," says Richardson. "Despite the numerous prevailing arguments for the emergence of a revived European Roman empire as the Antichrist's power base, the specific nations the Bible identifies as comprising his empire are today all Muslim."
Richardson believes the key error of many previous prophecy scholars involves the misinterpretation of a prediction by Daniel to Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel describes the rise and fall of empires of the future, leading to the endtimes. Western Christians have viewed one of those empires as Rome, when, claims Richardson, Rome never actually conquered Babylon and was thus disqualified as a possibility.
It had to be another empire that rose and fell and rose again that would lead to the rule by this "man of sin," described in the Bible. That empire, he says, is the Islamic Empire, which did conquer Babylon and, in fact, rules over it even today.
Many evangelical Christians believe the Bible predicts a charismatic ruler, the Antichrist, will arise in the last days, before the return of Jesus. The Quran also predicts that a man, called the Mahdi, will rise up to lead the nations, pledging to usher in an era of peace. Richardson makes the case these two men are, in fact, one in the same.
His book was an instant best-seller on the Amazon charts when it debuted Tuesday. It remains No. 1 in two religion categories.

zippit
Aug 6, 2009, 10:27 PM
I think it would cause more harm than good

I also think they might just be trying to stir up
Trouble

And I can't believe there hasn't been a attack on the site yet and rebuilding might cause such an attack
They should leave well enough alone.
Didn't really understand the anti-christ side of it?

arcura
Aug 6, 2009, 10:37 PM
zippit,
We should keep in mind that the return of Jesus Christ depends on when the third temple is built.
Only AFTER it has been built will the Messiah return and remove the anti-Christ for the throne, so the bible tells us.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Triund
Aug 7, 2009, 12:58 PM
Fred, if you remember few threads ago, I did a posting about End Times and primarily that was based on interview of Joel Rosenberg with Glen Beck. Check that thread at https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/christianity/end-times-348192.html and check the first part of the interview at YouTube - PT. 1-5 Glenn Beck, Joel Rosenberg talk about the end times (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp1T_7WYPiE). This interview is five part series.

Further studies about IIIrd Jewish Temple showed me that temple would be built at the place of mosque and this is God's plan. There is no force on this earth to stop God from getting that temple built. Now when will this happen nobody knows. Could Anti-Christ resolve the issue of Temple and Mosque or some earthquake dismental the mosque or some body shoots a missile at the it to demolish or would the mosque cave in on its own as it is Muslims are digging under the hill to make more space and to make this mosques the largest mosque in the world. We don't know how is that going to happen. There is so much going on in international politics.

zippit
Aug 7, 2009, 06:08 PM
And the third temple being built couldn't be figuarative?
I was taught it was

arcura
Aug 7, 2009, 09:56 PM
Triund,
The Dome of The Rock does not stand where the 3rd Temple is to be built. It is to be built where the 1st and 2nd Temples were.
The Dome could still stand while the new temple is being built.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

firmbeliever
Aug 8, 2009, 10:07 PM
Just wanted to point out that Muslims do believe in the appearance of anti-christ/dajjal and a muslim believer will not join forces against Easa alaihisalaam(Jesus Christ).

The mahdi as the shia belief and the sunni belief are different
Mahdi: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Mahdi)

arcura
Aug 8, 2009, 10:22 PM
firmbeliever,
Thanks for posting that.
I think that that is important to the building of the temple.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Triund
Aug 9, 2009, 08:09 PM
Triund,
The Dome of The Rock does not stand where the 3rd Temple is to be built. It is to be built where the 1st and 2nd Temples were.
The Dome could still stand while the new temple is being built.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I found this video on Youtube about building of Third Jewish Temple YouTube - Temple Institute 2009 Building The Third Temple in Jerusalem - Interview with Rabbi Chaim Richmam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyHUHOqzUPY)

arcura
Aug 9, 2009, 09:20 PM
Triund,
Thanks much for posting that.
It is very interesting.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

paraclete
Aug 12, 2009, 10:02 PM
The Mad Madji and the antichrist, sort of has a familiar ring to it, doesn't it. The temple could be the catalyst which would inflame the muslim world and there have been no shortage of possible candidates in the Muslim world. There is one right now in Iran. It makes a lot more sense than the antichrist coming out of secular Europe and being interested in Jerusalem. One could say that with the exception of a short period Jerusalem has been in the hands of the antichrist for centuries

classyT
Aug 14, 2009, 05:51 AM
I believe that the third temple will not be built until the rapture of the church... but that brings up a whole new can of worms. And I know you don't believe in the rapture Arcura... thats OK... it is STILL going to happen! :)

N0help4u
Aug 14, 2009, 03:29 PM
The Bible says the 'rapture' will happen at the seventh trumpet when the anti christ is revealed. I believe we will go through much tribulation within a short amount of time before that though...
Which maybe I should start a post on that.

arcura
Aug 14, 2009, 10:58 PM
paraclete,
That's a thot worth considering.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

galveston
Aug 17, 2009, 02:16 PM
Fred, thanks for posting this. It is the most interesting thing I have read in some time.

I have long felt that THE Anti-Christ would have to be someone that the Muslims respect AND someone moderate enough to deal with the Jews. Otherwise, any peace treaty made would not last even 3 1/2 years.

I believe that Rev. chapter 17 shows a world wide religion that will come into being. The article you posted shows how this could happen. Possiblly soon.

BTW, Fred, do you know that the man who compiled the Latin Vulgate Bible actually used the Latin word for "rapture"? You might do some research and either confirm or disprove this.

arcura
Aug 17, 2009, 10:23 PM
galveston,
Thanks.
Fred

paraclete
Aug 17, 2009, 10:27 PM
Fred, thanks for posting this. It is the most interesting thing I have read in some time.

I have long felt that THE Anti-Christ would have to be someone that the Muslims respect AND someone moderate enough to deal with the Jews. Otherwise, any peace treaty made would not last even 3 1/2 years.



I was told today that the man already exists and is a Jordanian prince, so we will see, won't we

arcura
Aug 17, 2009, 11:04 PM
paraclete,
Yes, time will tell.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

classyT
Aug 18, 2009, 05:39 AM
I was told today that the man already exists and is a Jordanian prince, so we will see, won't we

I believe the man exists, I also believe we ( the church) will have no clue who he is... he will not be revealed until he makes the 7 year peace treaty with Israel... ( the church will be GONE) according to the bible.

galveston
Aug 18, 2009, 09:17 AM
I think the Rapture of the Church and the signing of the treaty with Israel will be at or near the same time.

According to Daniel's vision of the ram Media/Persia) and the goat (Greece), the Anti-Christ will come from one of the four divisions of Greece after the death of Alexander. That is, from Greece, Syria, Egypt, or Turkey.

Clearly, 3 of these 4 are Islamic countries.

According the OP article, this Muslim leader is from Turkey. (Now don't jump to conclusions) but the pattern seems to fit.

One bit of information that I find interesting is that Rome never ruled Babylon. I didn't know that. I need to do some reading to verify that.

classyT
Aug 18, 2009, 12:50 PM
Gal,

Well from what I can gather from reading the Bible... we are raptured and then the signing of the peace treaty. I tend to believe this will take place VERY close to each other as well. But I don't think the church will know without a shadow of a doubt who the antiChrist will be until the peace treaty is signed. But from what I can tell... we will be oughtta here.

galveston
Aug 18, 2009, 12:58 PM
Gal,

Well from what i can gather from reading the Bible...we are raptured and then the signing of the peace treaty. I tend to believe this will take place VERY close to each other as well. But I don't think the church will know without a shadow of a doubt who the antiChrist will be until the peace treaty is signed. But from what I can tell....we will be oughtta here.

I think you are right about the timing.

I do think that those who understand the Bible and are good observers of current events will have a fair idea of what will happen soon as a result of what is happening now.

I think we might be able to spot who Anti-Christ is shortly before he comes to power.

Keep both your eyes and your mind open on this subject, and stay ready.

paraclete
Aug 18, 2009, 03:11 PM
One bit of information that I find interesting is that Rome never ruled Babylon. I didn't know that. I need to do some reading to verify that.

Rome didn't rule Babylon, this is true, it was Alexander the great who conquered Babylon and he was a little ahead of Roman domination of the middle east.

Scholars have equated Rome with Babylon mentioned in the Bible in Revelation but the reference is to a system rather than a place. The Babylonian system was one of corruption and influence, much like we see in the Muslim world today

galveston
Aug 18, 2009, 03:39 PM
Something else occurs to me.
The fourth beast of Daniel, ch 7 destroys and stamps the residue with hie feet.

History shows that Babylon, Media-Persia, and Greece all consolidated those peoples that they conquered into their culture.

Islam, on the other hand, says, "convert or die".

Could fit the profile.

paraclete
Aug 18, 2009, 05:30 PM
Something else occurs to me.
The fourth beast of Daniel, ch 7 destroys and stamps the residue with hie feet.

History shows that Babylon, Media-Persia, and Greece all consolidated those peoples that they conquered into their culture.

Islam, on the other hand, says, "convert or die".

Could fit the profile.

Islam certainly fits the profile of the Beast, but it is prophesied that Islam will be destroyed, so let us not try to fit up what we have to resemble the beast, because that Beast has been around for fourteen hundred years

N0help4u
Aug 18, 2009, 05:36 PM
What verses prophesy Isam being destroyed.
I have been wondering how Islam fits into the Bible.

galveston
Aug 18, 2009, 08:13 PM
Islam certainly fits the profile of the Beast, but it is prophesied that Islam will be destroyed, so let us not try to fit up what we have to resemble the beast, because that Beast has been around for fourteen hundred years

Well, the beast will be destroyed, for certain.

I know of no specifie time frame for the beast to arise. It could have been here for a long time without reaching the fulfillment of its' destiny, couldn't it?

I'm merely trying pieces of the puzzle for fit.

arcura
Aug 18, 2009, 09:27 PM
Thanks all for that information and speculation.
It IS very interesting.
If indeed the person who is soon-to-be the anti-Christ is alive today he could be a young man and thus has quite a few years to go and build his reputation as a peace maker and become popular enough to gain a place in the new temple.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

arcura
Aug 18, 2009, 09:35 PM
Everyone...
The latest mews about the coming Mahdi (who will be the anti-Christ) was just posted.
Here is that news...
What do you make of that along with the building of the new temple news?
<><><>
Ayatollah sees global Islamic 'Mahdi' army
Calls for Muslim nations to unite militarily under messianic figure
Posted: August 17, 2009
9:18 pm Eastern
2009 WorldNetDaily
WASHINGTON – Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei yesterday called on Muslim nations around the world to unite militarily in response to the imminent coming of Islam's messianic savior – the Mahdi.
Khamenei, through his spokesman Ali Saeedi, specifically beckoned the nations of Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan and Afghanistan to join together with Iran in preparation for the Mahdi's soon coming.
The purpose of uniting now, a report in Al Arabiya explained, is to fight Israel and the U.S. – seen as the two greatest obstacles to the coming of the Mahdi and the age of Islamic "justice" that would ensue.
"We have to train honest forces that can stop the obstacles that may hinder the coming of the Mahdi like the United States and Israel," Saeedi stated. Saeedi also emphasized that the Iranian revolutionary guard possessed a special religious authority to prepare the way for the Mahdi.

N0help4u
Aug 18, 2009, 09:41 PM
My neighbor across the street has been saying that exact thing for the past 9 months.
He says to watch for some treaty or something to be signed, I forget what he called it.

arcura
Aug 18, 2009, 10:13 PM
N0help4u,
Interesting.
Fred

galveston
Aug 19, 2009, 09:38 AM
Everyone....
The latest mews about the coming Mahdi (who will be the anti-Christ) was just posted.
Here is that news.....
What do you make of that along with the building of the new temple news?
<><><>
Ayatollah sees global Islamic 'Mahdi' army
Calls for Muslim nations to unite militarily under messianic figure
Posted: August 17, 2009
9:18 pm Eastern
2009 WorldNetDaily
WASHINGTON – Iran's Ayatollah Khamenei yesterday called on Muslim nations around the world to unite militarily in response to the imminent coming of Islam's messianic savior – the Mahdi.
Khamenei, through his spokesman Ali Saeedi, specifically beckoned the nations of Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan and Afghanistan to join together with Iran in preparation for the Mahdi's soon coming.
The purpose of uniting now, a report in Al Arabiya explained, is to fight Israel and the U.S. – seen as the two greatest obstacles to the coming of the Mahdi and the age of Islamic "justice" that would ensue.
"We have to train honest forces that can stop the obstacles that may hinder the coming of the Mahdi like the United States and Israel," Saeedi stated. Saeedi also emphasized that the Iranian revolutionary guard possessed a special religious authority to prepare the way for the Mahdi.

Interesting information, Fred.

In addition to the five nations listed in this article, I think there need to be two more. That would make the 7 heads on the beast that John saw. (Heads represent governments or countries and horns represent kings)

If we see such a coalition come together with the addition of two more countries, that would look like a possibility. (Saudi Arabia and Syria, maybe?)

sndbay
Aug 19, 2009, 02:35 PM
Muslim leader wants Temple rebuilt (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106055)



The Plain Truth: What? Muslim leader wants Temple rebuilt (http://www.plaintruth.com/the_plain_truth/2009/08/what-muslim-leader-wants-temple-rebuilt.html)

I believe we will soon have a famine for the truth.

Amos 8:11-12 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

paraclete
Aug 19, 2009, 02:57 PM
Muslim leader wants Temple rebuilt (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=106055)



The Plain Truth: What? Muslim leader wants Temple rebuilt (http://www.plaintruth.com/the_plain_truth/2009/08/what-muslim-leader-wants-temple-rebuilt.html)

I believe we will soon have a famine for the truth.

Amos 8:11-12 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

I wouldn't rush too soon into the camp of this "muslim leader" but do some research on who he actually is. The Plain Truth is not what I would call an authoritative source

galveston
Aug 19, 2009, 03:11 PM
I wouldn't rush too soon into the camp of this "muslim leader" but do some research on who he actually is. The Plain Truth is not what I would call an authoritive source

I looked for this man's bio, but didn't find much.

My position is that I don't believe any non-Muslim could secure a peace agreement with Israel that would last. There have been many made and quickly broken in the past.

The Anit-Christ will make one with Israel that will last until he breaks it 3 1/2 years later.

My idea of his profile:

(1) He will be a prominent Muslim leader, respected by most muslims in all countries.
(2) He will be seen as a moderate that can be dealt with by Israel, and probably most in the West.
(3) The consummate politician that will say what everyone wants to hear and make them believe that he is sincere.

(Not attempting to identify ANYONE at this point of being the Anti-Christ.)

arcura
Aug 19, 2009, 10:29 PM
galveston,
The problem with all this today is that the extremest Muslim members have a penchant to kill moderates.
So if a moderate is going to be recognized by both sides he is going to have to be and extremely charismatic person to charm all sides well.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

sndbay
Aug 20, 2009, 07:54 AM
I wouldn't rush too soon into the camp of this "muslim leader" but do some research on who he actually is. The Plain Truth is not what I would call an authoritive source

Agree.. So here's the GREEN TAG I was not permitted to give you.

This entire news release appears to be publicity announcement for the author of a new book.. Just a thought of what might be the under line stunt.

Refer:
"The Islamic Antichrist: The Shocking Truth About the Real Nature of the Beast," that returned from Turkey recently with news that a prominent Islamic teacher and best-selling author and Jewish Sanhedrin rabbis are hoping to do just that.

Adnan Oktar, who uses the pen name of Harun Yahya, is a controversial but highly influential Muslim intellectual and author with more than 65 million of his books in circulation worldwide. Oktar recently met with three representatives from the re-established Jewish Sanhedrin, a group of 71 Orthodox rabbis and scholars from Israel, to discuss how religious Muslims, Jews and Christians can work together on the project.

sndbay
Aug 20, 2009, 08:19 AM
The Anit-Christ will make one with Israel that will last until he breaks it 3 1/2 years later.


Mathew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

Matthew 24:21-22 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

arcura
Aug 20, 2009, 09:22 PM
sndbay,
Thanks for that information. It is interesting.
Fred