My friend got in to accident in a company vehicle. It was his fault but no one was hurt and there was no alcohol or drugs in system. It was just a normal every day accident. My question is how can the company make him pay for the damages out his pocket. The company has fully covered insurance on all there vehicles. Is that even leagel

Need more info - the employer is refusing to turn the accident over to the insurance company OR the employer is asking your friend to pay the deductible?

What does the employment contract say?

And, yes, if the employer takes your friend to Court for the deductible, the employer will undoubtedly win.

I'm an accident investigator - what is a normal, every day accident?

Need more info - the employer is refusing to turn the accident over to the insurance company OR the employer is asking your friend to pay the deductible?

What does the employment contract say?

And, yes, if the employer takes your friend to Court for the deductible, the employer will undoubtedly win.

I'm an accident investigator - what is a normal, every day accident?

My friend did not pay the deductible he had to the (full price of damages ) it was pay or loose your job and his boss made him sign a piece of paper saying he would pay. Also a normal accident means not (HIGH /DRUNK) while on your way to work in the morning.

my friend did not pay the deductible he had to the (full price of damages ) it was pay or loose your job and his boss made him sign a piece of paper saying he would pay. also a normal accident means not (HIGH /DRUNK) while on your way to work in the morning.

Also my friend never went to court. His boss did not turn it in to insurance company and kept the money for his self. I assume that's what happened I don't know.

also my friend never went to court. his boss did not turn it in to insurance company and kept the money for his self. i assume thats what happened i don't know.
Your friend should talk with the claims adjuster who handled the accident and also find out what an employee's responsibility is for damages when he is at fault in an accident with a company car.

Your friend should talk with the claims adjuster who handled the accident and also find out what an employee's responsibility is for damages when he is at fault in an accident with a company car.

There was no claims ajuster who handled the accident it was closed case either you pay for all damages or loose your job the only person my friend talked to was his boss. What I'm trying to say nothing went on the books leagely that's my friends boss did what did and got away with it.

there was no claims ajuster who handled the accident it was closed case either you pay for all damages or loose your job the only person my friend talked to was his boss. what im trying to say nothing went on the books leagely thats my friends boss did what did and got away with it.
Was the car repaired? You know for sure this is what happened?

Was the car repaired? You know for sure this is what happened?

Yes I know for sure I used to work there. Yes but it was not for about a year after the accident the truck was finally fixed.

yes i know for sure i used to work there. yes but it was not for about a year after the accident the truck was finally fixed.
Who paid for the repairs? How was the amount of damage determined? Is this a small company, and is the boss the owner?

Who paid for the repairs? How was the amount of damage determined? Is this a small company, and is the boss the owner?

Boss is not the owner. My friend paid for the repairs total was $2200 dollars and the company is not small they are nation wide. Also this happened to more than 1 person.

boss is not the owner. my friend payed for the repairs total was $2200 dollars and the company is not small they are nation wide. also this happened to more than 1 person.
Is there an HR department? What are the terms of employment with respect to accidents?

Did the same boss do this with other employees? If so, why hasn't the company noticed damaged vehicles and heard about this scam?

Is there an HR department? What are the terms of employment with respect to accidents?

Did the same boss do this with other employees? If so, why hasn't the company noticed damaged vehicles and heard about this scam?

I'm not sure what the company policy is on accidents. The company knows about the accidents but they are in on it and let it happen.

A national company?? I wonder if you have your facts straight.

Your friend should find out the company policy regarding accidents when driving company vehicles.

A national company????? I wonder if you have your facts straight.

Your friend should find out the company policy regarding accidents when driving company vehicles.

If I'm not mistaken I don't think that we were allowed to see the company policy. They would consider that a threat.

if im not mistaken i don't think that we were allowed to see the company policy. they would consider that a threat.

A threat?

That makes no sense.

Most companies, especially a huge corporation, have a handbook for all employees stating company policy. Why would it be considered a threat to state company policy?

Something doesn't sound right here.

if im not mistaken i don't think that we were allowed to see the company policy. they would consider that a threat.
Oh, c'mon! A nationwide company? Any company worth its salt doesn't operate like that. Does the company have a web site?

A threat?

That makes no sense.

Most companies, especially a huge corporation, have a handbook for all employees stating company policy. Why would it be considered a threat to state company policy?

Something doesn't sound right here.

Let me put it this way a friend of I worked with at the same company got hurt on the job they (tried to make it look like it never happened) this very true it is no joke that's kind of people I used to work for.

Oh, c'mon! A nationwide company? Any company worth its salt doesn't operate like that. Does the company have a web site?

Yes they have a web site but I will not release that information. No offence I don't know who you are. Believe what you want I don't care. I know what on there I worked there.

let me put it this way a friend of i worked with at the same company got hurt on the job they (tried to make it look like it never happened) this very true it is no joke thats kind of people i used to work for.
Then why has no one ever gone to a lawyer about this?

Then why has no one ever gone to a lawyer about this?

Many people have tried and failed. Its hard to prove a company wrong when you no actual evidence, documentation, or even a witness to what goes on exspeaily if they work there. I seen the boss fire a crew of guys one time because they went off to take lunch. No lie.

many people have tried and failed. its hard to prove a company wrong when you no actual evidence, documentation, or even a witness to what goes on exspeaily if they work there. i seen the boss fire a crew of guys one time because they went off to take lunch. no lie.
I'm sorry, but I find it difficult to believe you. The workers are the witnesses. A lawyer would get a court order to see the company policy if the company would not give it to him voluntarily. If all this were true, it would be on the front page of the newspaper.

I'm sorry, but I find it difficult to believe you. The workers are the witnesses. A lawyer would get a court order to see the company policy if the company would not give it to him voluntarily. If all this were true, it would be on the front page of the newspaper.

Like I said only if you worked there you would understand. The bigger the pocket the bigger the political power.

like i said only if you worked there you would understand. the bigger the pocket the bigger the political power.
Are you sure you are not just a disgruntled worker? My husband and I have worked for several nation-wide companies who were always very upfront with company policy, etc. Companies don't have that much power over employees who, if something smells funny, will take off for lawyers quicker than you can wink.

Are you sure you are not just a disgruntled worker? My husband and I have worked for several nation-wide companies who were always very upfront with company policy, etc. Companies don't have that much power over employees who, if something smells funny, will take off for lawyers quicker than you can wink.

I respect your opinion but have you ever worked for s scab corporation that does not believe in taking lunch will work 16, 18 , and sometimes 24hrs straight. Then make you drive from one job to the next with no sleep. While you are on the road they don't won't you to ask for time off they try to keep you on the road and out of state so you work 7 days a week month after month pulling in 90 to 100 hr pay checks sometimes even more. Every week.

i respect your opinion but have you ever worked for s scab corporation that does not believe in taking lunch will work 16, 18 , and sometimes 24hrs straight. then make you drive from one job to the next with no sleep. while you are on the road they don't wont you to ask for time off they try to keep you on the road and out of state so you work 7 days a week month after month pulling in 90 to 100 hr pay checks sometimes even more. every week.
Why would someone work for such a company? And not report them?

Why would someone work for such a company? and not report them?

Who are you going to report it to. What labor board, osha. Same rules apply when in court who's the judge going to believe you or the cop. Why work there I don't know. It's the only way I know how to bread on table.

who are you going to report it to. what labor board, osha. same rules apply when in court who's the judge going to believe you or the cop. why work there i don't know. its the only way i know how to bread on table.
Call an attorney who deals with labor questions, and get a free consultation. You don't go to court until the lawyer has amassed evidence for your case. What cop?? There are other companies to work for.

Does your friend have a copy of the waiver he signed? Did he pay that money by check? Those are two pieces of evidence.

Call an attorney who deals with labor questions, and get a free consultation. You don't go to court until the lawyer has amassed evidence for your case. What cop??????? There are other companies to work for.

Does your friend have a copy of the waiver he signed? Did he pay that money by check? Those are two pieces of evidence.

They would never give a copy of waver to him like you said that's evidence no check was paid. They took it out of his paycheck each week. They cop and court was a figure of speech.

they would never give a copy of waver to him like you said thats evidence no check was paid. they took it out of his paycheck each week. they cop and court was a figure of speech.
He has paycheck stubs showing larger amounts taken out for a period?

He has paycheck stubs showing larger amounts taken out for a period of time?

12 dollars a week

12 dollars a week
With no line item explanation?

Something is not right here - I'm an accident investigator. I'm assuming (and I won't know because OP refuses to post the circumstances, keeps quoting the "normal accident" language) that property damage of SOME kind was involved (car "friend" was in was damaged) - so who paid for that?

There's a cop; no, there's no cop, that's a figure of speech.

Not buying it.

12 dollars a week
That's almost a year's worth of paychecks for $2200.

What does he make per hour?

With no line item explanation?

You got that right. My friend finally did quit working there came back 6 months later worked 1 week brought home $700 dollars they had to fire him because of piss that he failed now when he came back that 1 week of work was striped from him because he still owed on the truck and the boss took his paycheck

Something is not right here - I'm an accident investigator. I'm assuming (and I won't know because OP refuses to post the circumstances, keeps quoting the "normal accident" language) that property damage of SOME kind was involved (car "friend" was in was damaged) - so who paid for that?

There's a cop; no, there's no cop, that's a figure of speech.

Not buying it.

There's nothing to buy you didn't work there.

That's almost a year's worth of paychecks for $2200.

What does he make per hour?

10.00 dollars per hr

10.00 dollars per hr
You and your friend can't find a better job than that and work for a more reputable company?

there's nothing to buy you didn't work there.



Is your "friend's" attitude anything like yours?

You and your friend can't find a better job than that and work for a more reputable company?

There is?nt much work were we live.

there is?nt much work were we live.
Where do you live? What's your education level and job experience?

Is your "friend's" attitude anything like yours?

Yes because he woud ?nt want a dum a#% jumping in conversation you no nothing about. If you were so good at your job accident investigater stuff like this woud?nt to happen to people.

Where do you live? What's your education level and job experience?

Maryland with 2 high scool diplomas 1 from votech honors in wielding and metals technology. As of right now unemployed

yes because he woud ?nt want a dum a#% jumping in conversation you no nothing about. if you were so good at your job accident investigater stuff like this woud?nt to happen to people.
Judy knows about it because she can read about it on the open board where you posted as much as I could pull out of you. And people report fraud and unfair practices to her so she can fix the situation and make it right. You and your friend haven't reported this to a lawyer or investigator, so that's why I'm digging, to see if you have a case.

maryland with 2 high scool diplomas 1 from votech honors in weilding and metals technology. as of right now unemployed
How old are you, and have you searched much for jobs?

Judy knows about it because she can read about it on the open board where you posted as much as I could pull out of you. And people report fraud and unfair practices to her so she can fix the situation and make it right. You and your friend haven't reported this to a lawyer or investigator, so that's why I'm digging, to see if you have a case.

I apologise I didn't know

How old are you, and have you searched much for jobs?

I look every day no luck

i look every day no luck
Your age?

your age?

26

26
Have you messed around with drugs on or off the job? Could you come up with 3 references that say you're a good worker?

Have you messed around with drugs on or off the job? Could you come up with 3 references that say you're a good worker?

No drugs yes 3 references

no drugs yes 3 references
What kind of jobs have you been applying for, are looking for?

What kind of jobs have you been applying for, are looking for?

Any kind construction, warehouse, factory, lumber yard, electrical work. No one is hiring

no drugs yes 3 references
Who failed the "piss" test, you or your friend?

any kind construction, warehouse, factory, lumber yard, electrical work. no one is hiring
Are you near a big town or a city?

Who failed the "piss" test, you or your friend?

My friend

Are you near a big town or a city?

No every big town is an hour away

no every big town is an hour away
Can you move closer to one? What about custodian jobs? Short-haul or delivery driver jobs? Long-haul driver jobs?

Can you move closer to one? What about custodian jobs? Short-haul or delivery driver jobs? Long-haul driver jobs?

Its hard getting custodian jobs I've tried delivery jobs nothing around here like that.

its hard getting custodian jobs ive tried delivery jobs nothing around here like that.
Why is it hard to get them? How about move closer to civilization?

Why is it hard to get them? How about move closer to civilization?

Can't move right now no wheels its hard getting a job because no work in my area 2 choices you someone or you get lucky.

cant move right now no wheels its hard getting a job because no work in my area 2 choices you someone or you get lucky.
Why no wheels?

Why no wheels?

Cond?nt make truck payment in time got repod

cond?nt make truck payment in time got repod
Are you getting unemployment compensation?

Are you getting unemployment?

Was deined

was deined
Why?

Does everybody know you around there?

Why?

I told the unemployment agency I quit do to un safe work practices of course they called my former employer got there side of the story and didn't like what they herd so I was denied.

Does everybody know you around there?

Family, a couple close friends that's it.

i told the unemployment agency i quit do to un safe work practices of course they called my former employer got there side of the story and didn't like what they herd so i was denied.
What unsafe work? What's the company's story? Who's telling the truth?

What unsafe work? What's the company's story? Who's telling the truth?

I'm telling the truth but my word against thers I can't prove anything.

im telling the truth but my word against thers i can't prove anything.
Former coworkers won't agree with you? Why does the company say you left? Fired or quit?

Former coworkers won't agree with you? Why does the company say you left? fired or quit?

I quit the company said they fired me because was stealing fuel selling to get drugs that's what they told the unemployment agency why because I told the unemployment agency I quit do to un safe work practices to get back at me so they denied my unemployment again the companys I worked for are scab corporations they don't care

i quit the company said they fired me because was stealing fuel selling to get drugs thats what they told the unemployment agency why because i told the unemployment agency i quit do to un safe work practices to get back at me so they denied my unemployment again the companys i worked for are scab corporations they dont care
Your friend does drugs, but you don't? You've never had a question about your drug use come up with this company?

Your friend does drugs, but you don't? You've never had a question about your drug use come up with this company?

I have friends some do drugs personaly I don't care I don't drugs no drugs came up that was a lie by the company.

i have friends some do drugs personaly i don't care i don't drugs no drugs came up that was a lie by the company.
Why then would they want to get rid of you if you're a good worker?

Why then would they want to get rid of you if you're a good worker?

Because a company does want to here about un safe work practices you're a threat

because a company does want to here about un safe work practices your a threat
You complained to the company and they fired you? What did you do that was unsafe?

You complained to the company and they fired you? What did you do that was unsafe?

I didn't do anything un safe I was tired of working for an un safe company so I quit

i didn't do anything un safe i was tired of working for an un safe company so i quit
Unsafe how?

Unsafe how?

Un safe on every thing the job, the equipment, the work

What on earth does this company do that everything is unsafe?? How is the equipment unsafe?

Why does anyone work for them?

How do you plan to get to work if you can get a job?

Do you smoke?

Need more info - the employer is refusing to turn the accident over to the insurance company OR the employer is asking your friend to pay the deductible?

What does the employment contract say?

And, yes, if the employer takes your friend to Court for the deductible, the employer will undoubtedly win.

I'm an accident investigator - what is a normal, every day accident?

The above is correct for its happen to my brother in law once

What on earth does this company do that everything is unsafe????? How is the equipment unsafe?

Why does anyone work for them?

People got to eat. I don?t know. Un safe some of the equipment is older then me. You can't have that stuff tools we work with is run down. You have to spend money to make money . They will buy a truck brand new and run it for 30 years.

What about landscaping, working for a nursery (plants), roofing, odd jobs until something comes along? The country is slowing coming out of the recession, so things will improve as the year goes on.

What about landscaping, working for a nursery (plants), roofing, odd jobs until something comes along? The country is slowing coming out of the recession, so things will improve as the year goes on.

I've been doing that my cousin owns a farm.

If that company is as bad as you say, the states attorney would like to know about it. You want their number?

How do you plan to get to work if you can get a job?

Do you smoke?

No I don?t smoke

no i don?t smoke
What about getting to work if you get a new job?

If that company is as bad as you say, the states attorney would like to know about it. You want their number?

No because what's done is done

What about getting to work if you get a new job?

I have a ride

Good. Go to your local public library and ask a reference librarian (not a cute clerk at the front desk) about all the job openings in your county.

Good. Go to your local public library and ask a reference librarian (not a cute clerk at the front desk) about all the job openings in your county.

Not a bad idea ill do that

not a bad idea ill do that
I work in a public library (for 100 years... ), and know people don't know about all sorts of openings. Maybe the library even has an opening.

I work in a public library (for 100 years....), and know people don't know about all sorts of openings. Maybe the library even has an opening.

Sounds goods

sounds goods
Be sure to let me know what happens.

Be sure to let me know what happens.

I will. Thank you for the advice and chatting. Got to go see you

I'm going offline to eat supper and watch Marley & Me (a Mother's Day gift from one of my sons). Be sure to let me know what happens with the library visit.