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excon
Mar 26, 2009, 06:54 AM
Hello:

I knew you New Yorkers were listening to me.

The deal would repeal many of the mandatory minimum prison sentences now in place for lower-level drug felons, giving judges the authority to send first-time nonviolent offenders to treatment instead of prison.

They're putting judges in the position to determine sentences based on the facts of a case, and not on mandatory minimum sentences. As it stands now, with mandatory minimums, the Prosecutor is the one who decides what the fate of the defendant is going to be.

Imagine that; a judge actually judging... Whoda thunk that would ever happen?

Go NY.

excon

tomder55
Mar 26, 2009, 07:21 AM
Even I am willing to admit that Rockefeller-era laws were too harsh .

excon
Mar 26, 2009, 07:30 AM
Hello again, tom:

It's amazing to me how, when a state is flush with money, a drug offender is a BAD PERSON who needs to be sent away for a long time...

But, when the money runs out, imprisoned drug offenders become an EXPENSE to be eliminated.

Apparently, morality and righteousness have NOTHING to do with the legislative process, unless of course, we're talking about abortion.

excon

Emland
Mar 26, 2009, 07:32 AM
Senator Jim Webb from my state is trying to start some prison reforms.

Webb takes on next challenge: Nation's prison system | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com (http://hamptonroads.com/2009/03/webb-takes-next-challenge-nations-prison-system)

excon
Mar 26, 2009, 07:44 AM
The "war on drugs" is very winnable if resources and priorities were shifted .....
even I am willing to admit that Rockefeller-era laws were too harsh .Hello again, tom:

Yes, you guys DO confuse me..

excon

excon
Mar 26, 2009, 07:48 AM
Senator Jim Webb from my state is trying to start some prison reforms.Hello Em:

Hopefully, the trickle is just the beginning of a raging torrent that will put an end to this American nightmare.

excon

tomder55
Mar 26, 2009, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/amhd_imgs/buttons/viewpost.gif (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/marijuana-small-government-rightys-332339-post1621145.html#post1621145)
The "war on drugs" is very winnable if resources and priorities were shifted .....

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Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/amhd_imgs/buttons/viewpost.gif (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/draconian-drug-laws-repealed-ny-334117.html#post1628365)
even I am willing to admit that Rockefeller-era laws were too harsh .

Hello again, tom:

Yes, you guys DO confuse me..

Excon

Perhaps your problem is the way you cherry pick my comments...
or do you think the government has no business regulating what comes into the country ....legal and illegal commerce and human traffic ?


I think penalties should be reduced and if it is determined by extensive clinical trials to have pharmaceutical benefit (I don't buy for one second the argument put forth that marijuana has absolutely no negative effects and can cure or relieve a wide range of illnesses) ;to regulate it as a perscription with the caveat that there should be strict laws against driving under the influence ;and operation of heavy equipment . Employers should have the disgression to discipline stoned employees on the job.



By not emphasizing Marjuana it would free up resources to combat the availability of more dangerous illegal drugs.


Note that neither of these quotes suggest that I think we should emphasis a demand side response to the problem. I am not trying to make criminals out of drug users .In my comments it should've been implied that my response would be to shift resources to help the Mexican govt. kick the a$$ of the drug cartels.

excon
Mar 26, 2009, 09:59 AM
perhaps your problem is the way you cherry pick my comments .....Hello again, tom:

Moui?

But, let me ask you this... At the same time we're making sense at the state level, Hillary Clinton is blaming OUR drug market for the rise in violence on the Mexican border. She used the dreaded term "crack down", and said it with a straight face...

Plus, in response to the Obama team deciding NOT to bust marijuana dispensary's in states where they're legal, the DEA reserves the right to continue to go after dispensaries that violate state and federal laws, like by operating as fronts for drug dealers or selling to minors.

Huh??

Where do they think the dispensary's get their pot from now?? There are NO legal growing operations in those states. ALL the grow operations in those states ARE illegal! There's NO officially licensed wholesale distributors in those states... ALL the pot that is sold in those dispensary's WOULD be sold illegally if there weren't these stores...

There is NO distinction between these dispensary's and "drug dealers" - NONE! That means the DEA could still raid any one of them that they choose...

Like I've said before, mention the word marijuana, and somebody will loose their mind...

excon