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cgroup49
Jul 27, 2009, 04:42 PM
There is a person who is living in my apartment with an expired lease, has paid rent and does not have my permission to stay. Can I change the locks to take back my property?

s_cianci
Jul 27, 2009, 04:47 PM
You'd have to go through the formal eviction process, which in most jurisdictions takes 30 days. Just out of curiosity, if this "tenant" is paying rent and is current, then why would you want to evict him/her? The title of your thread is "squatter" eviction. Generally, the word "squatter" implies that the inhabitant is not paying rent and does not have nor ever had authorization to inhabit the premises.

ProjectAdvisor
Jul 27, 2009, 04:57 PM
The terms of the lease should state the exact conditions to vacate the premises.

Did you served them with notice to quit? If you have not given written notice and the lease has an automatic renewal clause, no you can not put them out. You have to give them notice to vacate the premises. The written notice must be in compliance with the lease agreement.

If you have given written notice and the that time is up. You can change the locks.

However, the safest thing to do is to take them to court. You do not need hire an attorney. Just go to the small claims court in your district, they will show you how to fill out the papers. Act quickly, because these thing can take some time, and the longer you wait the more money they will owe to you.

JudyKayTee
Jul 27, 2009, 05:34 PM
You cannot change the locks before you go to Court and get an order to that effect.

Fr_Chuck
Jul 27, 2009, 08:19 PM
No you can not ever just "change the locks" until you have a formal eviction though the courts and the officer comes out to sit out the property.

Before that, you have to wait for them to move out on their own.

cgroup49
Jul 27, 2009, 09:15 PM
I have posted/served them with a three day notice & I also gave the a 24 hour notice for inspection. I spoke with them over the phone & told them if don't remove their items that I would change the locks

Fr_Chuck
Jul 27, 2009, 09:20 PM
You can threaten to do all sorts of illegal things ( short or real threats)
If you lock them out, they can sue you for damages and unlawful eviction. No amount of warning makes it legal.
After you give notice and they don't mvoe, you file for a eviction in court

JudyKayTee
Jul 28, 2009, 06:59 AM
[QUOTE=ProjectAdvisor disagrees: I have been both a landlord and I roommate. I hae changed the locks for non-payment of rent and the courts later up help my decision. This was not something that I made up.
QUOTE]



The fact that you changed the locks for non-payment and somehow were able to "get away" with it does NOT make it legal.

People speed all the time, drive unlicensed and don't get caught. That doesn't make speeding and driving unlicensed illegal.

This is very poor legal advice.

It never occurred to me that you made it up. I just think it's quasi-legal advice that could get someone else into a lot of trouble. That's all.

N0help4u
Jul 28, 2009, 09:10 AM
What state are you in that you gave 3 day notice. From my understanding 3 day is for failure to pay. Some states do have 3 day though.
You said your renter has paid in which case I am wondering if you shouldn't be giving more like a 15 day notice.
Then as the others have said you then go to court and get another eviction notice if they haven't left after your written notice. Then when they still haven't left when that order is up the sheriff comes and escorts them off the property.

Sure you can change the locks as Project A.
Has said BUT you could also be looking at an illegal eviction lawsuit if they check into how legal your tactics are.

JudyKayTee
Jul 28, 2009, 09:53 AM
You'd have to go through the formal eviction process, which in most jurisdictions takes 30 days. Just out of curiosity, if this "tenant" is paying rent and is current, then why would you want to evict him/her? The title of your thread is "squatter" eviction. Generally, the word "squatter" implies that the inhabitant is not paying rent and does not have nor ever had authorization to inhabit the premises.



Actually in NJ (where you are) it's a 3 day notice following by the period of the rental agrement, i.e. 30 days (month to month).

N0help4u
Jul 28, 2009, 10:06 AM
Yeah I was thinking NJ was one of the 3 day.

ScottGem
Jul 28, 2009, 10:08 AM
Comments on this post
ProjectAdvisor (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/projectadvisor.html) disagrees: I have been both a landlord and I roommate. I hae changed the locks for non-payment of rent and the courts later up help my decision. This was not something that I made up.

If this is true then there has to be some extenuating circumstances that allowed the court to go along.

The law, at least in all 50 US states, is that you cannot lonck a person out of their home without a court order.

To cGroup. A 3 day notice is only if they are delinquent in their rent or, otherwise violating the lease. Even the lease has expired they are considered month to month tenants and the terms of the lease still apply, except for rent and term.

To remove them you have to go through the full legal eviction process for your area.

JudyKayTee
Jul 28, 2009, 11:05 AM
However, the safest thing to do is to take them to court. You do not need hire an attorney. Just go to the small claims court in your district, they will show you how to fill out the papers. Act quickly, because these thing can take some time, and the longer you wait the more money they will owe to you.



The question (in part) is: "There is a person who is living in my apartment with an expired lease, has paid rent and does not have my permission to stay."

I just caught this in your answer - in my area (at least) Small Claims Court does NOT handle evictions. Where are you that they do?

I have a run down of all the States and don't see anywhere where Small Claims will handle evictions - but anything is possible.

N0help4u
Jul 28, 2009, 11:13 AM
I just caught this in youjr answer - in my area (at least) Small Claims Court does NOT handle evictions. Where are you that they do?

I know that Fr_chuck is in Georgia and he says you have to go to housing court.

LisaB4657
Jul 28, 2009, 01:28 PM
Actually in NJ (where you are) it's a 3 day notice following by the period of the rental agrement, i.e., 30 days (month to month).
NJ changed the law. If a tenant has not paid rent there is no "pay or quit" notice required anymore. The landlord can immediately file a lawsuit for eviction.

JudyKayTee
Jul 28, 2009, 01:54 PM
NJ changed the law. If a tenant has not paid rent there is no "pay or quit" notice required anymore. The landlord can immediately file a lawsuit for eviction.



Thanks Lisa - apparently the Internet has not caught up to NJ law.

My apologies for my error.

I see that this "squatter" has paid rent - in that instance is it still 3 days/rental period?

N0help4u
Jul 28, 2009, 02:01 PM
I did read that NJ was no notice now but it gets too confusing to me sometimes what is the newer law and all.

LisaB4657
Jul 28, 2009, 02:49 PM
Thanks Lisa - apparently the Internet has not caught up to NJ law.

My apologies for my error.
NP. I just heard about it recently.


I see that this "squatter" has paid rent - in that instance is it still 3 days/rental period?
Unfortunately, in NJ a landlord must offer a tenant a renewal lease unless there is one of 16 specific conditions, such as the tenant habitually paying late or causing damage, or the landlord selling the property and one of the conditions of the sale is that the property is vacant, or the landlord is permanently removing it from the rental market, etc.

If one of the 16 conditions is not present then the landlord cannot evict the tenant. If one of the 16 conditions exists then the time for notice varies. It can be anywhere from 3 days to 90 days, depending on the reason.

A great source for landlord/tenant info in NJ is http://www.nj.gov/dca/codes/lt/pdf/t_i_r.pdf

ScottGem
Jul 28, 2009, 04:03 PM
Was it ever established where the OP lives?

Fr_Chuck
Jul 28, 2009, 04:33 PM
Also they are not a squatter, they are merely a renter.

s_cianci
Jul 28, 2009, 04:50 PM
Comments on this post
ProjectAdvisor disagrees: I have been both a landlord and I roommate. I have changed the locks for non-payment of rent and the courts later up help my decision. This was not something that I made up.

If this is true then there has to be some extenuating circumstances that allowed the court to go along.One thing that I think a lot of people overlook when discussing legal issues is that there is such a thing as judicial discretion. Now whether judges are legally "allowed" to exercise such discretion I'll leave up to those more knowledgeable than myself. But, lawful or not, it does happen, that's the reality of the situation. Whether it's out of arrogance or out of a conscientious desire to truly administer justice as they see fit or maybe even a combination of the two I really don't know. Personally I'd like to think it's the latter. But regardless, anyone who's going to have dealings with the court system, whether as a plaintiff, defendant or lawyer, has to be prepared for such possibilities, regardless, of what "the book says" or what "my lawyer says."

JudyKayTee
Jul 30, 2009, 02:07 PM
One thing that I think a lot of people overlook when discussing legal issues is that there is such a thing as judicial discretion. Now whether or not judges are legally "allowed" to exercise such discretion I'll leave up to those more knowledgeable than myself. But, lawful or not, it does happen, that's the reality of the situation. Whether it's out of arrogance or out of a conscientious desire to truly administer justice as they see fit or maybe even a combination of the two I really don't know. Personally I'd like to think it's the latter. But regardless, anyone who's going to have dealings with the court system, whether as a plaintiff, defendant or lawyer, has to be prepared for such possibilities, regardless, of what "the book says" or what "my lawyer says."


A ruling from ANY Judge which ruling is not in conformity with the Law can be appealed and that appeal can be won.

I do not see "judicial discretion" being an out for a decision contrary to law.

I have a suspicion that if the actual circumstances of the situation are posted the Order/Judgment is in conformity with the Law.

I do not understand why an eviction was heard in Small Claims Court.

N0help4u
Jul 30, 2009, 02:17 PM
In my county small claims is what does evictions.

JudyKayTee
Jul 30, 2009, 05:59 PM
In my county small claims is what does evictions.



I certainly believe you - you always know what you're talking about and you've set me straight a number of times - :) - but all I can find is that the matter is heard by a Magistrate. There is no housing court/eviction court in your County?

Before I give out more bad advice, do you have a section of Law or something on this?

I continue to be amazed -

N0help4u
Jul 30, 2009, 06:10 PM
The small claims court where I live has a magistrate and also called district court.

The closest thing I know to housing is the sect 8 and they don't have any court.

They do everything traffic violations, criminal,
Housing, etc... but usually some criminal cases are sometimes sent downtown by the actual hearing from what I understand.
Housing and traffic rarely get sent downtown unless you get the ticket downtown.

28 cases make a slow day for district justice (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04273/387018-57.stm)
She is a real railroader and everyone is discouraged from going over her to appeal their case even by their lawyers

These are the other district courts.
http://www.alleghenycourts.us/directory/default.asp?show=district_justices

ScottGem
Jul 30, 2009, 06:54 PM
The small claims court where I live has a magistrate and also called district court.

The closest thing I know to housing is the sect 8 and they don't have any court.

They do everything traffic violations, criminal,
housing, etc......but usually some criminal cases are sometimes sent downtown by the actual hearing from what I understand.
Housing and traffic rarely get sent downtown unless you get the ticket downtown.

28 cases make a slow day for district justice (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04273/387018-57.stm)
She is a real railroader and everyone is discouraged from going over her to appeal their case even by their lawyers

These are the other district courts.
Magisterial District Judges | Offices (http://www.alleghenycourts.us/directory/default.asp?show=district_justices)

I suspect the real answer here is not that evictions are heard by Small Claims court, but that the magistrates court hears, small claims, evictions and other civil actions.

JudyKayTee
Jul 30, 2009, 07:48 PM
If the Magistrate does hear all types of cases that does not mean eviction is heard in Small Claims Court - it means the same Judge sits in Small Claims Court and whatever other Court there is.

I'm continuing to see what I can see -

N0help4u
Jul 30, 2009, 07:58 PM
All I know is that they have district courts that hear ALL the cases and some eventually go downtown to the Allegheny County court.
They do the evictions too because I have known a lot of people that were always getting evicted and they went down to the district court.

**Child Protective Services has Family court and everything goes directly through them
And there is a traffic court only if you got a ticket from a Pittsburgh police otherwise it goes to the district court.

N0help4u
Jul 31, 2009, 06:57 AM
JudyKayTee agrees: I can only IMAGINE the backlog that the Court faces.

Basically you walk in the lawyers say a couple sentences. The Judge charges you and you walk out. Its all predetermined and you rarely get to even have a say. You are in and out within 5 minutes usually. Kangroo court!