Sec State Evita Clintoon travelled to Mexico and stopped at the Basilica of Guadalupe ;Catholicism's second most visited shrine after St. Peter's in Rome.

The Basilica rector, Monsignor Diego Monroy, stood with Mrs. Clinton and showed her the mestiza Madonna, an image believed to have been imposed miraculously on an Indian's cloak five centuries ago. It is an icon of Latin American Catholicism ,and in addition ,the Virgin of Guadalupe is a special patron of the pro-life movement.

Evita... her ignorace in full display (or was this an intentional insult ) asked the Monsignor "Who painted it ? "

He replied "GOD " .

She apparently persisted, asking, "But who painted the painting, the roses," before being informed again that God was the artist .

Forgetting the religious faux pas ;The appartition is essential to understanding Mexico's cultural history.It's like a foreign minister coming to NY and asking what the Statue of Liberty is .

Mexicans were understandably not impressed with her diplomacy. Maybe she should send Mexico a "reset" button.

Did you hear it in the news ?


... didn't think so. Imagine if this had been Sarah Palin.




Her next stop on her Rainbow Tour took her to Houston where she accepted the Margaret Sanger Award from the Planned Parenthood Federation. Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, in addition to being the "patron saint" of the current American genocide ,was one of the most strident and inhumane racists of the eugenics movement of in the early 20th Century . April 1932, she wrote an article urging "a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring."

Evita in accepting the award praised liberalized abortion laws and making United States taxpayers pay for abortions and abortion propaganda in "developing" countries.

Hello tom:

Yeah, I'd rather her make THAT little mistake, than saying some country has WMD, and then wrongfully invade and occupy that country...

Yeah, her little faux pas ain't NOTHING, compared to your dufus... NOTHING!!

excon

No comment since I don't want this posting to devolve into a rehash of the Iraq debate.

Evita has already in a short time blundered in actions and comments to Mexico ;Russia and the Chinese. Would you have given Sarah Palin the same pass ?

Her name is Hillary --> U.S. Department of State (http://www.state.gov/)

And former President Bush's name is George

Ok.

Hello, again:

Now, THAT'S bipartisanship... (but, he's still a dufus).

excon

None of you has answered the question of whether you would have given Sarah the same pass.

I guess not.

Sarah who?

None of you has answered the question of whether you would have given Sarah the same pass. I guess not.Hello again, gal:

This isn't going to satisfy you at all, because you seem to equate Sarah Palin with Hillary Clinton. They're not comparable except for their plumbing. One knows about the world. One doesn't.

Furthermore, in the scope of things, I don't find these gaffes to be of any significant importance. Therefore, if Palin did these same things, I'd give her a pass. But, of course, she WOULDN'T simply do THESE things... She'd probably try to give 'em a back rub. If Hillary tries that, I'll be on her case too.

excon

Hello again, gal:

This isn't going to satisfy you at all, because you seem to equate Sarah Palin with Hillary Clinton. They're not comparable except for their plumbing. One knows about the world. One doesn't.

Furthermore, in the scope of things, I don't find these gaffes to be of any significant importance. Therefore, if Palin did these same things, I'd give her a pass. But, of course, she WOULDN'T simply do THESE things... She'd probably try to give 'em a back rub. If Hillary tries that, I'll be on her case too.

excon

That's a non-sequitur.

I think the righties whine and b!tch about the left media waaay too much (registered (R) here, by the way, tho' I'm more (I) than not) but I probably agree... the "gotcha" media would probably have palin on the prime real estate of the newspapers for similar gafs and goofs.

It sells.

And as much as we might like an underdog, we also love to see people fall, especially those new in power. Especially the self righteous. Especially anyone but me.

I don't know.

Sure.

Hello again, gal:

This isn't going to satisfy you at all, because you seem to equate Sarah Palin with Hillary Clinton. They're not comparable except for their plumbing. One knows about the world. One doesn't.

I wouldn't quite go so far as to say that Clinton doesn't know ANYTHING about the world. Granted, she's not near as smart as Palin, but then, who in Federal politics today is?


Furthermore, in the scope of things, I don't find these gaffes to be of any significant importance. Therefore, if Palin did these same things, I'd give her a pass. But, of course, she WOULDN'T simply do THESE things... She'd probably try to give 'em a back rub. If Hillary tries that, I'll be on her case too.

Excon

Huh? I don't get the backrub reference.

As for what Palin "would probably" do or have done, we won't know until 2012.

Elliot

Dear Lord...

First the dems make me vote for Bush twice by picking FIdiots for noms... and now I'm going to hafta vote for the Big Bad Hockey Momma next time?

I.

Give.

Up.

Spin the chamber until the hammer hits a bullet.

Pretty, pretty please?

Kp,
Come up up here. People are nice and much less whiny. :)

kp,
Come up up here. People are nice and much less whiny. :)

NK, but then I can't whine. Why take away the only joy I have left? ;)

I guess ill always have the ele on the trampoline...

As for Hilarious Rotten Clintoon's and BO's faux pas, they are starting to cost us the respect earned during the Bush years.

"What? What the heck is Elliot talking about... respect earned during the Bush years?"

You read it correctly. I said that Bush earned us respect during his administration.

Please keep in mind that for all that these other countries may not have LIKED us very much... in fact they may have downright hated our guts... they also knew not to F**K with us. The badguys knew not to attack us, because if they did, they'd be invaded. The "semi-allied leaders" knew that whether they went along with us or not, Bush was going to do what Bush was going to do, and their opinions be damned. They respected the USA because they FEARED what Bush might do. It may not be as "nice" as loving us, but fear may have been even better for the USA in the international community. Who give's a cr@p whether they love us or not if they act against us anyway. And who cares whether they hate us, if they do what we want them to do.

Clintoon and NObama are throwing away that "fear" factor, and instead are making us look like FOOLS in the international community. You got the President of the United States insulting PMs and leaders of other countries out of sheer laziness, and the Secretary of State unintentionally insulting the cultures of our purported allies. They may have thought of Bush as a fool, but he was a fool to be feared. ANd even when he screwed up in a diplomatic situation, he was a likeable guy on a personal level, and people were willing to forgive him for it (as long as they weren't American liberals). BO and Clintoon are just lazy, inept bufoons, and they are getting nothing but ire and sniggering guffaws. They are the laughingstock of the international community right now.

I'd rather be hated but feared than loved but disregarded.

Elliot

Clintoon and NObama are throwing away that "fear" factor, and instead are making us look like FOOLS in the international community.. I'd rather be hated but feared than loved but disregarded.Hello again,

Elliot demonstrates a totally repudiated philosophy, and he does it with a straight face, too.

excon

Hello again,

Elliot demonstrates a totally repudiated philosophy, and he does it with a straight face, too.

excon

Your definition of "totally repudiated" must be different from mine.

In fact, MOST of the world's diplomacy works based on fear as the driving factor. It is only in the "developed" world that the idea of "fear" takes a back seat to "being nice". And very few countries outside the EU and the USA bother to pay attention to us anymore except to take advantage of us.

I am a believer that diplomacy is the continuation of war by non-military means (my apologies to General Von Clauswics). Diplomacy, especially Third World diplomacy, requires that your diplomatic opponent FEAR you enough that he doesn't want to risk war with you, and will therefore negotiate with you instead. The one thing that Bush had on his side was fear. After he invaded two countries, NOBODY was going to get on Bush's bad side, at least not publicly.

As an example of the "let's be nice" way of diplomatic relations, we can look to Jimmy Carter... who was unable to free the Iran Hostages, lowered troop levels in South Korea, created the excremental Camp David Accords, acquiessed to SALT and SALT II with the Soviets, and shredded the US military. The result was the USA becoming a pushover for every pissant third world dictator and terrorist in the world. It wasn't until Ronald Reagan came to the White House that the USA regained its preiminent status in the world. Every one of Carter's major "accomplishments" has led to disasters that we are still dealing with today. Iran and North Korea are both attempting to obtain long range nukes. The current Arab-Israeli conflict is a direct result of the concept of "land for peace" that resulted from the Camp David Accords. The US military is currently undergoing a 10% cut in funding by Obama, a la Carter. In short, Carter's attempts to play "nice" was a fundamental failure in diplomacy and policy.

Reagan and the two Bush's didn't make that mistake. They believed in peace through superior firepower, and diplomacy from a point of strength... and fear.

NObama is going back to Carter's diplomatic methodology, and Clintoon is following it.

You were worried about our standing in the international community under Bush, excon? You ain't seen nothing yet.

How does it feel to have the USA as the rest of the world's b!tch?

Elliot

Evidently Evita is taking her cue from the boss who is becoming a gaffe machine.

Washington Times - CURL: Schedule leaves Obama a media no-show (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/01/curl-schedule-leaves-obama-media-no-show/)

Of course I didn't read or hear about it until you posted it. And of course they would not give Palin such a pass. Heck, she was just raked over the coals for allegedly dissing McCain over not having someone to pray with (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-ens/2009/03/26/matthews-does-palin-think-mccain-anti-christ) and her "windhield wiper wave."

WAPO's Lois Romano said, "I think it's bizarre and I think it's judgmental and why did she need to pray with any one? Why couldn't she just pray by herself?"

Only problem is, she wasn't complaining, she wasn't being "mean and catty" as David Corn claimed. She was telling a funny story about her daughter Piper. That was conveniently cut out of the clip (the story is at the end of this clip).

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Meanwhile, Palin's apparently next in line for the Limbaugh treatment (http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/30/oh-my-dem-strategists-set-to-give-palin-the-limbaugh-treatment/). If she's so irrelevant and such an easy target why does garner so much attention... as opposed to the Secretary of State acting like a buffoon to the rest of the world in trying to "repair America's image abroad"?

The word "dirty" doesn't begin to describe the treatment that Sarah Palin is being subjected to in a blatant attept to destroy her politically.

Now I hear that so many baseless charges are being made against her that she and her family may be bankrupted by legal expenses.

Way to go, liberals. That behavior is beneath contempt!

Elliot, you're one funny guy...
Not just the rant about Bush being respected out of fear from all and sundry but even the bit about the US being the world's bi&ch!

In case you guys didn't realise Sarah Palin is now completely irrelevant to anything important in this world. She's back at home in Alaska where I'm sure she's a wonderful politician. Why bother with the 'what ifs'?

Yeah ;instead we are left with Evita's buffoonery on display .

If Sarah Palin is so irrelevant, why the obsession by the national media ? She still gets routinely attacked despite your claim .

The Republican party continues to mishandle Palin(she was recently invited and then disinvited to a Republican Senatorial fundraiser at a time she could not possibly accept)... but she has still been quite active in national politics despite her duties as Governor of a remote State .There are several congressional seats that will be contested in 2010 ,and her appearance in support of the Republican candidate can be decisive.
If her efforts make a positive contribution to the Republican effort in 2010 watch out.

Also ,she is one of the Republican Governors who has the courage to tell the President that the part of the stimulus act that would not have long term benefits to the state will not be accepted by the State.

Whoever liberal Democrats attack the most ,and the most aggressively ,is who they fear the most.

She still gets routinely attacked despite your claim.She is not being attacked, her mistakes are being reported. You view any reporting of missteps as attacks.

She is not being attacked, her mistakes are being reported. You view any reporting of missteps as attacks.

That's BS. Read my post (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/evitas-experience-full-display-336524-3.html#post1641136), check out the links and watch the actual clip as I suggested. That was no misstep and the media's response was a calculated, fabricated attack... and the plans are for more.

Weird, I respond to Tom and you come back to respond, that always seems to happen...

Anyway, the part you seem to fail at is that you can find any blog that attacks anyone in the world (the pope, Bush, Obama, Star Trek, Gandhi, etc.), they are fanatics everywhere. You seem to love to link to them and give them their day in the sun, I don't know why, well actually I do.;)
It doesn't stop the fact that Palin isn't the brightest politicians on this earth and is you think that she is a good candidate to lead your party then more power to you.

If Sarah Palin is so irrelevant, why the obsession by the national media ? She still gets routinely attacked despite your claim .
Hello again, tom:

For the same reason you attack Evita... And it's funner than hell, isn't it?

excon

Hello again, tom:

For the same reason you attack Evita... And it's funner than hell, isn't it?

exconLOL! The hypocrisy is astounding isn't it!

Am I saying Evita is irrelevant ?

Am I saying Evita is irrelevent ?
Hello again, tom:

No, you aren't. You're just saying she's a buffoon. That's soooo much nicer than irrelevant.

Exocn

You're just saying she's a buffoon

Let's see
Blunder 1. she snubbed India ,one of most important emerging allies during her Asian trip .On same trip she screwed up regarding the issue of human rights in China .

Blunder 2 .She presents a red button to push (haven't we been working for years to prevent someone pushing the red button) with the word “reset” misspelled in Russian actually saying “overcharged”.

On the same European leg of her Rainbow tour she blindsided Israel, and mispronounced the names of foreign heads of state;said she doesn't understand multi-party democracy,and said our democracy has been around a lot longer than European democracies. I remind you ;she is the top diplomat in the country.

Blunder 3 is the Mexican fiasco. On the same trip as the subject of this posting she told Mexican officials that they were considering reinstituting the assault rifle ban even though the President has said otherwise .

That's a lot of blunders for less than 3 months in office. Even Biden doesn't screw up at that rate.

Hello again, tom:

I see now... When you say Hillary is a buffoon, you're telling the truth. But, when we say Palin is irrelevant, or a nut job, we're lying.

I understand...

excon

Hello again, tom:

I see now.... When you say Hillary is a buffoon, you're telling the truth. But, when we say Palin is irrelevant, or a nut job, we're lying.

I understand...

Apparently you didn't read my post (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/evitas-experience-full-display-336524-3.html#post1641136) and look at the evidence either.

Excon

First of all, I'M the one who called Hilarious Rotten Clintoon a bufoon, not Tom or DK.

Second, you continue to call Bush a lot worse with a lot less excuse.

Third, none of us have had to take stuff out of context to make Hilarious hilarious. Unlike with Palin, where the only way to make fun of her is to take incidents out of context.

Fourth, if the MSM spent half the time "reporting the facts" about Clintoon as they do "reporting the facts" on Palin, who you admit is not a national figure today, Clintoon would have already resigned in shame.

Maybe.

If she had a shred of dignity left.

OK, maybe not. Be she sure wouldn't continue to be a media darling.

Elliot

Apparently you didn't read my post and look at the evidence either.Hello Steve:

I'm not talking about any one instance. I don't even care about the prayer thing. Plus, your "evidence" that people don't agree with me, isn't impressive either.

In my view, the little gaffes that either of them make, aren't the measure of their intelligence or their worldliness. Contrary to you guys, I'm looking at the bigger picture.

The bigger picture is thus:

Sarah Palin is a wonderful person. She doesn't know about the world. That doesn't disqualify her, because that can be fixed. I'm willing to wait to see how much she fixes it.

Hillary knows about the world. You may not AGREE with her views of the world, but she knows about it.

The other picture is this. You don't believe a thing I just said. You, like Elliot, think Sarah Palin walks on water. The only problem with that, is you thought George Bush walked on water too, and look what he did.

The FINAL, bewildering picture, is this: You think George W. Bush did a heckofa job.

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

Second, you continue to call Bush a lot worse with a lot less excuse.Hello again, El:

You misunderstand, again... Come on, buddy. There's plenty to argue about beyond this crap.

I'm FINE with the name calling. Hillary is Evita, and a buffoon. The dufus is a dufus. Palin is Palin.

I'm just saying, YOU guys think the name calling is one way, and I was just doing my job of pointing out the hypocrisy. It IS a tough job, but somebody's got to do it.

excon

Hello Steve:

I'm not talking about any one instance. I don't even care about the prayer thing. Plus, your "evidence" that people don't agree with me, isn't impressive either.

That one instance is just one in a long series of the media stirring the pot when the pot's empty, and as I noted there appear to be plans to give her the Limbaugh treatment. Rove is probably impressed by the tactics the left is using.


The bigger picture is thus:

Sarah Palin is a wonderful person. She doesn't know about the world. That doesn't disqualify her, because that can be fixed. I'm willing to wait to see how much she fixes it.

Hillary knows about the world. You may not AGREE with her views of the world, but she knows about it.

The bigger picture is this, Palin isn't the one representing us in world affairs.


The other picture is this. You don't believe a thing I just said. You, like Elliot, think Sarah Palin walks on water. The only problem with that, is you thought George Bush walked on water too, and look what he did.

You know me better than that, I don't think any politician walks on water. You know I don't trust any of them, and I darn sure don't trust a LIBERAL politician.


The FINAL, bewildering picture, is this: You think George W. Bush did a heckofa job.

At least I could still recognize my country when he walked away.

...and I darn sure don't trust a LIBERAL politician. You = bigot. (definition here (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot))

You = bigot. (definition here (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot))

You don't know a thing about me, NK, and it's perfectly obvious you don't have a clue what bigotry is. Distrust (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/distrust) does not equal bigotry.

That one instance is just one in a long series of the media stirring the pot when the pot's empty, and as I noted there appear to be plans to give her the Limbaugh treatment. Rove is probably impressed by the tactics the left is using.

The bigger picture is this, Palin isn't the one representing us in world affairs.

You know me better than that, I don't think any politician walks on water. You know I don't trust any of them, and I darn sure don't trust a LIBERAL politician.

At least I could still recognize my country when he walked away.

Steve the only thing that's empty is Palin's head. Her gaffes are overblown but Obama and Clinton's aren't? Do you really think that the media is that against you? Of course Rush and Fox never blow anything out of proportion do they?

Sure, Palin doesn't represent you on the world stage, but if you guys got your way she would. She may have even end up running the entire show. And then you'd truly have something to be embarrassed about. Then you'd truly be the laughing stock of the entire world.

So your saying in three months since Bush you now can't recognise your country? Talk about blowing things out of proportion.

Steve the only thing that's empty is Palin's head. Her gaffes are overblown but Obama and Clinton's aren't? Do you really think that the media is that against you? Of course Rush and Fox never blow anything out of proportion do they?

Skell, do you honestly think Rush and Fox outweigh the majority mainstream media? So you have two players that are tops in their field... they're both still a very small percentage of the media coverage. I've posted the stats many times here... the numbers don't lie.


Evening News Rating (http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/evening_news_ratings/)s: Week of March 23

Total Viewers: NBC: 9,210,000 / ABC: 8,100,000 / CBS: 6,120,000

That's 23, 430,000 for just the 3 networks for a week... all with a liberal slant. 131.5 million people watch CNN and MSNBC (http://www.portfolio.com/views/blogs/mixed-media/2009/03/20/cnns-march-ratings-so-far-more-lamb-than-lion) per month compared to 61.3 million for FNC. Add the roughly 93.7 million that watch the networks and you have FNC reaching 61.3 million in a month vs. everyone else reaching 224.5 million viewers. And we haven't even mentioned newspapers and magazines, and radio numbers for Rush can't even come close to bridging the gap.

Yeah, Rush and Fox blow some things out of proportion, but they don't stand a chance against the massive media machine on the other side and calculated attacks by the administration with the aide of their media enablers. Come on Skell, you're a smart guy... the media Goliaths have a much bigger hammer.


Sure, Palin doesn't represent you on the world stage, but if you guys got your way she would. She may have even end up running the entire show. And then you'd truly have something to be embarrassed about. Then you'd truly be the laughing stock of the entire world.

Don't fall in the same trap as excon and others, none of us "oldtimer" conservatives here have ever shown that kind of fealty to Palin. It's the facts that matter, and given the choice between what we have now and McCain/Palin it's a no-brainer. That doesn't mean we worship them or think they're the best choice... but it's a hell of a lot better than the alternative.


So your saying in three months since Bush you now can't recognise your country? Talk about blowing things out of proportion.

Um, I didn't say now, I said "At least I could still recognize my country when he walked away." Will I be able to when Obama is through with it? At this rate, no.

And the gaffes keep coming .

Reporters were given a phone # to join a conference call with Evita and National Security Adviser James Jones in London.

When they dialed it up they connected to a phone sex chat line.

White House gives out number to sex line for Hillary Clinton conference call | Weird True Freaky | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25283325-13762,00.html)

Don't blame her . They must've pressed the wrong (reset ) button. Either that or she switched phones wlth Bill again.

and the gaffes keep coming .

Reporters were given a phone # to join a conference call with Evita and National Security Adviser James Jones in London.

When they dialed it up they connected to a phone sex chat line.

White House gives out number to sex line for Hillary Clinton conference call | Weird True Freaky | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25283325-13762,00.html)

Don't blame her . They must've pressed the wrong (reset ) button. Either that or she switched phones wlth Bill again.

Was that before or after Obama bent over for the Saudi king (http://voices.kansascity.com/node/4180)?

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... and the comics complained he wasn't funny . This administrations should keep SNL stocked with fresh material for it's full 4 years.

When the reporters dialed up the 1st number ,and then the revised number ,I just got to wonder which one they thought was more informative?? Both #s were spouting BS ,but one was more entertaining .

Hello again, righty's:

I remember when the ET Wolverine told me to pay attention to what Bush DOES, not what he says.

So, that's a no go these days, huh? I figured.

excon

Hello again, righty's:

I remember when the ET Wolverine told me to pay attention to what Bush DOES, not what he says.

So, that's a no go these days, huh? I figured.

excon

I watched what Obama did, he bowed like an inferior to the Saudi king instead of looking him the eye as an American president should. And it's obvious we've been watching he does and not he says in every other area because his promises have short expiration dates. Just words...

Bowing in fact is a breach of protocol. American Presidents don't bow before kings.

Considering the almost causal air they presented to the Queen of England ,I just have to ask... has anyone ever seen the President show such deference before ?

Hello again, righty's:

I remember when the ET Wolverine told me to pay attention to what Bush DOES, not what he says.

So, that's a no go these days, huh? I figured.

excon

No... let's pay close attention to what he does.

He passed a $780B stimulus bill that he didn't read and didn't give anyone else time to read.

He passed an Omnibus Bill full of pork.

He has appointed, not one, not two, but at least five tax cheats to top positions in his administration, after promissing that this administration would be the most open, honest and transparent administration in history.

He has appointed tens of lobbyists to positions in his administration, after promissing that his administration would have no lobbyists.

He has insulted both the UK PM and the Queen with his crappy, lazy, bone-headed "gifts" of I-Pods and DVDs. The DVDs were even in the wrong format.

He bowed down to the King of Saudi Arabia... the President isn't supposed to bow down to anyone.

He has quadrupled the national deficit.

His policies have DOUBLED the national debt over the next 10 years.

He's taken over a major private corporation, fired its president, and has stated that he intends to install his own board of directors, and announced that the US government now backs the service agreements of that company. This after stating that the US Government has no desire or intention of running that company.

He has spent more time on TV than he has actually doing his job, and has spent that time on TV laughing about the economic crisis we're in middle of, and insulting the developmentally challenged.

I'm watching exactly what Obama has done and is doing. THAT is what I'm criticizing.

Elliot

... and the comics complained he wasn't funny

Now he's invented a new language, Austrian.


It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian — wheeling and dealing — and, you know, people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics.

Uh, even I knew Austrians mainly speak German.

Uh, even I knew Austrians mainly speak German.

What?? We speak English thanks... :D

What??? We speak English thanks... :D

Yeah, in a funny kind of way. ;)