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MsPhillips21
Mar 3, 2009, 11:34 AM
What is a girl to do when she can't have kids, and probably couldn't go through an adoption agency to adopt. I don't have anyone in the family that would be willing to help.:confused: I'm not too sure what to do. Any advice?

JudyKayTee
Mar 3, 2009, 11:34 AM
Why wouldn't an adoption agency approve?

MsPhillips21
Mar 3, 2009, 11:37 AM
I'm 21 going on 22, I'm getting married next week, I just think with my age and my credit, they really wouldn't give me the chance to go through an adoption agency.

Synnen
Mar 3, 2009, 01:21 PM
So... work on your credit.

No birthmom is going to hand over her baby to a person who can't afford the adoption, because that makes it seem like you can't afford the CHILD either.

You are also young--there is plenty of time for this.

I would focus on cleaning up your credit and going to college to get a degree---both will help you to eventually adopt.

arnimal7
Mar 3, 2009, 01:33 PM
Hey there, Did the doc prove to you that you can't have children? The same thing was told to my cousin 15 years ago, and now she has a 2 year old. So you never know. Also I do agree that you are in your early 20's. You should take this time to put your life in order, with school, saving money, and also have time as a newly wed with your hubby. Then maybe you can think about addoption up the road. Things will work out the way that are supposed to.

MsPhillips21
Mar 3, 2009, 08:02 PM
Yes I had cancer at the age of 16, with this I had both of my ovaries removed, so I'm positive I can not conceive a child.
I do appreciate the advice but age doesn't have anything to do with this issue, I'm just looking for a direction so I know how to prepare myself.
I know I want to be a mother and I've known for about a year, and it isn't that my credit is bad because I'm in debt now, everything is paid off, nothing comes off for about 5-7 years, I've already discussed this situation with the people that know the whole ordeal.

arnimal7
Mar 3, 2009, 11:01 PM
There might be chat rooms where you can find pregnant women who are trying to find mommies. You could try there. It's addoption without the huge fees and all of the legal documents. That's the only thing I can think of other then finding a close friend or family member that can or will bare your child. I wish you luck

JudyKayTee
Mar 4, 2009, 06:18 AM
There might be chat rooms where you can find pregnant women who are trying to find mommies. You could try there. It's addoption without the huge fees and all of the legal documents. That's the only thing I can think of other then finding a close friend or family member that can or will bare your child. I wish you luck



This is very bad legal advice - adoption SHOULD and MUST involve "all the legal documents." This is a child, not a puppy, and everything must be 100% and above board or you will be posting on the legal thread in two years (as a woman is right now) because something about the adoption has gone haywire.

Unless OP has a career of some sort I cannot imagine a responsible single mother handing her child over for adoption - while single mothers are good Hollywood the fact is that the majority of children raised by a single parent are raised with far lower financial benefits than children of couples. I would want the best possible for my child were I in that situation.

Synnen
Mar 4, 2009, 06:52 AM
There might be chat rooms where you can find pregnant women who are trying to find mommies. You could try there. It's addoption without the huge fees and all of the legal documents. That's the only thing I can think of other then finding a close friend or family member that can or will bare your child. I wish you luck

Not only is this bad legal advice--it's also bad MORAL advice.

Shame on you! Those pregnant women in chat rooms are usually trying to figure out a way that THEY can be a mommy--not looking for someone that is trying to sucker them into giving away their baby.

I also didn't catch that the OP is single. Get married. The small percent of women that actually choose adoption choose TWO PARENTS for the most part---I'm a birthmom and my reasoning was this: Why the HELL should I hand my kid over to a single mother? If I wanted her to have ONE parent, then I'd raise her my damned self!

If you're really that serious about wanting a CHILD now (notice that I didn't say "baby"--if all you want is a baby, not a child to love, then you're in the wrong state of mind to be adopting anyway), then contact your local foster care agency. There are thousands of kids that need help in that system. Why not look into helping one of those kids have a better life, instead of just looking for an infant?

Look, I know what it's like to have the baby bug. It sucks, really. But don't you think a child would benefit from having TWO parents, in a stable relationship? Let's put it this way: if you had to make the agonizing decision to let someone else raise your child, would YOU choose a person like you? If so, then contact an adoption agency, and see what they have to tell you.

arnimal7
Mar 4, 2009, 11:08 AM
I understand where all of you are coming from. I am not trying to give her bad advice. She really wants a baby! I alreadu tried telling her from my fisrt post, if you have read it that she was in her early 20's that she should save money, go to school, enjoy being a newly wed. She then reasponded that she really wanted to be a mother for a year now. I never said that I was a lawyer or that my advice is legal. Now I have a close friend who cannot have children, so she is paying a woman to bare her child. Is that so wrong! Sarrogate mother! That is what I was talking about in the first place. That is legal.

arnimal7
Mar 4, 2009, 11:26 AM
And for Judy and Synnen, what makes think you know the law? Obviously you don't because being a sarrogate mother is legal, and if MsPhillips wanted to have one she could. But for you two to judge people and it seems like you always do, find out facts first before saying things like shame on you!

J_9
Mar 4, 2009, 11:29 AM
And for Judy and Synnen, what makes think you know the law? Obviously you don't because being a sarrogate mother is legal, and if MsPhillips wanted to have one she could. But for you two to judge people and it seems like you always do, find out facts first before saying things like shame on you!

Judy is an investigator for the legal community and Synnen is a birthmom who gave a child up for adoption. That's how they know the law in this area.

Synnen
Mar 4, 2009, 11:56 AM
And for Judy and Synnen, what makes think you know the law? Obviously you don't because being a sarrogate mother is legal, and if MsPhillips wanted to have one she could. But for you two to judge people and it seems like you always do, find out facts first before saying things like shame on you!

I've made it my business to know adoption law in most places---and to know what might be constituted as coercion, because that's generally the ONLY thing that can get an adoption overturned.

Being a surrogate mother is NOT legal everywhere. MN, for example, has laws that make surrogacy VERY hard to do. It's not outlined as "illegal", but if the surrogate mother changes her mind, then the child, whether genetically or not, is biologically HERS, and no court in MN would make her give back the money or the baby to the people who paid for the surrogacy to begin with.

And while surrogacy IS an option, in most places you must go through the formal adoption process with the child of a surrogate mother, because since she gave birth, she is the LEGAL mother of the child.

Yes, there are a lot of options out there to become a parent, but the thing is that people who are looking into it should generally have a lawyer on retainer, and should REALLY look into what the laws are in their particular area regarding ANY form of adoption.

MsPhillips21
Mar 4, 2009, 12:35 PM
Wow, I never said I was single either, I'm getting married with a man I've been with for 3 years. You guys mustn't know how to read... Never mind. This was a bad idea, to ask for advice that is.

MsPhillips21
Mar 4, 2009, 12:37 PM
And thank you arnimal7. You seem very supportive and you can actually read!

Synnen
Mar 4, 2009, 01:17 PM
I guess since you didn't state that "my fiance/husband and I want to adopt", just that you want to adopt, we assumed you meant that YOU were going to adopt, solo.

We're trying to give you advice. However, you need to provide us with enough information to properly advise you. The more thorough YOUR information is, the more thorough OUR answers become.

And I STILL think it's irresponsible to advise hanging out in chat rooms to try to talk someone into choosing YOU as an adoptive parent. There are SEVERAL reasons to use an agency--many of which are that agencies are there to protect adoptive parents more than they are there to counsel birthparents. Adoptive parents, after all, pay their bills.

So again--my recommendation is the same as it originally was: Get a lawyer or an agency to help you if you're truly looking at adoption at this point in your life.

JudyKayTee
Mar 4, 2009, 02:05 PM
Wow, I never said I was single either, I'm getting married with a man I've been with for 3 years. You guys mustn't know how to read.... Never mind. This was a bad idea, to ask for advice that is.


Let's see, you say you AREN'T single. You ARE getting married to man you've "been with" for 3 years.

So that makes you single right now, right? I think you are either single or you are not, either married or not.

There's no middle road.

JudyKayTee
Mar 4, 2009, 02:07 PM
And for Judy and Synnen, what makes think you know the law? Obviously you don't because being a sarrogate mother is legal, and if MsPhillips wanted to have one she could. But for you two to judge people and it seems like you always do, find out facts first before saying things like shame on you!


Why do I think I know the law? Let's see, to begin with a couple of degrees and work experience and thousands of hours in the Courtroom.

Now it's your turn to put forward your credentials.

Synnen can answer for herself - although I don't think she really has to.

JudyKayTee
Mar 4, 2009, 02:23 PM
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arnimal7 agrees: K, I never said I was a lawyer.[/QUOTE]


Then you probably shouldn't give legal advice and, if you do, you probably shouldn't criticize and/or condemn the people who have legal training and give advice which does not agree with your uniformed advice.

MsPhillips21
Mar 4, 2009, 02:47 PM
Well, I am getting married next week so I would hope me and my fiancé would be adopting together, and adoption is going to be a little tough right now because of my past [I messed up my credit] everything IS paid off, but it will remain on my credit history for 5 or so years. I was just looking for different routes to take. I'm not looking to do all of this NOW, but hopefully within the next couple years get situated.

this8384
Mar 5, 2009, 11:10 AM
Well, I am getting married next week so I would hope me and my fiance would be adopting together, and adoption is going to be a little tough right now because of my past [I messed up my credit] everything IS paid off, but it will remain on my credit history for 5 or so years. I was just looking for different routes to take. I'm not looking to do all of this NOW, but hopefully within the next couple years get situated.

No one is trying to be critical; our apologies if it came off that way. Everyone here is extremely concerned for not just the baby that you'd like in your life, but also yourself.

Understanding or not, arnimal's advice was terrible. Browsing chat rooms is not safe nor is it logical. There have been numerous reports of people who got approved by adoption agencies but either had to wait or couldn't afford to adopt; they decided to "find" a surrogate mother on their own. They empty out their bank accounts buying anything and everything the surrogate could want or need; when it comes time to deliver, the surrogate takes off and the couple is left broke and empty-handed. They have no legal right to the child because biologically, it's not theirs.

Like you pointed out, give yourself a few years to get situated. You can rebuild your credit, show a steady rental history or even homeownership, a strong marriage... all of those will be beneficial in an adoption review. I wish you and your soon-to-be husband the best of luck :)

ScottGem
Mar 5, 2009, 01:23 PM
First, your credit situation will have minimal affect on your ability to adopt. If, according to you, you are now out of debt, that should be sufficient, even if your credit rating hsn't recovered. Adoption agencies and parents look more towards the future than the past.

Second, the reason that arnimal's answer was criticized so much was this part of it:

It's addoption without the huge fees and all of the legal documents.

Even if you were to find a surrogate mother through an Internet chtroom (and I don't recommend that), you would still have to go through ll the legl documents. In fact surrogacy tends to be MORE expensive. In a surrogacy contract, you agree to pay all the birth mother's medical bills as well as a fee for the use of her womb.

We pride ourselves on the accuracy of our advice here and arnimal's advice was not good advice for you.

Your best bet is to start talking to adoption agencies now. It may tke several years for you to be approved and baby to be available. But you are young and have the time.