Curiosity getting the better of me, I decided to try growing an upside down tomato plant, and being frugal, I made a planter out of a five gallon bucket It isn't as fancy, but why spend $20 if you have the parts?.

It has been outside for two weeks now, and is getting stronger, but there is one thing that I noticed; The main stem/stalk/trunk of the plant has started growing up, and I am assuming that after it sets fruit and they begin to grow, the stalk will grow downwards.

Which leads me to this thought/questions:
If the stalk is growing up, even though it is facing down, are the roots growing down, even though they are facing up?? Sounds almost like a paradox.

Would this add stress to the plant?

I also decided to put it up on an old pool deck, so if it starts to really grow I'll have enough support to just drape, and tie it around the deck.

As an ongoing project I'll update on an irregular schedule, maybe every two weeks.

Subject is a "Better Boy" started 042809... KUXJ

I've got to say I'm glad someone has finally wondered about this on the forums. I've seen it on TV and I really was wondering. Mind you I've also seen tomato plants advertised on TV that grow to be 7 or 8 feet in height and supposabally (spelling?) yield twice the amount of tomatoes..

Please let me know if they end up growing down like they do on TV

mind you i've also seen tomato plants advertised on tv that grow to be 7 or 8 feet in height and supposabally (spelling?) yeild twice the ammount of tomatoes..I have also seen those ads, and the one thing I've noticed was the ground was well prepared for planting.
As with the Upside down Tomato (UDT) ads, I suspect they give the plant the same treatment. The ad men won't show scrawny fruit or plants...That's show bizzzz!

I could have done the same with my UDT, but opted for regular yard dirt, the only other amendment was a watering with miracle grow.


Please let me know if they end up growing down like they do on tvYou betcha!
To be realistic , I really think they will, you get a few of those 8 to 12oz more? fruits on there, and she's got to go down!

Let's see... the 4th of July is on a Saturday this year, so look for a post every Friday, and we'll see if there are ripe Toms by the Fourth.
That's pushin' it with 67 days, but it might happen.
And that's okay, I like green fried too... KUXJ

I spent the 20 bucks 3 years ago.:)
My first year was un-successful, but I think it wasn't in a great area. Since the weight on the whole thing was amazing I didn't know where to put it.

The second year I moved it and only put cherry tomatoes in it, which grew just fine for a while, but then... I believe didn't get enough sun because of a large Pompas (?) grass I had growing.

This year it's 3 strikes your out! I moved it again and made a make shift holder on my fence in a very sunny location with a drip system in it next to the rest of my tomatoes and it seems to be doing very well so far. Growing up. It only has about 3 feet to hit the ground, so I'm not sure what to do after it starts producing.:confused:

I attempted to put a picture, but it was too big,:( I will try again tomorrow and keep updating.:)

Looking forward to other updates.:)

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Hello again Everyone! :)

This weeks edition of UDT includes a pix of subject, some particulars, and a contest See Below .

First the particulars: ;)
Subject is a "Better Boy" started 042809
Plant has grown 2.5" since last post on 051209 for a total of 17.2"
Purchased at a local ACE Hrdw.Store Bonnie Plants Nursery
Container Homemade
Maturity 70-75days... So 4th of July will be a stretch :confused:
Large fruit size Up to 16ozs
Please disregard Date Stamp on Pix, It was only put there to confuse me.:eek:

Now for the contest: :cool:
If you look closely, you may be able to see two sets of flower stems.

I will offer the first ripe tomato to the first poster to successfully pick out any one of the two locations.
Answers have been verified by my neighbor, hermetically sealed in an old Bearnaise jar, and kept in an old milk-box by my trash cans since noon yesterday.

Please PM me with shipping address.

!!Offer void where prohibited!! :(

I SEE them and they look beautiful, I'm going to check mine right now.
I believe that my label has blow away and I can't remember what is in it. :confused:
I do know that I would not have put a beefsteak in there, so I think it is a Better Boy also. My Early Girl is in the ground.:)

I didn't plan on getting so detailed, but by my calculations...
Planted on May 2nd (bought at Lowes)

It may be a San Francisco Fog or a Better Boy. I experiment with different ones every year, but since it's in the upside down thing there was no dirt to bury the tag.
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Second pic I have flowers! We are going to be in the 101-105' this weekend, so I will have to keep watch.:eek:

The flowers are in the middle (kind of) if you can't see them) they are yellow! Ha ha

WEEEEEEE HAVE A WINNNNNER!!

As Grand Prize winner your Tomato will be flown All Expenses Paid to your location Via Rickenbacker Refrigerated Air Freight ~~~~~"Need Freight by Eight? Fly Rickenbacker!"



It may be a San Francisco Fog or a Better Boy. I experiment with different ones every yearJust to be clear... You have a tomato in your area called the S.F. Fog?


Second pic I have flowers!! We are going to be in the 101-105' this weekend, so I will have to keep watch.:eek:I had to double check the NWS, couldn't believe your area will be that!! HHHOTTT!! This weekend, that's what we need here for our tomatoes in Cen. Pa. Lat N40' 21''.
So far since Easter there's been 10days in 80's... 2days in 90's, mostly 60-70's Lows 40's



The flowers are in the middle (kind of) if you can't see them) they are yellow! ha haI saw them right away! Very Nice! I'm envious, wish we had your climate.

Your so funny:p
I will take a picture of my S.F. FOG tag when it gets light out again, but I have 16 people coming for dinner tomorrow, so it might be Sunday morning when it's 105!:eek:

Thanks for the pics!:)

I don't think it's the FOG. I have to wait a couple more weeks before I can figure out what it is. They all look the same.

No info on the label, all it says is 'PRIZE WINNER' San Francisco fog. I think it might be smaller toms, not like cherry but also not like Beef Steak. All the leaves look a like, so the second contestant will be the 'Mystery Tomato' I Love Tomatoes! :D

No info on the label, all it says is 'PRIZE WINNER' San Francisco fog. I think it might be smaller toms, not like cherry but also not like Beef Steak. All the leaves look a like, so the second contestant will be the 'Mystery Tomato' I Love Tomatoes!!:DFrom what I've been able to find so far, they are "tennis ball" size. 2 maybe 3ozs.

While you are waiting out your "Mystery Tomato" check these links...

GRIN Accessions for Taxon (http://foxyurl.com/3kY) Images of Solanum lycopersicum L.

How to identify tomatoes - Google Search (http://foxyurl.com/3kV) How to identify tomatoes

File:Tomatotree.JPG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://foxyurl.com/3lq) World's largest tomato plant/tree

Did some planting today, had to cover everything... Calling for 34° tonight :eek:

Good, tennis ball is good!:)
I have 2 Super Steak
2 Early Girl
2 Mama Mia
2 Big Beef
1 San Fransico Fog
1 Mystery
I went on the sites you suggested and then studied the leaves and nothing clicked:(
I did happen to notice that the hanging one is not as large as the others due to lack of fertilizer (I think) the other have tom spikes for them. I have a batch of chicken compost tea that I watered it with, maybe that will help. If not I will go with the Miracle grow. I think once the leaves get a little greener and bigger I might be able to identify it.

Well at 4:50am edt, it hit 36° here. As I write (4:44pm edt), its 74° > 45° tonight.

With just the Dear Wife and me, we don't require many plants, I find it helpful to have toms, peppers, onions, parsley, and zucchini/squash available over winter, I love cooking!

The smaller containers they sell for the UDTs was a concern of mine, as far as water and nutrient demands go. I can see money out the window every time there's a drip from one of the drain holes.
For now, I'm sticking with every two weeks for "tea"

Wait till you see my Friday pix, "better boy" really pushed and its getting a lot darker.

Best shot I have for S.F. Fog

I'm looking forward to them and the others.

It's just me and my husband here also, but I can 'can' tomatoes and or freeze for sauces. I always plant extra, in case some don't produce much.

I'm originally from Chicago area, and all you had to do was put a plant in the ground anywhere. It's different here. Once a few years back I had so many toms I was giving them to all the neighbors, but now with the weather change I only get enough for us to enjoy.

I try something different ever year.:)

I don't have a lot of room, so the only other thing I have planted are some bush beans and pole beans, and of course Basil and Dill. Oregano, Thyme and Marjoram grow all year round here.

News Update from the 'ol Oaken bucket. Or should I say plastic?:

Measured “Better Boy” (BB) Friday 22nd, and came up with 21”, a gain of 4” since Friday last.
Measured again after the storm, Sun. 24th, and had 26”.
The blossoms are an inch long now, and there seems to be a “BB” sized object enveloped in their petals.

My, My, You can almost hear it grow... :cool:

The weather in this neck of the woods has finally, I think started to turn to the better for gardening, instead of a Winter/Spring climate, we are over the hump, and heading towards a Spring/Summer environment.

This weeks day temps staid pretty steady in the mid 80's with night's 'round lower 60's, no rain though till this evening 24th when a small storm went though 'bout 7:30pm edt , sporadic brilliant lighting, with sharp crackly thunder The kind that sends chills down your back, dropped a half inch of rain in 10 minutes, not much wind though.

Memorial Day's calling for upper 70's... Rest of the week to be mid to upper 70's, lows to lower 60's... Chance of rain/scattered showers/T-storms 60%

BB is getting his minimum of 6 hours of sun, and I've been thinking/figuring, a way of making an automatic drip watering system to help with the water requirements.

After reading 'bout blossom end rot on zucchini, being a calcium deficiency, I placed some crushed egg shells from one of my breakfast's on the top of the dirt in the bucket... figured it couldn't hurt, eh?

Did have a slight scare though this evening. When I went to check on BB after the storm... Instead of growing upright near the bottom rim of the bucket, he was hanging down, and at first I thought the stem had broken during the downpour, but after giving him the once-over, the stem and blossoms look okay... Just received a Heavenly nudge is all.;)

See Ya 'round the compost pile!
KUXJ

Mine doesn't seem to be growing as fast as my other plants, so I might start watering daily by hand with some Miracle grow or I might shove a tom spike in the top of it. I think all my nutrients are dripping out the bottom. It is turning greener though and I do have additional flowers. I'll take a picture in about a week, it doesn't look that different right now.:(

Edit. We had great cool weather over the weekend 70-80's, but today back to 100' and mid 90's for the rest of the week. I'll have to keep a close eye on all of them.

News from the Bucket:

I hope this cloudy/rainy weather is almost over, because it sure has slowed Better Boys (BB) growth... Its also exposed a health concern, see pix.

I'm not sure which type of spot it might even be a canker BB has contracted, it's either Bacterial or Septoria Leaf Spot. I used this link Key for Identifying Vegetable Diseases (http://foxyurl.com/4on) to try and narrow it down.

The link has two areas; one covers pickles to squash, the other tomatoes. Click on which variety your concerned about, then after that its self-explanatory. To view a larger pix, click on the link in the Disease column.

If anyone wants to help ID my problem I'd appreciate it. I'm leaning towards Bacterial Canker. With any of these it means the dirt I used was already infected. The only ways I know of, to control that, would be to either buy sterilized dirt or make your own by cooking it in the oven.

Ahhh... The Sun has finally come out. After last weeks forecast, I thought we'd see the Sun more than what we have. This'll be the first direct Sun BB has seen for the last four days, and it shows in the tape measurement I made today. Only two inches in vertical growth Now 28”, but four in horizontal, It was more vertical after the storm on the 24th, but as you can see it's starting to go sky-ward again. See pix. BTW I corrected the date stamp.

Today marks 31days for this un-scientific experiment, and even with the leaf problem, the flowers look okay, and there are two more fruit stems. Hopefully I'll start seeing actual fruit in 10? More days.

With last night's storm, and this afternoon's we've received 2.8", total for week > 3.7" Officially for week > 0.54"

See Ya 'round the compost pile!
KUXJ

It's really hard to tell! Has it changed much in the last week? Is it wilting more?:(

Hi Just Dahlia! :)

If by change, you mean more diseased leaves, no, and I don't notice any wilt elsewhere on BB. At least not yet!

What I do notice though, is a preponderance of red mites, and very small 2 to 3 mm hard exoskeleton insects a primer gray color with dark spots, kind of remind me of potato weevils, but if I remember correctly they have stripes.
No matter though, they all have sucking mouth parts. :eek:

I still feel it's related to all the rain we've been getting, once it slows down to once or twice a week instead of four or five days of drizzle/rain/downpour/drizzle/downpour/rain/rain... Well you get the idea... The health/growth will improve, and the insects will decrease.

News from the Bucket:

I'll bet you'll never guess what its doing outside... awww... You guessed, yep its raining. :(
I guess I shouldn't complain, you don't have to shovel rain.
Rain for the week; Here 3.17 ~~~ NWS 1.96

Last Saturday to Tuesday night; Partly Sunny to Partly Cloudy.
Wicked Thunderstorms Wednesday morning 01:25am edt, lasted to 02:10am edt
Then Overcast to today. Light rain started this morning 00:20am edt, so far 1.13 ~~~ NWS 0.62.

It did dry up enough that I was able to cut grass on Thursday, knew 'bout the rain coming, and I wanted to get that elephant and his eye out'a the front lawn. The tires were running damp to wet, but the deck didn't clog too bad.
Well, enough of that.

Been a quiet week at the bucket. Haven't seen any more of the leaf spot/canker, and the rest of BB looks healthy, he grew another 1” (29”), and on one set of fruit stalk the flowers are wilting to brown, I'm hoping to see fruit soon.

Oh... I saw one of those UDT TV ads for “Topsy turvy” today, I'm still wondering why the guy has his hand “in” the plant Like he's holding something, when he picks, and hands the girl a tomato. :confused:

See Ya 'round the compost pile!
KUXJ

It's raining/thunderstormy here also. I have 1 baby tomato so far, but the plant doesn't look as good as the rest.

As soon as my guests leave I will pass along a picture of the baby SFF and the one I believe is growing better in a pot.

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If I did this right, the first 2 pics are of UDT SFF (or mystery Tom)
the second 2 are of the one in the pot (thinking it is the same plant)

The tom in the pot is 3 times the size of the one in UDT, but the plant is also 3X the size.

I'm getting some yellow leaves at the bottom of the SFF and on one of my 'Big Beef' any suggestions? :confused:

EDIT.. so I messed up and this is the second plant (in pot) I'll try again

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Well... there it is! :D

I'm thinking at this point that UDT thingy will be hitting the recycle bin at the end of the season, but I will still continue to nurture, just in case.

I'm getting some yellow leaves at the bottom of the SFF and on one of my 'Big Beef' any suggestions? :confused:Hi! Just Dahlia,
There are different types of yellowing including old age, but what I see in the one with the support cage looks like a nitrogen deficiency-95% sure... maybe sulfur-5%.
There isn't enough upper leave growth to cause enough shade to the lower ones to be "death by old age".

The UDT might be in the same predicament, and I'm also concerned 'bout the plant to the right that has the leaf curl. That could be a copper deficiency 97%... maybe Boron 3%; although some plants have the characteristic that makes them curl.

When's the last time you used fertilizer? Your weather has been much warmer/hotter lately, and that can add a lot of stress to plants.
I wouldn't go to strong. Depending on how many plants you have make up a gallon or two of miracle grow or something similar, and dole it out to all your plants,
I say miracle grow because I know it has all of those trace elements in it.

Use this link, Plant Physiology Online: Symptoms of Deficiency In Essential Minerals (http://foxyurl.com/5ma), for identification.
It's a little technical in the beginning, but gets easier 'bout a third of the way down.

And don't forget those breakfast eggshells, just crush 'em up in your hand, and lay 'em on top ;)

I read and I read and I read, I think I understood most.:confused:

I agree with your conclusions and just fertilized with Miracle Grow for Toms (just happened to have some) it is old though, do you think it's still good?

Either way I will watch them more closely. I think I will have to fertilize the UDT every 2 weeks, because everything goes out the bottom.

I did put spikes in all the plants when I planted, but I have them on a drip system, so maybe the spikes aren't getting wet.

Thanks for the advice, well see what happens next.

I'm really surprised others haven't popped in with advice or pictures. I guess we are the only tomato lovers.

Now, Now... Don't be discouraged. There are times when I read an article on one of my other interest's, say... Cosmology, I may go over a sentence, paragraph or chapter several times in order to fully understand it.
Have you ever heard of the “Grandfather Paradox”?

Religion is another interest, I've just started to read “The People of the Creed” by Anthony E. Giles. It is a story behind the early Church from 95 A.D. To 600A.D.

Okay!

According to the Scott's site, MG will last indefinitely, but I suspect that if you found some after 10 years it could go either way. Some elements/compounds get stronger with age, some weaker.
A word of advice. MG is slightly acidic so using it on toms, and other acid loving vegetable plants is okay, but not most houseplants. If you really need acid get Miracid.

What type of bottom does your UDT bag have? Porous fabric? Plastic with holes? Can you save it with a drip pan?

Or maybe your spikes weren't getting wet enough, and the solution was evaporating before it was doing any good. That would lead me to believe that you may still have food for the plant in the container, but it just hasn't propagated to the rest of it.

So am I, there was binx44 in the beginning, but so far its been just you, and me. I do notice the views jump by 5 or 10 almost every day, so the interest is there. I want to be careful on how many attachments (pix) I download, so I don't go over the limit.I'll have to check the rules on that

BTW... Just since last Friday, BB has grown 5" vertical (34"), and 4" horizontal, but still no fruit :( Its amazing what a few days of Sun can do! :)

See Ya 'round the compost pile!
KUXJ

I don't think there is any overall limit to pictures. I've been on other threads with 1000's of pictures. "Pics of our members, pets, artwork, etc.
I believe you can only put 4 per post though.

I think my one plant and another are not getting better, the ones with the leaf curl. I am going to Southern Ill. This weekend for a family reunion, so I can't watch them. Do you think I should move them away from the healthier ones?

All have toms though. :)

I don't think there is any overall limit to pictures. I've been on other threads with 1000's of pictures. "Pics of our members, pets, artwork, etc.
I believe you can only put 4 per post though.
You might be right, all I saw in FAQ was "It depends"


I think my one plant and another are not getting better, the ones with the leaf curl. I am going to Southern Ill. this weekend for a family reunion, so I can't watch them. Do you think I should move them away from the healthier ones?

All have toms though. :)

Three main reasons for leaf curl...
*environmental stress... We know they've been under stress, The hot weather.
*herbicide damage... We know You try to be as organic as possible What'a 'bout your neighbors herbicide use
-for lawn care?
*viral infection... We don't know if you've checked for virus's or fungi, or bugs.

For tomato mosaic virus, symptoms of this virus include Curl, mottled leaves and smaller than normal leaflets.

Tomato yellow leaf curl virus is transmitted by sap-sucking insects :eek: and causes leaf roll symptoms in infected tomato plants. Purplish veins on the leaf underside will help to distinguish this virus from environmental leaf roll and herbicide injury. Once it gets this though, the plant is usually a goner. :(

If you don't see bugs like aphids or otherwise damaged leaves, they should be okay.
For the environment check the weather forcast's.
One thing that is impossible to control is herbicide drift from your neighbors.

:) When in doubt, move 'em out! :)

News from the Bucket, June 13th, 2009:

Rain is again the top story here at the bucket, although not as persistent as it had been in past weeks.

Taken from NWS Local Forcast:
PARTLY SUNNY ACROSS THE REGION WITH ISOLATED SHOWERS...INCREASING IN AREAL COVERAGE DURING THE MID TO LATE AFTERNOON HOURS WITH SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS DEVELOPING. SOME OF THE THUNDERSTORMS COULD BECOME STRONG...PRODUCING SMALL HAIL...BRIEF GUSTY WINDS AND FREQUENT LIGHTNING. TEMPERATURES IN THE MID TO UPPER 70S AT 1215 PM WILL WARM INTO THE UPPER 70S TO LOWER 80S AT 3 PM.

Its 80.3°F at 1:1:28pm edt
Rain this week ending 061209; 2.13 ~~~ NWS 1.85

BB's doing well, considering the lack of direct sunlight. He's 38” vertical, and 34 horizontal, sent along three pix, two of them are back when, and now shots for comparison. The main stem is the longest, and I started to train the one on the right to go to the right, there is one on the left, but it's smaller, and towards the back.

He's getting a lot of fruit stems, but Still no fruit! :( . The first stem to get flowers has its blossoms 'bout ready to fall off, and I don't want to resort to strong chemicals. Except for the yard dirt and an initial dose of MG, I've left it on its own. Anyone's welcome to chime in, if I come up with something I'll let you know.

Wait... back when I first hung it the temps where mid 50's or above, then we had that cold spell where it got down in the 30's hmmm, I wonder..

Well I got to get goin' chores you know... I have a new project this week, replacing an old basement window an puttin' in glass block, with a covered well on the outside.

See Ya 'round the compost pile!
KUXJ

:D!. :D!. NEWS FLASH!. :D..! NEWS FLASH!. :D!. :D

To all the gardening gurus across the world BB is a father or mother or hybrid, well, I'm not going to get into semantics :eek:

Was out in the yard today looking him over, when I spied the new arrivals hiding in the back. I kept looking at the first fruit stem, and here they snuck up on me! Their at least penny, close to nickel size.

They could have been there for a week, who knows? I still don't think I'll have toms by the 4th. I'm thinking more like the end of July, even the peepers (frogs) are running late this year.

See Ya 'round the compost pile!
KUXJ

WOW, BB looks great and big!

I just got back from Southern Illinois and haven't had time to check on mine yet, BUT I was walking the blocks down there and a couple people had UDTP and they were teeny tiny, so I felt better about mine.

Now have seen yours and the feeling has changed :(
Maybe I'll be surprised when I get home this afternoon.

The pics looked great!:)

Sounds like things are going awesome guys.. except for the few problems along the way. I know I haven't said much in this thread but that's because I don't know tomato talk HAHA :) but I am loving reading on how yours are going and the things that effect/affect (not sure exactally the right word) the plants and the reasons

Yours seem to be doing decent dahlia... sometimes nature is just hateful and causes problems when it wants to lol.. you've got some small ones growingh on your plant don't you... there also could be quite the geographic difference between you and them and a temp difference etc so that could be why yours are not growing nor acting the same?

Well KUXJ is from Cen. Pa and I'm from Sacramento, so there is a big difference in weather, but wither way he knows what he's doing.:)

I'm originally from Chicago, where you could practically throw some seeds on the ground and get great tomatoes. I never boned up on it.

It's been ten days, so I think I'll post another pic, I still only have one tomato and it's small. I'm not discouraged, because I have 9 other plants.:D

I measured and UDT is only 26" and sticking straight out. Only one shoot, just one, nothing coming off the sides yet and when it starts going down (if it doesn't die first) it will be dragging on the ground.:( I don't have anything higher with sun to hang it from.
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The second picture is of a plant 3 doors down from UDT, it has tomatoes, but something is happening with it. I'm going to MG it again with all the others since it has been 10 days.

I just got in from yard work... STOP

Happy you had nice trip... STOP :)

Watch the MG on that 2nd plant... STOP :eek:

It could be variety that has curled leaves... STOP ;)

Do you know what variety?. STOP :confused:

I've a lot more to say... STOP :rolleyes:

Will get back in 2hrs after clean-up and supper... STOP :D

I've got everything labeled except for the UDT, so I'll check when I get home and report. I have 2 of each, so I'll be able to see if both have the leaf curl.:confused:

I've got the Topsy Turvy and the five gallon bucket ones, and they both are doing great! I've got mine hung up high, probably 8 feet up, to get them away from the deer on our property. The rest of our garden is inside of a 9 foot high electric fence. (The deer eat our azaleas in our front flower bed). I'm wondering how far down they grow too, but am pleased so far. I couldn't find the T-T ones quick enough, so I made them out of the buckets. I cut the hole like yours too, but I cut two holes on each bucket and am growing two plants in each one.Good luck and happy gardening!

I've got everything labeled except for the UDT, so I'll check when I get home and report. I have 2 of each, so I'll be able to see if both have the leaf curl.:confused:It is not very well known, but the first acknowledged instance of a curly leaf tomato occurred in 1977. It has only been found in the determinate variety.
The dwarf curly leaf tomato mutant -- Journal of Heredity (http://foxyurl.com/6pN)

PDF photo of plant at bottom, it's a little hard to see:
Notes: Additional studies with tomato mutant, curl -- Journal of Heredity (http://foxyurl.com/6pO)


Well... Sunday at 1:45am edt, is the big day, Summer solstice.

Dates/Times to 2050 can be found here:
NWS Indianapolis, IN (http://foxyurl.com/6ps)

A discussion on why this happens, here:
Earth's Seasons (http://foxyurl.com/6py)

Which can be found here:
Naval Oceanography Portal (http://foxyurl.com/6pz)


:) but i am loving reading on how yours are going and the things that effect/affect (not sure exactally the right word) the plants and the reasons whyFar be it from me to be a grammar notzi :rolleyes:, but I thought you would enjoy this... P.S... Check your rep.

How Does the Effect Affect You?
Grammar Girl :: Effect Versus Affect (http://foxyurl.com/6pY)

It's waay late, but I needed to organize the project. See Attacment.

I hope you don't mind me shortening your monikers to JD, and b44, You can call me anything, just not late for supper! :eek:

Thank You Both Ladies, You have made my day!

See Ya 'round the compost pile!
KUXJ


P.P.S... I see we have a new correspondent. Welcome aboard jmjoseph or jj as the case may be. :)

P.P.P.S... Just Dahlia, I wanted to add to your rep also... But... I have to spread mine around first. :(

I've got the Topsy Turvy and the five gallon bucket ones, and they both are doing great! I've got mine hung up high, probably 8 feet up, to get them away from the deer on our property. The rest of our garden is inside of a 9 foot high electric fence. (The deer eat our azaleas in our front flower bed).9' that is a large tract. :cool:

I'm wondering how far down they grow too, I've had toms go 16' :eek: (Gotta love that barn yard dirt I got from a local farmer)


but am pleased so far. I couldn't find the T-T ones quick enough, so I made them out of the buckets. I cut the hole like yours too, but I cut two holes on each bucket and am growing two plants in each one.Good luck and happy gardening!Yes! Thank You, and the same for you. May your plow never touch a rock.

See Ya 'round the compost pile!
KUXJ

I don't know what the big deal is about these 'upside down' tomatoe plants and as a gardener could care less about them. They sell them at our nurseries dirt cheap already in a plastic bag, with the tomatoe plants already started and growing. I don't buy them.

I had a farm for many years so know what is is like to plant MANY tomatoe plants of different varieties.

They are basically used by patio gardeners with no space to grow the in ground tomatoe plants.

One cannot get the good beefy beefsteak out of a tomatoe plant like this; so what's the point ?

Tick I M O

Can I be sent to Hawaii since I am the roving Botanist?:cool:
I promise to search every where!:D

Can I be sent to Hawaii since I am the roving Botanist?:cool:
I promise to search every where!:D

No, you can't go to Hawaii because you haven't passed GO yet, you have to go back to the boardwalk !

Hey, you and I posted simultaeosly, day ! How the heck are you anyway!

The tick

Can I be sent to Hawaii since I am the roving Botanist?:cool:
I promise to search every where!:D
Sure, you remember Rickenbacker Refrigerated Air Freight ~~~~~"Need Freight by Eight? Their headed that way, and they have an opening next Friday night.
Ahh... Do you know how to use a parachute?

Hey tick! we're passing the hat for Just Dahlia, you have any spare change?


See Ya 'round the compost pile!
KUXJ

No, you can't go to Hawaii because you havent passed GO yet, you have to go back to the boardwalk !

Hey, you and i posted simultaeosly, day ! How the heck are you anyway !!

the tick

That is just not right in sooo many ways! I've seen the boardwalk, want to go to Hawaii.

I'm doing good, been busy at home and too many complicated questions for my pea brain too answer correctly, even though I throw my 2 cents in occasionally.:D

Everybody has their own opinion about these. They can be used anywhere regardless of how much room you have, and ANY variety can be grown, even cucumbers. One huge draw is that you don't have to stake them. They do grow quicker too. I've got these and the basket style too. Oh well, good luck to all. Don't forget about the fried green tomato!

I've seen Petunias and all sorts of stuff grown in bags, but that was in Oregon. The had many holes all over (even on the sides) and was beautiful.:)

I had a lot of fun measuring these plants, I really need to get a life:eek:
This is all from right to left. (think Hebrew)

33" x 1' Super Steak in ground all alone by the beans. No toms yet
32" x 1'1" Early Girl w/toms. some leaf curl (slight)
37 x 2'3" Early Girl w/toms
32 x 2' Mamma Mia w/toms
25' x 1 1/2' Mama Mia w/toms (in a pot) the one with the crazy leaf curl!
27" x 10" UDT w/toms
4' x 2' Big Beef w/toms (little curly) maybe dry:confused:
Then a dwarf Tangerine tree
3 1/2' x 2' Big Beef w/toms (has a little shade) behind a bunch of flowers
4' x 2' Super Steak w/toms (has a little shade) behind a bunch of flowers
4' x 2' San Francisco Fog w/toms in pot) think U-Turn and then almost in front of the UDT.

So... that's my line up:cool: I plan to make Salsa and eat raw. I bought a Monster Pressure Cooker on EBAY for half the price at the stores and am reading ALL the instructions, so nothing blows up.

I just love Tomatoes!:D Can't wait to see what happens.

Sorry, that was long!:rolleyes:

Lol I was reading your project outline and I noticed.. I don't know how I missed this last time that you don't know how old we are lol... I'm 22 :D
I didn't know there was a genetic mutation with tomato plants causing the weird leaf curl. I assumed maybe that with the big location difference maybe it was humidity or some insect that you KU didn't have at your location.

Out of all the plants do you think the hybreds are doing better gowing upside down, the other breeds/types or do you think they are all growing in equal quality (though I guess that might play a lot on variety)

I had a lot of fun measuring these plants, I really need to get a life:eek:
This is all from right to left. (think Hebrew)Nothing to be embarrassed about, You already have one and that's sharing this beautiful planet with those around you. It shows in your first few words; “I had a lot of fun”.
Strange you should say right to left, To this day I usually read magazines from back to front


33" x 1' Super Steak in ground all alone by the beans. No toms yet
32" x 1'1" Early Girl w/toms. some leaf curl (slight)
37 x 2'3" Early Girl w/toms
32 x 2' Mamma Mia w/toms
25' x 1 1/2' Mama Mia w/toms (in a pot) the one with the crazy leaf curl!
27" x 10" UDT w/toms
4' x 2' Big Beef w/toms (little curly) maybe dry:confused:
Then a dwarf Tangerine tree
3 1/2' x 2' Big Beef w/toms (has a little shade) behind a bunch of flowers
4' x 2' Super Steak w/toms (has a little shade) behind a bunch of flowers
4' x 2' San Francisco Fog w/toms in pot) think U-Turn and then almost in front of the UDT.That's quite a list! I mentioned the curl on pg.4 Because of the unusual edge pattern. If you save seeds, it would be interesting to see if you could recreate that trait in next years crop. I offer this link for saving/storage.
Saving Tomato Seeds - Seed Saving for Next Year's Tomato Crop (http://foxyurl.com/6AQ)


So... that's my line up:cool: I plan to make Salsa and eat raw. I bought a Monster Pressure Cooker on EBAY for half the price at the stores and am reading ALL the instructions, so nothing blows up.If it's a newer one they are pretty much fool-proof. When I borrow my Mom's I have to watch, sometimes the regulator will pop off. Its older than me. 58 this Aug.


I just love Tomatoes!:D Can't wait to see what happens.

Sorry, that was long!:rolleyes:Me too... Only as long as it needed to be.


For binx44:


lol i was reading your project outline and i noticed.. i dont know how i missed this last time that you dont know how old we are lol... I'm 22 :DAww... Ya took all the mystery out. I didn't know what type of reaction I would get when I put that in there, besides, its not polite for a Gentleman to inquire of a Ladies age.

I didnt know there was a genetic mutation with tomato plants causing the weird leaf curl. I assumed maybe that with the big location difference maybe it was humidity or some insect that you KU didnt have at your location.That's what I thought.. ”weird leaf curl” it really didn't look like a environment/pest/disease characteristic. I can't think of it now, but it reminded me of a type of pasta, JD can call it “Pasta Tom”. I hope she tries the seed for next year.


Out of all the plants do you think the hybreds are doing better gowing upside down, the other breeds/types or do you think they are all growing in equal quality (though i guess that might play alot on variety)
Good question! At this point I would say equal.

Just Dahlia reported worse in comparison to hers... Standard UDT package.
jmjoseph reported the same or better in comparison to mine... 5gal bucket.

That's why I said earlier 'bout my theory; The larger container is giving better results.

The TV ads might be right, the other day we were in the blue big box, and I saw a 3gal. Container with a tom plant in it that already had tennis ball size fruit. Normal orientation
They may be able to do it, but only under GreenHouse conditions.

p.s... ”News from the Bucket” will be late tomorrow. I need to point my energies in a different direction.

See Ya 'round the compost pile!
KUXJ

I'll be 50 on Christmas Day!:eek::eek::eek:
Actually I have no problem and am loving it:D

I am giving more water to the leaf curl ones, lets see what happens;)

Let me be the first!. Nifty, Nifty, look who's...

That's the spirit!. K

LOL 49 but 29 at heart I bet Dahlia :D
K it might not be polite for a gentleman to ask a ladies age but its quite all right for a lady to just spit it out :D lol
I hope she does try the same plant strain next year it would be neat to see if its genetic... It does seem like the bigger "bucket: is yielding better results and I do think that on TV they used a greenhouse personally have a good one everyone. I'm off for the weekend to meet my great aunt tomorrow, take the dog for his checkup anf run errands and I have a bbq on Sunday so I might not be around.. looking forward to more news Monday though if I don't get on sooner

KU I read about saving the seeds and the pictures were so clear I swear I started smelling tomatoes:p

It all seems pretty easy, so as long as I remember and I get some good tomatoes I will try it. I have a small greenhouse I can start them in next year. Labeling 'Pasta Tom'

Have a nice weekend Binx:)

June 19, 2009
News from the Bucket...


BB's new progeny are doing well have 'bout doubled in size to 1¼” in a weeks time, and there is one more starting to push on the same stem.
I've 'bout given up on the original fruit stem, it still looks healthy, but no fruit.

I'd have to check the growth record for last week I believe it was 38”vertical, but vertical this week is 46”, and horizontal is 34”. I have 17” to go before BB starts scraping the ground at which point I'll start draping him around the deck.
With this being the pilot season, and no previous information to go on I do not know if 8” of growth in seven days can be normal or not.

The only change this week was the weather, not as much rain, and a tad more Sun.
For once this season both reporting stations are in close agreement:
BBX... 1.00” NWS 0.98”.
Tonight into Sunday afternoon there is a system coming in from the Mid-West that could double that. Then seasonal the rest of the week. H81° L61°

Taken from the NWS:
Saturday: Showers and possibly a thunderstorm. Some of the storms could produce heavy rain and frequent lightning. High near 81. Light wind becoming west between 13 and 16 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New rainfall amounts between 1 and 2 inches possible.

Hope it doesn't ruin Father's Day for any of you.


This week had a nice surprise, we had two new well, new to this thread Botanist's share their insight with us; jmjoseph, and tick.

jmjoseph, from that Great State of Georgia who's running his own version of the Ponderosa there. His garden is 'bout half the size of my property 70'x300'. And...

Tick, from that Great Country of Canada, from what I've been able to gather she has worked in Landscaping.
I have to agree to a degree with ticks statement 'bout UDT's and all the fuss. That's what got me started the fuss. I do believe it can be a viable propagation method in some situations.

Welcome aboard jmjoseph, and Ms tick! Stop by anytime.

And, how can I ever forget the “better half” of the team. Just Dahlia, and binx44 and their insight.

JD... Change in plans.
Eddie, the pilot from Rickenbacker Air Freight told me they Will be landing in Honolulu, you'll still have to wear the 'chute.

b44... Hope your trip was okay, we're planning a bbq Sunday too. Good question last time, really made me think.

See Ya round the compost pile

K

Edited:
06-20-09 07:30am edt, Correcting a Social Blunder

Have a great Fathers Day!:D

Comments on this post:
Just Dahlia agrees: I'm pretty sure Tick is a woman

:eek: Well then if that's true, a faux pas on my part! :o
I fell into my own trap. I feel every time someone assumes, (i.e. me), They don't make an A** out of you, just the me part.
If tick gets this in time, and I can still edit, I'll change the pronouns to ♀

Sooo...
In the interest of International Harmony and Good Will. :)

To Tick:
I humbly offer my deepest apologies.

And my Kindest Regards... KUXJ

Hi guys. No offence taken. How would anyone know from my moniker what sex I am. However, I do sign from time to time as mizz tickle. Nowadays I guess using 'mizz' doesn't appear to be gender based.

Yes, I am a woman, all 5 ft. 2 in. of me. I am a Personal Support Worker and a Registered Nurses Aid and I work for the Canadian Red Cross. However, have worked in landscaping for a time, and also had my own catering company too.

Many hats make light work, sort of.

Have a great Fathers Day!

Mizz tick

hi guys. No offence taken. How would anyone know from my moniker what sex I am. However, I do sign from time to time as mizz tickle. Nowadays I guess using 'mizz' doesnt appear to be gender based.Thank You.
I did catch one of your posts where you signed off as Ms tick, but it still stuck as a husband/wife thing. “There I went assuming again” :rolleyes:
I remember when it was started, it was used to blur the distinction between a married and single woman.


Yes, I am a woman, all 5 ft. 2 in. of me. I am a Personal Support Worker and a Registered Nurses Aid and I work for the Canadian Red Cross. However, have worked in landscaping for a time, and also had my own catering company too.Being one of the Lord's angels bestows Great honor. My hat is off to you! :)

p.s. I made the corrections

"Best Regards"

KUXJ... aka... Steve



"Let us be grateful to people who make us happy, they are the charming gardeners who make our souls blossom."
- Marcel Proust

My next door neighbor bought two of those upside down planters. One kept falling off the hook in the yard due to the squirrels jumping on it. She replaced that planter with the other one on the porch after that incident. So far her tomato plants are not getting very large. Glad I didn't try that route this year.

Hi! twinkiedooter, Welcome aboard :)

We have the ubiquitous Eastern Gray Squirrel (Sciurus carolinensis) Eastern Gray Squirrel - Wikipedia (http://foxyurl.com/6NY), and so far they are not using the pool deck as one of their routes.

My concern is the weight of the whole assembly hanging only by the handle. I've been in a few "bucket brigades" where the handle mount broke and the contents went flying.

See Ya round the compost pile

K

The trend in tomatoes around here is I think called 'heritage tomatoes'. They are seeds that have been found on archeological sites around the Humber river in Toronto, anywhere pioneers settled and grew corn, root vegetables and squash tomatoes, etc.

Over the last few years they have developed new plants from these seeds and are sold at veg stands, expensive but interesting.

Tick

One question.. :D Is anyone growing both UDT and RST (regular standing tomato) at the same time in the same growth peroid and started them both at the same time? If so I think it would be intresting to see if maybe the growth cycle differs in any way at all (ie.. One growing quicker/slower then the other, tomato growth size difference{within the same species})

The meeting with my Aunt went awesome... Hubby came with me and turns out her and I have more in common with each other then with the rest of the family lol. Had plenty of rain so far this weekend and going to get more rain this week so I think I won't be able to get any gardening done.

Haha another question has just popped into my head that I would like to know.. what's the average growth peroid for tomato plants and what are the best months to grow them.or can they be started anytime in the spring and summer (with thought to as when cold weather would set in)

Happy fathers day all (even though it is tomorrow) and welcome to all the new comers :D

[quote=binx44;1809186]One question.. :D Is anyone growing both UDT and RST (regular standing tomato) at the same time in the same growth peroid and started them both at the same time? If so I think it would be intresting to see if maybe the growth cycle differs in any way at all (ie.. One growing quicker/slower then the other, tomato growth size difference{within the same species})

ME:D ME:D ME:D
I started all mine at the same time and have 2 of each variety 10 total(see previous posts) they are all growing at their own rate, but I seem to have a curious leaf curl on one 'Mama mia' and one 'Early girl.:eek:

The SFF UDT is growing slower than the SFF Standard pot, But some others are also slower than their sisters/brothers and the rest are in the ground.

At this point, I just hope that I will get some tomatoes, so I don't have to buy them at the market. It seems slow going, but I have never watched them this close before.:)

KUXJ
How come when I quote someone, it doesn't turn up blue like yours?
What am I doing wrong? :confused:

KUXJ
how come when I quote someone, it doesn't turn up blue like yours?
What am I doing wrong? :confused: Do you mean like this? Bare with me, I think I can show it.

When you want to quote someone you click on the quote user button. This shows up




It will look like this...

[QUOTE=binx44;1809186]One question.. :D Is anyone growing both UDT and RST (regular standing tomato) at the same time in the same growth peroid and started them both at the same time? if so i think it would be intresting to see if maybe the growth cycle differs in any way at all (ie.. One growing quicker/slower then the other, tomato growth size difference{within the same species})

Do you mean like this? Bare with me, I think I can show it.

Like this?

:cool: By Jove, I think she's got it! :cool:

Jd, you beat me to it!.

One question.. :D Is anyone growing both UDT and RST (regular standing tomato) at the same time in the same growth peroid and started them both at the same time? if so i think it would be intresting to see if maybe the growth cycle differs in any way at all (ie.. One growing quicker/slower then the other, tomato growth size difference{within the same species})Just Dahlia would be the closest. She has UDT and RST in containers, but to have the experiment under control the UDT's and RST's would have to be of the same family.
The same amount of light, water, and soil. Even with greenhouse conditions My theory would be, “one plant will out-do an other”


The meeting with my Aunt went awesome... Hubby came with me and turns out her and i have more in common with eachother then with the rest of the family lol. Had plenty of rain so far this weekend and going to get more rain this week so i think i wont be able to get any gardening done.That's great! and I had nothing to do with sending the rain spirits your way.


Haha another question has just popped into my head that i would like to know.. whats the average growth peroid for tomato plants and what are the best months to grow them.For the determinate variety, and the indeterminate indefinitely. Only size differs in the two, See A World Record! (http://foxyurl.com/6Oy) for “Tomato Tree” in Disney World. I seem to remember its been growing for several years... now where'd I put that link? :confused:
The best months would be one's that the average temp is above 70°F ~ 21.11°C toms love heat!

or can they be started anytime in the spring and summer (with thought to as when cold weather would set in)They can be started any time as long as the seeds are properly prepared. Tomato plants are technically a perennial even though they are treated as an annual. Under the right conditions a tomato plant will continue to grow for years.

K

Hey tomato ranchers, anyone have a sure fire cure for blossom-end rot? I don't mean pre-planting advice, I mean end it now ideas. Can it be stopped at this stage? Been lucky, never had it , until now. It's on one of the gravity defying ones. Thanks.

Blossom End Rot is caused by a lack of calcium.
The real problem is that the plant is unable to absorb the calcium that is in your soil due to an uneven supply of water.

It is essential to keep the soil consistently moist rather than let the soil completely dry out and then water fully. This extreme fluctuation is almost a surefire way to induce blossom end rot.

Too much nitrogen in the soil can also cause rot. In this case, a handful of lime around the base of each plant might help In your case put a little on the top.
It is important to cut back on your fertilizing or switch to a brand that has a low nitrogen and high phosphorous to high potassium ratio.

Other conditions that may bring about blossom end rot are weather-related: extreme changes from hot to cool temperatures, stress from drought, and heavy rains after a dry spell.

Mist the plants affected with milk (for the calcium), you could even pour some on the top.

I know this has been discussed on another thread, and one problem is the smell. The reason it smells is because the Pasteurizing/Homogenizing process kills all the “good” bacteria” and the milk becomes rancid.

If you can find raw milk Do you have any milkers on the “Ponderosa”? You will have better success, you'll still have a smell, (it will still sour, which is a lot different than rancid) but not as bad. Oh, and don't forget the breakfast eggshells...


K

JD
Hmm and with the curious leaf curl you've cancelled out diesease, infestation, weather problems? Could just be a genetic trait passed down through generations but skipping some generations. I wonder if the UDT are growing slower because of being upsidedown or because all plants grow at their own rate regardless of genetics and species.
Aww Dahlia I'm sure you will have some soon tomatoes are my favorite veggie... (they are a veggie are they not or are they classified as a fruit. I know some plants are classed as one when you would expect them to be called the other

K : I suppose that could always be an experiment for another time... trying to recreate the same soil, sun, water ratio for each might be a little difficult if you don't have a greenhouse setup.. HMM I need a greenhouse I wonder if the hubby would let me build one :D

I'm hoping your not the one who sent the rain spirits our way.. its muggy ontop of it all which isn't any fun... humidex of 25 Celsius with rain tomorrow. ( I'm canadian I use C not F lol)

So then since in our area the average temp doesn't seem to be reaching 20 or 21 as of yet a greenhouse setup would be best... Nova scotia seems to see a lot of cool rainy or muggy rainy days here but nothing real happy so far this year just a few Hot days with some wicked nice sun... at least my hostas I replanted are doing awesome

How would you properly prepare tomato seeds for planting and if you were going to give the UTD a shot how would I go about making the bucket. Our deck is stable enough as we just built it lol :D

I did not know they were a pernennial... wow that's neat. You learn new things each morning lol

May the sun always be at your back and warming the path in front of your feet :D
Blessed be and merry part

Before I get started this is for jmjoseph:
Dilute the milk 50:50, you don't need to apply it full strength.
My apologies. It was late, and I was sleepy.

OKAY!


Aww Dahlia i'm sure you will have some soon tomatoes are my favorite veggie.... (they are a veggie are they not or are they classified as a fruit. i know some plants are classed as one when you would expect them to be called the other
Supreme Court decision:
Nix v. Hedden - Wikipedia (http://foxyurl.com/6Rd)
Reaganomics:
Ketchup as a vegetable - Wikipedia (http://foxyurl.com/6Re)


K : I suppose that could always be an experiment for another time... trying to recreate the same soil, sun, water ratio for each might be a little difficult if you dont have a greenhouse setup.. HMM i need a greenhouse i wonder if the hubby would let me build one :DClick on greenhouse plans.
Agricultural Building and Equipment Plan List (http://foxyurl.com/6Rg)


I'm hoping your not the one who sent the rain spirits our way.. its muggy ontop of it all which isnt any fun... humidex of 25 celcius with rain tomorrow. ( i'm canadian i use C not F lol) :eek: NOT ME!. NOT ME! :eek:
25°c humidex,that is high, as I write its 14°c here, partly sunny temp 24°c


So then since in our area the average temp doesnt seem to be reaching 20 or 21 as of yet a greenhouse setup would be best... Nova scotia seems to see alot of cool rainy or muggy rainy days here but nothing real happy so far this year just a few Hot days with some wicked nice sun... at least my hostas i replanted are doing awesomeThere are T-shirts in Bar Harbor, Maine that say “we only have one month of summer, and that's august”

Hosta's would be well suited for your climate.
The American Hosta Society (http://foxyurl.com/6Rp)
Hosta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://foxyurl.com/6Ro)
HOSTA LIBRARY (http://foxyurl.com/6Rn)


How would you properly prepare tomato seeds for planting and if you were going to give the UTD a shot how would i go about making the bucket. our deck is stable enough as we just built it lol :DTry this site Just Dahlia seemed quite taken with it.
Saving Tomato Seeds - Seed Saving for Next Year's Tomato Crop (http://foxyurl.com/6AQ)

K,
Thanks a ton for the links there's nothing better then some first thing in the morning reading... loving the agricultural building plans link you sent... I have most of the things I need for a greenhouse sitting in the shed and I didn't even know it :D.

Its quite intresting how the fruit/veggi discussion actually went to court to be determined...
LOL sounds like my kind of shirt been waiting for the warm weather to hit soon as I'm going to be taking the dog tubing down the river lol. Is Maine where you are from? Nova Scotia is around 5 to 10 hours drive from Maine.. I've always wanted to go there mind you I've never been outside of canada. Thinking on making a trip down to South Carolina to take a look at a dog breeder down there too.

Hosta's do very well down here and I've now got my hubbys mother growing them in her flower gardens too... (we just expanded her property by almost an acre) now to just put in her rock paths she wanted. She decided that insead of growing corn this year (which she does in the back yard) she's going to build another garden area and do rasberries and strawberries though her plants don't seem to be doing that well. I believe the phesants are eating them on her.

I'm thinking my leaf curl is 'Tabacco mosaic virus'
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And if that is the case I might have to toss those plants before it spreads.:(

Unfortunately, now that I see a larger pix, I believe your right.

Comparable view:
Tomato Mosaic Virus (http://foxyurl.com/6Yz)

Click on pix for larger view:
APSnet Education Center - Plant Disease Lessons - Tobacco mosaic virus (http://foxyurl.com/6Yw)

My Condolences :(

NOOOO:eek::eek::eek:
Say it ain't so!
I'm going to take a close up picture when I get home and post it, so you can compare. I would hate to have to toss 3 plants, they are so big and beautiful with toms.

The second site you posted looks nothing like mine. Mine are more like parsley curl on some and just weird on theirs. Just the top new leaves.

Maybe I can just cut them off?:confused:

Does anybody else eat fried green tomatoes beside myself? We live real close to where the movie was shot.("Fried Green Tomatoes").They still have the Whistle Stop Café there. Don't waste the green ones Dahl. Let me know, I'll give you the recipe. One year I fried half of what we grew. They're great!

I would LOVE the recipe:D

I don't think I've ever eaten 'Fried Green Tomatoes' but I am willing to try.

Thank you

JD I hope you don't have to toss your plants that would be sad *cries* poor plants. Lets cross our fingers and hope :D

JD,

In the pix you posted this morning... were those ACTUAL sample cuttings from your plants? :confused:

Does anybody else eat fried green tomatoes beside myself? They're great! You've got my vote... :)... and zucchini, and squash, and eggplant, and turnips, and well, you get the idea... K

No, those pictures were from a site I found. Here are some actual pics.
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I tried to take the last 2 pics off since they were blurry, but couldn't figure it out

Mine don't have the yelowing spots on them.

What do you guys think?

Here you go:


Fried green tomatoes


3/4 cup cooking oil 1 cup milk
3 to 4 med. Sized green, firm tomatoes 2 1/2 cups all purpose flour
2 eggs salt,pepper, and garlic powder
To taste.


Place cooking oil in a 10 " skillet. Mix eggs with milk and blend well. Slice tomatoes in 1/4" slices. Dip each slice in the milk and egg mixture and then dip them in the flour and place slices in the skillet over very low heat. Add salt, pepper, and garlic powder to each tomato slice. Brown each side slightly to a golden brown. The tomatoes will be soft, and should be served hot.

These are just as good, and sometimes more popular, if you use self rising cornmeal.

Ms. Just Dahlia.
After reviewing your recent pictures, I regret to inform you, that I believe they are in early development of the tomato mosaic virus.

I resubmit one photograph with areas circled, that I compared with known virus specimens.
The one area especially at lower right in the shade has the characteristic leaf deformity.

Are you able to open any of the fruit for inspection?
Does any of the fruit show any signs of discoloration? (brownish spots)

I encourage you to show these pictures to a local expert for confirmation.
With out knowing your location in Northern California, I offer a link of County Contacts, that you may send an attachment of picture for further review:
UC Cooperative Extension County Contacts/Farm Advisors (http://foxyurl.com/71t)

My Kindest Regards.

KUXJ

Thank you!
I emailed pics for Sacramento County. Hopefully they aren't too busy with crops and get back to me.:)

Ohh no.. That doesn't sound good... does the mosaic virus completely destroy your plant? What are the late symptoms of it if the possibility of her plants having them are showing the beginning of the symptoms?

Ohh no.. that doesnt sound good... I know. I just feel sick about it.
does the mosaic virus completely destroy your plant?It can, if left to it's own design.
I've been searching, and found this U.K. site that offers hope if action is taken early, see How to treat on same page:
Mosaic virus, pictures of the yellow leaves on tomato plants (http://foxyurl.com/749)
what are the late symptoms of it if the possibility of her plants having them are showing the beginning of the symptoms?Images of the carnage:
pictures of tomato mosaic virus - Google Image Search (http://foxyurl.com/74c)

Wow... those poor plants :( I feel for them... so it ruins everything I see.. that's no good at all. Lets hope early action can help then because it would be horrible for her to loose her plants... how's it going on your end KU?

Thanks for the info on trying to save them. I have to read more later, because I am at work.

No official confirmation yet, but last evening I got disgusted and cut off all the bad leaves and today I am going to move the sad plants as far away from my other plants as possible.:(

Some are actually touching the good plants.:eek:

I will also follow the rules for trying to save them.

I did cut one tomato that was a little deformed (could be due to a growth spurt) and it was all green inside. :) The others look OK.

I still have 6 plants unaffected or undetected, so I still have hope.:)

If they all get infected, I can always start over or buy from the market.:D

You say tomatoes, I say taumautoes... and a taumauto by any other name would still be a tomatoe. I will never ever tell, you will have to torture me with hanging tomatoes before I will tell

The tick is back:eek:

Tell :d tell :d tell :d

I'm guessing lol that by looking at posts that maybe the american and canadian version of the spelling of that word may be different. Am I correct?

To*ma*to pl. toes
According to my Websters II Pocket Dictionary.:)

My smily faces from above changed!

Lol JD its because the d's were lowercase not in caps... well that's good to know :D I've heard of people spelling it tomato and tomatoe but if it was pluralized wouldn't it need an s on the end.. so it would be tomato, tomatoes

Ok, I'm home and I managed to move one about 4 feet to an old tree stump behind the pool. Still have to lengthen the drip to it, but it's almost 100 degrees again:eek: so I needed to get out of the sun.

The other 3 are in the ground, with one all alone about 8 feet away. I'm taking my chances:rolleyes:

I tied up everybody, so no one is touching any one else, just like kids in the back seat of a car, it won't be allowed.:D

I'm pretty sure I have at least 3 that I never touched as they are behind some flowers and in front of a Yucca, so I might not have contaminated them.
The 3 that are in the ground, I'll watch and stop bringing out the Hooka to share tobacco smoke and swap stories.:cool:

!!!!CONTEST!!!!

My second (JD gets the first) "Red Ripe One", to whoever successfully translates this saying:

Jūs kalbate, pomidorų , powiadam pomidorai

As usual, the answer (verified by my neighbor) is being kept in a mayonnaise jar, in my milk box, out by the trash cans.






small hint, i'm lithuanian

I'll watch and stop bringing out the Hooka to share tobacco smoke and swap stories.:cool:I'm not sure 'bout "other" smokes, BUT regular tobacco, and its residue is deadly to Solanum lycopersicum

Polish right?
I'm going with what Tick said about the tomato and tamatoes.;)
I'm thinking the last 3 words are a derivative of tomato unless I have it wrong and it's Russian.:eek:

I know not enough polish to make it by in a polish town but if I remember the polish english dictionary I've got some where in my book shelf.. *runs off* it says something about tomato & I say pomidorai So maybe it is you say tomato and I say hmmm.. tomatoe?
A I don't know at first I thought maybe greek but then I realized greek doesn't look like that mind you I've never seen greek written in english if its even possible lol

Now that I think about it the last word may be pomidorai its self therefore it would be you say tomato and I say pomidorai

How about translating just one word...

I've got so much help from KUXJ, he is such a 'mensch'

Oh! I forgot to offer a prize! I have nothing, sorry!

Polish right?
I'm going with what Tick said about the tomato and tamatoes.;)
I'm thinking the last 3 words are a derivative of tomato unless I have it wrong and it's Russian.:eek:

No... it is from an old song which probably KUJX would recognize (I really have a problem with you moniker KUJX, is there a derivative of that we can use that rolls of the tongue a lot better?). The song goes 'you say tomatoe, I say taumauto, oh lets call the whole thing off', the old movie it was from was about a man and a woman, woman from England where they drew out their vowels, as in tauuuuumatooo.

And, I prefer tick to be in lower case not Tick. Not a big deal but it's a thing with me.

You all

Tick

You Girls are hard to keep up with :)


Polish right?
I'm going with what Tick said about the tomato and tamatoes.;)
I'm thinking the last 3 words are a derivative of tomato unless I have it wrong and it's Russian.:eek:You didn't see the hint at the bottom?


i know not enough polish to make it by in a polish town but if i remember the polish english dictionary i've got some where in my book shelf.. *runs off* it says something about tomato & I say pomidorai So maybe it is you say tomato and i say hmmm.. tomatoe?
a i dunno at first i thought maybe greek but then i realized greek doesnt look like that mind you i've never seen greek written in english if its even possible lolΛέω την ντομάτα, λέτε την ντομάτα


now that i think about it the last word may be pomidorai its self therefore it would be you say tomato and i say pomidoraiYou're getting warmer... ;)



How about translating just one word...

I've got so much help from KUXJ, he is such a 'mensch'

Oh! I forgot to offer a prize! I have nothing, sorry!kalbate = talking


No....it is from an old song which probably KUJX would recognize (I really have a problem with you moniker KUJX, is there a derivative of that we can use that rolls of the tongue a lot better?). The song goes 'you say tomatoe, I say taumauto, oh lets call the whole thing off', the old movie it was from was about a man and a woman, woman from England where they drew out their vowels, as in tauuuuumatooo.

tickHow 'bout:

"Let's Call the Whole Thing Off" 1937, Gershwin Brothers, (Now there went a couple of fine menschs) Fred Astaire, and Ginger Rogers in “Shall We Dance”

“They” say No One could top Fred Astaire's dancing prowess, but “Ya know what”? Ginger did it, AND she did it backwards, and in high heels! ;)

Let's Call the Whole Thing Off - Wikipedia (http://foxyurl.com/7bJ)


Awww... tick I don't know... I say q-jix, you say coo-jx... ”Let's call the whole thing...

From ~ “the joker” ~ Steve Miller Band:
YouTube - Steve Miller Band - The Joker (http://foxyurl.com/7bT)

I do share Steve Miller's first name... K or k or ku will do to...

Louis Armstrong - Let's Call The Whole Thing Off Lyrics (http://foxyurl.com/7bC)

Christopher Walken's Monologue (http://foxyurl.com/7bB)


As for the Contest, I am going to call it a three way tie. If at night you hear a sputtering WWII bi-plane overhead... ruuuunnn for cover, Eddie's droppin' your prizes.

The “Pomputus of Love”

K

Edit:
Geeez, I forgot :o :

Jūs kalbate, pomidorų , powiadam pomidorai = You say tomato, I say tomato

LOL k... I figured that that's what it said after I logged off lol...
Λέω πατάτας, λέτε πατάτας. Τι ένας θαυμάσιος τρόπος να ξυπνήσω εγκεφάλου μου μέχρι το πρωί.
Now what's that say LOL... :P
*tilts head* my my I think I hear a sputtering WWII bi-plane *runs outside* TOMATOOOOO :D lol.
I didn't know that line was in a song though

به شما می گویند گوجه فرنگی ، گوجه فرنگی من
بگو

Now it was hard to find my keyboard option for that but that is "you say tomato, i say tomato" in Persian. I'll never get the hang of backwards writing so I hope I got it right

LOL k... i figured that thats what it said after i logged off lol...
Λέω πατάτας, λέτε πατάτας. Τι ένας θαυμάσιος τρόπος να ξυπνήσω εγκεφάλου μου μέχρι το πρωί.
Now whats that say LOL.... :P
*tilts head* my my i think i hear a sputtering WWII bi-plane *runs outside* TOMATOOOOO :D lol.
I didnt know that line was in a song though

I say potato, you say potato. What a wonderful way to wake up my brain this morning.

Close enough?.

The Persian's going to take a little longer.

My end is doing okay, been busy outdoors... ran into minor prob with my glass block window install... will have'ta work on BB's condo, what I feared is happening, the bucket is deforming... will have to add extra support handles... no bigge I hope.

K

You were actually completely exact on that one k :D yea persian I find takes me forever to translate :D. Glad its going good on your end... What went wrong with your glass block window installation? Ohh no. the bucket is deforming.. that might not be good. Lets hope all you need is just extra support handles:D

Best of luck

B44

you were actually completely exact on that one k :D yea persian i find takes me forever to translate :D. Glad its going good on your end... What went wrong with your glass block window installation?
best of luck

B44Thank You!

The wall is made outa' 50 year old Cin... Der block you can see flakes of red, black, green, white and orange in it :cool:, and I was "attempting to enlarge the opening" when part of a block cracked off :eek:.. So had to repoint, waitin' for motar to set up, is all.

I wanted to make a mini-greenhouse outa' it but Dear Wife (DW) says no. :(


Ohh no. the bucket is deforming.. that might not be good. lets hope all you need is just extra support handles:DDrilled holes

Ran 12/3romex, Ol' 'lectrican told me add 10% to length still came up a little short, had just 'nough. In the "after pix" you can see where I ran it up, then twist tied to pole.

See pix, don't know what happened to the "after" one. UV, I guess? Liked it, kept it.

All done!. Sky is brilliant today! 30°, now ~ forecast same tomorrow 32°

K

Wow.. usually cinder block that old crumbles more then what happened to you. Your lucky there. We had some we completely removed from the house and re did it in concrete block... we tapped one of the old cinderblocks and the two blocks crumbled to dust.
Hehe isn't that usually the way, the man wants something, the woman of the house says no, the man sadly nods and goes off to do his own thing *LMAO* (j/k)
I do think it might have been the UV. We have some hand made bird feeders made of plastic buckets and they warped but made a neat shape so we kept them up. WOW your lucky , the suns shining on your end and its nice and warm, its Cloudy as all get out here and the temp as reached 32-34 with the humidex and its supposed to humid tomorrow too.. :o Ohh the poor poor pup I have... he sure hates the humidity (well I guess he's not a pup he's 7 but he still looks like a puppy and acts like one)

K. I hope the new improved handle on the bucket holds up.:)

I hope mine doesn't pull the fence down!:eek:

When you said it was beautiful and in the 30's I was confused, but then realized you were talking to B44 in C.

I liked the pink:D

B44 Your computer problem your having on the other post, could it have something to do with you changing the language to Persian the other day? Or have been having it a while.

b44

That's what I thought 'bout the old block too, but surprisingly its in pretty good shape!

Well, I do enjoy sleeping in our bed... ;)

Strange... When I took it, the cam acted like nothing happened, so I took it again, you see the result. The cypress in the background and the lattice look kind of normal.

That low pressure system is have'n a ens... :eek:WELL! How 'bout that, I wanted to say d...ens, as in Charles, but the server C*****ed it out!:eek:
Of a time "movin out".

Are you near the "Bay of Fundy"?



He's sure getting up there. Is he the "binxster"?


Just Dahlia

Thanks JD, I sure we'll be okay now.

Me too!

My apologies, Just trying to keep up International relations :rolleyes:

If you want to talk 'bout PC problems here, It has to involve tomahtoes... :rolleyes:

Did I ever tell you 'bout the time I used an 'ol ATX box for a tomahtoe planter? ;)


K

JD.. no its had been happening before I did that... weeks before.. I just thought I'd post about it now.. me being a little slow sometimes LMAO and I like tomahtoe

KU.. Well you just gone done confused me.. beds? Huh? I like beds...
Your right. The weather just isn't being very nice.. I know I've tried to type things like that before but its done it to my words too. :(

Technically if you go by the breed description he's lived about half his life.. He is the one in my picture.. And his name is Rebel :D

Am I near the "Bay of Fundy" well if I walk straight up the road for about 20 minutes, I'd get into town, go through town and be staring at the old docks we have, the docks being attached to water and that water is from THE BAY OF FUNDY.. hehehe so yes I do live near the bay. LOL.. so computer talk needs to have tomahtoe in it. Hmm *goes up and adds something* :D

I have such a positive attitude, NOTHING is wrong with my toms.:D

I fixed my drip today, again 102 degrees.

Tomorrow I will MG everybody in the evening after sun has set:)

KU..Well you just gone done confused me.. beds? huh? i like beds...:DYou said:

Hehe isn't that usually the way, the man wants something, the woman of the house says no, the man sadly nods and goes off to do his own thing

And I said:

Well, I do enjoy sleeping in our bed... ;)

Meaning... If I didn't, "sadly nod and go off to do my own thing"... and instead started an argument, then I wouldn't be sleeping with my tomahto (DW) in our own bed.

Make sense now?


K

Hehehe yes.. must have been one of them moments where my brain decided to stop working


I was wondering... Since our climate can fluxuate during the summer usually mid teens to mid to high twenties... up to low thirtys with the humidex. Is there a specific strain of tomato that would grow better then others. And when ripe what are the tomatoes like? *some taste different, sweeter, you get what I mean I hope lol* and how big are they? I have a farm supply/animal feed/pet product store here that I think I might be able to find a few different kinds at

Hi! Everyone :)

News from the Bucket, June 26th, 2009 ~ Vol. I ~ Ed. IX:

Weather sure been different this week. Started a little below seasonal Temps (avg. -4 departure) with a storm passing though Saturday morning (20th) early, to temps 3° above.
The Cooling Degree Days are finally starting to forge ahead of the Heating Degree Days. BBX received 0.92” ~ KCXY 1.42

An over-nite line of storms died out just on our doorstep this morning, but the NWS is forecasting a re-generation with the frontal passage 'bout 19:00 UTC.

In the “Kant fool Mother Nature” Department:
With the increase in daily temps, and a generous supply of UVA and B, BB's Bucket started to deform. There is a UVC but the EPA tells me that UVC can't pass through our atmosphere.
That Newton guy 'mite have something to do with it too. Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica - Wikipedia (http://foxyurl.com/7rv)

Well, in any event I rigged an extra set of suspenders (see pinkish pix in previous post) and I'm able to sleep better at night. I wonder if BB does?. I'll have to look that up... Do Plants Sleep? To the best of my knowledge they slow down when the Sun goes down, but don't actually suspend their animation like Humans do. You can form your own opinion from here: Do Plants Sleep? - Google Search (http://foxyurl.com/7rC)

Speaking of Boy Wonders I started pruning him back, nothing serious, just making sure the suckers are out'a the “crack in the crotch”.
I've read, one can trim everything back, except the last 3 to 4 branches on a stem, but that seems a little drastic. Then there's “Missouri” pruning where you just pinch off the tips of the branch... I've tried to reach a happy medium that suits me.
For more info: pruning tomatoes - Google Search (http://foxyurl.com/7rB)

BB is 48” vertical, and 32” in breadth ('cuz of pruning) with a total of 8 fruits, the largest approaching billiard ball size.



***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** *****


As a re-affirmation for me, in the “things happen in three's Department” I'd like to offer a moment of silence for Ed McMahon, Farrah Fawcett, and Michael Jackson.


................................................

I had said that to my DW after hearing 'bout Farrah... and then Michael.


“We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give”.

Sir Winston Churchill........British politician (1874 - 1965)




I usually have a catchy ending to my news, but for now...



K

Ooo. Personally I think they do sleep but not in the way humans and animals do... how else could you explain things like seeds being able to go "dormant" for years at a time. :D


OOOOO... I'm so excited... I just have to say it.. I got it.. I got my student loan.. I'm going to college :D

Congratulations, binny, as I recall it was going to be something to do with Forestry, was it not ?

Tick

Yes. I am going to become a conservation officer.. and I will be going to Maritime College of forest technology tick.. thanks :D

I was wondering... Since our climate can fluxuate during the summer usually mid teens to mid to high twenties... up to low thirtys with the humidex. is there a specific strain of tomato that would grow better then others. And when ripe what are the tomatoes like? *some taste different, sweeter, you get what i mean i hope lol* and how big are they? I have a farm supply/animal feed/pet product store here that i think i might be able to find a few different kinds at

I bet the guy at the store might know what's good for your climate. I always try a couple different varieties, just to see what happens.:)

Fridays paper said that since we have had such cool weather in June...
50-60 night 75-85 day that our toms will be about 2 weeks late this year.:(

Maybe this hundred degree weather will off set that.:)

B, I was able to cobble up this list of toms that do well from the 49th parallel on up.

Check with your farm supply if they can get them in for you.

Taste is subjective to the persons senses.
Check here for detail, you may already know 'bout this; Seeds of Diversity - Canadian Tomato Cultivars (http://foxyurl.com/7v3)

If you get a chance call or visit this fellow; novanewsnow.com > The Vine/Carla Allen > Growing Cape Island style (http://foxyurl.com/7v7)

Not sure if its all-inclusive... k

B, I was able to cobble up this list of toms that do well from the 49th parallel on up.

Check with your farm supply if they can get them in for you.

Taste is subjective to the persons senses.
Check here for detail, you may already know 'bout this; Seeds of Diversity - Canadian Tomato Cultivars (http://foxyurl.com/7v3)

If you get a chance call or visit this fellow; novanewsnow.com > The Vine/Carla Allen > Growing Cape Island style (http://foxyurl.com/7v7)

Not sure if its all-inclusive.........k

K... your awesome.. I apprechate it.. and no I have not ever heard anything on that site so I am going to take a look.. and I'll look into the fellow and maybe call him. I'm going tomorrow to check my farm supply shop to see what they can get and if I can't get what I want I'm pretty sure that I could find them online and order them :D Ohh don't you love the net

Now I've heard... :rolleyes:... Eddie the pilot , that If your into cherry toms for salads or just a snack, you won't be able to keep up with the Scotia's

K

We do have some good tomatoes lol...

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It's 8:00 PM and still 100 degrees at my home:eek:

I was at K Mart today to get some flip flops for my husband and found a good sized 'Celebrity Hybrid' I bought it and put it far far away from the other tomatoes.

I pruned it according to the site that K provided, lets see what happens:rolleyes:

It's 8:00 PM and still 100 degrees at my home:eek:

I was at K Mart today to get some flip flops for my husband and found a good sized 'Celebrity Hybrid' I bought it and put it far far away from the other tomatoes.

I pruned it according to the site that K provided, lets see what happens:rolleyes:

That's Toasty, BB's 8pm was 79°F, now, at 7:00am 61.4°F with showers possible later.

Let's hope the virus isn't all through your yard. Hang in there Just Dahlia...

Hope is the thing with feathers
That perches in the soul.
And sings the tune
Without the words,
and never stops at all.

Emily D-i-c-k-i-n-son (1830 - 1886)

Emilys' probably "rollin' in her grave" ~ That's a shame the server won't let Bonafide names pass, hope it doesn't glitch on account of my "w-o-r-d p-l-a-y"


Received a note from curlyben 'bout yesterday's forum problem:

We had a "glitch" and lost :eek: about 90 minutes of posts, but it's fixed now.
I'm trying to get to the bottom of it..


K

? Hungry ?

I just could not wait any longer!

With apologies to this Thread, and jmjoseph, His recipe found on page 10 I believe, and I used zucchini that my neighbor brought over :D

Everything except the plate is edible!

K, aww so sad we lost that much of posting time.. got to admit that plate looks SOME yummy.. why can't I eat it lol :D. One food I've been trying to find out how to make is ruhbarb loaf (oo hope I spelt that right)

K, aww so sad we lost that much of posting time.. got to admit that plate looks SOME yummy.. why can't i eat it lol :D. One food i've been trying to find out how to make is ruhbarb loaf (oo hope i spelt that right)This was Wednesday:
Most users ever online was 5,543, Jun 24, 2009 at 12:04 PM.
Like I said earlier, I suspect yesterday beat that.

Times a wastin' Girl! Take your pick:
rhubarb loaf - Google Search (http://foxyurl.com/7CS)


K

Everything on that plate looks great and now I'm hungry.:)

I never heard of rhubarb loaf, I have only used it in jams. What does it taste like?:confused:

It's 106 right now, had to come in from the back because the radio reminded me it wasn't safe to be working in the heat.:eek:

It's 110.2 right now :eek: and will be getting hotter for another hour!:eek:

I have no news besides that. I can't cook (too much heat for the house), can't paint {too many fumes (no windows open)}

I live my life outside and I can't even go there.:(

:eek: 110.2° :eek:
That is unreal!

You probably don't even feel like making anything.

But if you have fruits or veggies mix them with yogurt, ice cream or even salad dressing.

From the "It may sound strange department" I've been known to eat cold soup right out of the can. Just watch the ones like chicken noodle that has the fat still on top, pour it off and eat.
Its still gives your body nourishment.

And heed those warnings! 'bout heat cramps, heat exhaustion, and heat stroke (also referred to as sunstroke). FEMA: Having A Heat Wave: Summer Is Here... Are You Prepared For Heat Emergencies? (http://foxyurl.com/7Do)

The worst I ever experienced was July 3rd, 1962. It was 107° in Shamokin Pa. but then I was only 10 back then.



:cool:.............Stay cool...........:cool: ........k

Well, I think that could be the worst for you and me too. We don't have any or much humidity here, so it's just hot hot hot.

In Chicago where I come from I wouldn't be able to handle 90 with the humidity:eek:

I can handle 100 or a little more for short amounts of time here.:)

It's 111.4 degrees right now!:eek: 5:40 PM

Just be alert and careful.

I've been out in the yard this past week without a shirt and for the first time in a long while I got a mild sunburn on my back and shoulders... tingles a little bit, and the skin feels leathery or tight.

It sure feels good though when the DW puts the noxzema on. :)

I'm going to float around the site check back in a few... k

p.s... BB loves the heat here, and he's up to 14 toms, with more coming.

Lol I know times a wastin' thanks for the recipe :D wooot... ruhbarb loaf is awesome.. its not got a strong flavor but its got almost the same texture as bananna bread almost... and looks a lot like it cept its not bananna's lol.

Wow I don't know f but I have a feeling that's quite warm for you guys.. we have not has enough sun to burn anything and the rain and humidity are bringing out the slugs. :O poor poor strawberry plants we have.. the slugs are eating them to death... even slugbait isn't working (says it will kill'm awwww bummer) tried to count the slugs on the walk up our lane.. lost track at 400 of the small things.. slugs and snails... my backyard is overwelmed with them.. and they have never been that bad before

If you have access to a fermented hops product, I think its called beer :rolleyes:

Put it in shallow bowls around the strawberry plants... the slugs go to it and drink until they drown.

What a way to go!

Sand is also a deterrent, pour a short mound, and wider than they are long, around the perimeter of your garden.

They don't like the way it feels, it actually cuts them.

K

If you have access to a fermented hops product, I think its called beer :rolleyes:

Put it in shallow bowls around the strawberry plants.....the slugs go to it and drink until they drown.

What a way to go!

Sand is also a deterrent, pour a short mound, and wider than they are long, around the perimeter of your garden.

they don't like the way it feels, it actually cuts them.

k

:eek:BEER?? Ewwwww.. but the hubby does drink it once in a while so there's always a 12 pack floating around I'm sure he won't miss some of it lol.. well I guess if you like beer it's a good way to go. Too bad rum didn't work LMAO I've got tons of that :D
Does it matter what kind of sand you use? Wouldn't ants be attracted to the sand on the ground? Wider then they are long. Now does that count for when they are streached out or just regularly... they are small snails and slugs (more slugs then snails though) and none of them are bigger then your thumb nail.

If you see "the man sadly nod and go off to do his own thing" :(, when you take his beer, try the rum.

Type... If you can get the kind they make glass out of, that's perfect. White then yellow.

Ants... Maybe when it rains. Sand won't stay formed enough dry, for them to make farms.

Length... regular, they won't be in it long enough to stretch. :eek: a few might be persistent

Type, again... don't matter

Thumbnail... length or width?

K

Reporting strange happenings with some of my tomatoes...

Since I trimmed icky (maybe virus) leaves on 6/23, none have come back or formed weirdly.

However I just noticed 1 tom on Mama mia looking like it has blossom end rot on it's side, and one early girl looks like it's starting to shrivel and turn whitish on the top of tomato.

I searched through our entire thread and found nothing that looked similar, but I might have missed something.

All of my plants are look good except for one and it's only problem is that it looks sparse.

UDT looks the same, only one tom and hasn't grown. Lots of flowers. No virus present. It reached the ground and I had to hang it up with some string.

My new Hybrid looks good, but it's just been a couple days.

Our temps have lowered to 100 F (38 C) from 108 F (42 C). I'm not sure if the toms got sun scorched or there is another problem. I'm thinking sun, because it hasn't hit all of them.

That's all I've got for now! I hear no planes above ::looks around:: and see nothing, so I'm assuming no one has any ripe toms yet. Tomorrow is July 1st.

God Bless

Hi! Just Dahlia :)

Not sure what zone your in:
USNA - USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map: South-West US (http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hzm-sw1.html)

Got to thinking 'bout what you said 'bout Sun Scorch, I was able to dig up this 'mark,
My DW says "I'd lose my head if it wasn't attached to my shoulders" :D:
Is it possible for tomatoes to get TOO much sun? - Growing Tomatoes Forum - GardenWeb (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tomato/msg062101432214.html)

Which led me to here:
Bracing Up: Hardening Off Transplants | Tips & Techniques (http://www.gardenguides.com/how-to/tipstechniques/seedsbulbs/hardening.asp)

This might go back to Hardening off.
The zone thing puts you in 11? 10b?
If your winter temps hit the mid 30's... as the twig is bent, so grows the tree...

Actual quote:
'Tis education forms the common mind,
Just as the twig is bent, the tree's inclined.
Alexander Pope, 1734, Epistle to Cobham, 149-50

K

That's all I've got for now! I hear no planes above ::looks around:: and see nothing, so I'm assuming no one has any ripe toms yet. Tomorrow is July 1st.

God BlessGeez... I almost forgot. :rolleyes: (maybe the DW's right!)

I know what you mean. BB's 1st born isn't as green, and shows no sign of "blush" yet. :(
Don't worry 'bout Eddie He's been grounded 'til after the 4th... Nothin' serious,
Something 'bout a "Blue Angels" performance.

From the "this'll get your blood flowing" department,
I'll have to warm up the tivo.
Just found out "Yankee Doodle Dandy" with James Cagney going to be on TCM, Sat. the 4th at 5:45pm, don't know your showing if interested, (I'm on Satellite, West vs East Coast Thing.)

I'm a sucker for those oldies, "Stars and Stripes Forever" is another goody. It's the music mostly.

Be'zeh ha'makom te'hee bracha
v'shalom

K

The oldies of anything are the classics.. I prefer the old horror movies, and good ole oldies music. Well oldies to me may not be oldies to you :D I like pink floyd. Meatloaf, zz top, twisted sister, kiss, stuff like that... And well I'm a huge movie buff so old movies like Rocky Horror Picture show.. (gotta love it its controversial) and the original dracula stuff like that I've got it all lol.

And about the toms... maybe the could be getting too much sun or anything I just hope if its something bacterial, viral or airborne that its not what they've got... it'd be horrible if your other toms get it too... I'm knocking on wood and crossing my fingers for you...

About the Slugs... Got the sand, white to be exact and so far it seems to be working :D I also got two hole cans of beer from him LOL and put it in shallow bowls around the perimiter hehe :D just to be sure

Be'zeh ha'makom te'hee bracha
v'shalom

k

If that was for me, Thanks! :)

ruhbarb loaf is awesome.. its not got a strong flavor but its got almost the same texture as bananna bread almost... and looks a lot like it cept its not bananna's lol.

That made me snort my drink :D

If that was for me, Thanks! :)Yes it was... k

i like pink floyd. meatloaf, zz top, twisted sister, kiss, stuff like that...!! What!! You never heard of Grand Funk Railroad?
Grand Funk Railroad - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=gmail&rls=gm&q=Grand%20Funk%20Railroad)
Try any of the youtubes, it's all Good!

Well.....You see curlyben....That's the name of the railroad that hauls our toms to Eddie for delivery, an the youtubes show how the
r.r. gets 'r' done.


And well i'm a huge movie buff so old movies like Rocky Horror Picture show.. (gotta love it its controversial) and the origional dracula stuff like that i've got it all lol. The other night I was watchin' Greta Garbo and Melvyn Douglas in "Ninotchka" pronounced noch-ka, a 1939 comedy, It also had Felix Bressant who usually played a professor in the "Three Stooges" shorts... And Bela Lugosi who played a Russian Party Leader... I recommend it! ;)


About the Slugs... :D i also got two hole cans of beer from him LOL and put it in shallow bowls around the perimiter hehe :D just to be sureIf hubby ever asks where you came up with THAT idea, I'm going to pull a Sgt. Schultz on you. (Col. Hogan, I know nothing!).


K

!!! What !!!! you never heard of Grand Funk Railroad?
Grand Funk Railroad - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=gmail&rls=gm&q=Grand%20Funk%20Railroad)
Try any of the youtubes, it's all Good!

Well.....You see curlyben....That's the name of the railroad that hauls our toms to Eddie for delivery, an the youtubes show how the
r.r. gets 'r' done.

The other nite I was watchin' Greta Garbo and Melvyn Douglas in "Ninotchka" pronounced noch-ka, a 1939 comedy, It also had Felix Bressant who usually played a professor in the "Three Stooges" shorts.....And Bela Lugosi who played a Russian Party Leader....I recommend it! ;)

If hubby ever asks where you came up with THAT idea, I'm gonna pull a Sgt. Schultz on ya. (Col. Hogan, I know nothing!).


k
K yes I've heard of Grand Funk Railroad and they rock :D didn't know they had anything on YouTube though I'll go take a look. Ninotchka.. hmm I'm totally going to see if I can find it at my video store I go to.. :D they carry all the oldies :D... HEHE I doubt he minds as long as I stop complaining about my strawberry plants

:) Greetings fellow Botanists :)

As an ongoing service to the readers of the Upsidedown Tomatoes Thread. I offer this Bibliography of 'Marks to facilitate in your search for answers on Tomatoes.

as Mulder would say; “the truth is out there Scully”.

There is one “special entry” found on pg. 9, by jmjoseph for his recipe for “Fried green tomatoes”.
Kudos to jmjoseph....Even though it was zucchini, they were delicious!
Pix on pg 14

who would have ever thought this thread would grow to such size? :eek:

~ Lets Begin ~

Found on page Two ~ 2:

GRIN Accessions for Taxon (http://foxyurl.com/3kY) Images of Solanum lycopersicum L.

How to identify tomatoes - Google Search (http://foxyurl.com/3kV) How to identify tomatoes

File:Tomatotree.JPG - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://foxyurl.com/3lq) World's largest tomato plant/tree

Key for Identifying Vegetable Diseases (http://foxyurl.com/4on)


Three ~ 3:

Plant Physiology Online: Symptoms of Deficiency In Essential Minerals (http://foxyurl.com/5ma)


Five ~ 5:

The dwarf curly leaf tomato mutant -- Journal of Heredity (http://foxyurl.com/6pN)
Notes: Additional studies with tomato mutant, curl -- Journal of Heredity (http://foxyurl.com/6pO)

Summer solstice.

Dates/Times to 2050 can be found here:
NWS Indianapolis, IN (http://foxyurl.com/6ps)

A discussion on why this happens, here:
Earth's Seasons (http://foxyurl.com/6py)

Which can be found here:
Naval Oceanography Portal (http://foxyurl.com/6pz)

Grammar Girl :: Effect Versus Affect (http://foxyurl.com/6pY)


Six ~ 6:

Saving Tomato Seeds - Seed Saving for Next Year's Tomato Crop (http://foxyurl.com/6AQ)


Seven ~ 7:

(Sciurus carolinensis) Eastern Gray Squirrel - Wikipedia (http://foxyurl.com/6NY)

A World Record! (http://foxyurl.com/6Oy) for “Tomato Tree”


Eight ~ 8:

Supreme Court decision:
Nix v. Hedden - Wikipedia (http://foxyurl.com/6Rd)
Reaganomics:
Ketchup as a vegetable - Wikipedia (http://foxyurl.com/6Re)

Agricultural Building and Equipment Plan List (http://foxyurl.com/6Rg)

The American Hosta Society (http://foxyurl.com/6Rp)
Hosta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://foxyurl.com/6Ro)
HOSTA LIBRARY (http://foxyurl.com/6Rn)

Saving Tomato Seeds - Seed Saving for Next Year's Tomato Crop (http://foxyurl.com/6AQ)

Tomato Mosaic Virus (http://foxyurl.com/6Yz)

APSnet Education Center - Plant Disease Lessons - Tobacco mosaic virus (http://foxyurl.com/6Yw)


Nine ~ 9:

Fried green tomatoes

3/4 cup cooking oil 1 cup milk
3 to 4 med. Sized green, firm tomatoes 2 1/2 cups all purpose flour
2 eggs salt,pepper, and garlic powder
To taste.

Place cooking oil in a 10 " skillet. Mix eggs with milk and blend well. Slice tomatoes in 1/4" slices. Dip each slice in the milk and egg mixture and then dip them in the flour and place slices in the skillet over very low heat. Add salt, pepper, and garlic powder to each tomato slice. Brown each side slightly to a golden brown. The tomatoes will be soft, and should be served hot.

These are just as good, and sometimes more popular, if you use self rising cornmeal.


Ten ~ 10:

Mosaic virus, pictures of the yellow leaves on tomato plants (http://foxyurl.com/749)

pictures of tomato mosaic virus - Google Image Search (http://foxyurl.com/74c)


Eleven ~ 11:

Let's Call the Whole Thing Off - Wikipedia (http://foxyurl.com/7bJ)

YouTube - Steve Miller Band - The Joker (http://foxyurl.com/7bT)

Louis Armstrong - Let's Call The Whole Thing Off Lyrics (http://foxyurl.com/7bC)

Christopher Walken's Monologue (http://foxyurl.com/7bB)


Twelve ~ 12:

Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica – Wikipedia (http://foxyurl.com/7rv)

Do Plants Sleep? - Google Search (http://foxyurl.com/7rC)

pruning tomatoes - Google Search (http://foxyurl.com/7rB)


Thirteen ~ 13:

Seeds of Diversity - Canadian Tomato Cultivars (http://foxyurl.com/7v3)

If you get a chance call or visit this fellow; novanewsnow.com > The Vine/Carla Allen > Growing Cape Island style (http://foxyurl.com/7v7)


Fourteen ~ 14:

rhubarb loaf - Google Search (http://foxyurl.com/7CS)

FEMA: Having A Heat Wave: Summer Is Here... Are You Prepared For Heat Emergencies? (http://foxyurl.com/7Do)


Fifteen ~ 15:

USNA - USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map: South-West US (http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hzm-sw1.html)

Is it possible for tomatoes to get TOO much sun? - Growing Tomatoes Forum - GardenWeb (http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tomato/msg062101432214.html)

Bracing Up: Hardening Off Transplants | Tips & Techniques (http://www.gardenguides.com/how-to/tipstechniques/seedsbulbs/hardening.asp)


Sixteen ~ 16:

Grand Funk Railroad - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=gmail&rls=gm&q=Grand%20Funk%20Railroad)



~ :



See Ya 'round the compost pile!

K

K.. You rock lol thanks for the biblio :D it helps instead of searching back through the thread for the links :D

I had to spread the rep KUXJ but you should talk to CurlyBen about putting your info and all those link in a Sticky thread.

I agree shaz I think it would make a good sticky too :D.. Couldn't give you rep it still wouldn't let me LOL I think that the forum thinks I give you too much as is LMAO :D

I had to spread the rep KUXJ but you should talk to CurlyBen about putting your info and all those link in a Sticky thread.I forgot my manners... :(

Welcome to UDT :), and Thank You shazamataz for the idea.

I was thinking, "how do I keep this Updated without consuming Bandwidth".

A PM is in the works.

K

Hi! Everyone :)
News from the Bucket, July 3rd, 2009 ~ Vol. I ~ Edition X:

Its been 67 days since I gave BB his new home, (maturity 70-75 days) and even though I said earlier that his 1st born didn't show any signs of “blush”, I have to make a retraction.

Unless my eyes are deceiving me, I think I am seeing a “hint mind you”, a hint of “pink”.
My Dad, “Bless his Soul” would have been proud. He still would have given advice on why they weren't ready, but still proud.

He grew up on a farm outside of Elysburg, Pa. His family raised 25 acres of toms back in 1930, and Grandpa insisted they be ready for market the week of July 4th.
So you know what that means... He started seeds late March, early April. It was rare anyone in the valley bested Grandpa.

Here's to you Grandpa and Pop! ;) …... darn, I'm starting to get misty...

There is one other attraction near Elysburg, Knoebels Amusement Resort (http://www.knoebels.com/) one of the nicest amusement/camping parks you'll ever visit... free admission too!

JD reported toms would be two weeks late, and I believe her.

If you need a time duration calculator, look around there's more there: Date Duration Calculator: Days between two dates (http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html)


For the past week. Weather around here has been slightly below normal, main reason is that cut-off Low that's been hanging around the Great Lakes. It's scheduled to start movin' out today. We've had spotty showers all week a few T-storms, with 50% chance today, highs, low to mid 70's.
Rainfall for the week at BBX 1.07” ~ KCXY 1.23”

BB's going to need a new bucket if this keeps up! He measured out to 57” vertical, 39” horizontal, and has 18 total toms. Must be that pruning I did, that extra energy has got to go somewhere.

b44 will be glad to hear the additional support for the bucket has stopped the deformation of BB's home. He still doesn't look like the ones you see in the TV ads. “They” must have someone sitting in a chair waiting on them “Hand and Foot”.
Still, I'm happy that I'm finally seeing production. :)

JD be sure to see pix, I have one that looks like you were describing on pg. 15, the blossom end is forming on its side.

'Bout Blossom End Rot:
This is just me, but I try and knock off the dried blossom end as soon after I see the tom developing. I don't force it... Like when your pickin' 'Lopes “the stem will just kinda' pop off” when its ready. Nothing scientific 'bout it (least I haven't found anything yet) and no I don't equate it with a newborn baby's bellybutton healin' up.
Doesn't seem to hurt or help. Is it that, the Calcium or both? Hmmmm...


Well... I guess y'all know what tomorrow is...

I didn't want to clutter up the thread with pixs of fireworks so here's a link, there's one there that looks like Just Dahlia's avatar.
I can start a contest to see who picks the right one?:
fireworks - Google Image Search (http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=gmail&rls=gm&q=fireworks&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=IypOSpHKKIeWtgfTwMSoBA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=8)

For those of you that like action:
Interactive Fireworks games at Phantom Fireworks (http://www.fireworks.com/interactive/fireworks_show/default.asp)

My apologies to binx44 (Canada's Dominion Day was July 1st), and any others I may have missed. I put this 'mark in my treasure chest for future reference:
July Holidays - Holidays Around The World (http://www.aglobalworld.com/holidays-around-the-world/tag/july/)



Have a happy and safe Fourth of July........Govern, yourself.......Accordingly!


“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

Preamble to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution)

I am proud of my country, but I would also like to see a preamble “of the United States”, and “the United States of America.” to
“of all Countries” and “the United Countries of the World.”

As Red Greene would say......Remember, I'm pullin' for ya! We're all in this together!

Living in The Land Of The Free - because of The Brave!

See Ya 'round the compost pile!

k

K the plant is coming along nicely and YES I am SO GLAD that the extra support stopped the deformation of BB's home. I`m sure he will be pretty on his own *hmmm is there a male and female tomato plant or are they asexual* right and I bet the ones on TV did have someone waiting on them hand and foot, I accept your apology though you didn't have to apologise... Well I`m sorry but my fingers are tired of typing and the original Star Wars movies are on TV so I`m going to watch them while the DH is off playing poker...

Merry meet, Merry part and merry meet again my friends

Have a great 4th for everyone who celebrates! :D

I forgot my manners....:(

Welcome to UDT :), and Thank You shazamataz for the idea.

I was thinking, "how do I keep this Updated without consuming Bandwidth".

A PM is in the works.

k

No worries, I pop in and out of threads a lot... you may not see me for a month, I may be back tomorrow hehe

Hopefully Ben goes for it.

That UTP is huge now! :eek:
I can't even grow weeds in my yard haha

Hopefully Ben goes for it.

That UTP is huge now! :eek:
I can't even grow weeds in my yard haha
A PM is in the works.

All I can do is wait. :)pace....:)pace...:)pace...

I sent the PM last evening 'bout 10pm edt Fri. that would have been 03:00Z Sat. which made your time, noon Sat. if your near Sydney.

Ahh... What time is it again? :confused:

Yes it is! I've never had one take off like this!
Its not the weeds we're concerned 'bout :rolleyes:


K

*hmmm is there a male and female tomato plant or are they asexual*

1.) We need to establish the meaning of asexual.

Asexual
Dictionary: a·sex·u·al (ā-sĕk'shū-əl) adjective

1.Having no evident sex or sex organs; sexless.
2.Relating to, produced by, or involving reproduction that occurs without the union of male and female gametes, as in binary fission or budding.
3.Lacking interest in or desire for sex.

Asexuality a·sex'u·al'i·ty (-ăl'ĭ-tē) n.
Asexually a·sex'u·al·ly adv.

For the purposes of this discussion I shall stay with this one.
As applied to propagation, indicates any method of increasing plants except by seeds, such as by cuttings, layering, or division.
Gardener's Dictionary: asexual (http://www.answers.com/library/Dictionary%20for%20Gardeners-cid-4627)

2.) is there a male and female tomato plant

Technically, the tomato is hermaphroditic which means that both male and female parts exist in the same flower. Plant Answers (http://www.plantanswers.com/garden_column/apr03/4.htm)

There is a female-sterile plant that scientist are working with to produce fruit.
A FEMALE-STERILE MUTANT IN THE TOMATO -- HONMA and PHATAK 55 (3): 143 -- Journal of Heredity (http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/55/3/143)

Through Human intervention, mutations can, and do occur that result in sterile, but healthy blossoms of each.
There is genetic research being done to see if plants of this type can be made to produce fruit.
Wiley InterScience (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119116244/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0)
Natural intervention does happen, but at a rate that is difficult for anyone but a scientist to observe.


Now that we have established a baseline, I can answer your questions

Are there male and female tomato plants?
Yes

Are they asexual?
Using the first definitions #1 and #3 No.
Using #2 and the Gardeners Dictionary Yes, because tomatoes can be propagated as mentioned in the Gardeners Dictionary.

I take no responsibility if the server edits any of this post. That's its job.



K

Thread now a sticky as it's very interesting.

Hi! Curlyben, Thank You! I am honored.

May you and yours have a Great Day!

Kindest Regards,

k
Aka Steve

Yay, well done KUXJ :)

21648
This is Mama Mia, so no prize. Not an UDT
21649
This is the sun scorch I was talking about, but the red one was right next to it and it seems fine
21650
This is the other side of the same tomato.

Well... nothing worked there, I will try again:(
I wish I new how to delete the whole thing.

21651

21652

21653

It worked this time, so you have the comments on the previous post.:)
The red one has no spots, it was a reflection.

I have the first red (sorta) tomato, but it's not on a UDT, so I don't win:(

It worked this time, so you have the comments on the previous post.:)
The red one has no spots, it was a reflection.Hi! Just Dahlia... I was wondering who that was with the camera. :)
Your quite right that is Sun scald, half way down left center. See:
Green Fruit Disorders - Tomato Problem Solver | Aggie Horticulture (http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/publications/tomatoproblemsolver/green/)



I wish I new how to delete the whole thing.Only the Admin can do that, but if the edit button is still there on the post you want to delete you could go back and attach another pix of more toms...
Click edit Then go advanced cut everything there attach new pix, you might have to add text or type new message Click save



I have the first red (sorta) tomato, but it's not on a UDT, so I don't win:(Never fear!.
Now where did I put those Diploma's? :confused: Eddie, where'd you put those Diploma's?. rummage... rummage... goes upstairs... goes into the basement... out to the shed... rummage... rummage

Ahh... Here they are! :)

Okay everyone pay attention!!!
Clears throat... harrumph... cough...


********************

To the Esteem Faculty of Ask Me Help Desk, Mr. curlyben, Mr. Dahlia, fellow members of Ask Me Help Desk, fellow contributors of UDT, fellow Botanists, Ladies and Gentlemen:

It is with Extreme Honor that I have been asked to present Mrs. Dahlia with thee "First" UDT Diploma.

Mrs. Dahlia.....

In recognition of your steadfast Diligence, and untiring Devotion to your Tomatoes,
Your unwavering Effort's in the face of unbearable weather conditions,
never asking for a brief respite until your Charges were taken care of First.
I hereby bestow, upon you, The Degree of UDT. Congratulations! Doctor Dahlia!

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present Doctor Dahlia! The Doctor is in!

applause! applause! applause! applause!

********************

Refreshments will be served immediately following, in the Lounge.

Wallet size, suitable for framing... k

Hi! Everyone :)

Just a couple of things this morning.

Was thinking 'bout the asexual post and pollination, for now I'm giving the fruit stems a little shake to observe if it will produce more... more on Friday.

Found a Salsa recipe... It's Fiesta Time (http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/1523/)

And just curious 'bout this mushroom, every morning it sprouts, grows to a little under 2" then dies off at night only to start over again the next day.

Wow, that was some reception last night for Dr. Dahlia!
I would have stayed later, but had to get Eddie to the airport, glad I stuck to the Bloody Mary's... sans alcohol.

K

Congrats to JD... and K... what location exactally are you in. it could help me narrow down which mushroom that is for you. Mind you I mean the state you reside in and if it is In the northern, southern, eastern or western portion of the state and I don't mean your exact location. Wouldn't need much more then the state though maybe now that I think about it

I know nothing about mushrooms, except for the ones you eat and buy at the local grocer. I didn't even know that they died at night and could sprout that fast, I just always thought field mushrooms were beautiful and intriguing.

But, I am remiss with my speech, must have been those Bloody Marys KUXJ was sharing. I think he put something in mine.

::clears throat::

I'd like to thank...
*First of all the weather, even though it was not predictable as it usually is, with out weather we have nothing.

*I would like to thank Lowe's for the 'pot' in which MAMA MIA has been living her life

*I really need to thank my 'hoarding' gene for saving the Miracle Grow for Tomatoes for years and my organizational skills for being able to find said Miracle Grow.

*My dogs for not digging up the plants

*and of course KUXJ, Binx44 for info and support through the many problems that have occurred

And who am I forgetting:rolleyes:
Oh yeah... Tick, Shaz and JMjoseph for their interest and recipe.

If I have forgotten anyone I apologize, it must be the Bloody Marys!:cool:

I know nothing about mushrooms, except for the ones you eat and buy at the local grocer. I didn't even know that they died at night and could sprout that fast, I just always thought field mushrooms were beautiful and intriguing.

You would be amazed how quick some fungi can grow, let off spores and die off.. I think its amazing to watch them early in the morning. (i have wayyy to much time on my hands right now lol... that i actually watch the corn and mushrooms grow in the yard and field)

But, I am remiss with my speech, must have been those Bloody Marys KUXJ was sharing. I think he put something in mine.

LOL (thats when you just smile and ask for another one)

::clears throat::

I'd like to thank...
*First of all the weather, even though it was not predictable as it usually is, with out weather we have nothing.

*I would like to thank Lowes for the 'pot' in which MAMA MIA has been living her life

*I really need to thank my 'hoarding' gene for saving the Miracle Grow for Tomatoes for years and my organizational skills for being able to find said Miracle Grow.

*My dogs for not digging up the plants

*and of course KUXJ, Binx44 for info and support through the many problems that have occurred

(aww you know we luv you :D. Your contribution to this thread was just as intresting as the thread its self :)

and who am I forgetting:rolleyes:
oh yeah... Tick, Shaz and JMjoseph for their interest and recipe.

If I have forgotten anyone I apologize, it must be the Bloody Marys!:cool:


Lol. And here's some random typing because for some reason this is not letting me post and its saying my message has to be more then two characters.. its way more then two characters.. I typed.. can it not see the blue? (Pouts)

Congrats to JD.... and K... what location exactally are you in. it could help me narrow down which mushroom that is for you. Mind you i mean the state you reside in and if it is In the northern, southern, eastern or western portion of the state and i dont mean your exact location. Wouldnt need much more then the state though maybe now that i think about itIf you stop to think 'bout it, Mother Nature started “Location... Location... Location... She just never bragged 'bout it.
Pennsylvania According to local lore “South Central" Southeast corner of South Central location Been growing in woody tanbark pix were taken 72 minutes apart I'd give you the Google Earth Co-ordinates, but then I'd have to dispose of the body :rolleyes: suffice it to say 40N ~ 77W 'shrooms are circled, will have to make thicker next time "I" think I smell another diploma.




I know nothing about mushrooms, except for the ones you eat and buy at the local grocer. I didn't even know that they died at night and could sprout that fast,Some of the fastest growers on the Planet. Ran into morels 3weeks ago (shhh....secret spot...sneek 'round.....sneek 'round) Delicious!

Wild About Mushrooms: Morels (http://www.mssf.org/cookbook/morels.html)
I just always thought field mushrooms were beautiful and intriguing.My sentiments exactly.


But, I am remiss with my speech, must have been those Bloody Marys KUXJ was sharing. I think he put something in mine.

::clears throat::

I'd like to thank...
*First of all the weather, even though it was not predictable as it usually is, with out weather we have nothing.

*I would like to thank Lowes for the 'pot' in which MAMA MIA has been living her life

*I really need to thank my 'hoarding' gene for saving the Miracle Grow for Tomatoes for years and my organizational skills for being able to find said Miracle Grow.

*My dogs for not digging up the plants

*and of course KUXJ, Binx44 for info and support through the many problems that have occurred

and who am I forgetting:rolleyes:
oh yeah... Tick, Shaz and JMjoseph for their interest and recipe.

If I have forgotten anyone I apologize, it must be the Bloody Marys!:cool:Hear! Hear! Well Said!


Applause!! Applause!! Applause!! Applause!!

Well... We couldn't find Celery stalks, and even though my new found 'shrooms look like parasols, I told Eddie, “Don't put them in the drinks!” He does mean well.
Don't feel bad, I'm wearin' the Foster Grants too. :cool:


Lol. and heres some random typing because for some reason this is not letting me post and its saying my message has to be more then two characters.. its way more then two characters.. I typed.. can it not see the blue? (Pouts)Usually on a forum, writings that are contained in “Quotes” as in “Quote User” are similar to an image, and the server holds that image until it recognizes additional text outside of the boundaries of the “Quote Brackets”. Either [ or ]

A member is still allowed to modify the interior of that image, but again, the server is holding that “Image” until it “sees” additional input.

By the way... I liked what you were trying to do. :)

There is another technique called “Nested Quotes” an example is in/on UDT Page 17 ~ Post 163 .
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/gardening-plants/upside-down-tomatoes-352932-17.html
If you would like to see how that works, click on "Quote User" and study the code presented.

Well... gotta get going, the Sun's goin' down, got things to do.
Think my verbena has aphids ( got the dreaded "cottony mass" see pix) did spray with soapy water mix and moved 'em... time will tell...

Ketch Ya later :) k

think my verbena has aphids ( got the dreaded "cottony mass" see pix) did spray with soapy water mix and moved 'em.....time will tell.....

Ketch Ya later :) k

I can't find the pix of the circled mushrooms and the verbena :confused:

Pictures of 'shroom's are on the top of page 18. Though I am not sure where this other photo K is talking about is... *thinks it got eaten by the computer post monsters*

K why thanks for saying you liked what I was trying to do :D hehe so did I until it didn't like me. Not hard to add a little text though. Will start searching my books for your mysterious super speed growth 'shrooms :D and will get back to you. I'm pretty sure I've seen a pix of them before while flipping through looking for edible varietys (yum yum I love mushrooms) Only thing with mushrooms though is that you should always be 100% sure of what your looking at before even touching it because some carry toxins that can be absorbed through your skin and effect you not just intruducing toxins through digestion of said 'shroom

I can't find the pix of the circled mushrooms and the verbena :confused:Yea, I know I downloaded them, I'll try again, check bottom of page... ↓



not sure where this other photo K is talking about is... *thinks it got eaten by the computer post monsters*

I thinks your right. Your welcome, Yes, I've seen them before to, and your "Dead Right" 'bout that last comment!

Looks like it worked this time. I checked the verbena tried rubbin the "mass" away, but didn't move, mite be "Sun scald"
You can see the yellow circles better in the V pix, barely in the 'shrooms. Again 'shroom pix 72minutes apart.

K

You guys are too computer intelligent for me, I feel like a dunce.:(
I will continue with my regular posts and be proud if I can download something. :D

I have more pink-esh tomatoes!:D

Deb

Proving I can grow something without a infection and download the pic... 21753

JD. LOL... maybe we just use computers more then you do.. me personally I've been using computers all my life since my mom decided we were old enough to have one without breaking it.. when I went to college at Nova Scotia Community College I was required to do a computer course.. instead I challenged for the credit, wrote one test and passed it I know that much about them... Used to do html code but its been so long I don't think I could do it any more.
K. that is one AWESOME looking flower plant. May I ask what species it is.. almost looks like a hybrid we have around here.. hmm what was it called... Ohhh no I can't remember. *looks closer at K's photo* is.. is that a man made pond in the background I see...

JD. LOL... maybe we just use computers more then you do.. me personally i've been using computers all my life since my mom decided we were old enough to have one without breaking it.. when i went to college at Nova Scotia Community College i was required to do a computer course.. instead i challanged for the credit, wrote one test and passed it i know that much about them... Used to do html code but its been so long i dont think i could do it any more.

K. that is one AWESOME looking flower plant. may i ask what species it is.. almost looks like a hybrid we have around here.. hmm what was it called.... Ohhh no i can't remember. *looks closer at K's photo* is.. is that a man made pond in the background i see...b is your slip showing? :rolleyes: you did mean the Cment pond in the bkgrd of JD's pix?
All I have is a dry wash that leads to the wetlunds on my property. K

WOW... I think I got up too early *goes and hides in the corner* I can't believe I thought the picture was yours K.. I should have looked twice before I said anything :D.. All I've got on the property is lots of gardens, trees, and cement creatures :D been thinking on putting a pond in

K. that is one AWESOME looking flower plant. may i ask what species it is.. almost looks like a hybrid we have around here.. hmm what was it called.... Ohhh no i can't remember. *looks closer at K's photo* is.. is that a man made pond in the background i see...

That is a "Dinner plate Dahlia" it's actually a little smaller than a dinner plate, but still large.

There is a pond in the yard (with fish), but what you see in the back ground is part of the pool, or as K said (cement pond)


JmJoseph, I don't think they are edible, it would be a lot to eat :rolleyes: I think I'll try to find out.

Yesterday I did my 8 week fertilizing (I started with those 'Jobes mini spikes' 2 to a plant)2nd app after 8 weeks. I put the first 2 in my new Hybrid, which I am hand watering and keeping away from all other plants.:)

I did have to tie up a lot of plant parts that didn't want to cooperate and stay inside the cage, also put up some old metal fencing to help support, it's not pretty, but will keep them off the ground.

I might be pulling in a couple 'Mama Mias' this afternoon. I have a large San Francisco Fog that looks absolutely perfect, maybe ready by the weekend.:D

No more sign of disease, but one plant 'Big Boy' isn't looking too good, and my other 'Big Boy' still looks like a baby plant.:confused:

News on UDT...
Only have about 5 toms and 4 just recently appeared. My first tom from a while ago is small a little bigger than a golf ball and it is starting to ripen:eek: Maybe the rest will do a little better.

Deb

WOW....There now, don't be so hard on yourself. It happens to the best of us. :)

Okay, timeout's over... You can come out an play with the rest of us... :D

Seriously... :rolleyes:, I need to play "Smokey the Bear" and help put a fire out.

First I have to qualify what I want to discuss:
Did anyone know that they have tom plants and toms for dinner on the (ISS) International Space Station?
More on that later. Now I can tie this in. It may be covered in the Science or Computers and technology forums of AMHD. I thought this died six years ago...

Neighbor Harry called me last night and asked me; Is Mars, going to be the closest it ever has to Earth, and as big as the full Moon this August?

I'm not going to get into a long explanation, because it doesn't deserve anyone's time.

You can read 'bout it here:
NASA - The Mars Hoax Goes Viral (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/mars-20090609.html)
snopes.com: Mars Close to Earth (http://www.snopes.com/science/astronomy/brightmars.asp)
SPACE.com -- Mars Hoax Circulates: 'Big as the Moon!' (http://www.space.com/spacewatch/090519-mars-hoax.html)
It's at the bottom here:
NASA - Science@NASA (http://science.nasa.gov/)

The truth is that Mars is not an "Evening Star", and is barely a "Morning Star" in being paired with Venus. It will not be conveniently visible to North America till 'round December.
Mars in August 2009 (http://www.otastro.org/Mars2005/)
If anyone tries to tell you different... You tell them from me that "It's all a bunch of Hooey"

Thank You! I'll go an put my soapbox away now, and stand in the corner for a while...

On a lighter side...
Try to see Friday's edition of NFTB, the asexual post has me intrigued and I'm putting together a short presentation on "Propagating Double Impatiens".

'Bout the ISS there will be an excellent sighting for almost six minutes, tonight, and most of the East Coast (except So. Georgia, Fla. and "b" :( if your in northern N.S., not sure 'bout jmj) from 9:57pm edt to 10:03pm edt
Ground Track Plot (http://www.heavens-above.com/gtrack.asp?date=40003.0833170833&lat=40.283&lng=-76.975&alt=0&loc=enola%2Cpa&TZ=EST&satid=25544)

JD, I know it looks strange compared to mine, but here it is:
Ground Track Plot (http://www.heavens-above.com/gtrack.asp?date=40003.2101345139&lat=37.775&lng=-122.418&alt=60&loc=San+Francisco&TZ=PST&satid=25544)

If I have this right it will overfly London five minutes later for almost five minutes
Ground Track Plot (http://www.heavens-above.com/gtrack.asp?date=40002.0094149884&lat=52.869&lng=-3.657&alt=243&loc=Lon&TZ=GMT&satid=25544)


Keep in mind.......these are all Local times........

K

No more sign of disease, but one plant 'Big Boy' isn't looking too good, and my other 'Big Boy' still looks like a baby plant.:confused:Its probably the heat spell you've gone through, i.e. heat stress.

Have you heard back from county extension?

Have you heard back from county extension?

No they are ignoring me, which is surprising since the State does a lot with tomatoes, but maybe I wasn't important enough:(

I have a pic, not quite as cool as K's. I added some basil and green beans (which I have been ignoring:o) from the garden.:D 21775

My Mama Mia (Roma)

No they are ignoring me, which is surprising since the State does a lot with tomatoes, but maybe I wasn't important enough:(

I have a pic, not quite as cool as K's. I added some basil and green beans (which I have been ignoring:o) from the garden.:D

My Mama Mia (Roma)My Dear, you are being Far... far, too modest.

I hesitate to put a monetary value on the culmination of your efforts, but, You could charge Ten dollars American for that appetizer at La Folie.
Love the plate.....Heirloom China?

Write Co. ext. again and shake their indeterminate vines. You might be surprised to see what happens.

Steve

JD... well I'd have to say that is one awesome looking flower and one yummy looking plate of veggies :D

K. I've come back to play... I do believe if I read the national geographic website correctly and remember it all right I do believe they are trying to grow veggies in space mind you I don't know if they are trying tom's or not. I think seeing mars would be neat... mind you I don't believe the hoaxes going around. I've got friends going on about the end of the world in 2012 and all that stuff... I just cant, won't and will not believe it until viable information from someone like nasa comes out.

. i've got friends going on about the end of the world in 2012 and all that stuff... i just cant, wont and will not believe it until viable information from someone like nasa comes out.


Bin, 2012 is the end of the world according to the Mayan calendar.

Ohh I know tick... but at the same time many people and religions all say they have and know the date of the end of the world and no two of them are the same date...

Many theories have been advanced to interpret why, the Mayans stopped their Tzolkin at the Baktun of

12 ~ 21 ~ 2012
Some have even pegged it at 11:11am GMT

I am not sure which I believe in. they all have, some valid points.
The strongest for me; is the Mayans felt it would be a time of transition.
A transition to what?
The Attachment is the Mayan Glyph for the date.

This is available for more study:
time for 12-21-2012 - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=g0G&num=100&q=time+for+12-21-2012&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=)

This is a physiological leaf curl. The large-fruited varieties are more prone to it. Nothing can or need be done about it.

I don't see a need in worrying because nothing can be done about it anyway. I believe we will go in a tremendous catalyst of varying degrees starting soemwhere in the world. That is to say, another continent will perish first and then possibly the one we are on.

I don't think having an underground bunker with supplies to last a certain amount of time is going to do any good.

There is absolutely too much technology available to world powers as it stands right now. What different does it make actually, who does it first. They will be doing it to themselves as well.

A passive tick just enjoying what she has and living for the moment and enjoying those she loves to the fullest of her capabilities. Salute the Mayans !

Hugs to all

This is a physiological leaf curl. The large-fruited varieties are more prone to it. Nothing can or need be done about it.Hi! jomercer, Welcome to AMHD, and the UDT thread :)

I believe your in reference to Just Dahlia's Leaf Curl Pix's on; Page 9 ~ Post 86. Can you verify that?
When you say "physiological" do you mean a type of stress? What type?
Can you cite references for verification?

K

I dont see a need in worrying because nothing can be done about it anyway. I believe we will go in a tremendous catalyst of varying degrees starting soemwhere in the world. That is to say, another continent will perish first and then possibly the one we are on.

I dont think having an underground bunker with supplies to last a certain amount of time is going to do any good.

There is absolutely too much technology available to world powers as it stands right now. What different does it make actually, who does it first. They will be doing it to themselves as well.

a passive tick just enjoying what she has and living for the moment and enjoying those she loves to the fullest of her capabilities. Salute the Mayans !

hugs to allI am in complete agreement with those points! Thanks for the Hug, I needed one. K

Its been a while now and I realized... I don't have an avatar.
Since We've recently touched on the Mayan Culture, and I have more than a passing interest in them.

I decided to use one of their Glyphs as one, for now. It represents Earth.

I will be using the following two links to understand. The first may be too dry for some tastes.
Please watch on the second, Google search link. I found some dead links on the "authentic" sites.

Prehistoric Intensive Agriculture in the Mayan Lowlands (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/citation/185/4146/118)
Google (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=Mayan+agriculture&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&fp=5lFJmpjL11Q)


K

I love that you chose that symbol K.. Its also very intresting looking. I was thinking of getting a myan tattoo but I wasn't sure where to begin looking for proper glyphs. So far I have a lady bug tattoo (prosperity and luck) two butterflies (love and freedom) Its nice to see you with an avitar finally :D
I've always loved ancient culture. I love learning new things and discovering things that are used today that were actually used long ago.. for example. . I found out yesterday that a few hundred years AD the chinese actually had flamethrowers (dont you just love the ancient histroy channel) neat huh.
Got lots of planning to do today. Our friends daughters 10th birthday party is today and I've got to get her something. And I'm going to start drawing flower bed plans by my front door I get wicked good sunlight there where in my last place the windows were badly placed and I got NO sun at all and no sun around the front door we had (which was all the property we had LOL) so I get to go nuts.. might not plant anything but it'll be nice to have it all planned and marked and ready to go

Physiological in the sense that it's not a pest or disease. Some cultivars just do it more than others and some envrionmental factors such a cool temps could be involved . Any Extension home garden tomato publication talks about it.

Here's one from North Dakota with a good picture under the "non-parasitic" bookmark--they call it "leaf roll":

Disease Management in Home-Grown Tomatoes (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/hortcrop/pp659w.htm#non-parasitic)


Jo Mercer (former Extension horticulturist)
Western shore MD, Zone 7, Sandy loam






Hi!, jomercer, Welcome to AMHD, and the UDT thread :)

I believe your in reference to Just Dahlia's Leaf Curl Pix's on; Page 9 ~ Post 86. Can you verify that?
When you say "physiological" do you mean a type of stress? What type?
Can you cite references for verification?

k

Hi! Everyone :)
News from the Bucket (nftb), July 10th, 2009 ~ Vol. I ~ Edition XI:


Happiness depends upon ourselves.
Aristotle; Greek critic, philosopher, physicist, & zoologist (384 BC - 322 BC)

Something I do to make me happy is, when I rise from the night's sleep I throw on a shirt and my shorts go outside to the yard, and slowly take a walk 'round the property.

It's a peaceful time, as I walk to each of the plant locations to make the first of the day's observations, and in my travels I will have moments of solitude where I give thanks for everything around me, and hope I can be useful today.


*** *** *** *** ***

After posting nftb last week we had our 50% of showers come through to the tune of 0.51”. Nice, low humidity, breezy, in the mid70's.
Rainfall for the week at BBX 0.51” ~ KCXY 0.96”

Chance of Showers, T-storms Sat. Sat.nite, POP 60~70%
New rainfall amounts between a quarter and, one-half inch except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

BB's still looking healthy, hasn't grown much though, only 2 more inches to 59 and girth to 40. He's gained two more toms, makes 20.
At first he took off after the one pruning, but now has leveled off and is pushing his energy into quality of production.
The pruning is doing what it's designed to do, i.e. change plant quantity into quality an that's okay with me. So if you want all the toms your plants can produce, just let the plant grow.

Been busy with other gardening chores. Besides BB, the DW and me have:
Banana Peppers, Red bell peppers, mini-straight-neck yellow squash, Red raspberry Mulberry Elderberry

Flowers include:
Hosta Calla Lily Hydrangea Marigolds Bearded Iris Burgundy Clematis Crimson Mandevilla Red and Pink Double Impatiens and two that you saw in the “fried green zucchini” pix on pg. 14; petunia and verbena


After the asexual post, the wiley 'mark got me to thinkin' 'bout manual pollination. So now when I go by BB, I started using my index finger to jiggle the blossoms a little, but switched to a long artists brush. I smoke :( and didn't want to take a chance on transferring the residue to BB. I wish I could quit cold turk, and am down to a pack every fortnight and an occasional cigar... I'll get there :)

'bout the Pink Impatiens, while in transport we had a couple of stems break off and I hated to just toss 'em, so I put 'em in a bud vase with plain tap water and after one week they've started to root. See pix. The first is the Mother plant, I had a problem posing them to show the roots so I procured one of Eddies friends (Skelator) to help me.

Impatiens is an annual. See: Annual plant - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_plant) but if I remember correctly Mom had these forever. You can even do it with a carrot, Just change the water once a week an their happy :)

We have a total of ten Botanists now. In order of appearance binx44 Just Dahlia tick jmjoseph twinkiedooter shazzmatt culyben jomercer firmbeliever George Leigh

See Ya 'round the compost pile!

K

Physiological in the sense that it's not a pest or disease. Some cultivars just do it more than others and some envrionmental factors such a cool temps could be involved . Any Extension home garden tomato publication talks about it.

Here's one from North Dakota with a good picture under the "non-parasitic" bookmark--they call it "leaf roll":

Disease Management in Home-Grown Tomatoes (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/hortcrop/pp659w.htm#non-parasitic)


Jo Mercer (former Extension horticulturist)
Western shore MD, Zone 7, Sandy loamThanks Jo! and Welcome to UDT :)
... You know I had a feelin' there was more to your first post than met the eye. I believe we were all leaning in that direction, but just weren't sure, and were hoping JD's Co. Ext. would shed some light. Hope you didn't mind the hard questions.

By the way... where'bouts on the Western shore? I have a Uncle and cousin's in Leonardstown, St. Mary's Co.

Hi KUX, I share your interest in Mayans. We had a lovely holiday a few years ago visiting Chichen Itza. It is such a totally awesome place to visit. Almost like the Mayans walked out of their arena and were having a siesta. As a gift for our son who couldn't attend, we had his name written in ancient Mayan on, I forget, some kind of cloth and had it framed when got back. Very interesting. Of course, the food in that area was just so very good, everything fresh and lots of fruit for breakfast.

The hotel where we stayed outside of Cancun was surrounded by ancient temples in varying stages of archeological exploration. They haven't even scratched the surface there yet in discoveries.

I understand just recently they found an untouched temple of the Aztecs below Mexico City.

Have a great day in your garden, friend, as I will in mine, it is my day off.

Tick

Hi! everyone :)

And just curious 'bout this mushroom, every morning it sprouts, grows to a little under 2" then dies off at night only to start over again the next day.



k

Maybe this is what you have
Fungi world photo selection 2 (http://www.fungiworld.co.uk/browse2.htm)
"Coprinus xanthotrix (mature) possibly. The Willows, Beeston, Nottinghamshire (September 2008)
Cap, up to 4 cm, whitish grey and furrowed. Gills, grey black. Stem, white, tufty. On moist soil near broad-leaved trees. Not edible"

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And here's some more reading for you garden lovers...
Hort Blog (http://buckshort.blogspot.com/)
"Fungi are certainly the most common organisms associated with plant disease. I say “associated” because the pathogen, by itself, does not equal disease. A susceptible host plant and the proper environment are also necessary."
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I love this thread,not a gardener at all,but plants are fascinating.
Hello all. :)

K.. I do believe we (I give most of the credit to firm for this because they posted before I was able to) have discovered your shroom... It is Coprinus xanthotrix and is definitely not edible. Take a look at these and let me know what you think
http://www.fungiworld.co.uk/images/fungi206L.jpg (mature mushroom)
http://www.fungiworld.co.uk/images/fungi234L.jpg (young mushroom)... I'm taking a look in my mushroom book at home here to see if I can find any growth information or toxin information etc..
So far I have found that is is in the black spore classification and the black inky spores liquefy and can be used as INK...

Check this site out.. you may find it intresting and it helps with classifing Coprinus mushrooms too

i love that you chose that symbol K.. its also very intresting looking. i was thinking of getting a myan tattoo but i wasnt sure where to begin looking for proper glyphs. So far i have a lady bug tattoo (prosperity and luck) two butterflies (love and freedom) Its nice to see you with an avitar finally :D
I've always loved ancient culture. i love learning new things and discovering things that are used today that were actually used long ago.. for example. . i found out yesterday that a few hundred years AD the chinese actually had flamethrowers (dont you just love the ancient histroy channel) neat huh.Pick a site... any site.Mayan glyphs - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMI_enUS335&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Mayan+glyphs)

The Greeks also:
Greek fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_fire)

lots of planning to do today. our friends daughters 10th birthday party is today and i've got to get her something. and i'm going to start drawing flower bed plans by my front door i get wicked good sunlight there where in my last place the windows were badly placed and i got NO sun at all and no sun around the front door we had (which was all the property we had LOL) so i get to go nuts.. might not plant anything but it'll be nice to have it all planned and marked and ready to goWhy not get her a book? A good one.
What's her interests?
Does she like anything you do?
Do you have any books that you hold dearly, but would like to pass along?

Leave a note of remembrance, and after the excitement of her youth fades away... She will have you to hold.

K

Hi! firmbeliever, and Welcome to UDT :)

Maybe this is what you haveI think :confused: its closer to #2 on 10

Or

#1 on 12
Fungi world photo selection 2 (http://www.fungiworld.co.uk/browse2.htm)
I'll double check, but it will have to wait till tomorrow morning...


I love this thread,not a gardener at all,but plants are fascinating. Hello all. :)Thank You very much! Yes they are. Enjoy your visits!

K

Hi KUX, I share your interest in Mayans. We had a lovely holiday a few years ago visiting Chichen Itza. It is such a totally awesome place to visit. Almost like the Mayans walked out of their arena and were having a siesta. As a gift for our son who couldnt attend, we had his name written in ancient Mayan on, I forget, some kind of cloth and had it framed when got back. Very interesting. Of course, the food in that area was just so very good, everything fresh and lots of fruit for breakfast.

The hotel where we stayed outside of Cancun was surrounded by ancient temples in varying stages of archeological exploration. They havent even scratched the surface there yet in discoveries.

I understand just recently they found an untouched temple of the Aztecs below Mexico City.Someday, Someway we'll get there.


Have a great day in your garden, friend, as I will in mine, it is my day off.

tickArggg!. Cap'!. Orders 'ceived... now where'd I put my parrot? Candy wheere's the parrot?


Steve

K.. She's not a book type girl. She's more of the girl who's out playing outdoors with the boys rather then being inside with a book but I was thinking maybe a membership and a 3 month riding instruction all paid for her at the local riding facility.. she's always asking me about animals and horses are her favorite *i'm a horse freak too* Though I do have an animal species around the world book *its thick* that I know she loves and I just bought a new copy of so maybe I'll give her my brand new copy and keep my old one instead of sending it off to hide in my attic with all the rest of my books that are falling apart with use that I can't bring myself to get rid of. Ohhh I don't know.. I'm so bad with gifts LOL... I still remember when I could pick her up and carry her around on my shoulders.. its hard to believe we have known them for so long. I'll look at the myan links.. totally :D and the greek ones too.. I'm into symbolism..
About the mushroom.. you sure you looking at the right photo on the link they gave? I noticed even when I was using it this morning that it didn't always send you to the photo you wanted. I also checked out mushroomexpert.com


Ooo yes and this.. I found this intresting.. its another opinion about the winter solstace (dec 21 2012) and the myan calendars...

On the day of the Winter Solstice, December 21st, 2012, many of the greater and lesser Mayan cycles converge. This has often been interpreted to be the portent of some fearful doomsday scenario awaiting the fate of mankind and the Earth. It has also been a point of derision in dismissing the entirety of the validity of an ancient calendar as meaningless in modern society. The astrophysical reality behind this particular date is that this is the precise day that the solar meridian crosses the galactic equator. The Earth, Sun, and the galactic center of the Milky Way are in alignment, with the Sun directly between Earth and the center of the galaxy. The ecliptic plane of the Milky Way galaxy is within a dark band stretching across the length of it which the ancient Mayans called the Road to Xibalba. In reality (the reality consensus of modern science, that is) this dark band is caused by interstellar dust particles obscuring the view of the stars that populate this region of space. The midpoint of this dark, narrow band in the Milky Way is the Galactic Center, in the direction of the constellation Saggitarius, with about 50,000 light years in either direction to the outer reaches of this mid-sized galaxy. This particular juncture in time is also believed to be alluded to in The Great Cross at Hendaye, a mysterious cross of unknown origin in Europe.


http://www.geocities.com/dreamingbones/dreamspell5.html

K.. i do believe we (i give most of the credit to firm for this because they posted before i was able to) have discovered your shroom.... It is Coprinus xanthotrix and is definately not edible. Take a look at these and let me know what you think
http://www.fungiworld.co.uk/images/fungi206L.jpg (mature mushroom)
http://www.fungiworld.co.uk/images/fungi234L.jpg (young mushroom) ... i'm taking a look in my mushroom book at home here to see if i can find any growth information or toxin information etc..
So far i have found that is is in the black spore classification and the black inky spores liquify and can be used as INK.....

check this site out.. you may find it intresting and it helps with classifing Coprinus mushrooms tooYes those are the ones I thought. I'll check in the morn 'bout the black underside, don't 'member black. Can't do it now as they have a short morning life span.

Did you forget the link?

Ohh no my link.. where did my link go... *pokes forum* did the forum eat my link lol
Coprinoid Mushrooms: The Inky Caps (MushroomExpert.Com) (http://www.mushroomexpert.com/coprinoid.html) here it is :D..
I didn't find anything about toxins though so I wouldn't eat it LMAO *no I didn't think you would* it may also have subspecies of the same kind of mushroom... after checking yours out let me know what you think if not I can keep searching for you :D

Just thought I would chime in on this one, if anyone is still reading along after 22 pages?
I guess tomato plants are really popular like roses!
Have grown fields full of tomato plants and I too saw that commercial and thought, I could do that, just like you did.

Also I thought, does that company know what a full grown tomato plant weighs? Because I picture people handing them on little bitty hooks then getting concussions and suing them when they break off there...

Any way my thinking is, you can grow your bucketed tomato right side up, with or without a stake until it starts to set little green fruits, at which time you can invert it and hang it up, the weight of the fruits causing it to hang down straight. Within a day or two the individual leaves on the stem will have turned themselves around to face the sun just like a sunflower does.

Also folks be careful what kind of bucket you use, best to start with a brand new one to avoid any kind of plant diseases.

In the past growing container plants my tomatoes did best in soil in the garden rather than in containers but I have grown some really great peppers in big containers as the plants are much smaller when fully grown.

Currently, many species of mushrooms, which have been used in Asian folk medicine for thousands of years, are under intense study by ethnobotanists and medical researchers. Maitake, shiitake, Agaricus blazei, chaga, and reishi are prominent among those being researched for potential anti-cancer, anti-viral, and immune system-enhancing properties.

In Europe and Japan, Polysaccharide-K (brand name Krestin), a chemical derived from Trametes versicolor, is an approved adjuvant for cancer therapy.[15][16] The shiitake mushroom is a source of lentinan, a beta-glucan which is also approved in various countries including Japan, as an adjuvant for cancer therapy.[17][18][19]

In 2009, a case-control study of the eating habits of 2,018 woman, revealed that women who consumed mushrooms had an approximately 50% lower incidence of breast cancer. Women who consumed mushrooms and green tea had a 90% lower incidence of breast cancer.[20] Human clinical studies are currently being conducted in the United States to investigate if the common table mushroom can limit breast cancer.[21] The reason scientists believe the table mushroom may inhibit breast cancer is due to the fact it possess anti-aromatase activity[22][23] (and therefore possible anti-estrogen activity in the human body) as well as immune system enhancing properties.[24][25]

The City of Hope National Medical Center is currently conducting clinical trials to determine the anti-cancer effects of the shiitake mushroom.[26]

Oyster mushrooms are a natural source of lovastatin, a widely prescribed statin drug used to lower cholesterol.[27]

Wikipedia (taken from) I thought this was intresting...

George.. Yes there are still people reading it after 22 pages :D. Well I never thought about that... and yes the commercial does show poor hanging tequniques... I wonder if people have gotten hurt yet or not.

Just thought I would chime in on this one, if anyone is still reading along after 22 pages?
I guess tomato plants are really popular like roses!!

Maybe you should start a thread on roses? I would be very interested, I have sooo many.

Also I thought, does that company know what a full grown tomato plant weighs? Because I picture people handing them on little bitty hooks then getting concussions and suing them when they break off of there....

I have had to put extra support on my fence and still worry about pulling the fence down.:p

Any way my thinking is, you can grow your bucketed tomato right side up, with or without a stake until it starts to set little green fruits, at which time you can invert it and hang it up, the weight of the fruits causing it to hang down straight. Within a day or two the individual leaves on the stem will have turned themselves around to face the sun just like a sunflower does.

Maybe something for next year, if I survive this year.:)

In the past growing container plants my tomatoes did best in soil in the garden rather than in containers but I have grown some really great peppers in big containers as the plants are much smaller when fully grown.

I have had various results, I have one in the ground now that is a baby and the others in pots I am tieing back.:confused:

:) Greetings fellow Botanists :)

Edition II

Edition I of, “Links for UDT Thread”
Page 2 to 16 Post 154
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/gardening-plants/upside-down-tomatoes-352932-16.html

Page Seventeen ~ 17:
Post 164:
http://www.answers.com/library/Dictionary%20for%20Gardeners-cid-4627]Gardeners Dictionary
Plant Answers (http://www.plantanswers.com/garden_column/apr03/4.htm)
A FEMALE-STERILE MUTANT IN THE TOMATO -- HONMA and PHATAK 55 (3): 143 -- Journal of Heredity (http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/pdf_extract/55/3/143)
Wiley InterScience (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/119116244/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0)

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Green Fruit Disorders - Tomato Problem Solver | Aggie Horticulture (http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/publications/tomatoproblemsolver/green/)

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Post 171:
It's Fiesta Time (http://davesgarden.com/guides/articles/view/1523/)

Post 175:
Wild About Mushrooms: Morels (http://www.mssf.org/cookbook/morels.html)

“Nested Quotes” an example is in/on UDT Page 17 ~ Post 163
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/gardening-plants/upside-down-tomatoes-352932-17.html

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Post 186: You can read 'bout it here: NASA - The Mars Hoax Goes Viral (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/mars/news/mars-20090609.html) snopes.com: Mars Close to Earth (http://www.snopes.com/science/astronomy/brightmars.asp)
SPACE.com -- Mars Hoax Circulates: 'Big as the Moon!'
It's at the bottom here: NASA - Science@NASA (http://science.nasa.gov/) Mars in August 2009 (http://www.otastro.org/Mars2005/)
For Satellite Observation Heavens-Above Home Page (http://www.heavens-above.com/)

Post 188: Picture of Just Dahlia's first Tom.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/gardening-plants/upside-down-tomatoes-352932-19.html

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Post 193:The end of the Mayan Calendar 12-21-2012
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMI_enUS335&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=time+for+12-21-2012]The end of the Mayan Calendar 12-21-2012

Post 198: Prehistoric Intensive Agriculture in the Mayan Lowlands -- Turner 185 (4146): 118 -- Science (http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/citation/185/4146/118)
Mayan agriculture - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Mayan+agriculture&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=&cad=h)

Post 200: Disease Management in Home-Grown Tomatoes (http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/pubs/plantsci/hortcrop/pp659w.htm#non-parasitic)

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Post 201: Annual plant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_plant)

Post 204: Fungi world photo selection 2 (http://www.fungiworld.co.uk/browse2.htm) Hort Blog (http://buckshort.blogspot.com/)

Post 205: http://www.fungiworld.co.uk/images/fungi206L.jpg (mature mushroom)
http://www.fungiworld.co.uk/images/fungi234L.jpg (young mushroom) .

Post 206: Mayan glyphs - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMI_enUS335&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Mayan+glyphs)
The Greeks also: Greek fire - Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_fire)

Post 209: Jaris' Dreamspell Page 5 (http://www.geocities.com/dreamingbones/dreamspell5.html)

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Post 211: Coprinoid Mushrooms: The Inky Caps (MushroomExpert.Com) (http://www.mushroomexpert.com/coprinoid.html)

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A dinner plate Dahlia
Page 18 post 180 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/gardening-plants/gardening-plants/gardening-plants/gardeni...352932-18.html

What does dirt weigh?
http://www.convert-me.com/bb_en/viewtopic.php?p=6018


That's it for now......If anyone finds a typo, let me know and
I'll make reference to it in the next edition.

Hi! George Leigh, and Welcome to UDT :)


Just thought I would chime in on this one, if anyone is still reading along after 22 pages? I guess tomato plants are really popular like roses!!Sure George, any and all contributions are greatly appreciated. I wanted to respond sooner, but was busy with the nftb newsletter, and updating the UDT links. 22 Pages? Never in my wildest dreams. If you haven't, take some time to look back.

The idea that our Roving Botanist, Dr. Just Dahlia phd.udt. has 'bout starting your own thread on roses sounds like a wonderful idea!

Her pix on page 18 post 180 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/gardening-plants/upside-down-tomatoes-352932-18.html a dinner plate Dahlia still leaves me speechless, For some reason I started hearing Peruvian Flute Music and still do when I view it. (My apologies for not complimenting you sooner Dr. D..."Ouch" wadya do dat for?)


Have grown fields full of tomato plants and I too saw that commercial and thought, I could do that, just like you did. Also I thought, does that company know what a full grown tomato plant weighs? Because I picture people handing them on little bitty hooks then getting concussions and suing them when they break off of there....I'm estimating my UDT weighed in at 80lbs when I hung it Convert-Me.Com - online units conversion :: View topic - Weight of Dirt (http://www.convert-me.com/bb_en/viewtopic.php?p=6018) (didn't feel like a bag of Cment) one reason I used 1.5” bar stock.
From past experience I knew the bucket handle would probably not last, that's why I added the 12/3 romex. The camera was acting up when I took the pix, but the roladex says its on page 12 post 112 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/gardening-plants/upside-down-tomatoes-352932-12.html



Any way my thinking is, you can grow your bucketed tomato right side up, with or without a stake until it starts to set little green fruits, at which time you can invert it and hang it up, the weight of the fruits causing it to hang down straight. Within a day or two the individual leaves on the stem will have turned themselves around to face the sun just like a sunflower does.Looks like an easier way to get started, do you think the bucket should have a lid to keep the dirt in or would it cake, and stay in by itself?


Also folks be careful what kind of bucket you use, best to start out with a brand new one to avoid any kind of plant diseases.That's sage advice!


In the past growing container plants my tomatoes did best in soil in the garden rather than in containers but I have grown some really great peppers in big containers as the plants are much smaller when fully grown. I can't shake the notion “The larger the container, the bigger the plant”. The largest container I know is Good ol' Mother Earth.

Well... Its been nice chatting with Ya George, I have to go and check on some 'shrooms for binx and firmbeliever.

Ketch Ya Later... k

B and firmb I checked for 'shrooms... Stop :)

Nothing!. Stop :(

Believe micro-climate too dry!. Stop :eek:

Will check again in the morn.. after storms roll though... Stop :)

K... I believe you may be correct there. The Micro-climate might be too dry.. are there more days then just this one when you don't see said 'shrooms appear? Seasonal varients in the same season always wreak havoc on 'shrooms.. we had some beautiful ones growing here (I've got to get my camera charged) but once the dampness in the air and the coolness in the morning has changed they are no longer there *cries* Love the new edition of links.. I feel so special when I see my own links in there :D though on page twenty post 193. Maybe we should state what the link is for? *just adding advice *

K...I believe you may be correct there. the Micro-climate might be too dry.. are there more days then just this one when you dont see said 'shrooms appear?Hard to tell, this is the longest dry spell we've had for 'bout 5 weeks.
It did sprinkle for less then a minute today at 6:10am edt that's the first since last Friday evening.
I've been known to portage H2O to try and get another spawn for the Morels.

I just checked, Radar looks ominous and NWS put up a HAZ alert for us:

HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE STATE COLLEGE PA
1011 AM EDT SAT JUL 11 2009

PAZ004>006-010>012-017>019-024>028-033>037-041-042-045-046-049>053-
056>059-063>066-121415-
1011 AM EDT SAT JUL 11 2009

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA.

.DAY ONE... TODAY AND TONIGHT.

THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS THIS AFTERNOON AND
EVENING... AS A COLD FRONT PUSHES ACROSS THE REGION. THE MAIN
THREATS WOULD BE FOR DAMAGING WIND GUSTS AND HAIL... BUT TORNADOES MAY BE POSSIBLE.

Darn!. and I was going to get my hair done! :mad:

There is a short wave that should hit 'bout 4pm edt, then the main 'bout 8pm


Seasonal varients in the same season always wreak havoc on 'shrooms.. we had some beautiful ones growing here (i've got to get my camera charged) but once the dampness in the air and the coolness in the morning has changed they are no longer there *cries*Someone needs to start a poll for more smiley's
Love the new edition of links.. I feel so special when i see my own links in there :D though on page twenty post 193. maybe we should state what the link is for? *just adding advice *Not sure what's up with that one? Did the usual, went to preview, and that's usually when the server puts the tag in, BUT not this time.

Luckily AMHD has a long edit time (I seen up to 24hrs.) and I was able to add a line. See if that's okay.

K

Well I hope you don't get any hail, tornadoes or windgusts that are too bad... Its been dry, Hot. Around 28 c today so its been nice. Supposed to get mild rainshowers to 1 to 3 mm of rain in the next two days.

I do agree... hmmm where would said poll about smilies be put and what smilie options should be on said poll... *thinks*

The Tagline for the link looks good to me... :D I had to say something. It stood out to me and your right AMHD does usually add the taglines

Well i hope you dont get any hail, tornadoes or windgusts that are too bad... Its been dry, Hot. Around 28 c today so its been nice. supposed to get mild rainshowers to 1 to 3 mm of rain in the next two days. Satellite/Radar show diminishing returns.

I do agree... hmmm where would said poll about smilies be put and what smilie options should be on said poll... *thinks*In that it is a system improvement it needs to be in the Forum Community section for best exposure.
As all thoughtful members like me :rolleyes: should do,
I searched "creating a poll" no results... well, 3, but nothing relevant
Then "Polls" 235 results, still nothing relevant to creation.

So AMHD has them, but I couldn't find how to create.
Go to feedback Feedback - Ask Me Help Desk (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/feedback/).
Ask question 'bout :) poll and/or why there's a paucity of them.
I'm sure you'll get an answer.

Two simple Polls:
Do you favor an increase in Smiley's Yes No
Do you favor an increase in Smiley's per post? Yes No
If you like, use my "quotecode" for 2 simple polls in your question.


The Tagline for the link looks good to me... Okay

B and firmb I checked for 'shrooms... Stop :)

Nothing! Again... Stop :(

Still Believe micro-climate too dry!. Stop :eek:

Will water late tonight... check again in the morn... Stop :)

Taken from first link of NASA Search Results: tomatoes in space (http://search.nasa.gov/search/search?q=tomatoes+in+space&btnG.x=0&btnG.y=0&btnG=GO&cx=015120938291988892029%3Aka38_jv-tpy&client=google-csbe&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&adkw=AELymgU4b7aS_e045pDOWb3MjLELxHg3dhwlzyGrB3-NN7_VOz0GgzbsjH-JF4emYgCpTas4XVyRcxLjRRMyBP2njGCmhoRJBNheQgFOQvTn3 trl__dmHA1li9xdbcJ_FiI3AelGJG_YGtoot0mg-HRzi6ieCvuAh_Vt9Rv9bvZMopDbPR2wwfLsIHq8_4ZvaCC5SyG KMKG2gl3BbjhqtBxemKqS-STN8g&hl=en&boostcse=0)

Space tomatoes have been popping up all over the world.
In fact, more than 3.3 million budding student scientists and
64,000 teachers in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and
34 foreign countries have grown and compared space-exposed
tomatoes with earth-based tomatoes.

NASA - Space Exposed Experiment Developed for Students (Education-SEEDS) (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/science/experiments/Education-SEEDS.html)

Space Exposed Experiment Developed for Students - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Space+Exposed+Experiment+Developed+for+Students)

NASA Search Results: plants in space (http://search.nasa.gov/search/search?q=plants+in+space&btnG.x=25&btnG.y=6&btnG=GO&cx=015120938291988892029%3Aka38_jv-tpy&client=google-csbe&output=xml_no_dtd&adkw=AELymgXRBk7-zDR-Z_ngD8fZ1DE25q62bCkMEwwgsmaWEWmBBTUtwX-DVkw_oF5-nKqzw7qvecYUURtwryTxUiHAGe-IkSd3E8KmGUh3QuMrxnVtNbHpWX92c_rr7pkmLtIOvnmqtFu6S nbTgSE2AZ40KYTZaT8Grw5cU1XNuN6bOksoNcpinlOuuArQIAm _CSvEFNp87su8S2Qoyj_GP_kSLf--MfeYvA&hl=en&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF-8&boostcse=0)

I have an email to
Park Seed: Seeds in Space (http://www.parkseed.com/gardening/GP/gatepage/seeds-in-space)
I will let you know the results.

And of course images:
NASA Photo Index 18 (http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/station/crew-6/inflight/ndxpage18.html) has images on pgs 17, 18, and one on 19

K

I've been remiss about posting, way too busy:eek:

I have not read all the posts, but I will in the next couple days, because it seems like we are going back into the 100's, not a whole lot to do outside at that point, except in the morning (which is best):)

UDT has spurted (?) I now have 12 toms and they seem to be growing rapidly.

I have eaten 3 toms (all Mama Mia) but in 1 or 2 days time, I will have some biggies!:D DH going out of town, so I will have them all to myself.

I noticed no 'Rose thread' yet:confused: and I just had a big problem with my 'Nancy Reagan (sp?) had to cut her WAY back.:(

Hope everybody is eating tomatoes!! :D

I've been remiss about posting, way too busy:eek: I have not read all the posts, but I will in the next couple days, because it seems like we are going back into the 100's, not a whole lot to do outside at that point, except in the morning (which is best):)So divinely is the world organized that every one of us, in our place and time, is in balance with everything else.
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
German dramatist, novelist, poet, & scientist (1749 – 1832)

I have a saying: “I am always where I need to be”, I think I would have liked Goethe.

100's again?

UDT has spurted (?) I now have 12 toms and they seem to be growing rapidly. I have eaten 3 toms (all Mama Mia) but in 1 or 2 days time, I will have some biggies!:D DH going out of town, so I will have them all to myself.I'm jealous! You know that hint of pink? Well its still hinting, I'm up to 26 toms and their all changing to Lt. Green but no red.
Now what page was jmjoseph's recipe on???



I noticed no 'Rose thread' yet:confused: and I just had a big problem with my 'Nancy Reagan (sp?) had to cut her WAY back :( Sorry to hear 'bout Nancy. We have a miniature “been so long we don't remember the name rose”.
What we like 'bout it is when it blooms, the roses are multi-colored.

Your welcome to hang your hat here. We can make every other week Rose week.
Hmm... I wonder if we ask Mr. curlyben real nice.
He would adjust the title of the thread??

If you think of anything, throw it out there and we'll see if it sticks.

In the mean time... You know I couldn't resist...
Harkness Rose Care Guide (http://www.roses.co.uk/acatalog/harkness_rosecare_main.html)
Rose Care and Maintenance - Find it All in Everything Roses (http://www.your-healthy-gardens.com/rose-care.html)


Hope everybody is eating tomatoes!!!:D
I might just take that first one an try it!

JD... if I knew about roses I'd post something but sadly.. My nice rose bush has turned wild.. don't know what I did wrong to it.. I wish I knew how to prune it proper and what is the best fertalizer etc... :(
I know I'm eating tomatoes but they are from my neighbour..

K still no 'shrooms I see.. might just have to wait until they decide to re-appear. I love the nasa links.. :D I guessed they grew them on the space station.. now I wonder because of the atmosphere differentials (spelling? Please correct my spelling if its wrong) I noticed my word documents don't have a spell check :O...

"turned wild"? As in it's all thorny and not flowering the color/shape/size you bought it for? Or just overgrown because youhaven't pruned it? What kind of rose is it supposed to be?

Jo


JD... if i knew about roses i'd post something but sadly.. My nice rose bush has turned wild.. dont know what i did wrong to it.. i wish i knew how to prune it proper and what is the best fertalizer etc... :(
I know i'm eating tomatoes but they are from my neighbour..

I guess this thread isn't just about tomatoes any more.

Tick

Its been here so so long that I don't remember what rose bush it was.. the flowers used to be big , decent sized now they never get bigger then maybe twice the size of a loonie (Our Dollar Coin) The flowers used to be Cup sized (as in the bottom of a coffee mug or bigger) and they used to be deep red now they are lighter then they used to be.. they are also over grown because when I am always worried about pruining roses
Tick.. I don't think it was ever just a tomato thread LOL

I guess this thread isnt just about tomatoes any more.

tickNow that we have expended voluminous (gratuitous use of a word) quantities of energy for our Charges,
It has become a slow time, waiting for fruition.

Besides, we have to have something to talk about over winter :rolleyes:

That's why I'm encouraging any topic pertaining to G&P, including the adjustment to the title,
Such as, UDT ~ G & P?. I smell a contest!!! wish I could have more smiley's

By the way, now is the time to start planning nexxxt years garden... :eek:

K

I am thinking of what to do next year for my garden already. K, JD.. you both have helped me decide I am going with some TOMS.. hehe yes what else would we talk about over winter.. Unless... we make greenhouses :D...

I've got to get off my comfy couch and petition for more smilies...

K, I think you should start a thread on roses or new gardens for next year before they take your 'Sticky' away.:eek:

K, I think you should start a thread on roses or new gardens for next year before they take your 'Sticky' away.:eek:I did not think that probable. Possible, but not probable.

A PM has been sent to our Forum Mod for clarification.

K

I have received a response from our Moderator curlyben on a clarification of the discussion from page 23 Last half of post 225 to page 24 post 232.

I will not divulge the contents of that PM.
Suffice it to say, it pertained to adjusting the direction of UDT.
This is my interpretation of that conversation.


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Traditions being strong here at AMHD. The consensus is, to maintain the Upside down Tomatoes thread as it was intended to be.

I take this moment, to Thank curlyben for allowing us the leeway in taking UDT to the heights that it has gained now, and in the future.

There are, several options:
A Thread on Roses would have to be started We can use this thread to pick a meaningful topic A new thread on tomatoes for next years Gardening has been suggested A poll can be created, if requested, but only by an Admin with a rating of Super or above.

The floor is now open for discussion.

K

My opinion would be... :rolleyes:
Only talk about tomatoes here (I had a feeling there would be a problem, the way it was heading)

Start new thread on Roses (I think that would be interesting and informative):) at least to me

Start new thread on getting garden set up for next years produce I need some ideas, there was one started a while ago by Startover (I think), but it dwindled out, so I didn't get much info. (something to talk about over the winter):D I'm thinking about a raised garden.

OOOPS! ::looks around:: (forgot about rule #1) My tomatoes are doing great:rolleyes:

Sounds good to me.. I think maybe a two way split thread on garden building/planting ideas and Roses... that way it could really cover both and both are quite (correction... )both would be very helpful and informative to everyone. Plus at the same time being convienant.. though I could understand if it was single separate threads
*maybe we could do flowers in generall... just an idea*

*edit, adding this* I posted my rose question in the gardening forum where this is... in a new thread... Thinking maybe we should start a 'shroom thread sometime maybe too

My opinion would be.....:rolleyes: Only talk about tomatoes here (I had a feeling there would be a problem, the way it was heading) Start new thread on Roses (I think that would be interesting and informative):) at least to me At some point cb would have probably intervened, that point was reached sooner because of our desire to expand, and
By my courtesy in asking before I went “Boldly where others had gone before” and they had gotten slammed for it.
(“When you live in my house, You live by my rules”)

Start new thread on getting garden set up for next years produce I need some ideas, there was one started a while ago by Startover (I think), but it dwindled out, so I didn't get much info. (something to talk about over the winter):D I'm thinking about a raised garden. OOOPS! ::looks around:: (forgot about rule #1) My tomatoes are doing great:rolleyes:I believe the thread you are referring to is this one by Startover22;
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/gardening-plants/starting-new-garden-ground-up-201757.html


Sounds good to me.. i think maybe a two way split thread on garden building/planting ideas and Roses... that way it could really cover both and both are quite (correction.... )both would be very helpful and informative to everyone. Plus at the same time being convienant.. though i could understand if it was single separate threads *maybe we could do flowers in generall... just an idea*That is the general premise; “The questions and answers that follow the “Thread Starter” have to relate to it”.



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In looking over the UDT thread I have found at least 73 links for reference to the discussions we have had.

There are 34 topics that could be started and carry themselves, in other areas of AMHD. A Thread on Roses  nasa links. Quotations Space tomatoes forum improvement NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE Micro-climate ethnobotanists and medical researchers birthday's Tattoo's climatology Mayan Culture Mayan Agriculture (ISS) International Space Station Astronomy Satellite tracking Internet Hoaxes Guidance in using computers guidance in using AmHD recipes for toms asexuality a·sex'u·al'i·ty (-ăl'ĭ-tē) n. Plant propagation Popculture Film Noir' slug controll Are You Prepared For Heat Emergencies? Culinary arts poetry Physics Geography Language and translational skills Photography building plans greenhouses Plant Physiology  Anyone is more than welcome to garnish any Topic or link reference to start another thread.


After 'bout the first month I started thinking “this is turning into a blog”, and I'd better watch that we stay on topic.
I was trying at first, then after it became a “sticky”,
I only tried to maintain a “as long as it pertains to Gardening and Plants” position.

I'll be the first to admit some of it was a stretch :rolleyes:
I don't know 'bout you, but I'll also say, I've had fun, and
I apologize if I've stepped on anyone's toes.

I'm still open for business, but I need to redirect from here on anyway.
So I'll be slowin' down.
The last NFTB till October will be on July 31st

Second week of August to the end of September, the DW and I are going on holiday to a place known only to us, batteries not included, and if we need to use the cell,
Its 3.36 miles back. In the truck.


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I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance that I should have been by any epaulet I could have worn.

Henry David Thoreau
US Transcendentalist author (1817 - 1862)


K

Well... not to poo poo any previous posts BUT I have the first red tomato on my UDT!:D I'm pretty sure that gets me another prize ::listens for planes::

I have 4 ripe ones on my counter, not enough to make Salsa yet, but I have hopes. I have already ate 3 early girls and 3 Mama Mias.:)

I just need a ripening frenzy and the Salsa brigade will begin.:cool:

As soon as the sun goes behind the fence tonight, I will take a pic, unless I want to brave the 105 weather sooner:eek:

K.. who is going to baby sit your UDT while you are away that long?

Jamaica? :)

I love Mexico, and the food is just so fantastic ! They put fresh salsa on the table every meal, JD. You don't need a lot of tomatoes. I add fruit as well and lime juice and... and... all kinds of stuff, no just kidding.

I absolutely abhor canned salsa now that I have eaten so often in Mexico. They don't cook it !

Talk later and give you secrets, okay...


Tick

Well... not to poo poo any previous posts BUT I have the first red tomato on my UDT!:D I'm pretty sure that gets me another prize ::listens for planes::JD, your post was a sight for sore eyes. I haven't laughed that hard in months. :D... What's that?... Eddie just came in he wanted to know what all the commotion was 'bout. Tells me he'll be makin' another trip to the Big Island in a coupl'a weeks for pineapples. Said he'd put up the prize, an teach you how to fly.

I have 4 ripe ones on my counter, not enough to make Salsa yet, but I have hopes. I have already ate 3 early girls and 3 Mama Mias.:) I just need a ripening frenzy and the Salsa brigade will begin.:cool:I have 30 on BB. 5baseballs, 16tennis, 4ping pong, an 5shooters (think marbles)

As soon as the sun goes behind the fence tonight, I will take a pic, unless I want to brave the 105 weather sooner:eek:I'll have one of BB on Friday.

K..who is going to baby sit your UDT while you are away that long? Remember my neighbor that verified the contest answers? He'll water, and for payment, he gets to keep any that ripen. Remember the 4th? I hope we get at least one before we head out.

Jamaica? :)Well... it will be on an island, but the DW and me prefer the mountains.

K

Been out in the yard eyeing places for toms to go.. :D next year will sure be intresting if I can convince the DH to assist me with my toms until I can come home for summer break from college.. if not I guess I will have to maybe do some toms in pots and ferry them back with me to nova scotia (if it wouldn't stress them out) when I come back for the summer. (I love how college ends in April lol and not July like high school)
K I hope you and your DW do have a good trip when you go

Been out in the yard eyeing places for toms to go.. :D next year will sure be intresting if i can convince the DH to assist me with my toms until i can come home for summer break from college.. if not i guess i will have to maybe do some toms in pots and ferry them back with me to nova scotia (if it wouldnt stress them out) when i come back for the summer. (i love how college ends in april lol and not july like high school)
K i hope you and your DW do have a good trip when you go

Tell DH you'll pay him back triple for the slug sauce, that should do it!
Look for a salt-tolerant variety when you start.

There should be no ill effects with the ferry ride. Check though with the ShipLine they may have to be crated.
(like luggage on an airline, check 'em in and they take it from there)

Worst case... even though it is the same Country, they might not allow Export to the Island :(


5:15pm I know... Technically it's a peninsula... you even have your own Isthmus

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It's hard to see, but my DH took my camera on his trip and I was having trouble with his.

But there it is!! :D Baby that it is, maybe the others will be bigger.

Waiting... for the prize patrol... :rolleyes:


EDIT Well Poo, it didn't attach and it was there in the preview! I'll try again later.

You know, What this means... No pineapples for hubby...

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Again, it's here in the preview, so maybe it will show up. My dogs are getting groomed while I was doing this and I always get a little nervous when they are not around, so I am blaming it on that.:)


EDIT: TAAA DAAA

JD.. WOoohooo pretty toms..

K... salt-tolerant because of my proximity to the ocean or because of the ferry ride across salt water itsself? I could always Drive them from New Brunswick to Nova Scotia instead of taking the ferry because DH would be driving up to visit randomly

Hi! Everyone :)

News from the Bucket (nftb), July 17th, 2009 ~ Vol. I ~ Edition XII:

After posting nftb last week, hasn't rained here 'til 'bout six hours ago.

Saw another post 'bout waterin' toms, and if I remember correctly, it referred to regularly grown toms.

Didn't follow the advice cause of BB being in a bucket.
After a day an a half, you can see how thirsty he is, not much mind you, maybe a quart.
For next year I'm going to haveta add perlite or those little round things like pearls
To absorb the water, then release it gradually.

Rainfall for the week at BBX 0.00” ~ KCXY 0.24”
Chance of Showers, T-storms today into tonight, POP 80~50%
New rainfall amounts between a tenth and, quarter inch except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms.

BB's still lookin' healthy, 5 more inches to 64 and girth to 42.
He's gained ten more toms, makes 30.
The DW tells me that her friends at work were saying their toms
Aren't ripening either, so I'll chalk it up to the weather.

Had 4hours of showers come through today for a total of 0.25, KCXY reported 0.24, and
We have another line expected 'round 10pm.

Been working on irrigation systems for BB and my other plants,
Can't wait to see my water bill, even on trickle.
I guess that's how it goes with the weather, feast or famine.

I have been working on repairing our sidewalk along the garden planter.
A Maple root pushed up a section of sidewalk... Not sure where to post it...
There are a few questions here in G&P 'bout roots...
Maybe Home improvement :confused:
I'll leave a pix.


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let there be laughter and the sharing of pleasures.
For in the dew of little things
the heart finds its morning and is refreshed.

Kahlil Gibran, His book, The Prophet
Lebanese artist & poet in US (1883 - 1931)


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K... salt-tolerant because of my proximity to the ocean or because of the ferry ride across salt water itsself? I could always Drive them from New Brunswick to Nova Scotia instead of taking the ferry because DH would be driving up to visit randomlyBoth. Why not try one or several of each? For comparison.

K. wow bummer about the root.. I think I'd post something in home improvement or exterior home improvement or the "other home and garden" section.. and hmm that's actually what its called

Good idea there. One of each would give a very good comparison of how they both would do in that and moving through that environment

I was soooo impressed with your UDT BB, that I was going to make a comment and then I saw your anaconda root :eek: and got really impressed with the Saw. I forgot what I was doing and gave you a greenie for the Saw!:p
I have one of those, but not allowed to use it when DH is in town. ::SHHHH::

Sorry about the concrete, I have had to deal with something like that, but lucky for me just bricks (which was a pain) It took me two years to kill some Poplar roots that went all through my garden. (another story) I'm good now.:)