Looking for help to understand about Rapture -
a) What is Rapture?
b) Why is its signifance?
c) When is it expected to happen?

A. The Rapture is when Jesus comes and takes the believers from the earth
The Bible says it happens at the seventh trumpet.
B. The significance is the anti christ will be revealed at that time and life will be unbearable for the most part.
C. I believe it will happen within the next 5 to 12 yrs or at least in my life time.
People say you can not know when but the Bible says you can know the time and the season but not the day or the hour.

Hey no help Just wondering why do you think the Rapture will happen in the next 5-12 years?

Because everything the Bible says about end times is lining up. I believe we are already somewhere within one of the trumpets before the seventh trumpet
We are going into the global New World Order
The RFID chips are suppose to be mandatory to be implanted in us
Obama wants the smart grid stuff to happen asap

Increase of technology, Daniel 12:4 (NKJV) “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

1947 Israel became a nation and the fig tree rebloomed. The Bible says that tribulation is within a few generations of this time.

The Reunification of Europe; Daniel saw a revived Roman Empire (Reunification of Europe). Daniel 7:23-25 (NKJV) 23 “Thus he said: The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, Trample it and break it in pieces. 24 The ten horns are ten kings Who shall arise from this kingdom. And another shall rise after them; He shall be different from the first ones And shall subdue three kings. 25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute[a] the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time."
Source: European Trade Union Confederation (ETUC) May 1st, 2004 an historic moment in the Reunification of Europe. The date of May 1st, 2004 constitutes an historic moment in European Integration. It signifies much more than an enlargement of the European Union from 15 to 25 countries with 455 million inhabitants. It is in fact a real reunification of Europe which the Second World War had left divided against the will of its citizens.
Revelation-Signs-End-Times-Last-Days (http://www.spirit-of-glory.com/Revelation-End-Times.htm)

The end times people will be lovers of self and be like the days of Sodom and Gomorah.

Revelation 13:16-17 (NKJV) "He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or[a] the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

These are just some of the many things that are happening that the Bible says will happen when the tribulation is about to happen.

I like to see them try and get a RFID chip in me. Good point about the EU.

Never mind, after I ask my question, I saw that someone else ask the same question. How many times have we been warned that the end was coming soon?

Thanks No Help..!

Today I saw John Hagee with Glenn Beck on Youtube and he also said the same things which Joel Rosenberg said in his interview with Glenn Beck. Hagee has given 20 years time.

Even though we have been warned about the end times coming soon for generations, but this time is different. Rebirth of Isreal happened after 2000 years, "every eye will see" can happen now, explosion of information is happening now. What was prophecised two-three thousands years ago, is happening now.

I do not believe that the return of Jesus will be VERY soon because the Third Temple of Yahweh has not yet been built and it must be for Christ to remove the anti-Christ from the throne therein.
The Temple Mount is now in control by the Muslims and they are not about to release it enough for the Jews to build the temple thereon.
It could happen 20 years from now but I'm guessing more like 100 to 150 years or more.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Thanks for the post Fred.

About the Third Temple, nobody knows when would it happen, yet the situation in Middle East is pretty volatile. Some crazy dude can set the fire on, we don't know. It may happen today or in 200 hundred years. Only God knows.

I haven't finished preparing myself to see HIM, so I wish HE doesn't come so early. However, I never forget that what is in for me in the next minute, only HE knows.

Never mind, after I ask my question, I saw that someone else ask the same question. How many times have we been warned that the end was coming soon?

Warnings and seeing the signs all lining up are two different things.
The ''warnings'' of the past didn't line up with Revelations AND many of the things that had to go along with it hadn't happened yet. NOW everything is in place.

Triund,
True.
Everything is not yet in place for the second coming of Christs to happen, but it could start tomorrow.
If so the building of the third temple will take years to be accomplished IF it is build as the bible directs God's Temple to be built, cedars from Lebanon, no iron tolls to be used, etc.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

So building the temple is all that's left.
How many years would that take and does it have to be completely built before the anti christ is revealed?

I can see it being built any year now. But I still believe the anti christ will be revealed somewhere between 2015 and 2022.

I have to check into the temple being built more.

Well, I don't understand why anyone thinks the temple has to take YEARS to build. Who says it has to look like the temple that solomon had built? It can be done... if a nation can be formed in a day... ( Israel May 14, l1948) are you actually telling me a temple can't be built in record time? Please. From what I have read, the orthodox Jews have been gathering supplies for YEARS. Is anything too hard for the LORD?

No ONE knows the day or hour.. but we can know the times. ( Jesus said so) And while it is true that many have proclaimed the end times for a LONG time... the turning point is when Israel became a nation. Because isn't NUTTIN happening without her... we ARE close... even at the DOOR.

Incidentally, the temple will NOT be here as long as the church is here. The rapture can take place at any time. ( I know many don't believe in the rapture... thats too bad, its still coming and I'm still going... that was for all the JOHN HAGEE fans out there... lol ;))

First, you should understand that the rapture is already happening. People are dying day by day and getting judged.
The significance therefore is to give people who have not lived their life according to God's will another chance so as to be perfect as their Father in heaven is perfect and to reward those faithful servants in light with the glory of paradise.
It is happening already

Consult,

NO. The rapure is NOT already happening... it is appointed unto man ONCE to die and after that the judgement. People are DYING... they are not being raputure. (also note it doesn't say it is appointed ALL men once to die... Enoch didn't and neither did Elijah... )

Paul explains it like this... we who are ALIVE and REMAIN will meet the Lord in the air. ALIVE is the KEY word.

This temple to be built. What's that all about? Will contractors bid for the project. Will architects come up with plans? Will engineers sign off on it's structural integrity? Bathrooms? A sanctuary? Who is paying for this structure? Parking available? Who will own this building? Electricity, ac and heat? What are we going to be doing in there? Does Jesus have an office? Living in reality , means that my brain is always geared toward concrete logistics. What is the point of this building?

Cozyk,

Hmmm. IT WILL BE BUILT. Will contractors bid? Don't know but I doubt it... I won't be here when it all plays out but remember... Jesus will NOT be the first one that sits in it proclaiming he is GOD. The Antichrist will do that... and it won't go over real big with the Son of the Living God.

The point of the temple? The Jews want to sacrifice and worship God. There was only ONE place that could be done in the OT... it was the temple. I do not believe this will occur until after the rapture of the church but it WILL happen and the Jews will start sacrifices once again.

Every generation from the time of the resurection thought they were living in the last days. It really doesn't matter when its going to happen, what does matter is your relationship with God. Whatever we think about the end times is not going to effect when or how. The closer we get to the Lord, the less the things of this world hold an interest for us. What kind of clinched it for me was when I was a new believer, I was given a book about the end times and it showed how everything had fallen into place and the return couldn't be more than 5-10 years away. I got so excited because the book made so much sense and the author seemed so sincere, loving, and caring in warning us. Then I looked at the copyright date for this marvelous end times book... 1928!

Every generation from the time of the resurection thought they were living in the last days. It really doesn't matter when its going to happen, what does matter is your relationship with God. Whatever we think about the end times is not going to effect when or how. The closer we get to the Lord, the less the things of this world hold an interest for us. What kind of clinched it for me was when I was a new believer, I was given a book about the end times and it showed how everything had fallen into place and the return couldn't be more than 5-10 years away. I got so excited because the book made so much sense and the author seemed so sincere, loving, and caring in warning us. Then I looked at the copywrite date for this marvelous end times book...1928!!

Home,

Actually it DOES matter! If it didn't the Lord wouldn't have told us about it. In 1928 Israel wasn't even a nation... 20 years later it was! Also I might add that we are told to look for his coming, so what is wrong with that? We are very close and I do believe the key to end times is ISRAEL. I said it before and I will say it again we can't be in the last days without her.

I meant that we should be living our life walking in the spirit everyday as if today might be the day. It was the wicked and lazy servants who thought, "the master isn't coming back for a long time so let's live it up!"

home,

actually it DOES matter! If it didn't the Lord wouldn't have told us about it. In 1928 Israel wasn't even a nation....20 years later it was! Also I might add that we are told to look for his coming, so what is wrong with that? We are very close and i do believe the key to end times is ISRAEL. I said it before and i will say it again we can't be in the last days without her.

With the days closing in on us, are you going to do anything differently? Is that why the time matters?

This temple to be built. What's that all about? Will contractors bid for the project.? Will architects come up with plans? Will engineers sign off on it's structural integrity? Bathrooms? A sanctuary? Who is paying for this structure? Parking available? Who will own this building? Electricity, ac and heat? What are we going to be doing in there? Does Jesus have an office? Living in reality , means that my brain is always geared toward concrete logistics. What is the point of this building?

CozyK, I do not have enough information on my own on the Third Temple yet, but Jeol Rosenberg, who is expert in Middle East and Israel and had written books based on the Bible prophecies had said in an interview with Glenn Beck that the clothes for the Temple Priest are being sewn. If it is true then it means that everything is in place. The only wait is for the right time. Now when would that come, I don't know. You can watch Jeol Rosenberg interview with Glenn beck on Youtube.

Who are the contractors, who designed it, where is the money coming from, who are the plumber, electrician, mason, and general labour, who would supply wood, steel, cement etc, may be Jeol can tell you. I wish we had known when they were hiring. Many unemployed people in North America would had got jobs there.

With the days closing in on us, are you going to do anything differently? Is that why the time matters?

cozyk,

Great questions. First let me say it is soooo exciting to see the prophecies in the Bible come to pass EXACTLY like it says. Studying Daniel... wow it blows me away how accurate. In fact it is so accurate that critics say it was written AFTER most of the prophecies happened. It isn't true though. And the Lord Jesus himself called Daniel a PROPHET not an historian...

I think it makes me realize that this isn't all there is... meaning this earth, this world, my life. It is important to get the word out and take as many people with me as are willing to go.

I would also like to mention that so many things in prophecy Revelation, Daniel were really a S T R E T C H to believe. I mean a number on a forehead or right hand, to keep track of people, a one world religion and one world currency... ISRAEL as a nation again, and yet less than 100 years ago people believed it and taught it. It is just cool to be able to watch it unfold before our eyes.

Trund,

I am with you. I do believe the supplies are ready and waiting for the rebuilding of the temple. I don't know who this Joel guy is but I know who John Hagee is and I like him a lot. Have you read or know about Perry Stone. He has LOTS of info about behind the scenes in Israel. It is exciting...

All I know is everybody says move west of the Mississippi River but NOT the coastal states and be with others that are prepared.
Old time Preachers said prepare for the end and put your money in gold but if you aren't taking the RFID chip gold won't do you much good. I believe we need to start collecting seed and non perishable foods.

The Bible says woe to those that hide underground in those days which is exactly where the politicians plan to hide.
The Bible says something about being safe in the mountains but I have to study more on that.
Many people that are into New Age can tell you a lot about end times too.

Nohelp,

Jesus said to flee to the mountains and he was talking to the JEWS during the tribulation period. He warns them to run when the antichrist sets down in the temple and announces he IS GOD. I believe the Church is raptured before any of that takes place.

It is such a interesting subject, but I know many Christians that avoid it. They find it too scary.

What happens to all the sinners (like me) when Jesus comes and takes the faithful people up to heaven? And correct me if I am wrong but your actual human body goes up to heaven not just your soul?

I know it is going to be bad even before the anti christ is revealed. The Bible says the church is raptured at the seventh trumpet when the anti christ is revealed but if I read Revelations right the famine and 1/3 of the earth, food, water etc... is in the trumpets prior to that... therefore I think we need to be prepared for the 'beginning of the end' which is what I believe we are entering into within the next couple years.
I believe 2012 holds some significance while I don't believe it will be anything earth shattering it will be a notable date in events.

What happens to all the sinners (like me) when Jesus comes and takes the faithful people up to heaven? And correct me if i am wrong but your actual human body goes up to heaven not just your soul?

You either turn to God and pray he helps you through or you follow the anti christ and are doomed. The Bible does talk about Christians in the tribulation having God's seal so they do not get harmed. I don't know if that is people who turned away from God and then came back after the rapture or if it is also non believers that turn to God.
When you are raptured your whole body will be taken but it will be like one minute you are here the next you are with Jesus. Not like a bunch of people will be floating up in the air.

Well I didn't think people would be floating in the air. But what if you don't turn to god or don't turn to the antichrist. Or is not turning to God just basically turning to the antichrist?

If you take the RFID chip then you have turned to the anti christ. If you do not take the RFID chip then life is going to be about impossible because you won't be able to do anything... AT ALL. I am not sure how Christian in that time will survive but the Bible says they will have God's seal to protect them.
I figure that if the people in Jerusalem have to flee to the mountains it might be safer there for everyone.

Well As I stated earlier Let them try to put a RFID chip in me. They would have to kill me before I let them put a RFID chip in me. And I would Imagine that would be true for most Americans.

Yeah most the people I know that are into studying end times but not Christian say the same thing.
But so many couch potato people that go along with the system seem to be okay with it.
In fact there are videos on YouTube of people who are running out to get their RFID chip cause they think it is the latest fad or something.
The Bible says there will be something that is like leprosy in the end times. I believe it most likely will be a bad reaction to the chips.
It may take years for the chips to have a bad effect but I believe eventually they will.

I love technology. But not that much. I have never been the type to just go with the flow. For the life of me I can't see why anyone would want that in them. My vet asked if I wanted to put a tracking device in my cats I laughed at them.

All I know is everybody says move west of the Mississippi River but NOT the coastal states and be with others that are prepared.

I don't understand the thing of moving to the west of Mississipi River. Do you have more info on this?



Old time Preachers said prepare for the end and put your money in gold but if you aren't taking the RFID chip gold won't do you much good. I believe we need to start collecting seed and non perishable foods.

True, but if we have God's seal then won't HE make some provision of our existence till rapture?


The Bible says woe to those that hide underground in those days which is exactly where the politicans plan to hide.
The Bible says something about being safe in the mountains but I have to study more on that.
Many people that are into New Age can tell you a lot about end times too.

Even I do not understand the mountain thing. But there was another video which I saw on YouTube it is "The End Times". This 7 part video is graphic representation about the end times. There is a reference about the mountains and where people are told to hide when Antichrist desacrate the Temple. YouTube - The End Times 1/7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy5VkHmPhJE&feature=related).

It just seems what a lot of people are doing.
They feel that is where it might be safest.
I listen to a radio show coast to coast and a lot of people call in and say they moved west and are preparing for end times.
I have always felt that too. I think partly because people on the east coast seem more caught up in material things, always running to Wal Mart and complacent.
I don't know what to think of a lot of it. I just hope I know what to do and when to do it and pray that it all works out.

There is no such thing as rapture, the bible says that we die and then we shall be rose from the grave and the condemed will be judged and the ones in christ will go to heaven. There is no disappearing off the earth into heaven. Here are some scripture: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever
John 5: 28-29;
"Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29and come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.

17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever
John 5: 28-29;
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Okay so what does this verse mean then?
I am not totally sold on believing the rapture either or how and when it would happen but this verse and the one in Colosians makes me think there is something to the rapture.

Okay so what does this verse mean then?
I am not totally sold on believing the rapture either or how and when it would happen but this verse and the one in Colosians makes me think there is something to the rapture.

Well, when people say rapture they usually mean that people are randomly taken off the earth and sent straight to God. But what this verse is saying is that When we die jesus will come back and raise us from the dead and we will go into the air like angels and be reunited with him:)

It specifically says the dead will be raised and then
we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds
so I don't know where you get that.
Besides it won't be random acts it will be a ONE time event at the seventh trumpet.

It specifically says the dead will be raised and then
we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds
so I don't know where you get that.
Besides it won't be random acts it will be a ONE time event at the seventh trumpet.

When I said random acts I meant, that that's what rapture mean to most people. One day your there and the next day your not like in the movie The Rapture. People begin to randomly disappear from planes because that what people think of when you say the word rapture. And when I said the dead, I meant to say the dead and the living. And you are absolutely right about it being one event, but most people believe that the rapture is a spontaneous event.

[QUOTE=N0help4u;1716978]All I know is everybody says move west of the Mississippi River but NOT the coastal states and be with others that are prepared.

What? Everyone on this planet is supposed to move west of the Mississippi. Where do you get that. When the bible was written, there was no Mississippi. What happens east of the miss. What is wrong with coastal states. This whole rapture thing makes absolutely no sense to me.


[QUOTE]Old time Preachers said prepare for the end and put your money in gold but if you aren't taking the RFID chip gold won't do you much good. I believe we need to start collecting seed and non perishable foods.

May I ask if you were one of those people that stock piled for y2k? I had a friend that bought barrels of fresh water and lots of can goods, etc. What are the seed for? Aren't you going to heaven? Why plant seed?


Why would politicians go underground? Are they all evil?

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Trund,

I am with you. I do believe the supplies are ready and waiting for the rebuilding of the temple. I don't know who this Joel guy is but i know who John Hagee is and I like him a lot. Have you read or know about Perry Stone. He has LOTS of info about behind the scenes in Israel. It is exciting...

Joel Rosenberg is the guy who is expert in Middle East affairs and is keeping a close eye on developments in Iran and her alliance with Russia, Syria, Sudan, Lebenon with context to references in the Bible. You can find him on Joel Rosenberg (http://www.joelrosenberg.com).

I do not know about Perry Stone, but I will know about him since you have mentioned him. Thanks.

Well I didn't think people would be floating in the air. But what if you don't turn to god or don't turn to the antichrist. Or is not turning to God just basically turning to the antichrist?

IF you are left behind according to the Bible and IF you have NOT rejected the message of the gospel before the rapture. ( I will address the floating bodies in a sec) THEN and only then will you have the opportunity to reject the antichrist. Of course if you do reject him, you won't be able to buy or sell. So basically you starve that is unless he is able to HUNT you down.. then according to the bible you will be beheaded. Sound fun?

Spit, I have no idea if this mark that the antichrist will insist on is a chip or not... we can speculate all day. ONE thing I do know... if someone can't feed their family without it and they watch their children starve... I'm thinking they may be incline to take this mark.. whatever it is. Just my thoughts though.

Incidentally, no one will be floating around. The bible records it will be in a twinkling of an eye that the Bride of Christ is snatched. So I wouldn't worry about seeing people float... I am going to go out on a limb and say it will take a few minuites (perhaps DAYS depending on where you are) to even know something happened. But it will be chaos.

homesell
You are right. The time to prepare for the master's return is now no matter even if it will be hundreds of years before He does return.

CozyK, the significance of the temple is that it must be built before the one time return of Christ.
AND... It must be built according to God's instructions in the bible which are clear and specific with not iron tools used, cedar logs from Lebanon, hand labor by the Jews, etc.
The way I understand it, there will be no electricity, or pressurised running water or other modern day conveniences.
A special alter must be built according to directions for the first sacrifice which must be a special red heifer.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I have written this before in another thread but I will repeat it 'cause it's the best that I can do for now.
We cannot say when the rapture will take place,but the Lord said that we should observe the fig tree.Observing is something we can do while telling when is something we simply cannot.
I still believe that we are in the sixth hour,the hour that Jesus was crucified.The crucifixion is happening all over again,but this time WE ARE on the cross.The World will do to us what the World did to Jesus.There is no servant that is greater than its master.We have to wait for three more hours,until we hear again the words Matthew 27:45Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

46And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Jesus said those words in His human nature and this reminds me of the rapture very much,because the rapture to me is God forsaking man,and man left to die.
The Church as The Body of Christ,is in our days Christ on earth ,God on earth, so when the rapture will take place , it will be God forsaking earth.
Those who will be left behind will expirience a world without God but there is still hope for them because 1 Peter 3:19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
We are in the days of Noah and The Church of Christ is Noah's ark and a few were saved, just like it is written about the Church of Philadephia Revelation 3:8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

[QUOTE=N0help4u;1711310] The RFID chips are suppose to be mandatory to be implanted in us
[QUOTE]I don't know if this is true but I did hear that the first 3 numbers of these chips will be 666.

Every generation from the time of the resurection thought they were living in the last days. It really doesn't matter when its going to happen, what does matter is your relationship with God. Whatever we think about the end times is not going to effect when or how. The closer we get to the Lord, the less the things of this world hold an interest for us. What kind of clinched it for me was when I was a new believer, I was given a book about the end times and it showed how everything had fallen into place and the return couldn't be more than 5-10 years away. I got so excited because the book made so much sense and the author seemed so sincere, loving, and caring in warning us. Then I looked at the copywrite date for this marvelous end times book...1928!!

I am sorry that you got your hand on a 1928 book. But keep your excitement up because you are seeing these things happening now.

I do not know what is going to happen the next moment, I am not even sure whether I am going to heaven or not. This would only be declared to me the day I pass through the door of death. Although I try to live to HIS pleasing, yet during a day, many times, I fail and many times I succeed. At times I give into sin and many times I thrash Satan down. HE is keeping a track of my doings and would reward me accordingly.

I am very excited about the prophecies coming true in this generation because those had been written in the Bible thousands of years ago. What other proof one needs that the Bible is not a word of God. And God deos not care for HIS people. The prophecies coming true would support me in telling people about HIS second coming and to be ready.

Perry stone is good
Have to spread the rep.
I wasn't thinking of him with this post.

Here

YouTube - Manna Fest 314 Mysteries Reserved For the time of the end 2 of 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_gCUyMPVaA)

YouTube - perry stone signs in the stars (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=perry+stone+signs+in+the+star&aq=f)

adam7gur,
Your post is very interesting and thought out.
Thanks,
Fred