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noskills2752
Jun 14, 2009, 04:30 AM
My Landlady just bought a new goodman outside unit. It worked for about a week then cut off. The Installer said it could have been anything and needs a new compressor. She has spent about as much as she did for the upstairs unit (a payne) that works fine after 12 yrs of operation. What's the deal with these new units? Are they that poorly made? I suggested she get a second opinion and that guy said she needed a new compressor, inside coil, new lines (the first guy change these before he hooked up the new unit) a super duty inline filter that would need to be serviced four or five times to make sure the "acid" was removed because the freon turned to acid when the compressor froze up. All this without testing anything. Is it that obvious that the goodman compressor did all that? She believes him because he told her he didn't want the job. Anything of this sound hinky to the board of experts?
TraceyD
Jun 14, 2009, 05:03 AM
My husband has an HVAC business. He said that Goodman units are prone to needing warranty work - meaning there's often issues during the 1st year. However, all those things can't be from a bad compressor. The unit has a warranty and surely after only a week, the installer will replace whatever is really wrong with it without charging labor. Was it the original installer that came when it stopped working? If so she definitely needs a new HVAC company. No matter who does the work, every part should be warrantied.
Joshdta
Jun 14, 2009, 05:53 AM
From my experience, Goodman units are junk! Plus if the indoor unit was not also changed it probably have the wrong coil size. This can cause all sorts of problems. So sounds like a low end product not install properly. ALWAYS a recipe for disaster.
noskills2752
Jun 14, 2009, 07:20 AM
I inspected the wiring from the house to the unit. The hookup matched the wiring schematic on the inside of the port cover T1 to L1, T2 to L2. The start capacitor and all the components look pristine as does all the internal wiring. Seems as if it does indeed have a short to case (ground) it would burn or melt some of the external wires. Maybe not? Hey I'm a daytrader with about the same knowledge of electricity as I learned in the 4th grade so I'm surely not going to get past a cursery examination. I hate to see her ripped off as she is old and supplements her SS by letting out rooms when she can.
noskills2752
Jun 14, 2009, 07:36 AM
She did how ever take all the information from the two year old inside (air handler/evaperator) unit so they could determine the size she needed for a outside replacement. I had told her when the outside unit went out I had heard of a hot start capacitor starting units after a winter of no use. She got talked into this route from friends at her church. I think she just donated about a grand of wasted dough and will have to save up about 2 grand to get it all replaced next year. Until then the ground floor of this building is barely livable with 3 fans running.
noskills2752
Jun 15, 2009, 03:04 AM
After 2 hours scanning the Internet for similar problems I have come to the conclusion that the 1 week old compressor is probably junk and possibly the whole unit. I gave my landlady the home office number but doubt she will get stonewalled by the company and the blame will go to the original Installer. I'm not sure what he did or didn't do correctly but the new suction line runs up from the outside unit without the loop in the Instuctions that have it running above the evaporator coils before it ties in. If it were plumbing it would be called a trap. Also, there is no hard start kit but I'm not sure if this unit requires one and in a video from a HVAC dealer it specified a filter and a sight glass when using a new outside a inside unit. ANY more comments? HVAC 1000?
hvac1000
Jun 16, 2009, 06:37 AM
There are only some cases where a trap is needed for oil control and the instructions that came with the unit should be followed unless the installer has made other arrangements to prevent oil problems.
In many cases especially with a scroll compressor a hard start kit is not needed. But that depends upon the type of metering device used and the amount of refrigerant lift.
A filter is always a good Idea with a replacement outside unit. Need to becareful here since some units come with a filter drier installed from the factory inside the outside unit. Two filters on the liquid line is one to many.
A sight glass is useful for moisture detection only unless the system has a expansion valve in the system. With a properly located sight glass on a expansion valve system you can get a visual indication if the liquid line feeding the coil is full of liquid refrigerant which allows for proper system operation at its rated capacity.
marygaray
Aug 3, 2010, 12:36 PM
Do you know where I can get an ac/unit 2 ton for about 200.00 dollars don't have that much money.cause I lost my job,about 2 months ago.
marygaray
Aug 3, 2010, 12:40 PM
do you know where i can get an ac/unit 2 ton for about 200.00 dollars dont have that much money.cause i lost my job,about 2 months ago.will I lot my job cause I feel down and hurt myself so they had to let me go.sad is it.thank you...