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sarah_20pgn
Jul 10, 2009, 08:38 AM
I am 25yrs old.I have been a terrible person throughout my life.alot of times thinking of no one but myself.I do not go to church,but I do believe in god.my question is... is it too late for me to be saved?is it to late for god to forgive me for my awful sins?I want to do better,and make the lord a major part of my life.I just don't know how.what if I was saved and was kille
3weeks,or 3months from now! where would I go?I do not want to be afraid of dying.

Wondergirl
Jul 10, 2009, 08:46 AM
It's never too late to have a good relationship with God. He's waiting for you. Talk to Him.

LiveAndLove0923
Jul 10, 2009, 08:48 AM
Go to church. It is never to late. Pray for forgiveness. God will forgive you. Everything will be all right.

homesell
Jul 10, 2009, 09:44 AM
sarah_20pgn,
1. You're ahead of many that seek God in that you admit you've made a ton of mistakes like we all have.
2. God wants a relationship with you(and all of us)
3. Because no amountof being good or doing good works makes up for what we've done in the past or will do in the future, God became a perfect, sinless man and bore all our sins on Himself and paid the penalty we should have paid.
4. Tell God that you want to be Holy(set apart) for Him and you know you can't do it on your own. Ask God to fill you with his Spirit, and give you a new fresh start, a rebirth.
5. Read His word(the Bible) and trust him with all things concerning your life as he Guides you.
6. Talk to Him(prayer) about anything and everything
7. Find other people that believe the Bible and gather together to worship our Creator, Redeemer, Saviour.

sarah_20pgn
Jul 10, 2009, 10:59 AM
Thank you so very much.I was much needing to hear that it was not too late for me,and how I can start a new.

450donn
Jul 10, 2009, 11:26 AM
Remember, the only sinless person ever was Jesus Christ. And they crucified him!

LearningAsIGo
Jul 10, 2009, 12:47 PM
You've already chosen the right path. Follow it with prayer, your Bible, and church-going.

The path will not be easy, as all Christians know, but it is the best path you will ever take. You'll have no regrets and you'll be amazed at how much love you'll feel each day.

God bless!

N0help4u
Jul 10, 2009, 05:55 PM
You have the desire to serve God so you go and do that. God knows your heart.
Read your Bible, get a good Bible study to learn from, find a good Church.
Personally I like the Assemblies of God.
Some Baptist churches have good Bible studies too.

You can also look up Bible study topics on the internet.

Remember Paul killed Christians and God turned his life around.

jenniepepsi
Jul 10, 2009, 05:57 PM
Remember, peter denied jesus 3 times... and jesus stll forgave him his sins. Its NEVER too late to turn back to your lord. He is always with you, no matter wher eyou are and he is always ready to welcome you back with open arms.

arcura
Jul 25, 2009, 11:38 PM
Sarah_20pg,
I think that you know now that the only time it is to late to be saved is if you die without accepting Jesus as your Lord and savior an having faith in Him.
Of course if you have a good strong faith you will love God and Jesus as The Christ. And do the things that He wants you to do.
The way to find out about that is to read and study the New Testament.
Good luck and may God bless you much.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cadillac59
Aug 4, 2009, 10:45 PM
i am 25yrs old.i have been a terrible person throughtout my life.alot of times thinking of no one but myself.i do not go to church,but i do beleive in god.my question is...is it too late for me to be saved?is it to late for god to forgive me for my awful sins?i want to do better,and make the lord a major part of my life.i just dont know how.what if i was saved and was kille
3weeks,or 3months from now!?where would i go?i do not want to be afraid of dying.

What do you need to be saved from and why do you have such low self-esteem?

arcura
Aug 5, 2009, 09:38 PM
cadillac59
I think that...
Sarah is asking about saving here soul from hell.
Like all sinners should, she feels guilty cincerning her past sins, whatever they may be.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cadillac59
Aug 5, 2009, 09:58 PM
cadillac59
I think that......
Sarah is asking about saving here soul from hell.
Like all sinners should, she feels guilty cincerning her past sins, whatever they may be.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Well, I'm not here to argue about any of that because I respect the purpose of this board. But, I'm sure you can tell my position on these matters by my signature line (i.e, amongst other things I do not accept the concept of sin).

Perhaps all I am suggesting is that she needs to work on building her self-esteem in serious tangible ways without resort to the metaphysical.

arcura
Aug 5, 2009, 10:21 PM
cadillac59,
Thanks for your explanation.
Now, I understand but I am mystified as to why you are on this board at all.
If I believed as you do I would stay far way from religion.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cadillac59
Aug 5, 2009, 10:31 PM
cadillac59,
Thanks for your explanation.
Now, I understand but I am mystified as to why you are on this board at all.
If I believed as you do I would stay far way from religion.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Thank you for your reply.

Actually, I spend most of my time on the family law board. I noticed many of the participants there also happen to be here, which I suspected might be true having read some of their signature lines with Bible quotes. So perhaps it might be curiosity that caused me to see who is on this board and what matters are being discussed (I know Fr. Chuck and Nohelp4You from the law board just to give an example).

Actually, believing as I do I do not feel the need to steer clear of religion: I'm not afraid of a discussion about it since I'm quite experienced with and know much about Christianity. I think the final end of my involvement with all religion came when I came out as a gay man.

arcura
Aug 5, 2009, 10:42 PM
cadillac59,
Thank you.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cogs
Aug 6, 2009, 06:05 PM
Sara, your decision to come to god's ways evidently is based on whatever made you turn from sin. This is the path to god, to repent. Since god lives in us, he knows our hearts' intentions. He wouldn't stifle your beginning path to repentance, by condemning you. Rather, he would water your heart to make it grow stronger for his ways. This 'spirit' is your motivation to grow spiritually.

cadillac59: there are many things our spirit feeds on that take away peace. I think that god knows all of these areas, and wants our complete peace. I believe he uses love and his power as influence to persuade us. We can't condemn each other, because we all have these 'evils'. Let me say that christians, if they're honest, can accept you as they are accepted by god. Our purpose is to love each other, and attempt to follow god's ways for our complete peace. It starts first believing that god is who he says he is in the bible.

jmjoseph
Aug 6, 2009, 06:10 PM
It's never too late to be saved by our forgiving LORD. Do not look back in regret, learn from your mistakes and move forward.

The windshield is bigger than the rearview mirror.

cadillac59
Aug 6, 2009, 07:08 PM
sara, your decision to come to god's ways evidently is based on whatever made you turn from sin. this is the path to god, to repent. since god lives in us, he knows our hearts' intentions. he wouldn't stifle your beginning path to repentance, by condemning you. rather, he would water your heart to make it grow stronger for his ways. this 'spirit' is your motivation to grow spiritually.

cadillac59: there are many things our spirit feeds on that take away peace. i think that god knows all of these areas, and wants our complete peace. i believe he uses love and his power as influence to persuade us. we can't condemn each other, because we all have these 'evils'. let me say that christians, if they're honest, can accept you as they are accepted by god. our purpose is to love each other, and attempt to follow god's ways for our complete peace. it starts first believing that god is who he says he is in the bible.

Thank you for your comments.

It became abundantly clear to me some time ago that Christians will not or cannot accept me as I am, as a gay man, because their religious tenants distort reality. In other words, the believers see the world through the filter of religious doctrine and dogma, a filter that insists what the world presents as real is in fact not real. I decided long ago to accept reality, not live in a fantasy world.

N0help4u
Aug 6, 2009, 07:19 PM
To me it is a fine line like I am replying to a guy about how to come out of the closet to find out if this other guy is gay. In the meantime I don't condone it and I know what God has to say about it but I know people are going to do what they are going to do. I can't really change that. I don't really accept it but I don't have any negative or ill feelings toward them either. I think that is on God to take care of however he sees fit.
I don't think it is any more right to go against gays, be homophobic or whatever you want to call it any more than it is to have an attitude toward people who go to strip clubs and things like that. Sins do not come in degrees. Man labels sin as mortal or vinal or whatever.
We are all sinners. We either ask God's forgiveness or we don't.

cadillac59
Aug 6, 2009, 07:27 PM
To me it is a fine line like I am replying to a guy about how to come out of the closet to find out if this other guy is gay. In the meantime I don't condone it and I know what God has to say about it but I know people are going to do what they are going to do. I can't really change that. I don't really accept it but I don't have any negative or ill feelings toward them either. I think that is on God to take care of however he sees fit.
I don't think it is any more right to go against gays, be homophobic or whatever you want to call it any more than it is to have an attitude toward people who go to strip clubs and things like that. Sins do not come in degrees. Man labels sin as mortal or vinal or whatever.
We are all sinners. We either ask God's forgiveness or we don't.

But being gay is not like going to or wanting to go to a strip club. It's not like being unfaithful to a spouse or having trouble with fidelity. It's a state of being, like being white, black, short or tall. It's an immutable part of a person, exactly like being heterosexual is an unchangeable part of a person and their being. It's not a choice and it is not a disease. It's a naturally occurring state of being that transcends culture or religion. There's nothing about being gay that needs forgiveness anymore than being straight requires forgiveness.

N0help4u
Aug 6, 2009, 07:34 PM
Yeah I understand that but from a Christian perspective the Bible says that anything short of being faithful in a husband/wife marriage is sexual impurity so that is what I am saying that Christians seem to judge gay people more than they judge the christian that goes and cheats on his wife or something which is wrong to judge this way.

cadillac59
Aug 6, 2009, 07:41 PM
yeah I understand that but from a Christian perspective the Bible says that anything short of being faithful in a husband/wife marriage is sexual impurity so that is what I am saying that Christians seem to judge gay people more than they judge the christian that goes and cheats on his wife or something which is wrong to judge this way.

It does seem that they do treat gay people differently, yes. And it is wrong. But I think that the larger problem is with religion in the first place. That's the underlying poison.

cogs
Aug 6, 2009, 07:56 PM
Cadillac, I can't ignore the bible's witness of god. What you refer to as religion, is perhaps tradition. Human nature's tendency could take god's desire to see men move away from being gay, and make an opportunity to hate gay people. This is error, because there's no love and forgiveness in order to make peace with god.

cadillac59
Aug 6, 2009, 10:07 PM
cadillac, i can't ignore the bible's witness of god. what you refer to as religion, is perhaps tradition. human nature's tendency could take god's desire to see men move away from being gay, and make an opportunity to hate gay people. this is error, because there's no love and forgiveness in order to make peace with god.

I don't understand what you mean by there's no love and forgiveness in order to make peace with god.

When I say religion, I'm referring to Christianity and all other theistic belief systems, beliefs that say god exists and intervenes in human affairs, cares about people, relates to individuals, that sort of thing.

Deism is a maybe. That's the belief that a god exists as an impersonal force in the universe, a first cause perhaps, a being that does not intervene in human affairs and does not care about human behavior. Now that makes sense, possibly. But that's not a religion. I might be tempted in the direction of deism, but it is just as easy to say and somewhat more plausible to say that god does not exist. There's no god of the Bible just as there is no Thor, or Poseidon. I always thought it was funny the way so many people will accept the god of the Old and New Testaments but not accept the Norse belief of an 8-legged horse living behind the clouds. I fail to see how anyone can say one is more likely to be true than the other.

arcura
Aug 6, 2009, 10:29 PM
Gogs,
Yes God is a God of peace and Jesus is the peace maker.
By the way not all Christians will not accept a gay person for who that person is and not for what that person does.
I accept them for they are God's children and I know some whom I admire for being admirable people.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cadillac59
Aug 6, 2009, 10:35 PM
Gogs,
Yes God is a God of peace and Jesus is the peace maker.
By the way not all Christians will not accept a gay person for who that person is and not for what that person does.
I accept them for they are God's children and I know some whom I admire for being admirable people.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Before deciding to leave Christianity (I was ELCA Lutheran) I had contemplated finding a gay church. But then I decided that even those churches were outside mainstream Christian thinking and I had to doubt that they had really considered the ramifications of remaining in the faith. Hence, Christianity became suspect to me, I considered whether I really believed any of it, decided I did not, and that I could not remain in it.

arcura
Aug 6, 2009, 10:50 PM
cadillac59,
Thanks for your explanation.
I hope you find a Christian Church that you feel comfortable with.
If not I hope you have a happy life.
Fred

cadillac59
Aug 6, 2009, 11:09 PM
cadillac59,
Thanks for your explanation.
I hope you find a Christian Church that you feel comfortable with.
If not I hope you have a happy life.
Fred

Well, thanks for the well-wishing. I had to laugh because I just visited the board on mythology and spirituality, or whatever it is called, and one person had a question: every time she and he new boyfriend go for a walk they see a big black or brown furry dog that looks like a bear and she was wondering of this had any spiritual significance or if it was a bad omen. I had to laugh, but I can imagine if anything bad happens to this lady or her boyfriend they are going to blame it on some big furry dog. It's not hard to see how religions got started.

arcura
Aug 6, 2009, 11:26 PM
cadillac59,
Some People have been superstitious for many centuries and some have started some odd religions, but that does not mean that all religions have no true spiritual basis.
I believe that we are all spiritual being made up of mind body and spirit, a trinity somewhat like God is a trinity.
I also believe that that dog may be a bad omen for them ONLY because they made it that way.
It would have been better if they thought that it was a sign of good luck.
That way if something good happened they could be happy rather than be frightened of that animal.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cadillac59
Aug 6, 2009, 11:42 PM
cadillac59,
Some People have been superstitious for many centuries and some have started some odd religions, but that does not mean that all religions have no true spiritual basis.
I believe that we are all spiritual being made up of mind body and spirit, a trinity somewhat like God is a trinity.
I also believe that that dog may be a bad omen for them ONLY because they made it that way.
It would have been better if they thought that it was a sign of good luck.
That way if something good happened they could be happy rather than be frightened of that animal.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

But isn't all religion just grounded on superstition? Aren't they all really the same? An ancient account of something passed on from one to the other with no rhyme or reason behind any of it? They all originated at a time when man knew nothing of the world around him.

Middle Eastern sheepherders who thought the earth was flat wrote the Bible a few thousand years ago. That sums it all up for me. Believing in a big black furry dog omen makes about as much sense for me as believing the Bible.

N0help4u
Aug 7, 2009, 04:22 AM
But isn't all religion just grounded on superstition?

Not superstition. Mans tradition.

An ancient account of something passed on from one to the other with no rhyme or reason behind any of it? They all originated at a time when man knew nothing of the world around him.

Precisely they KNEW NOTHING of the world around them yet there are many things (scientific) said in the Bible that men of those times had no knowledge of.

Middle Eastern sheepherders who thought the earth was flat wrote the Bible a few thousand years ago. That sums it all up for me. Believing in a big black furry dog omen makes about as much sense for me as believing the Bible.

Yeah they thought the earth was flat so why would they put in the old testament that it was a orb.

arcura
Aug 7, 2009, 09:26 PM
cadillac59,
No, I do not believe that.
There are far too many things mentioned in the bible that point to its authenticity.
Modern archaeology has authenticated much of the Old and New Testaments.
Not only that but the fact that many of the prophesies in the old and new testaments have come true.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

cadillac59
Aug 8, 2009, 01:16 AM
cadillac59,
No, I do not believe that.
There are far too many things mentioned in the bible that point to its authenticity.
Modern archaeology has authenticated much of the Old and New Testaments.
Not only that but the fact that many of the prophesies in the old and new testaments have come true.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Well, I've never believed the bible was literally true. Noah and the Arch is a fairytale, as is Jonah and the Whale, Adam and Eve, the 6-day creation story and on and on. Make-believe mythology is all it is or was. I don't believe in the atonement or any of that either.

Twink24
Aug 8, 2009, 02:14 AM
(this is just what I believe) Before Jesus, any sinning (even the tiniest of sins such as a swear or stealing a cookie) was bad enough to send you to hell, don't get me wrong god loved us and did not want to send us to hell but there was such a separation from god that no one was able to cross into heaven. And even all of your good deeds going to church etc did not erase your sins. When Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose from the grave he paid the penalty for our sins and bridged the gap between God and people. So basically Jesus Christ gave us a clean slate and it is like a gift from Jesus that everyone is allowed into heaven. As long as you admit that you are a sinner, that your willing to turn away from your sins (repent), as long as you believe that Jesus Christ died for you on the cross and rose from the grave, and through prayer invite Jesus to come in and control your life through holy spirit (receive him as lord and savior).
Please not nasty comments, this is only what I believe.

cadillac59
Aug 8, 2009, 10:39 AM
(this is just what i believe) Before Jesus, any sinning (even the tiniest of sins such as a swear or stealing a cookie) was bad enough to send you to hell, don't get me wrong god loved us and did not want to send us to hell but there was such a separation from god that no one was able to cross into heaven. And even all of your good deeds going to church etc did not erase your sins. When Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose from the grave he paid the penalty for our sins and bridged the gap between God and people. So basically Jesus Christ gave us a clean slate and it is like a gift from Jesus that everyone is allowed into heaven. As long as you admit that you are a sinner, that your willing to turn away from your sins (repent), as long as you believe that Jesus Christ died for you on the cross and rose from the grave, and through prayer invite Jesus to come in and control your life through holy spirit (receive him as lord and savior).
Please not nasty comments, this is only what I believe.

No nasty comments, but there's no hell in the old testament.

Twink24
Aug 8, 2009, 02:31 PM
Judykaytee I just explained to you and EVERYONE else that this is just what I BELIEVE.
You want to contradict me go right on ahead. No I wasn't taught in a catholic church, no I never went to church, no I didn't learn all the basic things that apparently you learned about religion, I was not part of a religious family I honestly don't even know what the 'old testament' is/was. But this is what I believe and you can't take that away from me. I was Just stating what it was that I believed and even if there is no 'hell' reference in the 'old testament' I still believe in what I said along those lines. And if you think that "well maybe i shouldn't be on the religious posts then" Well I am allowed to post what I believe in and this post just struck me as interesting because I just started believing a couple months ago.

JudyKayTee
Aug 8, 2009, 02:52 PM
judykaytee I just explained to you and EVERYONE else that this is just what I BELIEVE.
You want to contradict me go right on ahead. No I wasn't taught in a catholic church, no i never went to church, no I didn't learn all the basic things that apparently you learned about religion, i was not part of a religious family I honestly don't even know what the 'old testament' is/was. But this is what i believe and you can't take that away from me. I was Just stating what it was that I believed and even if there is no 'hell' reference in the 'old testament' i still believe in what i said along those lines. And if you think that "well maybe i shouldn't be on the religious posts then" Well I am allowed to post what I believe in and this post just struck me as interesting because I just started believing a couple months ago.


Please stop PM'ing me. You are getting boring and I don't read any of them.

I didn't see anyone saying anything about the Catholic Church except, of course, for you. I don't even know how the Catholic Church became part of this discussion. At any rate, the Catholic Church is not the only Church that reads and believes the Old Testament.

You can believe whatever you like, certainly. Nobody is telling you not to. The question is your reference to stealing a cookie and being condemned to Hell prior to the birth of Jesus Christ. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask the basis of that belief. You say you just became a believer - what is it that you are studying and believing?

And, yes, you are allowed to post what you believe in - but you should also expect to be questioned when you are posting a religious belief on a Christian Board and your belief is totally unfamiliar - and, in fact, alien - to what other people who have studied the Christian faith believe.

I also notice no matter how many people disagree with you I'm the one you jump on.

arcura
Aug 8, 2009, 09:32 PM
JudyKayTee,
Yes, before Jesus there was several ways to get forgiveness of sins.
The Old Testament tells us of them.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Twink24
Aug 8, 2009, 10:27 PM
Judykaytee, it seems as though you are constantly following my posts and its getting rather irritating, which is why I jump to you first seeing as you seem to be the most 'interested' in what I have to say. The 'pm' was asking why it was you won't leave ME alone. Like I said I wasn't AT ALL taught in the christian belief I suppose I shouldn't have said christian, because what I meant was I have not been a part of ANY religion and I truly don't know which religion it really is that I am referring to when I talk about what it is I believe in, I just know it's a belief maybe not a christian one, but it is a belief. You may not agree with me, (which seems to be an ongoing thing) but you don't have to constantly study into a religion/belief to believe in it.

arcura
Aug 8, 2009, 11:03 PM
Twink24,
I'm sure that you know that in most of this world a person can believe any any religion a person wants of and that includes not believing in any or anything.
So believe as you wish, but I do urge you to do some study of Christianity. There is much there for everyone.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

JudyKayTee
Aug 9, 2009, 09:46 AM
JudyKayTee,
Yes, before Jesus there was several ways to get forgiveness of sins.
The Old Testament tells us of them.
Peace and kindness,
Fred


So the Bible DOES say that before the birth of Christ a person would be condemned to Hell for a relatively small (?) sin, such as stealing a cookie?

JudyKayTee
Aug 9, 2009, 09:48 AM
judykaytee, it seems as though you are constantly following my posts and its getting rather irritating, which is why i jump to you first seeing as you seem to be the most 'interested' in what i have to say. The 'pm' was asking why it was you wont leave ME alone. Like i said i wasnt AT ALL taught in the christian belief i suppose i shouldn't have said christian, because what I meant was i have not been a part of ANY religion and i truly don't know which religion it really is that i am referring to when I talk about what it is i believe in, i just know its a belief maybe not a christian one, but it is a belief. You may not agree with me, (which seems to be an ongoing thing) but you don't have to constantly study into a religion/belief to believe in it.


All Catholics are Christians; not all Christians are Catholics.

In the same vein, all carrots are vegetables but not all vegetables are carrots.

I think before you begin to explain the Bible and Christianity maybe you should study a little bit so you don't sound quite as foolish.

So you don't know just which religion teaches that before the birth of Christ a person would go to Hell for stealing a cookie - but then Christ provided a means of forgiveness?

I may not agree with everything posted here but I have a great deal of respect for people who can explain their beliefs and their reasoning; I have trouble with "Well, I just believe and that's how it is," particularly when you clearly don't know the difference between Christians and Catholics.

cogs
Aug 9, 2009, 03:31 PM
I can understand that something unusual, that may have happened in antiquity, seems farfetched today as a part of a belief system. I'm still searching to have experience with the holy spirit. The path to the power that produced the miracles, I believe, lies in love, humility, knowledge, purity, and compassion. Yes, I believe god is all powerful, but I don't think his power is as relevant in miracles, as in his helping us to overcome that which takes away love, humility, knowledge,purity, compassion, and many other benefits. All these coming from the discipline of learning his way.

arcura
Aug 9, 2009, 07:48 PM
JudyKayTee,
Yes in Old Testament times a person could be destined for hell for stealing anything large or small just as one can have that happen today.
The difference is what happened in the birth death and life of Jesus Christ.
There were different ways of having ones sins forgiven in OT times than now.
But even so are sins of this age are nor forgiven unless for forgive others and that we are remorseful and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus clearly tells us that a person will not be forgiven unless he/she forgives others.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Twink24
Aug 9, 2009, 10:24 PM
Judykaytee,
As I said. I WAS NOT taught about anything with religion, which is understandable because not Everyone is. And someone CAN just believe, without having to study it they can JUST believe.

arcura
Aug 9, 2009, 10:54 PM
Twink24,
I believe that is what I agreed with you about.
Everyone believes in something; probably in many things or they would not be able to accomplish much of anything.
Example, if a person did not believe in something simple like being able to eat they would starve.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

JudyKayTee
Aug 10, 2009, 06:13 AM
JudyKayTee,
Yes in Old Testament times a person could be destined for hell for stealing anything large or small just as one can have that happen today.
The difference is what happened in the birth death and life of Jesus Christ.
There were different ways of having ones sins forgiven in OT times than now.
But even so are sins of this age are nor forgiven unless for forgive others and that we are remorseful and ask for forgiveness.
Jesus clearly tells us that a person will not be forgiven unless he/she forgives others.
Peace and kindness,
Fred



Can you give me a quote from the Bible? I find nothing about Hell in the Old Testament - but my Bible studies were a long time ago!

cadillac59
Aug 10, 2009, 09:38 AM
Can you give me a quote from the Bible? I find nothing about Hell in the Old Testament - but my Bible studies were a long time ago!

You are correct. There is no hell in the Old Testament.

This is one of the favorite points made by noted atheist Christopher Hitchens, a point he's repeated in multiple debates on the subject, on TV interviews and one mentioned in his book, God is Not Great.

JudyKayTee
Aug 10, 2009, 11:46 AM
Twink24,
I believe that is what I agreed with you about.
Everyone believes in something; probably in many things or they would not be able to accomplish much of anything.
Example, if a person did not believe in something simple like being able to eat they would starve.
Peace and kindness,
Fred



Again - and I realize Twink agrees with you - but where is Hell mentioned in the Old Testament?

As far as the rest of this - doesn't answer my question. I don't see the connection between believing in something (being able to eat, based on fact) and believing in something concerning religion to be the same - but obviously that's just me.

N0help4u
Aug 10, 2009, 12:02 PM
Hell in the Old Testament was
Gehenna
Hades
Sheol

dontknownuthin
Aug 10, 2009, 08:27 PM
You are very fortunate because you've recognized you want to change your heart and life at a young age, when you can still turn things around and become the person you want to be. In my particular Christian faith, forgiveness is believed to be there for the asking but there also has to be true recognition that what was wrong was wrong, and a devoted effort to turn it around and act differently in the future. Forgiveness is central to most religions and all Christian faiths that I know of. You can ask God for forgiveness privately, but it can be very helpful to find the support of a faith community if you haven't already.

arcura
Aug 10, 2009, 09:41 PM
JudyKayTee,
You are sort of right. The word hell is not in the old Testament but the Hebrew word "sheol" is. Keep on mind that the New Testament was written in Greek. If it were written in Hebrew the word used would have been sheol or the pit which it also found in the bible.
There are a many mentions of sheol in the O.T.
Here's just one example of the deep DOWN burning place called sheol.
Deuteronomy 32: 20. "Then He said, `I will hide My face from them,
I will see what their end shall be;
For they are a perverse generation,
Sons in whom is no faithfulness.
21. `They have made Me jealous with what is not God;
They have provoked Me to anger with their idols.
So I will make them jealous with those who are not a people;
I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation,
22. For a fire is kindled in My anger,
And burns to the lowest part of Sheol,
And consumes the earth with its yield,
Peace and kindness,
Fred

JudyKayTee
Aug 11, 2009, 06:32 AM
JudyKayTee,
You are sort of right. The word hell is not in the old Testament but the Hebrew word "sheol" is. Keep on mind that the New Testament was written in Greek. If it were written in Hebrew the word used would have been sheol or the pit which it also found in the bible.
There are a many mentions of sheol in the O.T.
Here's just one example of the deep DOWN burning place called sheol.
Deuteronomy 32: 20. "Then He said, `I will hide My face from them,
I will see what their end shall be;
For they are a perverse generation,
Sons in whom is no faithfulness.
21. `They have made Me jealous with what is not God;
They have provoked Me to anger with their idols.
So I will make them jealous with those who are not a people;
I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation,
22. For a fire is kindled in My anger,
And burns to the lowest part of Sheol,
And consumes the earth with its yield,
Peace and kindness,
Fred


Thank you, Fred, for posting this.

I thought that Jews do not believe in Hell, in eternal damnation - so now I am more confused.

I am going to ask this question on the Jewish religion board and hopefully someone there will know.

dontknownuthin
Aug 11, 2009, 05:18 PM
Just an aside... I don't think it's particularly helpful when discussing something as personal as faith to press people to the wall to provide documentation to shore up their expressed personal faith beliefs. The reality is that when it comes to faith, most of us are wrong. I don't know which of us are wrong, but with all the religions in the world and the millions of people served by each, if any one of those faith communities has it right, the rest are in error. Tolerance and openness and an understanding that none of us have all the answers - certainly none of us can PROVE that we have the answers to the satisfaction of others - well, it will help us get along.

arcura
Aug 11, 2009, 09:42 PM
JudyKayTee,
In the Jewish religion you will find several variation from those who do not believe in an after live to those who do and some in between.
Like all religions there are variations in belief and faith and practice.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

JudyKayTee
Aug 12, 2009, 07:00 AM
JudyKayTee,
In the Jewish religion you will find several variation from those who do not believe in an after live to those who do and some in between.
Like all religions there are variations in belief and faith and practice.
Peace and kindness,
Fred



I do not think the Jewish religion is alone in this. At any rate, I found this thread to be very enlightening: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/judaism/hell-jewish-religion-385684.html

arcura
Aug 14, 2009, 09:28 PM
JudyKayTee,
Thanks.
Fred