I have been reading through a lot of the christianity posts today. My own thread was closed down. Because of fighting...

This being the christianity board... and me being a christian... I would like to ask this question to you christians out there... if your not christian this doesn't apply to you (I don't mean that I don't want your opinion, all opinions are welcome)


AND BE NICE FOR ONCE FFS...


What do you think, The Lord, Our God, The Christian God In the Bible... thinks of all the fighting we do here on this board...

And before you answer, please ask yourself... how would jesus answer... how would HE want you to treat each other...

This is something that I wrote in another thread 7 months ago!

It seems to me that we are just waiting for someone to write something ''strange'' so that we can attack!We show no efford to understand someone's point of view and take it a liitle bit further from what is written.We enjoy playing with words and we seem to be word servants instead of making the words working for us.I see no hunger to share , i only see the will to justify our opinions.
I am very sad with this, I cannot believe the bloodbath here.I am sure that Satan is laughing at us right this moment!
You spend so much of yourselves and what good came out of it?
Who got closer to Christ through this?What glory did Jesus gain from all this?What kind of reward do you think Jesus will give us for this?
Please remember your first love!How difficult can it be?Is it easier for us to hurt our brothers than to fight the enemy?
You turned my Father's house into a house of a killer!

Well, Jesus would answer (I believe) by appearing to everyone fighting on this board and give them a story full of symbolism that would simultaneously make everyone say "Woah" and just think.


However, I think that EVERYONE'S fighting is petty, and becoming harsh trying to push your point across, be it anything except the fact you like to yell, counteracts what you are trying to say. I think that boards like this are a stupid way to try to convert non-believers, and therefore I stay away from this board, most of the time.

THAT is why instead of using these threads much, I go out in my community and speak to those who are not following God's path in person, rather than try to do it on the internet. There are plenty of other, better ways to do such.

That's an excellent way to put it adam, thank you. I would have gotten in trouble had I posted MY opinions on some of the posting here.

thats an excellent way to put it adam, thank you. i would have gotten in trouble had i posted MY opinions on some of the posting here.

Don't be afraid of your opinions.They are not you!
Thank God my opinions are not me 'cause I 've changed so many of them, but I AM still me!Never care about what others will tell you about you.God likes honesty 'cause honesty is an open door that you leave for God to pay a visit!
By the way... good job with your cousin.
Being gay is not any worse than being a liar.At least they admitt it!
But I believe that his behavior is a sign of repentance and being born again and that means he is a new man.
Thank you!

We may argue fine points with each other, but that doesn't change the fact that all believers are brothers and sisters in the Lord.

We can learn to disagree agreeably.

I can even do that with MOST unbelievers.

You will note that in almost all cases where this occurs, it is because someone has chosen to stop discussing the topic respectfully and has issued demeaning / abusive comments at one or more individuals, and continues to do so despite efforts to get back on track. There is a group on here that seem to go around with that objective. The situation has improved significantly from a few months ago when things were at a state of almost complete anarchy and I suspect that the mods read the riot act to the members of that group.

Unfortunately, when one person or one groups chooses to disrupt a thread, there is a little that can be done and the response of the mods tends to be to simply shut down the threads.

What would Jesus' response be? Well keep in mind that neither Jesus nor the disciples stayed away from controversy, nor did they avoid debates, sometimes quite animated debates where attacks (sometimes physical) were launched against them. The key is to be respectful of the person, though it may be necessary to speak against their behaviour or to disagree with them.

Very good points Tj3

I know this post itself is a violation but it absolutely had to be said.
Kind of like police who violate the law to enforce it, I guess.

? How is it a violation? Its about christianity, and its on the christianity board.

The forums are about questions about Christianity.

You aren't asking questions, you are trying to open up discussions. Those belong on the discussion boards. It's part of the rules of the site.

I don't think his (homesell) post was a violation. But his spamming of the same post might be.

As for your original question. Everyone wants to believe that they are correct in their belief, when someone upsets that cart it somehow becomes personal.

As for your original question. Everyone wants to believe that they are correct in their belief, when someone upsets that cart it somehow becomes personal.

I think that you made a good point there. I find often that when someone disagrees with what a person believes, they seem not to differentiate between beliefs and the person themselves and assume that any disagreement means that they are attacking the person.

The other problem that I have seen on here was a few month ago when a person suggested that anyone who did not accept her beliefs as equal to theirs was bigoted. In other words, disagreement was not permitted a considered to be personal.

I apologies. I have requested that the mods move this to the religious discussion board. I was asking a question, but did not realise it would turn into a 'discussion' or debate. So please accept my apologies. And I hope it gets moved :)

Your question was the opening of a discussion, not a question for clarification.
Do you understand the difference?

Your question "how would jesus answer" does have a Yes/No or concrete answer.

Yes. See the problem was, I did look for a discussion board in the religeon boards. And I couldn't find one. It wasn't until after I had posted this, that I found out that the 'religeous discussions' board is on the member forum. I didn't even think to look there.

Your question "how would jesus answer" does have a Yes/No or concrete answer.

Yes that's true, but if others feel this is the wrong place, I have no problem asking for it to be moved. Its not THAT big of a deal WHERE the post is :P you know?

And besides, I WAS expecting opinions.

i have been reading thru alot of the christianity posts today. my own thread was closed down. because of fighting...

this being the christianity board...and me being a christian....i would like to ask this question to you christians out there...if your not christian this doesnt apply to you (i dont mean that i dont want your opinion, all opinions are welcome)


AND BE NICE FOR ONCE FFS...


What do you think, The Lord, Our God, The Christian God In the Bible...thinks of all the fighting we do here on this board...

and before you answer, please ask yourself...how would jesus answer...how would HE want you to treat eachother...

It's a no brainer, we are not supposed to be fighting with each other

*thank you to the mod who moved this for me*


paraclete, that's a good way to sum it all up in a single sentence :) good job.

i have been reading thru alot of the christianity posts today. my own thread was closed down. because of fighting...

this being the christianity board...and me being a christian....i would like to ask this question to you christians out there...if your not christian this doesnt apply to you (i dont mean that i dont want your opinion, all opinions are welcome)


AND BE NICE FOR ONCE FFS...


What do you think, The Lord, Our God, The Christian God In the Bible...thinks of all the fighting we do here on this board...

and before you answer, please ask yourself...how would jesus answer...how would HE want you to treat eachother...


Sometimes we as Christians let our flesh get the best of us... at least I do so I suppose in some instances I personally have been involved in.. He hasn't been thrilled... However, to stand up for truth IS something that DOES please HIM and I TRY. ( don't always succeed) . I don't ever want to be wishy washy or lukewarm about truth. Because Jesus was never wishy washy or lukewarm about it.

Also would like to say there is nothing wrong with a healthy discussion either. I don't always agree with every real Christian on this site. However we should never be rude. (I do have a sense of humor though... and I'm not afraid to use it.) :)

That is an awesome explination classyT, it makes a lot of sense. I am guilty of this too.

i have been reading thru alot of the christianity posts today. my own thread was closed down. because of fighting...

this being the christianity board...and me being a christian....i would like to ask this question to you christians out there...if your not christian this doesnt apply to you (i dont mean that i dont want your opinion, all opinions are welcome)


AND BE NICE FOR ONCE FFS...


What do you think, The Lord, Our God, The Christian God In the Bible...thinks of all the fighting we do here on this board...

and before you answer, please ask yourself...how would jesus answer...how would HE want you to treat eachother...


I think when there is "fighting" that brings confusion about Christianity, then I think He is disappointed in us. The Bible says "to be angry and sin not." There is a healthy way to discuss things. Sometimes it means CHOOSING to be the one that ends it by saying no more. True forgiveness goes a long way.

Also, God's people have always had non-believers present throughout most of their gatherings. For instance, when Moses brought the children of Israel out of Egypt, some of the Egyptians, also came. And as you know, there were problems with severe consequences.

Then throughout Jesus' ministry he had many followers, believers and non-believers. The Sadducees and Pharisees were do-gooders of God's own law that constantly tried to catch Jesus in a fault. He always remained calm and used wisdom when answering. And lastly, the disciples always had their share of revilers, mockers, and taunters as they tried to share the Truth with non-believers that wanted to know more about the Jesus that they were preaching.

I am sure when they went home each evening they were wondering what they might have accomplished. In their flesh, I am sure they were weary and mentally tired. BUT, because of their great trust in God, they believed that He would give them the ability to speak as Paul stated, "utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel," Ephesians 6:19.


With that said, it would seem that there are people that view the Christian discussion forum as offensive because maybe God's Word "steps on their toes." God's Word does have that power. That are acting and reacting as a lost person would. If you remember, we were lost at one time too.

Yet, we do have our flesh to contend with, and occasionally we yield. But as a whole, our "posts" and discussions should be done in a manner that would bring God glory because it is really not about us but ALL ABOUT HIM. Rita

Mrg,

I agree with you! If we could, WOULD remember it is all about HIM.. perhaps the pettiness wouldn't get in the way. I don't always do that BUT sometimes people are just offended by the TRUTH.. doesn't have to be about what anyone says.. sometimes just quoting the bible tends to cause a fight. Intersting though? I don't see this too much on other faiths boards. Some would claim it is because of "christians" but I tend to think it is much deeper than that. Just my take.

mrg,

I agree with you! If we could, WOULD remember it is all about HIM..perhaps the pettiness wouldn't get in the way. I don't always do that BUT sometimes people are just offended by the TRUTH..doesn't have to be about what anyone says..sometimes just quoting the bible tends to cause a fight. Intersting though? I don't see this too much on other faiths boards. some would claim it is because of "christians" but I tend to think it is much deeper than that. just my take.

You cannot tell people the truth without offense, Jesus knew this and that is why he spoke in parables. Unfortunately we Christians have never perfected the art of using parables, we want to convince the world with the brilliance of our argument

Parcalete,

That is an interesting thought. I don't believe that is why the Lord Jesus spoke in parables though. I also don't think he was afraid to speak truth.. on several occasions he made the pharasee's so mad they picked up stones to stone him... but he slipped away. He also called them a brood of vipers... so I'm pretty sure he wasn't afraid to speak truth. But He was God therefore perfect. Perhaps it is easier to receive truth from perfection.

But YES, sometimes we think our answers are brilliant. I know I have... ha!

You cannot tell people the truth without offense, Jesus knew this and that is why he spoke in parables. Unfortunately we Christians have never perfected the art of using parables, we want to convince the world with the brilliance of our argument

Jesus said why he spoke in parables:

Mark 4:10-12
11 And He said to them, "To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12 so that
'Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.' "
NKJV

There are some who are open to the truth and others who are not. There are some who are open to the guidance and the drawing of the Holy Spirit and those who are not.

I am not so sure that Jesus spoke in parables to avoid the offense to those who are perishing as much as it may have been to confound them with a simple truth.

I just found this verse, thought I'd throw it out there:

James 1 19-20 (NLT)
"My dear brothers and sisters, be quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to anger. Your anger can never make things right in God's eyes."

I think it's self explainatory.

Parcalete,

That is an interesting thought. I don't believe that is why the Lord Jesus spoke in parables though. I also don't think he was afraid to speak truth..on several occassions he made the pharasee's so mad they picked up stones to stone him...but he slipped away. He also called them a brood of vipers....so I'm pretty sure he wasn't afraid to speak truth. But He was God therefore perfect. Perhaps it is easier to receive truth from perfection.

But YES, sometimes we think our answers are brilliant. I know i have...ha!

Actually classy that brood of vipers quote was John the Baptist, Jesus was a little more subtle calling them whited sepulchres full of dead men's bones.
Jesus tells us he spoke in parables so that those who were perishing couldn't understand which is strange since he brought a message of salvation:)

Jesus tells us he spoke in parables so that those who were perishing couldn't understand which is stange since he brought a message of salvation:)

That is strange that he would try to disguise or camouflage it from the very people it was meant for. Why do you suppose he did that?

I also wondered at one time why Jesus spoke in parables even though His explanation was written in the Bible. My understanding is that His use of parables revealed the Spiritual condition of man in the fullest.

Often, He would speak plainly to His audiences. I am sure there were times that His audience (filled with believers and non-believers) were ready to listen. At these times, He did not need to speak in parables, because His plain speaking could indeed pierce their hearts.

Then, there were times when Jesus did speak in parables. Usually His audiences were filled with not only the non-believers that came to listen, but also non-believers that would not be touched by His words because of their pride and resistance. Even then, the non-believers that were seeking would "hear" Jesus' Words and have their hearts pierced, while "others" had hardened hearts.

There will always be some lost that will "see," "hear," and "understand" no matter in what way that Jesus speaks.

2 Peter 3:9 says that God does not want anyone to perish but, rather, that all would come to repentance. His Word teaches that He will save all that accept Him.

As a Christian, I stay busy trying to remain humble before Him so that I can be used of Him. This also includes waiting on God so I will "know" how to answer others. Do I always wait? No. But my desire is to let Him "finish the work that He has started in me." I am still a work in progress. Glad He has patience!

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What do you think, The Lord, Our God, The Christian God In the Bible...thinks of all the fighting we do here on this board...

and before you answer, please ask yourself...how would jesus answer...how would HE want you to treat eachother...[/QUOTE]

Let's see here... I'm an atheist, but I was raised Catholic. I think that God would throw the fighters into an eternal lake of fire, and Jesus would be saddened and try to teach us to be kind to each other. I have no idea what the Holy Spirit would do. :D

So in relation to the OP, how would you apply these verses?

Jude 1:3-4
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
(KJV)

Jenniepepsi - Much of the intra-Christian squabbling over the Bible is rooted in the obsessive reading of a book(s) that was never meant to be obsessively read.

The Buddhists have an expression that fits - it goes something like this.

When you point your finger at the moon, look at the moon, not your finger.