Hello Christians, and anyone else who is offended by down home cussing:

I started thinking about words. I'm not offended by any of them. Some of the worst, are actually the best, in my view. But, I know some people are, and I wanted to talk to them. You guys are the closest to the ones whom I'd expect are offended by certain words...

Ok, is it the WORD, or what the word suggests that is offensive? Like, how is, "that's freaking good" OK, as opposed to "that's f***** good"? Is even writing that word the way I just did using lots of ***'s, offensive??

excon

I shouldn't answer because words don't offend me, they're just words, they only have power if you give them power.

That's all I have to say about that. :)

I shouldn't answer because words don't offend me, they're just words, they only have power if you give them power.

That's all I have to say about that. :)

Hey, Forrest Gump says that last sentence!

Ex, it's about attitude. And if a person is addicted to using those words they frequently fall into the category of the fallen. I love the F word. But then, if someone uses it for more than 8 parts of speech it starts to get boring.

Attitude. What do I mean? Do you know what I mean? It's something about "not supposed to." Those words "aren't nice, so they are not allowed..." When someone tells me not to do something that actually causes harm, I listen.

I don't really mind them. I agree with Simone, you can throw around too many F bombs.

Slap my face and call me Sally, I cuss, not in every sentence but I say the occasional "sh!t" when something happens... so now my two year old says it,I can't really punish her for saying it-- after all monkey see monkey do. If I hear her cussing I usually replace the world like "f-ck" turns into "duck"--- I heard her say "Oh DUCK" the other day. Doesn't bother me. She'll cuss when she's older. Some may think I'm a bad parent for this but well... F you. Kidding.

I do however respect other people because most people are offended by using profanity and I realize some words actually hurt others so I stay clear of that. It's also not like I'm going to be going to a job interview saying "Thanks for the f--ng interview"

So to conclude, I don't cuss at people... I usually cuss at myself.

... Sarah

Hello Christians, and anyone else who is offended by down home cussing:

I started thinking about words. I'm not offended by any of them. Some of the worst, are actually the best, in my view. But, I know some people are, and I wanted to talk to them. You guys are the closest to the ones whom I'd expect are offended by certain words....

Ok, is it the WORD, or what the word suggests that is offensive? Like, how is, "that's freaking good" OK, as opposed to "that's f***** good"? Is even writing that word the way I just did using lots of ***'s, offensive???

excon




I am a Christian and have children. I don't like listening to it at all. And, I definitely don't like for my children to hear it. Even before I was a Christian, I did not use bad language because it sounded degrading, nasty, and served no purpose.

I am somewhat offended by all methods, but mostly disappointed in the user since he has no control over himself. It also shows he has no respect for himself or others around him. It almost always has negative consequences. There ARE healthy ways to "vent."

Does that mean that I don't hear it. No, it is all around me. For me, I choose not to use "bad language" because the Bible plainly states, "to not left any corrupt communication come from your mouth." So, I don't use it or think it.

My questions is back to you as to why you feel like you need to use it. There is so much more positive words that you could choose. IT IS more of a challenge to bridle your tongue and control it, than to let it run wild.

If you, Mr. Excon, really use this type of language, then I CHALLENGE you to try to "bridle" your tongue for a week and SEE if you are able to bring it under control. What do you have to lose?

"A horse under control will bring his master honor, but one out of control will only bring death." Rita

I have a pretty thick skin as you probably know. Words don't offend me. HOWEVER I am teaching my kids what I have been taught: overuse of standard swearing words reveals a lack of vocabulary and a generalized problem with socializing with others.

I use those words all the time. But in the proper audiences. I wouldn't started saying F this and F that in church or in line at the grocery store. I think there are times and places they shouldn't be used only for the offense of others listening. But at the same time, what makes them offensive? They are all words in the dictionary like every other. Its an individual choice to use them and an individual choice if they offend you or not.

then I CHALLENGE you to try to "bridle" your tongue for week and SEE if you are able to bring it under control. What have you got to lose? Hello rita:

Thanks for your comments... I think we're getting somewhere.. It's really not a matter of "bridling" my tongue. In order to DO that, or even CONSIDER doing that, I would have to think that my tongue is about to utter something fowl.

When I swear, I don't consider it fowl at all. It adds a certain color and depth to the conversation. In fact, there are certain swear words that simply can't be replaced by any other.

That's not to say that I don't consider others within earshot. I respect that people, like yourself, don't want to hear it, and I don't impose my will upon others.

Instead of ME changing my thinking, I suggest that you consider that when I swear, I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, and don't think I have anything to "bridle".

excon

I never have found it proper to just throw the words around in front of people but I have no problem with using them of other people using them. I just choose who I say them in front of. I was told at work that I am not allowed to say the F word in front of female co-workers because they might get offended and press sexual harrasement charges. I don't see how that makes sense but I have to follow by it. Also I am not allowed to cuss over the CB in my office because we aren't allowed to say them over radio waves even though everyone does. I don't know if we would get shut down using them or what. I was always told it isn't proper to say the words in front of ladies so I try to refrain from that. Now something I never have said and never will is using the lords name in vain. I don't believe it is practicing good faith. Anyway, if anyone says the words in front of me, I will not care.

I swear all the time. I try not to swear in front of kids but a few slip out. My family curses all the time. The best was when my wife first met my family I had to explain to her look we don't talk to each other we yell and curse at each other. We aren't mad or anything like that it's just the way we are. 8 years later she is still uncomfortable.

To me it isn't a big deal. Like Ex said you can say frick or frak or talk like Ned Flanders from the Simpsons but we know what you really mean. I love when They dub out curses on TV like I'm going to kill that mickeyficky.

Excon, I do, and have, cussed like a sailor. I'm not proud of it, but I still do it. Usually at work, mainly. I have two young sons that think I'm omnipotent, so I really have to watch my mouth around them. It's not that hard, I just do it automatically. I don't use the " F " word around my wife, or other women that much either. But it's really ironic that you bring this point up right now. There's a guy that I work with that was " saved" 5 years ago, and he takes every opportunity to call someone out for using profanity. I mean da**, sh**, "light" cuss words . You see, this guy has raised more "heck" in his life than ANYBODY else I know. Drugs, alcohol, a real wild one. But now that he's found the Lord, he's "offended" by such words. He really plays it up too, like he wants everyone to KNOW he is a strict Christian, so he purposely EMBARRASSES people that use these words around him. Once he called out our senior manager in a crowded conference room for saying " shooting the sh**". Totally unnecessary in my book. I think he did it just to prove that he was newly " annointed". It's not like he's Amish or something like that. You see, he still goes to , and rents R rated movies that warn of profanity, so don't tell me it's that big of a deal. It would be like me, a former smoker, coughing and complaining about someone that is smoking around me. In the meantime , I'm respectful, and trying to watch my mouth. Words are just words, some truly hurt to the core, but lets pick our battles. Television shows nowadays are filled with profanity that makes me cringe when my kids are watching. But, adults should be a little more *7^5$#@! Tolerant.

Hello rita:

Thanks for your comments... I think we're getting somewhere.. It's really not a matter of "bridling" my tongue. In order to DO that, or even CONSIDER doing that, I would have to think that my tongue is about to utter something fowl.

When I swear, I don't consider it fowl at all. It adds a certain color and depth to the conversation. In fact, there are certain swear words that simply can't be replaced by any other.

That's not to say that I don't consider others within earshot. I respect that people, like yourself, don't want to hear it, and I don't impose my will upon others.

Instead of ME changing my thinking, I suggest that you consider that when I swear, I don't think I'm doing anything wrong, and don't think I have anything to "bridle".

excon


Thanks for being so honest. So far I have determined that you are intelligent and emotional but numb in the "what is a "bad word" category. A nice but somewhat awkward personality.

It definitely sounds like you have made it a "habit." A habit, you know, is something we do without thinking about it. It becomes a part of us. If you have children, you know that habits are the hardest to break.

Because you said you respect others within earshot, this means that you are aware of what you are saying. Do you choose not to "cuss" before them out of respect for the listeners, OR do you choose not to "cuss" because you have a sense of "It is wrong."

I am an adult, and even I have habits that need to be broken. So, we are not so different. I, however, make an effort to "check" any habits that are offensive and "wrong" before God. (I am a Christian and I have to answer to Him.) I also read His word and know what pleases and displeases Him.

What happened to your conscience? Would you take my word for it that it was wrong? Would you take God's word for it that it was wrong? Did your parents not tell you it was wrong? Whose teaching did you leave behind? Whose teachings did you pick up?

I disagree with you where you said that there are certain swear words that can't be replaced by others. I wonder how I managed to live my entire 46 years and not utter one of them. I was not even raised in a Christian home and heard bad language even then. I just chose not to use them. Even then I had a sense of right and wrong.

If God stood before you, would you use "bad language?" What is your sense of right and wrong. Would you teach your children to curse? Would you teach anyone to curse? I still issue the challenge just to see if you can use "flowery" words when you feel the need to use your selection.

You can always get back to me next week and tell me your progress. Just a note, I harbor no ill will (just disappointment) towards those that use bad language. As a Christian, I rub shoulders with non-Christians all the time. (I am sure that there may be Christians that use bad language as well.) Most of them have respect for me, and choose not not use "language." I respect them for it. Look forward to your reply.

"A fog will always cover the beauty around us." Rita

Personally, I find words like "God is the only way to salvation" MORE offending than the F-bomb.

Perhaps those people that think I should not say "F**k" in front of their kids should not talk about God in front of me, because I find that offensive.

My mother calls my dad a "horse's patoot" when she's mad at him. Seriously--is that any BETTER than calling him an arse, which is what she means?

What about the use of the word bloody? My English friend uses that word as often as some of my friends use the F word. Same with "wanker" instead of "sh*thead".

If I say "god bless it" instead of "god damn it"---but mean the SAME thing when I say it--does it really matter what I'm SAYING?

/shrug

It comes down to this: If you don't like it, then don't say it. Teach your kids that it's wrong. But don't tell ME that I can't say it, because I'll be too busy teaching my kids that talking about religion in mixed company is rude and offensive.

(yeah, that was a bit of a soapbox)

If it's not using the Lord's name in vain, is it against His will? Or is it society's will?

Hello again, rita:

Look. I'm not buying your "swearing is wrong" theory, so I have no "habit" to break.

I am aware that certain people don't like to hear certain words. I don't utter them out of respect for the PEOPLE. But, it doesn't mean I agree with them.

You ask about my teachings as if to suggest that I've been taught wrong. Hmmm. I wonder what teachings YOU have that would cause you to make such a judgment. In fact, I could say that it's YOUR teachings that have you fogged in - not the other way around

excon

You did ask Christians along with others to answer. I was only giving an answer. In all honesty, I was not judging you but only going by what you said in your post.

You assumed that Christians were offended by language and to that I responded. You wanted to know why. If a person is a Christian they will be somewhat offended by bad language.

Where did I get my teachings? From my parents when I was young. Then when I became a Christian, I read in the Bible where it was wrong.

I was not preaching to you but only sharing a part of my Christian walk and my use of bad language. It was not meant to offend anyone that uses curse words. Besides, I assumed everyone's parents or peers had told them it was not right to use bad language.

I was truly interested in how you had no trouble in saying them. Was my question not fair since you did ask it of Christians along with others? My answers were given in a playful manner. Sorry for all that I offended. Rita

Besides, I assumed everyone's parents or peers had told them it was not right to use bad language.

I was truly interested in how you had no trouble in saying them. Hello again, Rita:

There was a time in my life when I lived by other people's standards. Then I discovered my own. Mine are better.

excon

Hello again, Rita:

There was a time in my life when I lived by other people's standards. Then I discovered my own. Mine are better.

excon


Excon,
Fair enough. I can somewhat relate. There was a time in my life when I lived by my standards. Then I discovered God and His were better.

Thanks for being honest and open with me. Rita

rnrg, I'm curious what words you have chosen God to mean when He said "corrupt communication". No, I'm not asking you to list them or even describe them. But ask yourself, "why those words?" Certainly, God nor Jesus spoke of a list of what words were OK and what words were not.. especially since those words, and the language they are even spoken in, didn't even exist then.

Somewhere along the way, society began making it's own decisions with what words belong in that category. So really the one you are obeying is society, not God.

If someone doesn't feel that certain words are corrupt in the eyes of God, why should he be bound to the "laws" that society has placed on them?

Surely God meant the manner in which one speaks rather than the words themselves. An evil tongue and corrupt communication is achieved in much more deliberate ways than simply uttering specific words used to color ones point.

rnrg, I'm curious what words you have chosen God to mean when He said "corrupt communication". No, I'm not asking you to list them or even describe them. But ask yourself, "why those words?" Certainly, God nor Jesus spoke of a list of what words were ok and what words were not.. especially since those words, and the language they are even spoken in, didn't even exist then.

Somewhere along the way, society began making it's own decisions with what words belong in that category. So really the one you are obeying is society, not God.

If someone doesn't feel that certain words are corrupt in the eyes of God, why should he be bound to the "laws" that society has placed on them?

Surely God meant the manner in which one speaks rather than the words themselves. An evil tongue and corrupt communication is achieved in much more deliberate ways than simply uttering specific words used to color ones point.



I can agree with you that corrupt communication is achieved in much more ways.

I have not chosen any words, though. Before I was a Christian I knew a good word from a bad word because I had a conscience. Then when I became a Christian, God begin to clean up my use of "slangs." No one person had to tell me.

Also, if there was nothing wrong with these "bad" words, why would we tell our children not to say them. Is there a time in their young life that we will later tell them that it is okay. Society is not the only one that says these words are wrong. God may not have listed each one but he does know the intent of a person's heart when they say them. The verses below were written by God. When we become Christians, the Holy Spirit makes sure we are aware when we say something offensive, whether it is a sarcastic remark, a "curse" word, being rude, or insensitive. This includes filthy talking. In God's eyes, it is wrong.

Colossians 3:8) KJV “But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.”

I do know that as a Christian we should watch our language because we are representing God. Here are several verses that God has given us that I try to live by.

Ephesians 4:29) KJV “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.”

Ephesians 5:4) KJV “Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.”

(Matthew 5:16) KJV “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.”

(Matthew 15:11) Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

(Matthew 7:18) KJV “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.”

We are known by our fruits. As Christians we should not be known by fruits of foul speech.
Again, this is the way by which I live. No one has to agree with me or even be offended. But, Christians were asked to respond to this post. In the end, it is I that will have to stand before God and give an account of every idle word that I have said. Just another note, there are both believers and non-believers that choose not to use bad language.
Mine is because of God's word. Please understand that nothing that I have said was meant as offensive. For me, it is wrong.

Before I was a Christian I knew a good word from a bad word because I had a conscience. Then when I became a Christian, God begin to clean up my use of "slangs." No one person had to tell me.Just curious, how did God clean up your slang?

Just curious, how did God clean up your slang?

God's Holy Spirit that lives inside a believer convicted me each time that I would say a particular "slang," not to mention anything else that did not line up with what God says. That is part of having a relationship with God. God is without sin, and He expects and expected me to live my life in a way that would bring Him glory. Every believer goes through the same thing. Everything matters to God and that includes our speech.

It didn't happen overnight, but it did happen.

Interesting. I don't have voices in my head but I still self-moderate.

I can agree with you that corrupt communication is achieved in much more ways.

I have not chosen any words, though. Before I was a Christian I knew a good word from a bad word because I had a conscience. Then when I became a Christian, God begin to clean up my use of "slangs." No one person had to tell me.

Also, if there was nothing wrong with these "bad" words, why would we tell our children not to say them. Is there a time in their young life that we will later tell them that it is okay. Society is not the only one that says these words are wrong. God may not have listed each one but he does know the intent of a person's heart when they say them. The verses below were written by God. When we become Christians, the Holy Spirit makes sure we are aware when we say something offensive, whether it is a sarcastic remark, a "curse" word, being rude, or insensitive. This includes filthy talking. In God's eyes, it is wrong.

Colossians 3:8) KJV “But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.”

I do know that as a Christian we should watch our language because we are representing God. Here are several verses that God has given us that I try to live by.

Ephesians 4:29) KJV “Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.”

Ephesians 5:4) KJV “Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.”

(Matthew 5:16) KJV “Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.”

(Matthew 15:11) Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

(Matthew 7:18) KJV “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.”

We are known by our fruits. As Christians we should not be known by fruits of foul speech.
Again, this is the way by which I live. No one has to agree with me or even be offended. But, Christians were asked to respond to this post. In the end, it is I that will have to stand before God and give an account of every idle word that I have said. Just another note, there are both believers and non-believers that choose not to use bad language.
Mine is because of God's word. Please understand that nothing that I have said was meant as offensive. For me, it is wrong.

No worries.. nothing was taken offensively... good ol' wholesome discussion is all :D

You asked, "if there was nothing wrong with these "if there was nothing wrong with these " words, why would we tell our children not to say them?" And I have to ask the same thing? Why is that? Is it really because there is something wrong with this words? Or is it because at some point some highbrows elites thought them inappropriate while sipping tea... along with dipping your scone in jam or eating with your gloves on.

All of these things we are warned not to do in the verses you gave can be accomplished with the very vocabulary that you, yourself, uses. Filthiness, vileness, corruption, ignorance, jest, foolishness and whatever else is spread every day using words that are " words, why would we tell our children not to say them?".

I liked this:


When we become Christians, the Holy Spirit makes sure we are aware when we say something offensive, whether it is a sarcastic remark, a "socially acceptable" word, being rude, or insensitive. This includes filthy talking.

With or without the Holy Spirit, we do all have a conscience, which should tell us the same thing. We know when we are saying something meant to be offensive, sarcastic, rude, insensitive, or filthy. Whether we use "curse" words to say such things, doesn't really matter, although, the use of "those" words can make such things more impactful/influential/effective.

So if God knows your heart, He must know when the use of those words are not meant to be offensive, sarcastic, rude, insensitive, or filthy... but rather used to make something more impactful/influential/effective.

I think there are proper and improper ways to use a lot of words. And a lot of those words are socially acceptable language still. But there are those other ones that simply aren't acceptable regardless.

For example, I don't let my daughter use cuss words.. but I also don't let her use the word "those". Not that these words are forbidden but they, like other words, carry a lot of power. Once she understands the meaning and power of such words, along with the consequences of their misuse, she is well within her right to use them. Of course, if she misuses them, she'll have to "hate" the consequences :D

I have a pretty thick skin as you probably know. Words don't offend me. HOWEVER I am teaching my kids what I have been taught: overuse of standard swearing words reveals a lack of vocabulary and a generalized problem with socializing with others.

Nice answer!

The funny thing is that, if your conception of God is truly everywhere and everything, He/She is not only the inventor of the F word, He/She is the word itself. Therefore, anything you do is a creation of the ultimate creator, even saying bad words.

We are given free will but that doesn't mean that our will is not also that of our creator. How could we have free will if our every word and action was not supported by "God?" It's about making choices. The choices that show respect and caring for those around us are the choices that move us closer to what we really are.

Choosing to show respect and caring to those around me sometimes involves participating in slang usage. Sometimes, or perhaps all the time it involves complete and total acceptance of a person, exactly as she is; not as how a certain "truth" says she "should" be.

"People will say the wrong thing. You just have to remember that they meant to say the right thing. It allows you to be so much more gracious."

Okay ready for this?

I rarely listen to Joel Osteen but one day I happened to stop changing the channel and listen to his sermon. He was talking about the root meaning of 'taking offense'
It was exactly how I see it. When you get offended you are the one taking that upon yourself. The other person walks off fine in their own eyes and you are the one that leaves carrying the burden of accepting the offense because YOU TOOK offense. You walk away with it being your problem because you are STILL offended by it.
His sermon was way more indepth but basically that is it.

I have been through too much in life and seen and heard it all and so nothing shocks or offends me. That doesn't mean that I don't have an opinion on their behavior. Like if they have to repeatedly use cuss words to express their anger or what they want to say it shows me something about them. Like they claim that people who use cuss words to describe everything maybe have a limited vocabulary (as Needkarna pointed out), or maybe they have a poor outlook on life, or they don't know how to cope, but it DOES show something about them generally.

On the other hand I also agree that taking offense shows something about the ones that get offended,
Like
Sheltered life
Or
Self righteous
Pious
Snouty, uppity ups

It's about making choices. The choices that show respect and caring for those around us are the choices that move us closer to what we really are.

Choosing to show respect and caring to those around me sometimes involves participating in slang usage. Sometimes, or perhaps all the time it involves complete and total acceptance of a person, exactly as she is; not as how a certain "truth" says she "should" be.

"People will say the wrong thing. You just have to remember that they meant to say the right thing. It allows you to be so much more gracious."

Greenie
But with the last sentence I don't think it is so much that they meant to say the right thing as it is that we just reword it in our head with our own words and just accept how they said what they said knowing we understand what they meant.

There is no need to use these words in general speech, but they have entered the language because its cool to be a shock jock or shock jill. Actually its not cool just immature as anyone who has watched that idiot chef Ramsey on TV would know, it just makes you look like a raving maniac. I found that when I truly became a christian I was delivered of using such language, now I think it's apparent that the Holy Spirit set the standard and we Christians should follow the example of Jesus who used wit instead cussing to get the point across

Excon, I am coming to realize you like to stir that pot so the sh*t don't stick to the bottom! Hahahaha

But in all seriousness, as a pagan there are certain traditions of my faith that hold very STRONGLY that words do have power. Even a mildly spoken curse can be considered just that. I was taught to always be mindful of what you say.

Yep but
That is the thing you were delivered from it but most people don't even realize they need 'delivered'.

Excon, I am coming to realize you like to stir that pot so the sh*t don't stick to the bottom! hahahaha

But in all seriousness, as a pagan there are certain traditions of my faith that hold very STRONGLY that words do have power. Even a mildly spoken curse can be considered just that. I was taught to always be mindful of what you say.

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Yep but
That is the thing you were delivered from it but most people don't even realize they need 'delivered'.

Or most people DON'T need "delivered".

What is offensive to one person (or one person's god) is not necessarily offensive to another person (or THEIR god).

Yep only Christians NEED 'delivered' if you really think about it.

That's not true! I want my creamsicles delivered from the Schwans guy!!

There is no need to use these words in general speech, but they have entered the language because its cool to be a shock jock or shock jill. Actually its not cool just immature as anyone who has watched that idiot chef Ramsey on TV would know, it just makes you look like a raving maniac. I found that when I truly became a christian I was delivered of using such language, now I think it's apparent that the Holy Spirit set the standard and we Christians should follow the example of Jesus who used wit instead cussing to get the point across

While I respect you opinion, do not assume that I use dirty words to shock or because I am immature. Nor am I a raving maniac, which is what your words imply. When Jock and Jill use the words first in a conversation and are comfortable with them then I will use those words too out of respect for their acceptance and understanding of them.

Someone who is delivered from using such language may need to use wit. Wit is kindness when used correctly. Judgement is not wit, it is cruel and ostracizing. I guess you didn't understand a word of what I wrote. You just simply slammed and put down everyone who uses slang. WWJD?

My apologies Chey

Sorry this is the best I could do

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For shizzle! I LIKE chef Ramsey. I also like people who don't come across as total idiots, so what does that say about personal preferences. DONG! Hit it on the head! This is actually about preferences, Christianity is just a REASON to act in regard to this in a positive or negative manner. What about being deaf? Does cussing at a deaf person who has no clue what you are saying make it more or less relevant?

Hello again:

I swear a lot. But, it's been 15 years since I swore at somebody.

But, back to the WORDS. It's true. I COULD use others, but sometimes THOSE words are the perfect ones to use. You can call it passing gas, or breaking wind... But sometimes you just have to call it a fart. Now, I don't know whether that's a swear word to you, or whether it's offensive or not. I don't know about you, but fart jokes are still funny. Besides, you still haven't told me whether freakin or fricken are just fine, but another spelling isn't.

That's all I want to know.

excon

I thought frickin was the word the ones that get offended use to be polite...
You know like oops that frickin poot I just let out is soooo embarrassing
Hmmmm I wonder WHO all really talk like that??
I know in Texas they call bars Ice houses and this big biker dude told me that was drinking in the ice house another big biker dude said ''oops I pooted''.
I ROTFLMAO picturing a big biker dude saying that.

Yeah, it's good to really know what you're talking about... Aren't freakin' and fricken' just variations of the F word?

Those breaking-wind machines are so freakin' funny, well, I must think so 'cause I own 3. In fact we were wetting our pants joking around with them when my Aunt said that it was offensive to her. Hey, we put them away till she left! She came by unnanounced while we were laughing, her bad.

Yeah, it's good to really know what you're talking about...Aren't freakin' and fricken' just variations of the F word?

Those breaking-wind machines are so freakin' funny, well, I must think so 'cause I own 3. In fact we were wetting our pants joking around with them when my Aunt said that it was offensive to her. Hey, we put them away till she left! She came by unnanounced while we were laughing, her bad.

LOL I always hated the farting joking so I started telling my son and my boyfriend that they are the farts.
I have heard ONE good fart joke in my life that didn't irritate me :p
But my kids and boyfriend think it is a really stupid joke.

Why are certain sounds so funny to some? Why are certain words or sounds so offensive? My MIL thinks the movie Wayne's World is stupid. I crack up every time I see it. Learning to accept that we are all different, and that's okay, that's the trick.

Yeah it is weird there are a lot of common words that irritate my ears and other words that I kind of like.
Like I don't like 'rally around' for some reason.

I don't find the f word offensive in any way, it's just that I find the over use of it to be vulgar and unimaginative. It's really just used as an exclamation after all. What's the difference between an "idiot" and a "f-ing idiot"? It would seem that one is more of an idiot than the other. Even using the "censored" f-ing, instead of just typing the word itself seems quite absurd. It spells the same thing after all. The only reason I don't is that I realise that some people may take offence to it.

Yeah exclamation usage is more tolerable than listening to the obnoxious over use of words. But it isn't that I get offended but more like I feel like
WHY dion't they JUST shut UP!

Hello Christians, and anyone else who is offended by down home cussing:

I started thinking about words. I'm not offended by any of them. Some of the worst, are actually the best, in my view. But, I know some people are, and I wanted to talk to them. You guys are the closest to the ones whom I'd expect are offended by certain words....

Ok, is it the WORD, or what the word suggests that is offensive? Like, how is, "that's freaking good" OK, as opposed to "that's f***** good"? Is even writing that word the way I just did using lots of ***'s, offensive???

excon

From someone who never swear and I do mean never use any of the cussing words (except maybe "damn" or "darn" ), I find that when someone uses the F word in my presence, it sort of degrades them in my view.

I sort of lose respect for them because they seem to be crass enough to swear while talking to me.
Ok I can tolerate people when they swear but would prefer if they refrained while talking to me.

I am not sure if it is the word itself that offends, and more than that when people use the word damn or sh!t it seems less offensive.
Also possibly the F word seems to degrade an act of love that should not be termed as such.

I also find that when people use certain swear words in our native language it seems more offensive.I guess it seems more personal.

About the written word, most of the time the word does not seem offensive when I read than having a person say it to my face, again the feeling of it being more personal.

Hello Christians, and anyone else who is offended by down home cussing:

I started thinking about words. I'm not offended by any of them. Some of the worst, are actually the best, in my view. But, I know some people are, and I wanted to talk to them. You guys are the closest to the ones whom I'd expect are offended by certain words....

Ok, is it the WORD, or what the word suggests that is offensive? Like, how is, "that's freaking good" OK, as opposed to "that's f***** good"? Is even writing that word the way I just did using lots of ***'s, offensive???

excon

Why Christians? "You guys"?

Do you really need to have vulgarity explained to you? When Jews get married in front of family and Rabbi, do they say, "Do you take this f***** woman to be your wife"? - or whatever the Jewish ceremony is. I doubt it.

Do you have no sense of place? Even the worst low-lifes know when not to use bad language.

Shape up, excon.

Shape up, excon.Hello A:

You're a f**king idiot!

excon

Hello again:

Now, do you see what I mean? The superlative I used above communicates SOOOOO perfectly the tone I wanted to deliver. There ain't no other word that does that.

excon

Hello again:

Now, do you see what I mean?? The superlative I used above communicates SOOOOO perfectly the tone I wanted to deliver. There ain't no other word that does that.

excon

There are plenty of other words that do that. You're just not literate enough to know them.

I think it can depend on who you are with when using such "colourful" expressions. If you are with your friends and they all pepper their speech for emphasis, that can be one thing and many would not find offense in such a situation.

It is when someone has no regard for who they are speaking to, or in the presence of, and seemingly every other word could be challenged as being inappropriate, that it might be seen by some as either an appalling lack of language or social skills, or simply a lack of common courtesy.

Words can impact individuals greatly, whether you are the one speaking them or hearing them. I think the key is to just be mindful of where you are and who you are with so that you don't inadvertently offend or cause someone to think less of you that you might not want to leave with that impression.

I agree.
I forget who made ain't popular in I think a song. Back in the 60's or before (I think a Louie Armstrong song). I sure couldn't get away with ain't without hearing about it.

Ain't that a shame
Ain't nothing like the real thing

I think it can depend on who you are with when using such "colourful" expressions. If you are with your friends and they all pepper their speech for emphasis, that can be one thing and many would not find offense in such a situation.

It is when someone has no regard for who they are speaking to, or in the presence of, and seemingly every other word could be challenged as being inappropriate, that it might be seen by some as either an appalling lack of language or social skills, or simply a lack of common courtesy.

Words can impact individuals greatly, whether you are the one speaking them or hearing them. I think the key is to just be mindful of where you are and who you are with so that you don't inadvertently offend or cause someone to think less of you that you might not want to leave with that impression.

Obviously. But excon seems to be incapable of understanding this.

What does literacy have to do with it?

The main reason why people don't use such language is because they don't want other to look down on them... or think poorly of them.

A life spent in constant search for admiration is a life wasted. Doesn't take an educated man to figure as much.

Obviously. But excon seems to be incapable of understanding this.

I think that excon is capable of understanding most everything that comes across his monitor. Don't make the mistake of under estimating him.

I'm more likely to think you're an idiot if you use the wrong homonym (accept/except; your/you're; it's/its; etc.) than if they use swear words.

Idiocy is in HOW you use words--not which words you use.

I have absolutely NO problem with kids swearing in English papers if it makes them write in complete sentences: using the correct words, with the correct spelling and punctuation.

Its when dey can't keep from typing lyk idjits who's computers can't except the spellchecker because its 2 complakated and before you no it u'v got a 1337 grupe qwik typers who r 2 dum 2 axually no what the h3ll their talking about.

I think that excon is capable of understanding most everything that comes across his monitor. Don't make the mistake of under estimating him.

I haven't. My estimation is based on what he has written in this thread.

Do you have no sense of place? Even the worst low-lifes know when not to use bad language.

Shape up, excon.Hello again, Athos:

I suppose that you're not going to stop till I respond... Okee doakee.

Here I was having a nice discussion with my friends when you came along and insulted me. I took exception to it. Ain't nothing more difficult than that.

Now go climb back under your rock!

excon

I found the point of this thread to be the irony of society's outlook on what is acceptable here. As it has been said, it shouldn't be about the words that are used but the way in which you use them.

Ignorance can be just as easily displayed without the use of cuss words as it can with it.

And for the people who take offense to such words, why wouldn't replacement words offend just the same?

Why is "you're a frigging idiot" okay when "you're a f***ing idiot" is not? You are essentially saying the same thing. Sure the latter of the two packs a little more punch but it is only because of it's shock factor... which is only shocking because of this ingrained idea that such words are taboo.

Just another example of accepting "beliefs" that were passed down from other generations without ever stopping to ask why.

Hello again, Athos:

I suppose that you're not gonna stop till I respond.... Okee doakee.

Here I was having a nice discussion with my friends when you came along and insulted me. I took exception to it. Ain't nothing more difficult than that.

Now go climb back under your rock!

excon

These are public pages open to all members, not for the private use of you and your friends. Note that I "came along" to disagree with your position in your original post. If you felt insulted, my apology.

I have a pretty thick skin as you probably know. Words don't offend me. HOWEVER I am teaching my kids what I have been taught: overuse of standard swearing words reveals a lack of vocabulary and a generalized problem with socializing with others.

On thls we agree! Surprise, surprise!:D

Personally...

I know a lot of people that swear. I mean curse.

It all depends on the context. Honestly for me, when people say The Lord's name in vain. It does bother me to the core. That is just me personally.

Everything else does not really bother me.

Okay. As a Christian, I do not use those words and when they start coming in on the TV I either mute it or change channels. I am offended by it.

One lesson to be learned from all this is; don't lose a war.

Does that sound strange?

Several of our choice vulgarisms come from old Anglo Saxon language (or so I'm told). When they lost their country and society, even their language became profanity.

You can say lemaird, dung, or excrement in polite society, but tha Anglo Saxon term for the same substance is profanity. Same for some other words.

I had heard that, at some point in time, they used to ship manure/fertilizer by boat across seas. And that they used to store it down under the hull.. maybe to lock in the smell? Then someone noticed that a lot of ships kept exploding and they didn't know why. They finally figured out that it was because the methane gas that built up from storing the manure they way they were and something would spark or someone would like a cigar or whatever and ka-boom.

So they eventually had to mark the boats so the loaders would know to Ship High In Transit... which was abbreviated on the side of the boat launching the word into our language from then on...

No idea if that is true or not though...

Snopes says that is an urban legend.

I can't post the link here (doesn't work), so Google "snopes ship high in transit" to find it.

Mmm I haven't read all the posts.


But I'm a christian. But I also grew up in a sailors home. Lol. And as a teen I spent most of my time in the navy barracks and hangers hanging out with the guys (I was into older guys as a teen)

So yeah, words don't bother me. But I do get offended about people cussing around my daughter.

And I also agree its all in the infliction. If your saying 'ow I stubbed my F-ing toe" I don't care.

If your saying 'OMG your such a f-ing b---h' then, that's going to bother me, no matter who your saying it to, be it me, my friend, my duaghter, or even a complete stranger.

These are public pages open to all members, not for the private use of you and your friends. Note that I "came along" to disagree with your position in your original post. If you felt insulted, my apology.

I actually find it more insulting to watch a person behave like this toward another person, than have a person like excon ask a debatable question. Talk about a person more than happy to stir the pot and be insulting. I have no respect for this. Or more simply put, boo.

Syn, I like your answer the very bestest of them all. (chuckle) It annoys me and yet I don't bother with things like "its" sometimes when I am typing quickly. That line of thought bears more consideration. I dig it.

Like you ex I'm not bothered what people say, except for 1 word being the C word,that makes me cringe.

Unfortunately in today's culture all swear words seem to be matter of coarse,right down to small kids.

Where I work you'll hear Mums shout at their kids "f...... come here" when the child says "F... off they get a slap in the face from the Mum, the child will stand there thinking what have I done.

I have to say I can let rip like most people I know, especially in the area where I work which is mainly drug takers and alike, if I stood there being all posh I wouldn't gain their trust and they wouldn't hear a word I said, to get through to these people you have to adopt their way no matter how degrading it may seem,it's the only way you'll fit in and be accepted, underneath all the obscenities they are really lovely people and would protect me should there be a problem and I've had a few.

At the end of the day it's just words.

I think you have to adjust to the company your in, it's just the way it is now.

Matt 5:14-16
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(KJV)

Can you truthfully say that your light is shining if you go with the crowd?

Orphan, that was nicely said. No, some people do not pick up on minimal social cues. The lack of credit and acceptance given to someone raised not being exposed to proper English is appalling to me. Those who do know how to use language have the responsibliity to teach it through example.

Having said that... I love the C word. Granted, there have only been three women I have encountered that I could apply it to. And it probably shouldn't ever be used in polite company. When someone surpasses being a B**** by a mile, and you just want to knock them through a wall. That's a c***.

Hello Christians, and anyone else who is offended by down home cussing:

I started thinking about words. I'm not offended by any of them. Some of the worst, are actually the best, in my view. But, I know some people are, and I wanted to talk to them. You guys are the closest to the ones whom I'd expect are offended by certain words....

Ok, is it the WORD, or what the word suggests that is offensive? Like, how is, "that's freaking good" OK, as opposed to "that's f***** good"? Is even writing that word the way I just did using lots of ***'s, offensive???

excon

excon - what's up, man. Ok, so I got to just be upfront about one thing. Why do you have an axe to grind with Christians? Maybe you don't. But it does seem like you have some issue with Christians. Shxx, I have issues with Christians and I am one. But you know what, people are people. Jews hate how they are persecuted, I hate it when Jews come after Christians, and I hate it when Muslims fly planes into buildings to kill Jews, Christians, Atheists, and every other persuasion of people out there.

There are Orthodox Jews out there who would be upset if you said "fuxx." There are Christians out there and Muslims out there, and maybe even members of your own family who if they heard you throw the f-bomb would look at you funny. But it is a word that conjures up meaning to the person who hears it. Some people bristle at it because psychologically they have built up an immunity to it. I personally think that sometimes it just flows out of us when we are angry. Sometimes people pretend they would never say it but in their heart they do. I don't know what to make of it all but sometimes human beings say things to express the raw emotion they feel at times and we just can't help it.

Do you have kids? I bet if you do that you sometimes shield their little ears from your mouth. Why do you do that? It is because you are afraid of them doing the same? Or is it because you know that children do not have a mature context for language?

Don't take offense to what I'm saying here because I do not mean any of what I am saying to be offensive to you or to anyone else. But I have to call a spade a spade and you need someone to call your bluff. :)

Thanks, man.

The F word and others don't bother me a bit but I don't like the word hate or Nig--r or C--t(female anatomy)

I don't like when a young guy refers to his woman as his Bitc-!

That's about all I don't like ,the rest can be very useful for expression,if not overdone of course :)

I do have a problem with trendy expressions that are overdone and trite.

Like ,lets think outside the box.
Pushing the envelope(thankfully that one is dying off)
That call me thing with the hand gesture (gag)
That's how I do(really now)

And many many more.Not enough people have a genuine thought in their head.

Matt 5:14-16
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(KJV)

Can you truthfully say that your light is shining if you go with the crowd?

What if my answer was no... but the crowd was actually the one which chooses to give the power to the words themselves, rather than their meaning?

Whereas the other side of society, the sometimes deemed "less educated", might leave the power with the associated meaning and allow the words themselves to be used naturally in every day conversation.

It's kind of like the old cowboy that, after given what would have been a few months pay for randomly helping a damsel in distress (who happened to be the daughter of a wealthy socialite), turns to the lady and says, "Well thank you, ma'am! I'll be... I'm happier than a puppy with two peckers!"

To many, that saying would be appalling. But to that cowboy, it was a totally innocent way for him to genuinely express how thankful he was. Seems much more genuine that a "thank you, ma'am. Much obliged," at least.

Matt 5:14-16
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
(KJV)

Can you truthfully say that your light is shining if you go with the crowd?

Galveston, I appreciate what your saying and totally understand, however some of these young people have come to me for help, I thank the good guy upstairs for that, and yes I was able to help them.

The point that I was trying to make was that they felt they could approach me, they new I would understand where they were coming from, had I been un-approachable there would have been some very nasty situations, where the out come would have meant someone being hurt, disappearing and involving the law, which in this area you don't do,unless absolutely you've no where else to go.

Sometime it's better to deal with things within the community, they have their own ways.
I don't have to show others what I do, the fact that people come to me for help, tells me all I need to know.

Street cred' is very important in their community, I'd rather be their friend than have them as my enemy.

As I said it's only words, you have to look beyond.

excon - what's up, man. Ok, so I gotta just be upfront about one thing. Why do you have an axe to grind with Christians? But I have to call a spade a spade and you need someone to call your bluff. :)Hello jakester:

Bluff called...

I think you confuse disagreeing with Christian views, with disprespecting Christian people. These are my friends. We've discussed stuff like this before, even LOUDER than this. I'm not afraid to ask them questions - even weird stuff, like about swearing. I'm not afraid to disagree with them either. But, disagreement is NOT disrespect.

You can't find a post of mine where I've put people or their religion down.

excon

You can't find a post of mine where I've put people or their religion down.

I have to agree with that and even when you disagree you have a very light hearted and civil approach.I think you are a bit amused by it all and I suspect that you are a bit of a prankster as well.

Hello jakester:

Bluff called...

I think you confuse disagreeing with Christian views, with disprespecting Christian people. These are my friends. We've discussed stuff like this before, even LOUDER than this. I'm not afraid to ask them stuff - even weird stuff, like about swearing. I'm not afraid to disagree with them either. But, disagreement is NOT disrespect.

You can't find a post of mine where I've put people or their religion down.

excon

Ok, maybe I am confusing the two. And you know what, I'm actually cool with people disagreeing with Christian views. I am certainly not opposed to it at all.

Here's where my beef is, though. Even you, excon, have some sensibilities that can be offended. You didn't answer any of the other things I mentioned, though. Do you have children? If so, do you refrain from indulging in profantity when they are present? Or do you have family members that are really young and when you are in their company do you launch f-bombs?

Thanks, man. I appreciate your comments and I look forward to your answer to my questions.

Hello again, j:

Glad you asked... My answer is probably going to reflect a similar sentiment to the one I expressed above.

Swearing to punctuate, to color, to intone depth, isn't offensive to me. When used properly, instead of to shock, some words just can't be replaced.

However, swearing AT somebody, is quite offensive. Calling people names is offensive. It puts them down. That's not the kind of swearing I do.

I'm respectful of people. My mother taught me well. I actually have manners and I know how to behave in polite society. No, I don't drop f-bombs or any other words indiscriminately.

In my own house with my family and friends, I'm myself. I don't pretend. I pass on my values to my children, too. They don't swear in polite company either.

excon

PS> (edited) Ok, I swore AT that guy Athos. What?? You want perfection?

Hello again, j:

Glad you asked... My answer is probably gonna reflect a similar sentiment to the one I expressed above.

Swearing to punctuate, to color, to intone depth, isn't offensive to me. When used properly, instead of to shock, some words just can't be replaced.

However, swearing AT somebody, is quite offensive. Calling people names is offensive. It puts them down. That's not the kind of swearing I do.

I'm respectful of people. My mother taught me well. I actually have manners and I know how to behave in polite society. No, I don't drop f-bombs or any other words indiscriminately.

In my own house with my family and friends, I'm myself. I don't pretend. I pass on my values to my children, too. They don't swear in polite company either.

excon

PS> (edited) Ok, I swore AT that guy Athos. What??? You want perfection?

Thank you for your honesty. I really, really respect that. Personally, I am not offended by profanity because I am who I am as well, and I do swear sometimes.

In truth, the only point I was making was that it is not kosher to make fun of people who have sensibilities to refrain from doing certain things, like swearing. If a Christian, your mother, whoever, wants to teach his child that it is not appropriate to swear indiscriminately in front of others, is there really something wrong with that, excon? You teach your children that swearing is acceptable and some teach that swearing is unacceptable: bottom line is that each of us has to obey his conscience and follow it. What else can you do?

That's the point I was trying to make.

I like you, though, man. I think you are real.

To each their own... no doubt about that.

But this does go a little beyond that... it's not just what one thinks he or she should say in certain company. It's also extends to what people think should be said around them.

Eventually, it gets to the age old discussion of where free speech ends and offensiveness begins.

If a Christian, your mother, whoever, wants to teach his child that it is not appropriate to swear indiscriminately in front of others, is there really something wrong with that, excon?Hello again, j:

See, here's the thing. I don't think it's WRONG, and I haven't used that word. I think it's DIFFERENT. Different isn't wrong. Different is cool. I just want to know WHY people are different. I'm a curious bugger.

excon

Its different because god said so

I've never heard God say anything about the F word.

And I have never seen a Bible that mentions the F word or what God thinks about the F word.

I just threw out a immature reply

Fishing for another

Ahha! Wish I had known... I hope I didn't scare away any potential bites for you.

I guess it's kind of unfortunate how easy it is to assume that someone would really use that to justify their beliefs :D heh

Justifing my beleifs wasn't on the program

Right.. I gathered that with the whole 'fishing' comment.

The god comment was this.

There's always going to be some form of censourship.
Be it the environment,the company or just the day of the week
There's always going to be a controlling factor to speech

I don't find the f word offensive in any way, it's just that I find the over use of it to be vulgar and unimaginative. It's really just used as an exclamation after all. What's the difference between an "idiot" and a "f-ing idiot"?. It would seem that one is more of an idiot than the other. Even using the "censored" f-ing, instead of just typing the word itself seems quite absurd. It spells the same thing after all. The only reason I don't is that I realise that some people may take offence to it.


Just loved this answer! :D and agree :p

For those who believe swear words aren't, or shouldn't be, offensive... would the following scenarios make any difference? Is there a time and place for such language, or does anything go?:

Would you want your child's teacher using them in the classroom? What about at the elementary/primary school level?

Would it make a difference if the words were directed at your child regardless of the child's age?

Does hearing your partner tell you that they love you mean anything to you? Does it invoke any feeling in response? Or are they just words?

Have you ever felt anger or hurt if someone called you by one of the names? Is it different when it is in conversation as opposed to being directed at you?

I have found it ironic that the f word is often used in such derogatory ways when the act is one of such enjoyment.

F

I have found it ironic that the f word is often used in such derogatory ways when the act is one of such enjoyment.

Exactly what I said...

Is saying "I want to make love to you" to your spouse offensive?

How about if it's said in a church? An elementary school? A kid's birthday party?

There isn't a SINGLE word in that sentence that could be considered offensive in and of itself---it's the CONTEXT of the words, and the LOCATION that they are said.

Same for ALL words. I'm not going to say "f**k" when I visit a friend's church or by an elementary school---and in return, I ask that "God" and "Jesus" not be brought up at public schools and in the average workplace.

There is a time and place for EVERY type of word that might offend SOMEBODY.

Hello synn:

Virtual **greenie**

excon

For those who believe swear words aren't, or shouldn't be, offensive....would the following scenarios make any difference? Is there a time and place for such language, or does anything go?

There is always a time and a place for everything. "Swear words" or not, not all conversations are appropriate for any time of the day or in any situation.


Would you want your child's teacher using them in the classroom? What about at the elementary/primary school level?

I have actually had teachers that used swear words quite impactfully.

When used to serve a specific teaching purpose, I think it can be perfectly fine. Again, at an appropriate level when the students are old enough (or should be old enough) to understand.


Would it make a difference if the words were directed at your child regardless of the child's age?

I am not sure what you mean by "directed at your child" but if you mean to say that such words were meant as an attack on my child, yes, of course it would. So would calling a child stupid for not knowing an answer or calling him/her a baby for getting upset or ANY kind of attack on my child. What do swear words have to do with that?


Does hearing your partner tell you that they love you mean anything to you? Does it invoke any feeling in response? Or are they just words?

Yes, the words are JUST words. It is not the words that invoke feelings. What if I told you that I loved you right now? I don't think the words would invoke the same feelings you are talking about... right?

Obviously there is more to communication that just the words that we utter from our mouths. Seems to be the underlying theme to this thread...


Have you ever felt anger or hurt if someone called you by one of the names? Is it different when it is in conversation as opposed to being directed at you?

Yes & yes. I think we have all tried to make the point of intention here. Anger, hurt, fear, etc can be caused by the use of those words or the use of HUNDREDS of other words. Why isn't any insulting word a swear word then? What good ever comes from the word "stupid", "hate", "gross", etc. These are perfectly accepted words but really serve no other purpose that to insult.

[QUOTE=DoulaLC;1897237]I have found it ironic that the f word is often used in such derogatory ways when the act is one of such enjoyment.

Very true. But again, the same can be said of other words. "Love"... what better thing is there in this life? But what about the nonreciprocating love that when expressed to the loved one elicits the response "you don't even know what love is" or maybe "I could never love you" or even a completely sarcastic "oh yeah, I love you, too" (said while they are laughing.


The thing is that we have this beautifully colorful language at our disposal. So many words to say so few things... each adding its own nuance to what we want to express. Why limit that? Why try to smother out words that, for SOME unknown reason, have been deemed by "higher society" as inappropriate?

Worse than that... I find it insane that people live their ENTIRE lives never asking, "why?" So many people get brainwashed by what the way things were where the world prior to them left off. How could we ever grow, mature, and evolve as a society if everyone lived their lives this way? If we never sought to improve the life that was given to us, we would still be living in caves.

I try not to swear just because I think it's a good indicator of a very weak vocabulary. Same is someone saying "like" all the time, or ending every sentence with "and stuff" or "and s***" as it were. But I do swear, of course, I just usually try to express myself better than that.

Personally it doesn't offend me. But I know a lot of people are so I try to avoid it as much as possible. I actually used to cuss a lot when I was younger (and a lot cockier) and got yelled at on more than one occasion to "watch my mouth" or something similar. So I think that, more often than not, people are offended by it.

Hello again,

DrJ is right on.

I find it interesting that so many of you miss what I'm asking... I'm not talking ABOUT swearing, in that do you, or don't you, and I'm not asking whether it's offensive or not... THAT stuff, I know.

I'm talking about WHY some word is offensive. Is it because someone TOLD you to be offended, or does the word actually grate on your ears when you hear it...

excon

Hello again,

DrJ is right on.

I find it interesting that so many of you miss what I'm asking... I'm not talking ABOUT swearing, in that do you, or don't you, and I'm not asking whether it's offensive or not.... THAT stuff, I know.

I'm talking about WHY some word is offensive. Is it because someone TOLD you to be offended, or does the word actually grate on your ears when you hear it...

excon

I think you have a point here. We probably judge words by our pre-conditioning. What we heard, or did not hear at home in our formative years. I remember saying a phrase I heard a fellow first grader say, and mom heard me. Mistake! It did impress me though!

Actually, probably the single most offensive thing to me is to use "Jesus Christ" as an expletive. He is my best friend, and I resent that use of His Name.

That is NOT the result of conditioning in my formative years.

I think you have a point here. We probably judge words by our pre-conditioning. What we heard, or did not hear at home in our formative years. I remember saying a phrase I heard a fellow first grader say, and mom heard me. Mistake! It did impress me though!

Actually, probably the single most offensive thing to me is to use "Jesus Christ" as an expletive. He is my best friend, and I resent that use of His Name.

That is NOT the result of conditioning in my formative years.

Another excellent example. The words "Jesus" & "Christ" alone (or together) are not offensive words. But when used improperly can be quite offensive... whether that improper use is as an expletive or, for some, as a belief that is being taught out of turn.

Another example along those lines.. "damn it" by itself is not really considered a swear word (I understand that some may thing otherwise.. but by itself, it is pretty borderline, right?). But when the word "God" is placed before it, it becomes a whole new beast. The funny thing is that they both have the Same meaning! When you say "damn it", you are telling (asking?) God to damn something to Hell. Whether you use His name in the sentence or not, He is still the only One that can damn anything to Hell, right?

Hello again,

DrJ is right on.

I find it interesting that so many of you miss what I'm asking... I'm not talking ABOUT swearing, in that do you, or don't you, and I'm not asking whether it's offensive or not.... THAT stuff, I know.

I'm talking about WHY some word is offensive. Is it because someone TOLD you to be offended, or does the word actually grate on your ears when you hear it...

excon

I think some words are viewed as offensive because they are often used in that manner... to be offensive. Yes, they are just words, but depending on the context in which they are used, they can inflict a great deal of pain... as often is intended.

One might joke around with a friend and call them a name, both getting a good laugh from it, but you could turn around and use the same name in a hateful tone to show displeasure with someone else and it will have a very different purpose and response.

You might say sh*t when you stub your toe and many might not be necessarily offended by it... call a child a little sh*t when you are angry with them, and likely more people would find that inappropriate. Same word, different situation, different level of acceptance.

As with many words, swear words or otherwise, it often is in the delivery and circumstances in which they are used that can cause offense or not.

I'm talking about WHY some word is offensive. Is it because someone TOLD you to be offended, or does the word actually grate on your ears when you hear it...
This is somewhat related to "blood is thicker than water." I can call my kid a little brat, but not many other people better do that! Or if I tell my husband that his mother is the family controller and should wear a whistle around her neck, plan to put me up for the night because I won't be sleeping in my own bed. Yet, at the next get-together with his sibings, they could all be yukking it up and slapping their knees about what a controlling person their mother is and how she would make a good camp director.

The same with the words you are talking about, excon. It depends on who your audience is. Years ago I had a male friend whose every sentence contained an obscenity. His friends and I mentally bleeped them out because the rest of the sentences were worth listening to. He even had a couple of master's degrees, so a poor vocabulary was not his problem. Then, one afternoon, I went with him on an insurance appointment, thinking selling insurance might be something I would be interested in doing myself. I couldn't believe it, was struck dumb listening to him. Only the angels have a more beautiful vocabulary!

And I'll just add that I grew up as the oldest child of a preacher and lived in a farm town of 500 German Lutherans whose only public swear word was scheisskopf. I attended a Christian college, so no bad words there, especially not in front of us young ladies. It wasn't until 1969 that I learned "offensive words" from a crew of five male State Farm claims adjusters for whom I typed reports and letters. By then we had figured out there was such a thing as free speech, and some took it more seriously than others.

The audience makes all the difference.

By then we had figured out there was such a thing as free speech, and some took it more seriously than others.



Like everything else free it's worth what you pay for it:)

I am a Christian, and I do get offended by people that take the Lords name in vain, but that's just me personally, other then that words don't offend me, one good thing about America, freedom of speech!

You can't find a post of mine where I've put people or their religion down.

excon

How about this one?

"You're a f**king idiot"? (Your post - #49)

Or this one?

"Now go climb back under your rock"? (Your post - #59)

Hello A:

Well, you DESERVED them both. Are you shooting for another?

excon

I shouldn't answer because words don't offend me, they're just words, they only have power if you give them power.

That's all I have to say about that. :)

I agree, words are just words.

More offensive words can give more expression in speech I think. This could be why people use them, rather than intending offense (unless in an argument).

Just a thought
"What the country needs is dirtier fingernails and cleaner minds."

Just a thought
"What the country needs is dirtier fingernails and cleaner minds."

I like that quote :)

Just a thought
"What the country needs is dirtier fingernails and cleaner minds."

Actually, what this country needs is more personal responsibility, and less belief that we should interfere in the lives and beliefs of other people.

That's my theory about divorce Syn!

Hello A:

Well, you DESERVED them both. Are you shooting for another?

excon

DESERVED? I must have touched a sore spot. Did I? Why don't you tell us what it was?

Or would you prefer to go on with what you said you never do?

Am I shooting for another? Wow, very scary.

You threaten like the little girl you are.

Hello A:

Out from under your rock again, huh?

excon

Since I do not have no cable.

I guess sitting here watching this is very funny comedic entertainment.

Thanks Excon.

Joe

Heck, I even HAVE cable and I'm still here watching this instead!


I'm half tempted to contact a good psychic to see what other life excon must have wronged this guy...

Hello A:

Out from under your rock again, huh?

excon

Was that your best shot?

Pretty lame and girly.

(I wonder if... when he saying in his mind what he is typing out... he actually talks/thinks it in a Saturday-Night-Live-Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Pump-You-Up accent..? )

(I wonder if... when he saying in his mind what he is typing out... he actually talks/thinks it in a Saturday-Night-Live-Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Pump-You-Up accent...???)

I just snorkeled. Lol

Hello Christians, and anyone else who is offended by down home cussing:

I started thinking about words. I'm not offended by any of them. Some of the worst, are actually the best, in my view. But, I know some people are, and I wanted to talk to them. You guys are the closest to the ones whom I'd expect are offended by certain words....

Ok, is it the WORD, or what the word suggests that is offensive? Like, how is, "that's freaking good" OK, as opposed to "that's f***** good"? Is even writing that word the way I just did using lots of ***'s, offensive???

excon

Ex,

I think swearing is trashy. I don't like it. I have used so called "bad" words before but in general... it is soooooooooooo not classy! :)

Did you know that the Bible says this... Isaiah 29:21 That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought

It is just a word... who decides if it is BAD.. Personally, I think that Christians that swear like a sailor is not representing Christ but it is just a word.