Hello,
I would like to know how to gain weight because I am thin now?

Try wheat grass juice in morning
And a glass of toned milk with honey
Each night

Just how "thin" are you? You always want to be careful about deliberately trying to gain weight as it can often come back to haunt you. If you truly think that you're so underweight that your health is jeopardized then you should be speaking with a doctor. Otherwise, if you want to bulk up a little bit, I'd suggest an exercise regimen of weight training along with some type of aerobic exercise such as running or cycling and a diet high in low-fat, high-protein foods like lean meats and fish and plenty of fruits and vegetables. Stick to complex carbohydrates like whole-wheat breads and avoid sugars and simple carbohydrates like white bread.

Hello,
I would like to know how to gain weight because i am thin now?

You want to be fat? Or you wanta get tanked up with muscle?

Getting fat is easy duuude, just eat ONE BIIIG Meal a day and never workout! Chyea.. expect your first heart attack soon though.

If you want to gain weight then do it the healthy way! Gradually intake more calories and workout!

*thumbs up*

Here are tips on how to start gaining muscle, give it a read mate, it's from a site for skinny guys:
How to successfully start gaining muscle! | 36 Pounds.com (http://www.36pounds.com/2009/04/12/how-to-successfully-start-gaining-muscle-part-1/)

Most importantly, hit the gym, workout 3 times a week and eat 500 calories more per day than your BMR is. Your BMR is minimal amount of calories needed per day to keep your weight. Calculating BMR is easy, just multiply your weight in pounds by 18. Then add those 500 cals to be able to gain muscle!

Cheers

Here are tips on how to start gaining muscle, give it a read mate, it's from a site for skinny guys:
How to successfully start gaining muscle! | 36 Pounds.com (http://www.36pounds.com/2009/04/12/how-to-successfully-start-gaining-muscle-part-1/)

Most importantly, hit the gym, workout 3 times a week and eat 500 calories more per day than your BMR is. Your BMR is minimal amount of calories needed per day to keep your weight. Calculating BMR is easy, just multiply your weight in pounds by 18. Then add those 500 cals to be able to gain muscle!

Cheers

Hm.. I agree to disagree.

You should be working out 3 times MINIMUM, and the 500 calories is a bit extreme. I intake about 700 calories more then my BMR is, BUT I am a professional Bodybuilder.

If you workout only 3 times a week then you are in taking 2000 calories a week that are not being burned.. you are going to gain fat like nuts! 3500 calories are in a pound of fat, you will ALMOST be in taking a pound of fat in calories every week.

However, you do need to eat more calories but not to the extreme of 500 calories every day. I would say eating 3-400 calories on every workout day would be acceptable for the average weight lifter. And 1-200 calories (just in case if you need them) on every rest day (non- workout day).

That's crazy and now I feel like a heffer. Thanks canadian. I haven't been gaining much weight during the past three weeks of my pregnancy and the past two days I have eaten almost 5000 calories a day. I'm going to get huge. :rolleyes:

Also sudha, muscle weighs more than fat. But you lose muscle more easily when you stop working out and taking care of your body. Thin isn't necessarily a bad thing, but healthy diet and exercise never hurt anyone. Unless you happen to be training for a hot dog eating contest or some other ridiculous competition. Listen to canadian, people who bodybuild pay very close attention to their bodies and respect them.

Hm.. I agree to disagree.

You should be working out 3 times MINIMUM, and the 500 calories is a bit extreme. I intake about 700 calories more then my BMR is, BUT I am a professional Bodybuilder.

If you workout only 3 times a week then you are in taking 2000 calories a week that are not being burned.. you are going to gain fat like nuts! 3500 calories are in a pound of fat, you will ALMOST be in taking a pound of fat in calories every week.

However, you do need to eat more calories but not to the extreme of 500 calories every day. I would say eating 3-400 calories on every workout day would be acceptable for the average weight lifter. and 1-200 calories (just in case if you need them) on every rest day (non- workout day).

I doubt you are a bodybuilder... this post is not a good advice for a skinny guy!

Working out 3 times per week is the best for skinny guys (ectomorphs). More workouts are needed only for Pro Bodybuilders. And their workouts are not for skinny guys.

500cals over maintenance level IS NOT extreme.. Bulking is extreme when you eat everything you see, what I suggest is called clean bulk. It really surprises me to hear this from a bodybuilder..

Skinny guy won't gain much fat because we have a very fast metabolism. For some skinny guys 500 cals is not enough even. People need to eat consistently, not change amount of cals eaten depending on whether they workout or not. And if you eat less on rest day that is a mistake..

I have gained 20lbs myself and went from 110lbs to 130+ lbs now so I know this stuff from my own experience. People are free to ignore my advice always, but skinny guys shouldn't..

That's crazy and now I feel like a heffer. Thanks canadian. I haven't been gaining much weight during the past three weeks of my pregnancy and the past two days I have eaten almost 5000 calories a day. I'm going to get huge. :rolleyes:

Also sudha, muscle weighs more than fat. But you lose muscle more easily when you stop working out and taking care of your body. Thin isn't necessarily a bad thing, but healthy diet and exercise never hurt anyone. Unless you happen to be training for a hot dog eating contest or some other ridiculous competition. Listen to canadian, people who bodybuild pay very close attention to their bodies and respect them.

Not everyone should take advice from bodybuilders... and definitely don't do routines from a pro bodybuilders on roids.. Magazines teach people to do whatever is the newest or best routine from Arnold or Jay Cutler or anyone else is.. the stuff doesn't work for simple skinny guy...

Not everyone should take advice from bodybuilders.... and definitely don't do routines from a pro bodybuilders on roids.. Magazines teach people to do whatever is the newest or best routine from Arnold or Jay Cutler or anyone else is.. the stuff doesn't work for simple skinny guy...

I never said everyone should take advice from bodybuilders. I said listen to canadian, who, if you look at his history of posting, is very clear about giving advice that is in keeping with the question asked. Fads diets are typically proven to not work, just like fads in body building. Which, if I read it right, is why the advice canadian gave was to make the "skinny guy" a little more knowledgeable about calorie intake and maintaining weight and weight gain based on years of experience.

I'm not disagreeing with you either, but don't misquote me to make a point, please. I find it offensive ;)

I never said everyone should take advice from bodybuilders. I said listen to canadian, who, if you look at his history of posting, is very clear about giving advice that is in keeping with the question asked. Fads diets are typically proven to not work, just like fads in body building. Which, if I read it right, is why the advice canadian gave was to make the "skinny guy" a little more knowledgeable about calorie intake and maintaining weight and weight gain based on years of experience.

I'm not disagreeing with you either, but don't misquote me to make a point, please. I find it offensive ;)

You said listen to Canadian who is a bodybuilder... therefore I assumed you advice to listen to bodybuilders.. No one wanted to offend you though..

In this particular case his advice was not the best, I've actually never heard anyone say that 500 cals over maintenance level is extreme and could cause a lot of fat gains... it doesn't...

Well, from what the dietitians I have been to have told me, that information sounds correct. Maintaining depends on how active you are, and how much you need to intake in order to maintain.

I read the site you posted and I have to say, I don't agree with all of it.

But then, some people do differ on opinion when it comes to weight. Like the girl who can never lose that last 5 pounds. My bro is a skinny dude, and he did everything for YEARS to try to counteract it. For him the answer was distance running, he does 3-6 miles a day and drinks disgusting whey power drinks. That's the only thing that actually put mass on his skinny butt. Now he's bulky and it's all muscle. He loses it pretty fast if he doesn't keep working out though, he would lose 30 pounds well within a month if he only worked out without the running.

I doubt you are a bodybuilder... this post is not a good advice for a skinny guy!

Working out 3 times per week is the best for skinny guys (ectomorphs). More workouts are needed only for Pro Bodybuilders. And their workouts are not for skinny guys.

500cals over maintenance level IS NOT extreme.. Bulking is extreme when you eat everything you see, what I suggest is called clean bulk. It really surprises me to hear this from a bodybuilder..

Skinny guy wont gain much fat because we have a very fast metabolism. For some skinny guys 500 cals is not enough even. People need to eat consistently, not change amount of cals eaten depending on whether they workout or not. And if you eat less on rest day that is a mistake..

I have gained 20lbs myself and went from 110lbs to 130+ lbs now so I know this stuff from my own experience. People are free to ignore my advice always, but skinny guys shouldn't..

Hm, And by this experience.. you are going to tell me that adding 2000 unused calories is going to make you gain muscle? Yea.. NO! It is going to help you gain weight.. not the kind you are looking for ;).

And yes, I know all about clean and dirty bulking.. thank you for insulting me. And the "dirty bulk" routine.. is not used in the bodybuilding world. Dirty Bulk is for people who do not have the patience and understanding of how your body works. You are correct for suggesting a clean bulk, however this does not mean you need to up your dosage of calories by 3500 per week. People who do this, do this because they do not fully understand how the body works and are just in taking more calories for a safety net as they don't need to worry about their body fat percentage while off-season.

Well, from what the dietitians I have been to have told me, that information sounds correct. Maintaining depends on how active you are, and how much you need to intake in order to maintain.

I read the site you posted and I have to say, I don't agree with all of it.

But then, some people do differ on opinion when it comes to weight. Like the girl who can never lose that last 5 pounds. My bro is a skinny dude, and he did everything for YEARS to try to counteract it. For him the answer was distance running, he does 3-6 miles a day and drinks disgusting whey power drinks. That's the only thing that actually put mass on his skinny butt. Now he's bulky and it's all muscle. He loses it pretty fast if he doesn't keep working out though, he would lose 30 pounds well within a month if he only worked out without the running.

Muscle is built from resistance and strength training, not cardiovascular endurance training. I can 100% guarantee that he did not gain his muscular physique from running. If he is a young man then perhaps he has reached puberty and is in taking enough nutrients and calories now to fully show this. Or.. he is doing some sort of physical activity daily (like a job perhaps?) which is resulting on a more muscular physique. Or.. perhaps he is losing body fat from all this cardiovascular activity and his muscles are getting more defined? It could be many, many reasons but long distance training without rst or strength training... is not one of them.

Hm, And by this experience.. you are going to tell me that adding 2000 unused calories is going to make you gain muscle? Yea.. NO! It is going to help you gain weight.. not the kind you are looking for ;).

And yes, I know all about clean and dirty bulking.. thank you for insulting me. And the "dirty bulk" routine.. is not used in the bodybuilding world. Dirty Bulk is for people who do not have the patience and understanding of how your body works. You are correct for suggesting a clean bulk, however this does not mean you need to up your dosage of calories by 3500 per week. People who do this, do this because they do not fully understand how the body works and are just in taking more calories for a safety net as they don't need to worry about their body fat percentage while off-season.

Most of the guys use cycle Bulk/cut from what I see. Clean bulking is a bit rarer. And it's definitely not extreme.

3500 cals per week is not that much for an ecto.. I haven't gained fat with that much. You also can't be sure that you calculate BMR very accurately. Using my method, you will get a bit less cals than using other formulas so this reduces risk of getting too much cals. I've never gained more than 2lbs a month except newbie gains.

Now this guy might not be an ecto, who knows... I'm still pretty sure that Clean Bulking is the way to go and 500 cals over BMR won't get him fat.

Well, from what the dietitians I have been to have told me, that information sounds correct. Maintaining depends on how active you are, and how much you need to intake in order to maintain.

I read the site you posted and I have to say, I don't agree with all of it.

But then, some people do differ on opinion when it comes to weight. Like the girl who can never lose that last 5 pounds. My bro is a skinny dude, and he did everything for YEARS to try to counteract it. For him the answer was distance running, he does 3-6 miles a day and drinks disgusting whey power drinks. That's the only thing that actually put mass on his skinny butt. Now he's bulky and it's all muscle. He loses it pretty fast if he doesn't keep working out though, he would lose 30 pounds well within a month if he only worked out without the running.

He couldn't have put on muscle with running... running is cardio and this doesn't build muscle, just help you lose weight. If he would stop running, he'd probably gain more weight if he kept eating as much.

Most of the guys use cycle Bulk/cut from what I see. Clean bulking is a bit rarer. And it's definitely not extreme.

3500 cals per week is not that much for an ecto.. I haven't gained fat with that much. You also can't be sure that you calculate BMR very accurately. Using my method, you will get a bit less cals than using other formulas so this reduces risk of getting too much cals. I've never gained more than 2lbs a month except newbie gains.

Now this guy might not be an ecto, who knows...I'm still pretty sure that Clean Bulking is the way to go and 500 cals over BMR wont get him fat.

Please, discard anything BUT the basics.. in which you have been told.

You do NOT need 500 calories every day, I highly doubt you are working out hard enough to even use half of it.

Rookeek I encourage you to go this site;

Calorie Calculator (http://exercise.about.com/cs/fitnesstools/l/blcalorieburn.htm)

Muscle is built from resistance and strength training, not cardiovascular endurance training. I can 100% guarantee that he did not gain his muscular physique from running. If he is a young man then perhaps he has reached puberty and is in taking enough nutrients and calories now to fully show this. Or.. he is doing some sort of physical activity daily (like a job perhaps?) which is resulting on a more muscular physique. Or.. perhaps he is losing body fat from all this cardiovascular activity and his muscles are getting more defined? It could be many, many reasons but long distance training without rst or strength training... is not one of them.

I'll ask him later today and let you know. I know he had a huge issue with it until about 23 when he started running daily. He may have omitted his weight lifts because he was usually trying to get me to run and I refuse regularly. As far as I know though he has lifted weights regularly since the age of 12 and until he started running never saw any mass change. He was always super skinny and gangly.

Please, discard anything BUT the basics.. in which you have been told.

You do NOT need 500 calories every day, I highly doubt you are working out hard enough to even use half of it.

When you will have my metabolism, you will understand... ups.. you won't. So we will disagree for ever.

I've seen some bad stuff on about.com and won't trust it.

Plus remember that BMR is only minimal amount of cals needed, with a little movement, if you are active and have a physical job, 500 cals are necessary...

I'm not the only one who promotes clean bulk, even better, guy like Vince Del Monte promotes Bulking for skinny guys. He says clean bulk is not enough.

What I gave are the basics for gaining muscle. Eating 200 cals over BMR won't help you gain a lot.

When you will have my metabolism, you will understand... ups.. you wont. So we will disagree for ever.

I've seen some bad stuff on about.com and wont trust it.

Plus remember that BMR is only minimal amount of cals needed, with a little movement, if you are active and have a physical job, 500 cals are necessary...

I'm not the only one who promotes clean bulk, even better, guy like Vince Del Monte promotes Bulking for skinny guys. He says clean bulk is not enough.

What I gave are the basics for gaining muscle. Eating 200 cals over BMR wont help you gain a lot.

Hm, you are quite the ignorant young man aren't you? You have no problem listening to information displayed on a bodybuilding website that is trying to sell you their product but you remain confident and delusional while talking to a Professional bodybuilder who has been training people almost all his life. Vince Del Monte is scrawny and all he wants is for people to buy his product.

As for the "Metabolism" comment.. why do you assume that I have never experienced a fast metabolism? Do you know my history of when I was a child/ teenager? Doubt it, unless you researched me online.. still the information would obviously of been misleading.

I started bodybuilding when I was 17 years old, at 150 pounds. I had a very fast metabolism as I used to eat 6-7 meals a day while boxing, playing hockey, football and working out.

I didn't gain a lot of weight at this time. It was due to my LBM (Lean body mass). The more Lean Body Mass you have, the higher your metabolism is going to be. As well, Age effects your metabolism (After 20 years it starts to slow down by 2% every year), Height (More surface to cover.. usually a higher LBM index), Genetic make up and Eating Habits (The more you eat the faster it will be).

Rookeek, at 130 pounds.. if you worked out for an hour (which is the most you should be weight lifting for), you would only of burned 180 calories. This is 1/3 of the amount of calories you are telling everyone to consume, EVEN on rest days where activity is minimum.

You are confusing calories with protein, I believe.

Think about it this way; Calories are the energy to rip and tear muscle, protein is the bandaid to fix and repair it.

Hm, you are quite the ignorant young man aren't you? You have no problem listening to information displayed on a bodybuilding website that is trying to sell you their product but you remain confident and delusional while talking to a Professional bodybuilder who has been training people almost all his life. Vince Del Monte is scrawny and all he wants is for people to buy his product.

As for the "Metabolism" comment.. why do you assume that I have never experienced a fast metabolism? Do you know my history of when I was a child/ teenager? Doubt it, unless you researched me online.. still the information would obviously of been misleading.

I started bodybuilding when I was 17 years old, at 150 pounds. I had a very fast metabolism as I used to eat 6-7 meals a day while boxing, playing hockey, football and working out.

I didn't gain a lot of weight. It was due to my LBM (Lean body mass). The more Lean Body Mass you have, the higher your metabolism is going to be. Aswell, Age effects your metabolism (After 20 years it starts to slow down by 2% every years), Height (More surface to cover .. usually a higher LBM index, Genetic make up and Eating Habits (The more you eat the faster it will be).

Rookeek, at 130 pounds .. if you worked out for an hour (which is the most you shuold be weight lifting for), you would only of burned 180 calories. This is 1/3 of the amount of calories you are telling everyone to consume, EVEN on rest days where activity is minimum.

Del Monte is scrawny?? Have you seen his before/after pics? Yes he sells stuff but he has helped a lot of guys

Man... there is no way I'm going to believe you bodybuild professionally and eat 200 grams per day over your BMR...

No wonder you didn't gain with that much activity, you might not have had that fast metabolism, just too much cardio..

I'll be back later..

Del Monte is scrawny???? have you seen his before/after pics? yes he sells stuff but he has helped a lot of guys

Man... there is no way I'm gonna believe you bodybuild professionally and eat 200 grams per day over your BMR...

No wonder you didn't gain with that much activity, you might not have had that fast metabolism, just too much cardio..

I'll be back later..

Yes, Del Monte is scrawny and if lucky might qualify for a middle weight class in a Natural Bodybuilding Contest.

I am not sure where I said I intake "200 calories over my BMR" I believe I said quote "I intake about 700 calories more then my BMR is, BUT I am a professional Bodybuilder." And grams is used to represent the weight of the food, 200 grams of calories would be almost impossible to calculate as every food has a different attribute to it (like turkey has more proteins then soda or Can Soup has more sodium then a banana.. ).

Cardiovascular activity effects how fast your metabolism is, as does how much food your body intakes.

If you are only 130 pounds, I would like you to take the time to type out what your diet looks like, your workout regime and any physical experience that would relate to how your body functions (like climbing stairs = 4 calories, sex = 500 calories etc.. ).

Does it make me a perv if hearing you two debate this is kind of hot? :confused::confused::confused:

Yes, Del Monte is scrawny and if lucky might qualify for a middle weight class in a Natural Bodybuilding Contest.

I am not sure where I said I intake "200 calories over my BMR" I believe I said quote "I intake about 700 calories more then my BMR is, BUT I am a professional Bodybuilder." And grams is used to represent the weight of the food, 200 grams of calories would be almost impossible to calculate as every food has a different attribute to it (like turkey has more proteins then soda or Can Soup has more sodium then a banana..).

Cardiovascular activity effects how fast your metabolism is, as does how much food your body intakes.

If you are only 130 pounds, I would like you to take the time to type out what your diet looks like, your workout regime and any physical experience that would relate to how your body functions (like climbing stairs = 4 calories, sex = 500 calories etc..).

Man, not everyone wants to get as big as possible and compete.. So keep that competing stuff away. Most of the simple people want to just look good in the mirror.

Ok, my bad, I believe you suggested 200 cals for other guy. So do the maths, Eat at your BMR and you will maintain your weight. If a guy follows your advice he eats 200 cals more and that is similar to what he will burn off in the gym. So from what will he gain? Huh? Thin air? Then add calories he burns at work, sex, etc. Still think he should eat 200cals over maintenance level? Or should he eat at least 500 cals over maintenance level?

You grow when you rest you know, so this means you need caloric surplus just as much on rest days as on workout days.

And I don't get what is hard to count. 200 cals is 50 grams of either proteins or carbs.

Does it make me a perv if hearing you two debate this is kind of hot? :confused::confused::confused:

Lol

Man, not everyone wants to get as big as possible and compete.. So keep that competing stuff away. Most of the simple people want to just look good in the mirror.

Ok, my bad, I believe you suggested 200 cals for other guy. So do the maths, Eat at your BMR and you will maintain your weight. If a guy follows your advice he eats 200 cals more and that is similar to what he will burn off in the gym. So from what will he gain? huh? Thin air? Then add calories he burns at work, sex, etc. Still think he should eat 200cals over maintenance level? Or should he eat at least 500 cals over maintenance level?

You grow when you rest you know, so this means you need caloric surplus just as much on rest days as on workout days.

And I don't get what is hard to count. 200 cals is 50 grams of either proteins or carbs.

You are not listening to what I am saying. I suggested that "you eat 3-400 calories on workout days" and "1-200 calories" on rest days. Why do you want to consume more calories then you are burning.. this does not make sense? Do you want to gain fat? Because that is what will happen.

You DO NOT need extra calories when you are resting.. your muscles do not need extra energy to grow.

Calories are burned from our body through a metabolic process; enzymes break up carbohydrates into glucose and other forms of sugars, the proteins into amino acids and the fats into glycerol and fatty acids. When you are resting you do not need to intake extra calories, the amount of calories for your BMR is stationary but you should consume as much as you need prior to your day (if you are doing more physical activity then intake enough for that).

And yes 200 calories can be split many ways as Fat contains 9 calories, Protein contains 4 calories and Carbohydrates contain 4 calories. So all in all 200 calories could be a mix of all three and are. As you cannot have one without the other.

You are not listening to what I am saying. I suggested that "you eat 3-400 calories on workout days" and "1-200 calories" on rest days. Why do you want to consume more calories then you are burning.. this does not make sense? Do you want to gain fat?? Because that is what will happen.

You DO NOT need extra calories when you are resting.. your muscles do not need extra energy to grow.

Calories are burned from our body through a metabolic process; enzymes break up carbohydrates into glucose and other forms of sugars, the proteins into amino acids and the fats into glycerol and fatty acids. When you are resting you do not need to intake extra calories, the amount of calories for your BMR is stationary but you should consume as much as you need prior to your day (if you are doing more physical activity then intake enough for that).

And yes 200 calories can be split many ways as Fat contains 9 calories, Protein contains 4 calories and Carbohydrates contain 4 calories. So all in all 200 calories could be a mix of all three and are. As you cannot have one without the other.

Lol... first time ever I hear that you don't need to get caloric surplus on off days... not one nutrition specialist said that (that I know of)... You NEED calories and proteins on off days because you GAIN on off days. How would your muscles grow if you didn't give them fuel to do so?? You won't gain fat... protein synthesis is up for 24 hours after training session, so this means it lasts into rest day also!!

BTW, combine the food amount from all the 7 days and divide them by 7. Let's compare the average with my theory of eating 500 cals over maintenance level.

Lol... first time ever I hear that you don't need to get caloric surplus on off days... not one nutrition specialist said that (that I know of)... You NEED calories and proteins on off days because you GAIN on off days. How would your muscles grow if you didn't give them fuel to do so???? You wont gain fat... protein synthesis is up for 24 hours after training session, so this means it lasts into rest day also!!!!

BTW, combine the food amount from all the 7 days and divide them by 7. Let's compare the average with my theory of eating 500 cals over maintenance level.

You don't need extra calories.. the caloric intake you are using (your BMR or 1-200 calories more) is sufficient. Your body will continue to use calories and electrolytes but this is mainly when you sleep. Anything more then what is needed the next day will be stored as fat.

You need protein on off days, and your BMR caloric count to help convert proteins into amino acids successfully. An Amino acid is a molecule that contains amine and carboxyl functional groups which form links to create proteins. Calories are used in our body when enzymes break up the proteins into Amino acids. You can only work out hard enough to be able to convert "this much protein" into "these many amino acids." AFTER that.. your calories will be like "Okay.. the job is done, now its time to sleep".. and WALLA, you just gained some fat reserves!

You do NOT need extra calories (4.184 joules of energy) to convert Proteins into (-NH 2 ). It doesn't make sense!

Sudhaji,
Don't think extra , don't bother, do break fast, lunch dinner, with free mind, and keep smile every time, only 2 months, will make difference, best of luck, byeeeeeeeee

You don't need extra calories.. the caloric intake you are using (your BMR or 1-200 calories more) is sufficient. Your body will continue to use calories and electrolytes but this is mainly when you sleep. Anything more then what is needed the next day will be stored as fat.

You need protein on off days, and your BMR caloric count to help convert proteins into amino acids successfully. An Amino acid is a molecule that contains amine and carboxyl functional groups which form links to create proteins. Calories are used in our body when enzymes break up the proteins into Amino acids. You can only work out hard enough to be able to convert "this much protein" into "these many amino acids." AFTER that.. your calories will be like "Okay.. the job is done, now its time to sleep".. and WALLA, you just gained some fat reserves!!

You do NOT need extra calories (4.184 joules of energy) to convert Proteins into (-NH 2 ). It doesn't make sense!

I'm not talking about converting proteins to something.. jesus... I'm talking that your organism has better change of using proteins for building muscle for 24 hours after a workout.. You are missing a point..

Again, how can 200 cals over BMR be enough when you have job, sex, walking, other stuff going on in life in addition to lifting? You will burn that off easily and won't gain a thing.. You are somewhat delusional. BMR doesn't take these things into account. That's why I advocate 500 cals over maintenance level.

You also must be paranoid about fat.. guess what.. you are always gaining a bit of fat with gaining muscle. You can NOT only gain muscle or only lose fat... when your body is in anabolic state you gain both fat and muscle (lifting helps gain more muscle) and when you are in catabolic state you lose both, fat and muscle (although muscle loss can be minimized)...

I'm tired of arguing with you. You know a lot but you don't use it the right way... If you were right, I'd be fatass guy already... BUT I'm not, so rethink your strategy of bulking up.

I'm not talking about converting proteins to something.. jesus... I'm talking that your organism has better change of using proteins for building muscle for 24 hours after a workout.. You are missing a point..

Again, how can 200 cals over BMR be enough when you have job, sex, walking, other stuff going on in life in addition to lifting? You will burn that off easily and won't gain a thing.. You are somewhat delusional. BMR doesn't take these things into account. That's why I advocate 500 cals over maintenance level.

You also must be paranoid about fat.. guess what.. you are always gaining a bit of fat with gaining muscle. You can NOT only gain muscle or only lose fat... when your body is in anabolic state you gain both fat and muscle (lifting helps gain more muscle) and when you are in catabolic state you lose both, fat and muscle (although muscle loss can be minimized)...

I'm tired of arguing with you. You know a lot but you don't use it the right way... If you were right, I'd be fatass guy already... BUT I'm not, so rethink your strategy of bulking up.

Just for a conversation piece, here I am in 06 at CBBF/ Nationals. I must of gained AT LEAST 30 pounds of muscle with the 700+ calorie intake prior to my BMR.


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Again, how can 200 cals over BMR be enough when you have job, sex, walking, other stuff going on in life in addition to lifting? You will burn that off easily and won't gain a thing.. You are somewhat delusional.
but you should consume as much as you need prior to your day (if you are doing more physical activity then intake enough for that).You are only half listening to what I am saying!

I have no problem letting you stay ignorant and misguided when it comes to building muscle and bulking up. BUT unfortunately.. there are more eyes viewing this page then just us two and for me to let you tell everyone incorrect information, I would feel bad. I don't know who you are listening to, what you are reading or doing. BUT the arguments and "facts" you are laying down are of most likely some bimbo trying to sell you some miraculous product. I can tell this by the misguided information you are bringing up.


but you don't use it the right way... If you were right, I'd be fatass guy already... BUT I'm not, so rethink your strategy of bulking up.

This is blasphemy, only on the internet would the client tell the doctor what's up.

Just for a conversation piece, here I am in 06 at CBBF/ Nationals. I must of gained AT LEAST 30 pounds of muscle with the 700+ calorie intake prior to my BMR.


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You are only half listening to what I am saying!!

I have no problem letting you stay ignorant and misguided when it comes to building muscle and bulking up. BUT unfortunately.. there are more eyes viewing this page then just us two and for me to let you tell everyone incorrect information, I would feel bad. I don't know who you are listening to, what you are reading or doing. BUT the arguments and "facts" you are laying down are of most likely some bimbo trying to sell you some miraculous product. I can tell this by the misguided information you are bringing up.



This is blasphemy, only on the internet would the client tell the doctor whats up.

So since you are a bodybuilder you know freaking everything, yeah? Don't be arrogant...

Don't know how long did it take you to gain those 30lbs, maybe 3 years..

I am not selling any products, just my experience. Which happens to be learned from guys like Rippetoe, L. McDonald, J.Berardi, T-Nation and other using their methods.

Prior to your BMR?? What do you think BMR is? And how do you calculate it, because this is where we might have misunderstanding..

Consistency is a big and very important word in gaining muscle, you take it away from nutrition which is 60-70 percent of gaining muscle. That is my problem. I think people need to eat consistently and not just eat a lot on workout days...

What do I think BMR Is? Or how do I calculate it? Hm? Go to my thread;

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/fitness/you-want-lose-body-fat-healthy-way-come-here-380692.html (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/you-want-lose-body-fat-healthy-way-come-here-380692.html)

And yes, since I am a NATURAL bodybuilder and have been all my life. I like to think I know a thing or two about bulking up correctly.

As for the "30 pounds" I gained 30 pounds in a year.

You don't necessarily need to eat " a lot" everyday, and you shouldn't. You should be eating within a boundary and not just pig out.

And you are right, nutrition is around 70% of building muscle. You are correct. However 500 calories over your BMR is not needed. It may be wise for uneducated beginners so they make sure they gain muscle and don't lose any. But in reality it really isn't accurate. It is like telling the new driver to stay within the three way road and not to go over on either edge instead of just telling them to stay in the middle.

What do I think BMR Is? Or how do I calculate it? Hm?? Go to my thread;

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/fitness/you-want-lose-body-fat-healthy-way-come-here-380692.html (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/you-want-lose-body-fat-healthy-way-come-here-380692.html)

And yes, since I am a NATURAL bodybuilder and have been all my life. I like to think I know a thing or two about bulking up correctly.

As for the "30 pounds" I gained 30 pounds in a year.

You don't necessarily need to eat " a lot" everyday, and you shouldn't. You should be eating within a boundary and not just pig out.

And you are right, nutrition is around 70% of building muscle. You are correct. However 500 calories over your BMR is not needed. It may be wise for uneducated beginners so they make sure they gain muscle and don't lose any. But in reality it really isn't accurate. It is like telling the new driver to stay within the three way road and not to go over on either edge instead of just telling them to stay in the middle.

Can't open the link.. shows 404 error page... And it's actually me who suggest to use 3 lanes not you, you say that my approach to nutrition is extreme and too much.

Now, were two ways I knew people bulk up - Bulk and Clean Bulk. One gets you gains faster but gets a lot of fat too and the you need to cut (Bulking, and you eat pretty much everything in sight there) and then Clean Bulking which is eating 500 cals over your BMR (still might gain a bit fat, but no need for cutting). The extreme way of the two is Bulking. Not Clean Bulking.. You offer third way. Which has holes in my opinion. In the end all 3 works... it's matter of choice.

Edit: I used the link in your signature. My method gives number about a 1000 cals bigger than yours. This would mean 2lbs of fat gained in a week according to you... and this is not happening, never gained that much of weight. I haven't actually gained more than 3lbs in month so this goes against your theory. I don't think there is solution to this, only 3 different methods.

Yep. Makes me pervy.

Anyhow. Roo I am sorry to tell you that he is right. You aren't even trying to absorb anything he is saying, you are just quoting a bunch of crap you learned from charlatans. It's comparable to thinking Billy Mayes invented Oxyclean.

If you two really want to debate this take it to a thread in the forum :P

Yep. Makes me pervy.

Anyhow. Roo I am sorry to tell you that he is right. You aren't even trying to absorb anything he is saying, you are just quoting a bunch of crap you learned from charlatans. It's comparable to thinking Billy Mayes invented Oxyclean.

If you two really want to debate this take it to a thread in the forum :P

That "charlatan" stuff works, you probably haven't read anything from people I mention and know nothing about them.

You trust him more, OK, do what he says... He has his formula I got mine... the method I use is quite common and worked for a lot of people.

This is a good article about bulking:
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_truth_about_bulking

Have time? Give it a read..

I can always tell when people on this site are younger, they go right for the insults.

I actually know quite a bit about weight gain. I spent the first two years of my daughters life taking her to dietitians and having tests done on her because of her inability to absorb nutrients properly. I'm not much on the exercise part of weight gain. But I have no doubt I have more real life experience with this than you do with Google and reading a few books and gaining 30 pounds. Try using your own words to explain a point you so adamantly believe in rather than links to articles. It goes a lot further when it comes to real advice. Anyone can read a book, it takes more than looking at letters to understand it. ;)

As the OP hasn't returned as this is going way off topic it is now Closed