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tracie1052
Mar 28, 2009, 02:02 PM
How does the statement “God created” affect the way in which an individual interprets life experiences?
arcura
Mar 28, 2009, 10:50 PM
tracie1052,
God created everything that can be seen and unseen.
He created life which has various experiences just as God has experiences. That's one of the images of God in which we were created.
In the life of things of life on this planet we experience each other, the weather, what we eat and drink, and more such as what we see of the universe.
I think that for those who believe that God created all that is seen and unseen life is somewhat different than for those who do not believe in creation by God.
Some of such people believe that the universe just happened and some believe that the this universe in just one of a string of many which have gone before this one.
I just read an article which speculated that there have been many "Big Bangs" before this one that brought about the universe we now have and that in about a trillion years this one will burn out and the remains gather together to form another big bang.
Thus I think life is different for those who believe in creation and those who do not.
I don't know that for sure because I have always believed in the creation By God.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
homesell
May 12, 2009, 02:56 PM
If, as the atheists claim, everything happened by accident and that you evolved out of slime, existence is pointless, there are no moral absolutes, there is no right or wrong.
However, if there is a God, (and there is) we can know right from wrong and experience love, joy, peace, hope as feelings and emotions rather than mere chemical reactions. With God, the greatest thing you can do is lay down your life for another. Without God, the greatest thing you can do is survive by whatever means is necessary and by doing whatever is necessary. It is an empty life.
arcura
May 12, 2009, 10:55 PM
homesell.
True!
Fred
adam7gur
May 13, 2009, 01:43 AM
With God, the greatest thing you can do is lay down your life for another. Without God, the greatest thing you can do is survive by whatever means is necessary and by doing whatever is necessary. It is an empty life.
Good point, Jeff!
jakester
May 13, 2009, 06:39 PM
That's the $50,000,000 question, I think.
Many people have asked this question and it is a profound one but also probably one with many different facets to it.
To me, the statement "God created" affects how one interprets life experiences in different ways. What I mean is that to one person knowing that "God created" will cuase him to see God as the creator of all things: good and evil, joy and suffering, salvation and destruction. He will respond to God with a desire to obey him and do what he wills because his heart has been made right within.
To another man, the idea that "God created" will cause him to look at the same realities of good and evil, joy and suffering, salvation and destruction as offensible because one cannot conceive of a God who could allow evil and still be good. His response to God is different and like Job's wife, who responded "curse God and die."
People fall into one of two camps with respect to God: they either love him or hate him.
That is how I see it.
arcura
May 13, 2009, 09:20 PM
Jackster,
I think there are three camps.
They are either they love Him, hate Him, or could care less about Him.
Some, if not many, atheists dwell in the last camp mentioned.
Fred
jakester
May 14, 2009, 04:29 AM
Jackster,
I think there are three camps.
They are either they love Him, hate Him, or could care less about Him.
Some, if not many, atheists dwell in the last camp mentioned.
Fred
Fred - I understand what you mean. But to me, "could care less about Him" is still hatred to me. Reason being is that God is the sovereign creator and King of the whole universe and is telling us all that we need to do business with him. Are we tone deaf? No. So why don't we hear this loud and clear from God? Well, it is as you said, some folks could care less that God is there and that they are answerable to him. In this case, this deliberate act of casual dismissal on the part of people can come across as innocuous and not hateful, but it is a more subtle form of hatred. It is passive aggressiveness to use a psychological term.
For example, take a married couple. One spouse is angry at the other but doesn't yell and scream at him/her but instead withdraws himself and withholds love and affection. It could seem as if the spouse isn't the least bit bothered by the other. But the reality is that ignoring the other on purpose is a subtle form of hostility... it's evil. It is the same way with people who act as if they could care less for God... they are in active rebellion against him and are in effect, hating him.
That is the original point I was trying to make before but perhaps it was worth discussing it in detail here.
Thanks, Fred.
homesell
May 14, 2009, 05:01 AM
See below. I made a mistake and don't know how to remove this post entirely.
homesell
May 14, 2009, 05:15 AM
Right Jakester. Jesus said, "who is not for me is against me." This is referring to non-christians. Referring to Christians in Laodicea (much like America today)he says in Revelation 3:14-19
14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God:
15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
17 "Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing' ––and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked––
18 "I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
jakester
May 14, 2009, 06:23 AM
Jesus said, "who is not for me is against me."
Jeff - boy, that is a great verse because it completely captures the reality that there is no such thing as being neutral in God's economy... if I casually dismiss God, I have arrayed myself against him and even though I may not see myself as being arrayed against him, God does.
Thanks for quoting that passage, Jeff.
Maggie 3
May 14, 2009, 04:17 PM
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. He spoke "Let there be" and
Spoke all things into being and said it is good. Then God said, "Let Us [The Trinity
Make man in Our image, according to Our likness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air and over the cattle over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." Gen 1:26
So God created man in His own image; in the image of God created him; male and female He created them. Gen 1: 27
God did not create Adam and Eve in the image of animals or angels He created them in the image of God. Therefore the Us in Genesis 1:26 must refer to God alone, that is to God the Father, God the Son , and God the Spirit. When God created us, He wanted us to share in some measure of fellowship; that's why He created us in His image.By creating
Us to reflect His own nature, He made it possible for us to develop a deep and intimate relationship with Him. We have come to the heart of who God made us to be, having
Our intimacy with God and I believe it is His highest priority for our lives. As we grow
Closer to Him, the more positive and lasting impact we have on this world.
Love and Blessings, Maggie 3
homesell
May 15, 2009, 06:24 AM
Even the fact that God says, "Let us..." besides that indicating a plurality, I really can't see the almighty God of this universe, the creator of all things - talking to himself! Some Jewish scholars suggest God is using the "Plurality of his Majesty" like when Queen Victoria said, "WE are not amused" but why would you use the plurality of majesty(if that is what it is) to talk to yourself? You can't have it both ways. Queen Vickie said the "WE are not amused" to another person.
Can you imagine a person that is not insane or at least mentally troubled say to themself something like,
"Let us go to Texas and build our house"
arcura
May 15, 2009, 11:21 PM
I think that God has talked to Himself several times such as when God the Son prayed to God the Father.
Fred
homesell
May 16, 2009, 04:26 AM
Fred,
The Son is a person and the Father is a person. One person praying to another person, not the same person praying to Himself. If the Son was the Father, there would be no need for Jesus to pray at all.
When Jesus was Baptised and came up out of the water, He did not pull a ventriloquism act and make a voice come down out of heaven saying, "This is my Son, in whom I am well pleased." Nor was He in two places at the same time as the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove came down and rested upon Him.(also at His baptism)
Triund
May 16, 2009, 07:28 AM
Fred - I understand what you mean. But to me, "could care less about Him" is still hatred to me. ...........
For example, take a married couple. One spouse is angry at the other but doesn't yell and scream at him/her but instead withdraws himself and withholds love and affection. It could seem as if the spouse isn't the least bit bothered by the other. But the reality is that ignoring the other on purpose is a subtle form of hostility...it's evil. It is the same way with people who act as if they could care less for God...they are in active rebellion against him and are in effect, hating him.
Thanks, Fred.
Wow... what a wonderful analogy!! Thanks Jake
arcura
May 16, 2009, 08:43 PM
homesell, Sorry, but I disagree.
The bible clearly says that Jesus, God the Son, prayed to God the Father. HE did so as a human being.
Yes there are three individuals in the one God, a trinity.
Obviously they communicate with each other.
Fred
homesell
May 17, 2009, 01:15 PM
Fred, one individual communicating to another individual, as you agree is happening here, is not the same as one individual talking to himself. As I've stated many times there are three persons, or personalities in the one Living God.
arcura
May 17, 2009, 06:47 PM
homesell,
Thanks Jeff.
That (that God is a trinity) is what I have believe since I was in Sunday School many years ago.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
homesell
May 18, 2009, 05:59 AM
Thanks Fred,
And it is what I believed ever since I read the New Testament through at age 17, believed,and was saved by Baptism of the spirit which caused me to later be Baptized in water.
arcura
May 18, 2009, 09:48 PM
Good for you, Jeff.
Fred