I actually answered on another thread and then realized that this was way off topic. So decided to repost here. SOOO

Not totally sure I understand the Jewish relationship with the Father. I mean, are they automatically let in simply because they are Jewish? Because I do not see where they have to accept Christ.

I am not sure of how it works either but I know the Bible says that God has mercy on whom he will have mercy and people that didn't know about salvation through Jesus are held accountable for what they did know.
It also says that God knows the deepest part of our souls.
So I don't know exactly how God does it but I do believe that if a Jew doesn't regard God and acts like a heathen then no I don't think the Jew would find favor with God.

450Donn,

The bible says no one comes to the Father but through Jesus. Jesus himself told a Jew that he needed to be born again. I believe they need to be saved just like a gentile.

I actually answered on another thread and then realized that this was way off topic. So decided to report here. SOOO

Not totally sure I understand the Jewish relationship with the Father. I mean, are they automatically let in simply because they are Jewish? Because I do not see where they have to accept Christ.

I am not Jewish, but I am a Christian. I have friends from many countries and some of them have been Jewish. A lot of them are faithful to their traditions, but the Bible clearly states that all people must come to the Father (God) only by accepting what Jesus(God's son) did for all mankind, which was die for them. There are Jewish Christians who have accepted what Jesus has done and there are other Jews that are still waiting on the Messiah to return.

But as a whole, there is only one way to get to heaven and that is acknowledging God as the Father, accepting that Jesus died for our sins (wrongdoings), asking forgiveness, and allowing Jesus to be our Lord and Saviour. There is no other way. Hope this helps.

Some believe the jews have a free ride so to speak. Paul was pretty clear on the matter. He was what we would call a Jew's Jew.He did everything exactly the way jewish law prescribed and followed all the rights and rituals and even approved the killing of Christians in that "new jewish sect" thinking he was doing God a favor. When he had an encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus, he said all the stuff he had done was rubbish and merely a shadow of the substance(Christ) that had come. Paul said a man is a jew if he is a jew in his heart. The real christians are the real jews now. It still boils down to - one must trust in the shed blood of Jesus to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit which causes our new birth. Nicodemus, a leading Jewish teacher of the day was told by Jesus himself that one must be born again to enter the kingdom of God. There is no "back door" Jesus is the only door and we do it His way or we are lost. As the Lord himself said, "To my people I will say, 'you are NOT my people' and to a people that were not my people I will say, 'You ARE my people."
Also, Paul said he would sacrifice his own salvation IF it meant that the Jewish people would be saved. Why would they even bother to preach to the jews at all (which is all Peter did, being the apostle to the jews, as Paul was the apostles to the gentiles) if they were going to heaven anyway?
Jesus said, 'He who has me has the Father and whoever does not have me does not have the Father'
Since part of the Jewish faith today is to reject Jesus as the Messiah they were looking for to save them from their sins, that excludes them.
However, I know several former Jews that HAVE accepted yeshua meshiah (Jesus)as Lord and think of themselves as "Completed" jews.

450Donn,

The bible says no one comes to the Father but thru Jesus. Jesus himself told a Jew that he needed to be born again. I believe they need to be saved just like a gentile.



I also agree with you as well. I am new at using this site and still trying to figure out how to answer back and reply to those that reply. RNRG

Some believe the jews have a free ride so to speak. Paul was pretty clear on the matter. He was what we would call a Jew's Jew.He did everything exactly the way jewish law prescribed and followed all the rights and rituals and even approved the killing of Christians in that "new jewish sect" thinking he was doing God a favor. When he had an encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus, he said all the stuff he had done was rubbish and merely a shadow of the substance(Christ) that had come. Paul said a man is a jew if he is a jew in his heart. The real christians are the real jews now. It still boils down to - one must trust in the shed blood of Jesus to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit which causes our new birth. Nicodemus, a leading Jewish teacher of the day was told by Jesus himself that one must be born again to enter the kingdom of God. There is no "back door" Jesus is the only door and we do it His way or we are lost. As the Lord himself said, "To my people I will say, 'you are NOT my people' and to a people that were not my people I will say, 'You ARE my people."
Also, Paul said he would sacrifice his own salvation IF it meant that the Jewish people would be saved. Why would they even bother to preach to the jews at all (which is all Peter did, being the apostle to the jews, as Paul was the apostles to the gentiles) if they were going to heaven anyway?
Jesus said, 'He who has me has the Father and whoever does not have me does not have the Father'
Since part of the Jewish faith today is to reject Jesus as the Messiah they were looking for to save them from their sins, that excludes them.
However, I know several former Jews that HAVE accepted yeshua meshiah (Jesus)as Lord and think of themselves as "Completed" jews.

Not a problem. You answered very much like my husband would. Sometimes it helps to point out scripture so it doesn't appear to be man's words but God's words to us. RNRG

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Thanks for the tidbit of help. RNRG

Basically my own question comes down to what about the person who never heard of Jesus and salvation or followed a religion that didn't teach salvation or taught doctrine that wasn't quite right yet they themselves lived their life worshipping God with all their heart, mind and soul?

Can't find it right now, but the Bible does say that Jesus will not return (rapture his church) until the last man on earth will have had the opportunity to receive.
Guess this is another topic for another thread.

That is a verse I do not understand because many die without having ever heard or ever knowing anything about getting saved. They only know the tradition that their church taught or what they learned on the street.

Like my grandmother when I was little went to her Lutheran church every Sunday and believed that all it took was being a good person and going to church.
She never knew you had to accept Jesus as savior and there was no other way.

That is a verse I do not understand because many die without having ever heard or ever knowing anything about getting saved. They only know the tradition that their church taught or what they learned on the street.

You are correct when you say that people will believe what their church teaches and adhere to the teachings of their church. This could be a good thing or a bad thing. First, as a Christian, what we do should be based on what the BIBLE says. If our church's teaching does not line up with what the Bible says, then the church is wrong. If our traditions do not line up with what the Bible says, then our traditions are wrong.

Our loyalty must first be to God who will always guide and lead us to do what is right, no matter what. Could you imagine God, who is perfect, to suggest to us to make what changes we need in the church or our world, to satisfy ourselves. He always has our best interest at heart. It is all about Him and not about us.

As for the rest of the world that has never heard of God, we need to remember that God will always "save those" that call on HIM. The Bible says that we are laid bare before him and that there is nothing we can hide from him. So, if "this person" who has never heard of God worships God, then God will reveal Himself to this person. God sees inside the heart of man. But if this man is worshiping anything else, he is not saved.

Sin has consequences, if our families neglect to tell us about God, then we risk having generations of people that will not know him. This is sad, but true. I have taught Bible studies to students from China that have never heard of God, yet when I started from the beginning of the Bible and explained about how the world and everything was made, they wanted to know why they were never told this. They even asked if my family could move to China and let their families know about this. I did remind them that at one time, their country had missionaries there, that had shared this news with them, but during the revolutions, were forced out. After many years, few people in their country knew of God.

What happened? The Gospel was lost but not totally. Now their country is back to being 99 percent other religions. A country that is mostly without God. God is faithful and answers those that call on Him. As Christians, it is also our duty to tell others. It should be a part of our daily lives to pray for all men that they may come to God. RNRG

The Bible says that we are laid bare before him and that there is nothing we can hide from him. So, if "this person" who has never heard of God worships God, then God will reveal Himself to this person. God sees inside the heart of man. But if this man is worshiping anything else, he is not saved.


That is exactly part of what I am saying about the Jews and people who never heard of Jesus or salvation.

That is exactly part of what I am saying about the Jews and people who never heard of Jesus or salvation.

I remember someone telling me one time that even if you look a person in their eyes, you can not tell if they are a Christian or not. No one wants to think of another person going to Hell, but IT IS going to happen... even those that sit beside you in church.

I know that God is the only perfect Judge and it will be Jesus who will acknowledge whether He knows us or not when we stand before Him. So, whether we live in America or in another country, God looks at the intent of the heart.

It is our duty to be faithful to whatever He tells us to do. I know this to be true because my husband and I were missionaries overseas for several years. It is sad to see people from all walks of life that are hung up with their traditions and rituals because they have been taught this.

I was faithful to share with those that God put in my path. Many people were caught up in "works" which can not save you. God made it so simple for us, people have made it difficult.

So like your grandmother, God will look at the intent of her heart. It is not for us to judge... but it is your duty to make sure that you know Christ and share the message with others. RNRG

Exactly my point except I don't think the word intent is quite the right word because like the saying 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions'. Meaning what your intentions are no matter how good... good works or good intents can't get you to heaven.

I see it more as what is the spirit within you. Like the Bible says something about God looks into the depth of our heart and soul and knows us better than we know ourselves. He knows what spirit he put in us. He says he is the potter and we are the clay and who are we to disagree with him.

Exactly my point except I don't think the word intent is quite the right word because like the saying 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions'. Meaning what your intentions are no matter how good....good works or good intents can't get you to heaven.

I see it more as, what is the Spirit within you. Like the Bible says something about God looks into the depth of our heart and soul and knows us better than we know ourselves. He knows what spirit he put in us. He says he is the potter and we are the clay and who are we to disagree with him.

I did not mean to use the word "intent" loosely. But if we are a Christian, then we will have the Holy Spirit living within us that intercedes on our behalf. It is what guides us and pricks us when we sin or think of sin. The Holy Spirit is our comforter and what God sent to us when He said "I will never leave or forsake you." His presence will always be with us as Christians.

I don't think there is ever an easy answer for what we are discussing except that we make sure that we know God and that He will always save those that are seeking Him. It has always been a great concern of mine to pray for those that you are talking about because I don't want anyone to go to HELL. RNRG

I actually answered on another thread and then realized that this was way off topic. So decided to repost here. SOOO

Not totally sure I understand the Jewish relationship with the Father. I mean, are they automatically let in simply because they are Jewish? Because I do not see where they have to accept Christ.

There are many more facts concerning the Jew apposed to Israelite. We need to understand that all tribes were not Jew until later after the carrying away of the ten tribe was applied to the Israelite.

Jesus mother Mary was a daughter of the Levite priesthood, and we know that Moses and Aaron were known as Hebrew. "Israelites"

Jesus was the begotten Son of God

However the supposed father of Jesus on earth was Joseph from the house of David. The Jew in early time was the brother of the Hebrew tribes Isrealites (Jer 34:9) And Jews were of a Kingdom of Judah who did imprison their brothers which made God very angry.

Note the separation in example written when God speaks of Israel and Judah.
Jer 3:7-8 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it. And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

These facts are what gives meaning to Christ being the LORD of LORDS by HIS mother Mary hertiage, and KING of KINGS by HIS supposed father on earth.

Now I ask anyone who views this differently to explain why.. But I think this all will help determine some question of the thread and how the Jewish heritage relates to Christ.

I mean, are they automatically let in simply because they are Jewish? Because I do not see where they have to accept Christ.

450donn - I think your question is best answered by examining at least two places in Scripture. I'll point them out below.

First off, if you read Luke's account of John the Baptist, there's this exchange between John and the people of Israel in Ch 3. John comes out and begins to preach "a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins." As the forerunner of Jesus, John was commissioned by God to prepare the people to receive Jesus as Messiah. But this people were steeped in a religious tradition that saw being Jewish as automatically being right with God. Moreover, because some among the crowd were Pharisees, he was forceful in message to address people's need for repentance. Two issues are at play here. The people he was addressing were presuming upon the grace and mercy of God by appealing to their religious fervor and to their Jewishness. They assumed because they kept their religious traditions and were children of Abraham, God was pleased with them. But John tells them not to presume upon their Jewishness but instead, repent and really take on the spirit of God's law which was to love your neighbor as yourself:

"He said therefore to the crowds that came out to be baptized by him, 'You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bear fruits in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, "We have Abraham as our father"' For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Even now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.'

And the crowds asked him, 'What then shall we do?' And he answered them, “Whoever has two tunics is to share with him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise.” Tax collectors also came to be baptized and said to him, “Teacher, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Collect no more than you are authorized to do.” Soldiers also asked him, “And we, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Do not extort money from anyone by threats or by false accusation, and be content with your wages.”

When John tells them that God is able to raise up for himself children of Abraham from stones, it's his way of telling them that they aren't special. They aren't so great in the eyes of God that they are doing God a favor by being Jewish. Instead, he warns them of God's impending judgment if they do not repent of their sins. John is not impressed with their religiosity nor with their Jewishness and by extension, neither is God. The Jews here are in need of being confronted with the fact that their being Jewish does not qualify them for mercy...only repentance and good fruit out of that repentance is will carry any currency with God. God does not delight in religious tradition or piousness, but in a heart that longs to do the will of God in a good and honest way. That is the substance of John's message.

Paul also addresses the idea that not all Jews who are children of Abraham will receive the promises of God. Romans 9:

"For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.

What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills."

You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” Has the potter no right over the clay, to make of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea,

“Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,'
And her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.'”
“And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,'
There they will be called 'sons of the living God.'”

And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” And as Isaiah predicted,

“If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring,
We would have been like Sodom
And become like Gomorrah.”

Paul sees that there has always been a distinction throughout the history of Israel in relationship to God. God chose Israel to be his special people but in their history, they have largely been a nation who has hated and rejected God. Only a remnant of Israel has been saved throughout its generations. Because of their wickedness, God could have done away with them the same way he dealt with Sodom and Gomorrah. But in his mercy, he has spared some from destruction. This is the idea of election at play here.

The truth is that if God had not chosen to spare the Jews or any of us, we would all be destroyed. God's mercy and grace is truly great when you consider that all nations should be destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah, but God is a merciful and loving God, full of compassion.

We have to understand much better what Jesus means when He says that there is no other way to the Father than Him.
If this way starts from His incarnation then all those fathers of faith that lived before Him did not make it to the Father and that is not true.
Do not believe that the only begotten Son of God, appears on this earth only incarnated almost 2000 years ago.The Son is present from day one and before that.
Who was the one that appeared to Abraham?It was not the Father because no one can see God and live,so who did Abraham actually see?He saw the Son,The Word of God!
Who did Jacob see?He saw the Son.Who did Moses see?Who did Daniel see,who did Samson's parents see?Always the Son!
Who was leading the Jewish people in the desert?Who gave them the law?The Son!
What is written about the Son?It is written that He is the same,yesterday today and forever.
So, when there was no law,it was the Son that was the way to the Father for people like Abel,Enoch,Noah,Abraham,Isaak,Jacob...
When the law was given to the Jewish people by the Son,it was the Son that was the way to the Father because the law from the beginning to the end points out to the Son.
When the Word of God, the only begotten Son of God became flesh and dwelt among us,it was and still is Him that is the way to the Father!

450Donn, Some churches believe that generally speaking a devout Jew will be saved because the Jew (the more faithful the better) are God's chosen First Born.
However, it is my belief that the bible seems to speak differently about that.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life.
The bible does indicate that there will be a time when the Jew will come to Jesus.
Which Jews is the question.
Is it just those who will be alive at that time or something else.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
Jeff... I do not have a rate button to push and wish that I did.
No one seems to be able to solve that problem for me.

You don't have an orange rectangle at the center bottom of each persons answer that says "rate this answer"?
It isn't there at all seems impossible since it is at the bottom of everyones (including yours)answer or response. Perhaps you should contact the higher ups about this because usually all websites are exactly the same for all regular users.
True, it isn't in the little answer box where you type in "answer this question" but every response should have the orange rectangle in the bottom center and the blue rectangle just to the right of it saying, "quote user"Just to pipe with the technical bits (that's my forté).

Fred, if you are using the old "skin" like I do then the rating feature is accessed by the scales icon in the top right of every post:
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It is our duty to be faithful to whatever He tells us to do. I know this to be true because my husband and I were missionaries overseas for several years. It is sad to see people from all walks of life that are hung up with their traditions and rituals because they have been taught this.


Here is my concern with this - are you a convert from another religion or are you a practicing Christian because that is the religion (complete with "rituals") in which you were raised?

And the people you find sad - were they not just living the religion in which they were raised?

Here is my concern with this - are you a convert from another religion or are you a practicing Christian because that is the religion (complete with "rituals") in which you were raised?

And the people you find sad - were they not just living the religion in which they were raised?

No, I was not a convert from another religion. I was not even raised in a Christian home. My parents were just good moral people that taught my siblings and me to be productive citizens when we grew up. I obeyed them but felt empty inside as I grew into a teenager as if I was missing something about life, a completeness. When I was a teenager, a friend invited me to her church. I went a few times only to find myself repeatedly returning and "finding out" about a God who would and could make me complete. I became a Christian about a year later. My life has been forever changed and with that, I have only wanted to share with others what Christ has done for me.

Also, I do not even consider Christianity to be a religion but a relationship with God, who is our Heavenly Father. The "sadness" that I felt was for those that had not accepted Christ. You see, according to the Bible, there is only one way to be saved, and that is by accepting God as your Father, accepting that Jesus was God's son, and that He died for all mankind, and asking Him to be your Lord and Savior. Christianity is faith based.
The Bible says "For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast. So you see, there is nothing that I could do or any work that I could do, to be saved or stay saved. God's gift of salvation is free. Anything else, according to God, is wrong. My statements are never meant to offend anyone.

Yes, some of those "people" that I met were following their traditions and rituals. I never told them they were wrong, but if they did ask about the difference in what I believed and what they believed, I would show them what the Bible said about it.

I do not follow rituals as a Christian. Jesus made the perfect sacrifice for us and no longer do we have to perform any type of ritual to have a relationship with him. The Bible is a guide for my life. God has ordinances that are made plan for which He expects us to follow.


My thoughts are, if you knew that your friends were going to be heading down a freeway going in the wrong direction, would you try and stop them, or would you continue to allow them to continue with their journey. The Bible says to go into all the world and preach the Gospel. So, where ever God puts me, I will always share with those that He places in my path. RNRG

You are speaking according to your Bible, quoting your God.

I don't think you can speak for everyone.

As far as your beliefs, thank you for explaining them clearly and concisely.

You are speaking according to your Bible, quoting your God.Her Bible is the Bible that ALL of Christianity believe to be the inspired word of God. Those that dispute it are disputing Christianity.

I don't think you can speak for everyone.Don't see where she ever claimed to be speaking for everybody. She was answering a direct question.

As far as your beliefs, thank you for explaining them clearly and concisely.

So what is your point?

Need Karma,
Thanks much.
I do have the set of scales.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Nah, people can post what they want anywhere they want... as long as they follow the TOS. Having the place reserved only for like-minded people makes the discussion boring. Many questions posed here are not even question and answer types but actually points for discussion.

I was originally going to send this as a private message but decided that maybe everyone would benefit.
Contrary to most of the posters, this is NOT a discussion board or a chatroom. It is the "ask me help desk" where people that have questions about Christianity are supposed to get answers - about christianity or what the Bible has to say about their specific questions.
If they want to chat or have discussions, there are plenty of other places to go like "politically correct answers" or "what non-believers think" "ask those that don't have a clue" or everybodys favorite, "All I know I learned from watching Mtv"
If you are a reader of the posts, all these totally different answers under the name of Christianity can only confuse. If you don't believe the Bible and believe what Jesus said, please don't answer in the Christianity answers section, feel free to ask any question you like, and save the discussion for the discussion groups and chat rooms.
I know this post itself is a violation but it absolutely had to be said.

Thank you! I agree. RNRG

Needkarma,
So then call it a discussion group. I said anybody can ask any question. If they want a christian answer since they are in the christianity section, only a christian should answer. If you want an answer from someone else like an Mtv expert or a new age expert or a real estate expert, you go to that section to get answers. You're not suggesting that since I know little to nothing about computers that I should answer questions asked in the computer section. By the same token, people that know little or nothing about Christianity should not be answering. If you want a free for all discussion, go to the philosophy section where everybody has an equally valid opinion to answer any question. Or start a new section with questions about God. Don't put up a specific belief system (christianity) and say anybody that believes anything can answer. Yes, I'm free to go and answer questions in the computer section, but my answers there would be just as silly as some of the answers here. Well, maybe the computer guys would LIKE me to answer technical questions just to keep the people truly seeking answers from getting bored.

Well, maybe the computer guys would LIKE me to answer technical questions just to keep the people truly seeking answers from getting bored.Sure, feel free, the people there aren't afraid of a different point of view.

Sure, feel free, the people there aren't afraid of a different point of view.

Maybe NOT... but I don't think you want ME posting over there... :p Incidentally I wouldn't try to post an ANSWER to a question concerning the Koran because I don't know anything about it.

Having said that.. on the Christian boards... I personally enjoy everyone's input, But I think it is appropriate if you ARE NOT a Christian to say that just so the OP knows that he or she may NOT be getting a Christian response. Well that is my two cents anyway.

NK- far as I can tell there isn't anyone "afraid" of a different point of view over here either... so there.. bubba! Ha. ;)

Homesell,

... I think it is good to welcome EVERYONE thoughts as long as they let the OP know up front they are NOT Christians. Do you agree or disagree with that?

So what is your point?


My point was to thank her for explaining this to me. And your point in posting?

I think Paul gives us the Jewish connectioin here:

Rom 3:1-2
1 What advantage then hath the Jew? Or what profit is there of circumcision?
2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
(KJV)

Israel has received and preserved the record of God dealing with mankind.
God has an eternal plan for the nation of Israel, but soul salvation is on the same basis for all of us. Faith in Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God.

I was originally going to send this as a private message but decided that maybe everyone would benefit.
Contrary to most of the posters, this is NOT a discussion board or a chatroom. It is the "ask me help desk" where people that have questions about Christianity are supposed to get answers - about christianity or what the Bible has to say about their specific questions.
If they want to chat or have discussions, there are plenty of other places to go like "politically correct answers" or "what non-believers think" "ask those that don't have a clue" or everybodys favorite, "All I know I learned from watching Mtv"
If you are a reader of the posts, all these totally different answers under the name of Christianity can only confuse. If you don't believe the Bible and believe what Jesus said, please don't answer in the Christianity answers section, feel free to ask any question you like, and save the discussion for the discussion groups and chat rooms.
I know this post itself is a violation but it absolutely had to be said.


Let me get this straight - you know this is a violation but you have chosen to post it anyway?

At any rate - if you want to only hear from people who think like you start your own website.

Or become a Moderator - either/or.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/feedback/suggestion-new-written-policy-372284.html

By violation I meant violating my own rule about what it says at the bottom (the signature) concerning getting involved in discussion or defending my position. I'm sorry you got the impression I don't want people that don't think like me in the christianity website. If you were a pet expert, would you like people that didn't own pets giving advice to those that have questions about their pets? This isn't Christianity discussion group, this is answers in Christianity section. It's asinine to have a question asked in the Christianity section by an atheist. I don't post answers at all on any other site 'cuz I'm not an expert in any other field and answering a question when you're not an expert (or at least extremely knowledgeable) is just an uneducated opinion.


You seem to be confused about the purpose of AMHD - ANYONE is welcome to post. Using your example (dogs) if you have a neighbor who has a dog, if you've ever SEEN a dog, you're welcome to post.

And opinions are welcome - educated or not.

As far as violating your own rule - you also violated a site rule.

I'm not sure how my "agree" above got there. I actually agree with Homesell. (Hit the wreon button, I suppose.)

[QUOTE=homesell disagrees: the site says"live answers from real experts" not discussion from atheists, agnostics, and the uninformed.
.[/QUOTE]



Agreed - so what are you doing here?

Oh, that's right. You're a self-proclaimed expert.

Shouldn't that be "discussion BY" and not "discussion from" while you're criticizing.

And revenge reddies are so transparent and revealing!

I'm not sure how my "agree" above got there. I actually agree with Homesell. (Hit the wreon button, I suppose.)



This will help explain. Ask Me Help Desk - FAQ (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/faq.php)

JudyK,

You gave me a reddie because I said anyone could post on the Christian board as long as they state they aren't Christian. I stand corrected... However, I was NOT trying to be unkind when I said it. I was trying to invite anyone to do so. I think when someone ASKS a question of the CHRISTIAN board they are looking for a CHRISTIAN answer so I think it is POLITE to let the OP know they are NOT a Christian. It is a free country ( kind of anyway). I also said I personally welcomed anyone.

No one on any other board here has to state their background or beliefs. That shouldn't start here.

Someone's Christianity is proved only by heart and not by labels.There are many of people who do not confess Jesus simply because they do not know Him,but their heart is more Christian than many of the self proclaimed Christians.
And by knowing Christ I do not mean hear about Him from people like me and you because many times we present a false Christ,and that makes us definitely not experts in Christianity.
If only experts could post here, then we should all go home!

No one on any other board here has to state their background or beliefs. That shouldn't start here.

Yes... we established that. All are welcomed BUT it is a Christianity question board not a discussion board. People come here seeking Christian answers or they would post in another section. Enough has been said NK... your input is very much appreciated as ALWAYS. :)

Incidentally, I haven't seen you answer any christians questions, I have seen you pipe in to gripe and complain and set us all straight when we are OFF topic. But again... thanks for that... as always it is NOTED and appreciated. :)


By the way NK... what is your take? Does a Jew need to be covered under the blood of Christ by accepting the Lord Jesus Christ as savior? What verse do you use to back up your thoughts on the subject?

I love your passive/aggressive responses. :)

Some Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah. To such Messianic Jews, the New Testament is valuable. The majority, who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, do not acknowledge the New Testament. Jews do NOT believe Jesus is the Messiah. They are still awaiting the coming of a messiah. Since they do not recognize Jesus as Christ, they do not hold as sacred the collection of books and letters that tell of him---the New Testament.

I love your passive/aggressive responses. :)

Some Jews believe Jesus is the Messiah. To such Messianic Jews, the New Testament is valuable. The majority, who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah of Israel, do not acknowledge the New Testament. Jews do NOT believe Jesus is the Messiah. They are still awaiting the coming of a messiah. Since they do not recognize Jesus as Christ, they do not hold as sacred the collection of books and letters that tell of him---the New Testament.

All completely true.

It's too bad though that we can't convince more of them to read the letter to the Hebrews. That was written from a Jewish perspective AND ESPECIALLY FOR THEM using the Torah to prove that Jesus Christ is Messiah.

Jewish people at least need to see what a fellow Jew had to say on the subject.

So...
What is the Jewish connection to all of that?
\Fred

So.....
What is the Jewish connection to all of that?
\Fred

Thank you Fred!

So.....
What is the Jewish connection to all of that?
\Fred

To all of what? Is this directed to me, or someone else?

If you refer to my post above, it goes like this:

The Torah are the sacred writings of the Jews.
The Torah points to Messiah.
The Book of Hebrews uses the Torah to prove Jesus is Messiah.
No one comes to the Father except by Jesus Christ.

The Jewish connection to God explained.

I actually answered on another thread and then realized that this was way off topic. So decided to repost here. SOOO

Not totally sure I understand the Jewish relationship with the Father. I mean, are they automatically let in simply because they are Jewish? Because I do not see where they have to accept Christ.


John 8:22-24
22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? Because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
(KJV)

Galvison,
Thanks much
Fred

I found no need to respond to OP's question - by the time I got on the thread had wandered all over the place.

I disagreed with your disagree with a comment of "not really...i MUST disagree" and no other explanation.

This has turned into a dialogue for a message board. This entire issue is being addressed on another thread. Maybe this thread should be closed - if it is dead - and the discussion part moved over here: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forum-help/reporting-violations-377445.html.

I find a lot of your posts "interesting," too, by the way. And you have a nice day, too.

Thread closed.

Will not stay on topic, many posts have had to be deleted by people with their own purpose beyond answering the original poster