Does anyone really know when the end of the world is coming? Does anybody know what's going to happen? Is it really going to be like the 'Left Behind' movie?

To your 3 questions:

1. No,
2. No,
3. Maybe, maybe not. Those details are not clear from Scripture or Tradition.

Well do you know what comes first? I mean I know there's going to be ww3 but aren't we in that now?

The first thing that is going to happen is the rapture of the Church... then the revealing of the Antichrist and him signing a 7 year peace treaty with Israel. There is NOTHING that needs to happen.. the stage is set and it could happen any time.

It will NOT be just like the left behind series... that was fun to read but it was fiction. There were things in left behind that was not biblically correct... such as knowing, hearing and even preaching the gospel but being left behind and still having a chance for salvation. The Bible is clear, if you have heard the gospel and rejected it... you get no second chance.

The first thing that is gonna happen is the rapture of the Church...then the revealing of the Antichrist and him signing a 7 year peace treaty with Israel. .

The above is one of many interpretations of Scripture.

Really like the Left Behind series? Probably not. But scriptures are pretty clear about what will happen during the tribulation.
There will be many many people that thought they were Christians who will be left during the tribulation period. There will be many who will repent and most likely loose their life to the antichrist during this time. Some will make it to the end. But I personally would not want to place my life on that bet. If you have more questions, there are many teachers (preachers0 who have studied the end times prophesies and have reams of good information. Many will chime in and try sand tell you it is not true, but you need to find teachings on the subject for yourself. If you have questions about who has good teachings, please send me a PM. I really don't want to get slammed by certain religions again.

But I thought you got a second chance cause I was watching this program a while back that said that if you didn't make it the first time then you could the second... where exactly does it say in the Bible that you don't get another chance? I heard that when that day comes and the 'Mark' comes to play, then the people who accept Christ (after the Rapture) would go to Heaven to be with God

Might you be speaking of 1 Corinthians 3: 13-15?

Sorry to use a word you may not like, but this is one of the Scriptural references behind the idea of what we call Purgatory.

Scripture does not speak of "chances".

To follow up, bibically no, it is clear no one will know when it comes.
But then Jan 1 2000 was a big pick, ( oops missed that one didn't they)
The new date is 12/12/2012 that many have picked, guess it is as good of day as any.

No, there are ideas but no one will know what is going to happen.

It is a movie, good movie but nothing but.

I'm not catholic so no hard feelings

13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

Is that it? Well I know the Bilbe isn't all fun and games but that's harsh... I always thought and believed that if you didn't make it the first time then you could have a chance for the second one... well that just changes everything

Do you really want to try and live through the tribulation? While there are many that will not make the taking away of God's church signaling the start of the end, few will make it through the seven years of pure hell here on earth. And fewer still will accept Jesus as their Lord and savior because of the lies and deceit, and yes the persecution during this time. Personally I want to be ready to go when God calls his church home.

No doubt. Who in their right mind would want to live through those 7 years?

Regardless of what we want, though, there is a plan that we don't know the details of.

The rapture may be pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation or post tribulation... or none of the above. The bottom line is just don't know for sure.

... so all we can do is be sure that we are ready today.

I'll be ready thanks! :)

;)

im not catholic so no hard feelings

13 each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

is that it? well i know the Bilbe aint all fun and games but thats harsh...i always thought and believed that if u didnt make it the first time then u could have a chance for the second one...well that just changes everything

The scripture here should be understood to apply to saved people of all ages, not just the last one. What is said to be judged here are men's WORKS, not whether they will go to Heaven or not. It plainly says that some will be saved, but everything they worked for in this life will be burnt up because it was not built according to God's will and plan. Whatever you do, make it as to the Lord, for His glory. Lead people to Jesus and those works will endure for ever.

No one can know when will exactly be the end. But we know is that we are living in the End Times. Only God The Father, knows when... Apocalypse cannot be described properly in films. It's far more than what you can see. Btw, I've watched all the three Left Behind movies:D

I also heard that the Rapture won't happen until everybody had the chance
And Shelesh, somewhere in the New Testament it mentions somethinig about powerful machines and guns... is that true? Because back when the Bible was written I don't think any of that stuff was there... so its going to heppen any day now

Here some links... am sure you'll find them very interesting:

YouTube - Rapture (Signs) You MUST See This! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG3UryPK9iM)

YouTube - The Rapture Left Behind Coming of Christ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlz79qOLnss)

YouTube - The Rapture Horror (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pHV4m5da8Y)


To be able to download from you tube, download YouTube downloader software first.. (There are also other software you can use)

Haha, sorry to interject a levity... but where's the link to Debbie Harry's Rapture?

... sorry :( , 'tis the 80s guy coming out in me :)

i also heard that the Rapture won't happen until everybody had the chance
and Shelesh, somewhere in the New Testament it mentions somethinig about powerful machines and guns...is that true?! Because back when the Bible was written i dont think any of that stuff was there...so its gonna heppen any day now

The rapture won't happen until the last person to be in the Church gets saved. As far as machine guns go... NO it is NOT true. John in Revelation wrote of future events and he tried to explain things he had NEVER seen before . It would be difficult to live in that time and see future helicopters, nuclear bombs, gun, trucks, cars... he had nothing to compare it to to his day. He describes things the best he could... for instance he says (paraphrasing) that there were giant locus with a mans head that would sting a man and that sting would last 5 months. Now you can take that literally or some think it could be a helicopter... so he didn't mention anything any type of machinery but tried to compare it to what he already KNEW to describe things.

I have said it before and although RickJ thinks end times can be interrupted defiantly... I don't. I think the bible is crystal clear when you study ALL the scripture.. both nt and out.

I recently thought about something I want to point out in connection with the rapture, specifically concerning the Anti-Christ who will emerge after the rapture.
There have been several men that some thought were the Anti-Christ in history, starting with Nero Caesar and including (I think) Joe Stalin and Hitler.
There are even some people who think Obama is the Anti-Christ. (I know he's not)
Now those of you who believe that The Anti-Christ is historical are going to have to revise your thinking.
You are going to have to either: 1. Dismiss the Book of Revelation as false. OR 2. Accept that fulfillment if future.
Why? Because it was written about 90 AD. The Apostle John who is credited with being the author was certaily aware that the Temple in Jerusalem had been destroyed in 70 AD, so when whe wrote of the Anti-Christ seating himself in the Temple proclaiming himself as god, John could not possibly have been referring to Nero.
There has never been a Temple in Jerusalem since 70 AD. So the fulfillment of these passages remain future.
And of course, in the context of the whole Book of Revelation, the Temple has to be the one located in Jerusalem.

bobbalina
The verse you mention is one of several that indicate the existence of Purgatory.
In answer to your questions.
1. no.
2.no.
3. It is just a fictional movie based on misinterpretation of Scripture
Peace and kindness, Fred

bobbalina
The verse you mention is one of several that indicate the existence of Purgatory.
In answer to your questions.
1. no.
2.no.
3. It is just a fictional movie based on misinterpretation of Scripture
Peace and kindness, Fred

So then may we conclude that you reject the Book of Revelation?

Purgatory is not the subject of this thread, but would be willing to discuss it if you want to.

galveston,
Yes I believe that book AND the rest of the bible,
Purgatory was discussed here long ago.
If you want to start another thread on it I'll be happy to help out on it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

galveston,
Yes I believe that book AND the rest of the bible,
Purgatory was discussed here long ago.
If you want to start another thread on it I'll be happy to help out on it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I'll accept that you believe the Book of Revelation. So now explain why you think the references to Anti-Christ were written about Nero. Re-read my previous post on this.

Now those of you who believe that The Anti-Christ is historical are going to have to revise your thinking.
You are going to have to either: 1. Dismiss the Book of Revelation as false. OR 2. Accept that fulfillment if future.
Why? Because it was written about 90 AD. The Apostle John who is credited with being the author was certaily aware that the Temple in Jerusalem had been destroyed in 70 AD, so when whe wrote of the Anti-Christ seating himself in the Temple proclaiming himself as god, John could not possibly have been referring to Nero.
There has never been a Temple in Jerusalem since 70 AD. So the fulfillment of these passages remain future.
And of course, in the context of the whole Book of Revelation, the Temple has to be the one located in Jerusalem.

Btw, why is it that so many people seem to think that the return of Jesus Christ means the end of the world? Nothing could be further from the truth. (The OP first question)

galveston,
666 is the numerical equivalent of Nero's full name and has been know as such for 2000 years.
The anti-christ who will sit on the throne in Jerusalem may not have yet been born although some now claim that he was elected president of the USA this last year.
But I think not because the third temple has not been built and will not be so for quite a few years yet.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

The antic-Christ and false prophet are clearly future events. When Christ comes back to earth he will shut them up with a word and they are both thrown LIVE into the lake of fire... or did that happen already and I missed it? Lol
It is pure folly for anyone to think Obama could be the anti-christ. First scripture is clear the man will rise up out of the revived roman empire.

Having said that, we can see how Obama is able to speak very well and how popular he is here and really in the world. Think how easy it will be for the anti-christ... not only will he be a man with an ability to communicate well, he will have POWER behind him.

galveston,
666 is the numerical equivalent of Nero's full name and has been know as such for 2000 years.
The anti-christ who will sit on the throne in Jerusalem may not have yet been born although some now claim that he was elected president of the USA this last year.
But I think not because the third temple has not been built and will not be so for quite a few years yet.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred, don't you see how confused this sounds? First you say the events of the Book of Revelation are lready fulfilled, then you admit to a third Temple in Jerusalem with the Anti-Christ sitting there.

I thought you believed that Nero was Anti-Christ? Even if his name DOES have the numerical value of 666, his is not the only one to do so. There have been others, and they weren't the Anti-Christ either.

So I see that you DO believe that the Revelation prophecies are yet to be fulfilled.

You have to remember that some so called christian churches do not believe in the rapture, or the end of times. They have some unfounded notions that we are either in the tribulation and that there will be a "great" tribulation in the future. Or some other such silly notion. Those people apparently cannot read the bible and understand what it is telling us about the end of times without some other book written by man to interpret the bible for them. Other books are nice to read and use for edification, but many do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Just because a book is sold in a Christian book store does not necessarily mean it is teaching the Word of God correctly.

classyT,
Please read closely what I said.
I said that MOST of Revelation has been fulfilled.
The Third Temple obviously has not been built as history tells us.
History does tell us what has been fulfilled.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

classyT,
Please read closely what I said.
I said that MOST of Revelation has been fulfilled.
The Third Temple obviously has not been built as history tells us.
History does tell us what has been fulfilled.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Going to have to disagree with you again, Fred.
We are NOW living in the Church age, as pictured by the letters to the 7 churches in Asia Minor. Since we are STILL in that age, IT is not yet completely fulfilled yet.
Everything else in Revelation happens AFTER the Church age.

I doubt this will convince you, but it is so anyway.

galveston ,
OK to believe as you wish.
You know that I will.
Thanks anyway,
Peace and kindness,
Fred

The first thing that is gonna happen is the rapture of the Church...then the revealing of the Antichrist and him signing a 7 year peace treaty with Israel. There is NOTHING that needs to happen..the stage is set and it could happen any time.

It will NOT be just like the left behind series...that was fun to read but it was fiction. There were things in left behind that was not biblically correct...such as knowing, hearing and even preaching the gospel but being left behind and still having a chance for salvation. The Bible is clear, if you have heard the gospel and rejected it...you get no second chance.

That is very interesting to me about the signing of the peace treaty with Israel.Can anyone explain the significance of that as I thought the Israelite were God's chosen people.

artlady,
The bible says that the Jews ARE God's first born.
According to ancient law the first born are those the inherit. That is why Jesus was born a Jew.
God did not and will not ignore Israel.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

That is very interesting to me about the signing of the peace treaty with Israel.Can anyone explain the significance of that as I thought the Israelite were God's chosen people.

Israel will be restored to favor with God during the Great Tribulation. Of course, they will suffer greatly, and many will die, but the remnant will accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and they will be protected and move on into the Millennium.

As to the peace treaty, you have to understand that most of the rest of the world will be against Israel at that time. Anti-Christ will sign a 7 year peace treaty with Israel but he will break it after 3 1/2 years and invade.

There have been many treaties made with Israel and her enemies, but none have lasted for long. Someone will appear on the scene who has enough influence with the Muslims to convince them to let Israel alone. That man will be the Anti-Christ, the Man of Sin.

galveston,
THAT was very interesting.
Fred

That is very interesting to me about the signing of the peace treaty with Israel.Can anyone explain the significance of that as I thought the Israelite were God's chosen people.

Well I completely agree with Galveston. You can see right now how Israel is God's chosen people. There is no earthly reason for that little nation to even be there. It is a MIRACLE. In my opinion for the scoffers out there that there that don't believe there IS a God and that the Bible is indeed true.. all one would have to do is look at the Jew and Israel. Ok, I will get off my soap box.

Anyway, I believe that the US ( who protects Israel now) will be in a position to where they will be unable to offer her help. We are in a terrible state economically right now... imagine if millions in this country were suddenly gone... disappeared into thin air. TALK ABOUT a mess. Israel WILL need protection and the answer will be the man of sin who comes on the scene as a man of wisdom, marvelous words and most importantly PEACE. The time is coming... I believe soon.

Some random thoughts about understanding the Book of Revelation.

The letters to the 7 churhes covers the Church age. We are still in it for now.

The 7 seals, especially the first 4, give an overview of conditions during the tribulation period.

The Book is made up of a series of visions. When you see the words "after this" you know a new vision is seen.

Visions of events are not necessarily in chronological order.

The events pictured cover everything from the rise of Anti-Christ until the establishment of the Kingdom under Christ in the Millennium.

For those of you who think that it is all historical, I can point out several things that have not happened yet.

Maybe this will help someone to better understand the Book.

Gal,

Again I agree witcha... I don't know if I said this before but I thought this was REALLY interesting... do you know Laodecia means? It is translated the peoples rights!! How relevant is that now. The bible is amazing.

Maybe this will help someone to better understand the Book.

agree..

The 7 letters to the church can be seen as what now is taking place...

The 7 seals can be easily matched to the foretold warning to be watch that are written in Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

Seal # 1 ( Rev 6:2 ) the white horse with the bow and crown (bow = toxon) apparently as the simplest fabric, worn by man matched to = Matthew 24:4

Seal # 2 ( Rev 6:3-4 ) red w/power is a war horse matched to the = Matthew 24:6

Seal # 3 ( Rev 6:5-5-6 ) black horse w/balances in hand, economy in bad shape (great sorrow) matched to = Matthew 24:7

Seal # 4 ( Rev 6:7 ) pale horse death/satan and hunger = Matthew 24:8

Seal # 5 (Rev 6: 9 ) souls slain for the spoken Word of God by testimony = Matthew 24:9

Seal # 6 (Rev 6: 12 ) sun became black, the moon became blood, stars fell from th sky = Matthew 24:29

Seal # 7 (Rev 7:2 thr 8:1) The Living God, he cries w/aloud voice (hurt not those w/The Seal of God within their forehead, his elect) = Matthew 24:30

{{{The Trumpets Begin}}}
Revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The seals are our warning, and sealed within our forehead in the hope that we overcome satan/death by being the watchmen of righteousness in obedience. No one can be touch that has the seal within their forehead!
The Trumpets are the sound of executation of order, and the Veals are the wrath of God.

Gal,

again i agree witcha...i don't know if i said this before but I thought this was REALLY interesting....do you know Laodecia means? It is translated the peoples rights!!!!! how relevant is that now. The bible is amazing.

Could explain the mega-church?

I do believe that some of the book of Revelation has come to pass and more will take place in the future.
However, I also velieve that the return of Chrsit is still many years away' at least 100 years.
Peace and kindness,
Fred
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I personally think it will happen in my lifetime (im 17)... well that's what everyone is telling me...

i personally think it will happen in my lifetime (im 17)...well thats what everyone is telling me...

In my opinion Israel nation marked 1948 as to what is written in scripture. That we can see, put us within the fig tree generation..

God has shown previously that change comes after 70 years.. We can not know the actually time and date. We can only watch for the signs that have been foretold in scripture.

Learn the parable of the fig tree (Christ instructed)

Could explain the mega-church?

Maybe... I was just thinking about us in America and how it is all about our "rights"... go to the politcal boards here and it is all about what is Our RIGHTS!. Never before in history have people complained, proclaimed and demanded their so called "rights"! How fitting the church of Laodecian would be translated... the peoples rights!

classyT
I know you are familiar with Watchman Nee.Have you read ''The Orthodoxy of the Church''?

You can not know the day or the hour
But you CAN know the season.
We are in the beginning of the season'
We will go through much of the tribulation because the second coming (rapture) happens at the seventh trumpet when the anti christ is revealed.

The verses you are referring to are the judgments of God when Christians receive their rewards or crowns,
Here are some sites on that

http://www.shangralafamilyfun.com/BibleStudy/FiveCrowns.txt

A Bible Study on The judgment seat and rewards (http://www.parentalguide.com/Documents/Doctrines/Judgment_seat_and_rewards.htm)

I believe the anti christ will be revealed within the next 10 to 30 years

Galveston:
The mega churches are the ones that used to be called non denominational like the televangelists ones like joel Osteens church.

No. 1-No.
No.2- No, the book is fiction but the author is a highly respected Pastor and knows the bible and he is giving everybody a good idea of what is going to happen. I think it will be worst. Read on.

You can't pick up a newspaper or turn on TV without agreeing that the world is in a terrible state and needs to be judged definitely and decisively. But before God judges our Christ rejecting sinful world, He will take us, His children, home to heaven.

If my house was infected with termites and I had to fumigate, even if my children were being a bit rebellious or difficult, I would still make sure they were out of the house before the tent went up and the gas was pumped in.

If we earthly parents are concerned about our children's safety, how much more is our heavenly Father concerned about the safety of His children.

Not only will the rapture insure our safety... but it will also bring about salvation.
Preaching on the day of pentecost, Peter spoke of the day when the sun shall be darkened, whenthe moon shall turn to blood, when whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved (Acts2:16-21) But if you cannot receive Jesus Christ in this day of grace what makes you think you will be able to stand for Him in the time of intense persecution? Those who acknowledge Jesus as Lord in the tribulation will be saved...
But they will lose their heads in the process (Rev 20:4)

I read where Lifsaving Techniques dictates that if a drowning person fights against him, a lifeguard must knock out the drowning person in order to save him. So too, the tribulation is Gods knockout punch to shake up the heathen in order to save them.

During this time Elijah and Moses will preach in the streets of Jerusalem (Rev 11) 144,000
Jewish evangelists will preach throughout the world (Rev 7) And when Jesus returns with His saints all of Israel will lift their eyes and say" where did you get those wounds?
Jesus will answer "In the house of my friends (Zechariah 13) Then the entire nation of Israel shall be saved (Rom 11) What a glorious day that will be. The tribulation will purge the world of the evilness which permeates our planet to such a degree that the millennium ,even ecology will be restored . That is why the mountain will break forth into song and the trees of the fields shall clap their hands (Isaiah 55:12) Why the lion will lie down with the lamb (Isaiah11:6) Jesus is coming soon. He will call us to be with Him.
His coming is the ultimate answer to every heart problem.

MAGGIE 3

On this subject: From Jay Sekulow
Meanwhile, at the United Nations, a drastic move is reportedly underway to make the anti-Christian measure, ''Combating Defamation of Religions,'' BINDING - MANDATORY - for member nations, including America.

It would criminalize proclamation of the Gospel around the globe. Speaking out against Islam, for example, would be an international crime.

It is later than some of you think.

galveston,
Indeed it is later than some think
But silencing Christianity will fail as all attempts in the past have failed.
Jesus wants His story told to many.
Though it may be troublesome to do so..
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Obviously and honestly I am not one who believes in man's doctrine of the rapture.

However the tribulation will occur just as scripture tells us, and has warned us. I feel Christ example man's ability in being weak, is shown in the watch the disciples fell asleep on, and it was during Christ absence to go pray. (Matthew 26:38)
Think about it.. because Christ went 3 times to show the evidence of this happening.


Do you feel we are not going to see this same way of not being watchful, and falling asleep in weakness, taking place ? I believe we will.. And that we have been foretold these things for a good reason. Christ is our way, and He has shown us His way for a good reason.
Acts 2:17-19 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

This is a foretold sign that I believe we should be watchful to see, and understand. And in trust of His way and His strength. These are included in the signs that are God's seals, lock within your forehead. Acts 2:20-21 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.


Note(Acts 2:22-24) Does show Christ's path on this earth against satan/death, full of wonders and signs in His conquering over death.

David is our witness to what we should understand, and we too should not be moved in fear of wickness. Because the Lord remains as the the right hand of strength over us. Acts 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

We rest in Christ, in hope, in His strength as this chaper goes on to tell us. We must compare our life and the path we are foretold will take place. How Christ was the way... The true way and only way to overcome death.

Acts 2:26-27 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Now compare Acts 2:26-27 with Acts 2:31-32 (It is the promise of our way in being what His way was, and how to overcome death)

Act 2:31-32 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.


Acts 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

Do you recall the glory of God's contenance on Moses face?

( Num 6:25 Psa 11:7 Psa 44:3 Psa 80:16 Psa 89:15 Mat 28:3 Revel 1:16 )

Can you see anything harming His children when they have His contenance which is like the sun that shines in His strength? The sun is hot, much to hot in touch, and it would burn anything that came to close to it's path.

~His way

galveston,
Indeed it is later than some think
But silencing Christianity will fail as all attempts in the past have failed.
Jesus wants His story told to many.
Though it may be troublesome to do so..
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Of course the devil will fail to stop the gospel.
What this effort on a global scale shows is how near the Tribulation period can be.
And if the Tribulation is close, how close can we be to the rapture? (I know you don't believe that, but many of us do.)

Of course the devil will fail to stop the gospel.

So True, for all that is written must be fulfilled.

Matthew 24:4-14 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.



What this effort on a global scale shows is how near the Tribulation period can be.


So True again.. for Christ warned us for good reason to watch..do not fall asleep



And if the Tribulation is close, how close can we be to the rapture? (I know you don't believe that, but many of us do

Woe Woe Woe have you read of Woe # 1 Woe # 2 Woe #3 in Revelation? There are 3... evident indentity once again shown to what fulfills what is written

Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.Luke 21:22 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! For there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Christ prayed to the Father that the cup would not pass Him... This was the cup of God's Wrath that Jesus prayed in evidence in wanting death not to touch man...It is God's cup of Wrath that has been foretold to the wicked and told to fear.

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].

Matthew 26:42-43 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done. And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words.

Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

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Revealation 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Does that verse put those with the seal of God still on earth? Yes, clearly satn has 5 months to hurt only those who don't have the seals in their forehead READ READ READ.. .


Revealtion 9:4 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment [was] as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

Revelation 9:12 One woe is past; [and], behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

In that 5 months the 7 seals will occur... foretold to warn you with God's seals in our forehead..

sndbay,
Very good posts.
Thanks much.
Fred

The antic-Christ and false prophet are clearly future events. When Christ comes back to earth he will shut them up with a word and they are both thrown LIVE into the lake of fire...or did that happen already and I missed it? lol
It is pure folly for anyone to think Obama could be the anti-christ. First scripture is clear the man will rise up out of the revived roman empire.

Having said that, we can see how Obama is able to speak very well and how popular he is here and really in the world. Think how easy it will be for the anti-christ....not only will he be a man with an ability to communicate well, he will have POWER behind him.

Yes Nero was here before the rest of the things that have to happen before the anti christ is revealed.
The Bible says there will be many anti christs... Nero. Hitler. etc. but THE ONE of revelation has not appeared yet.

Here's more on the tribulation period.


Rev 8:8-11
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
(KJV)

John describes what he saw. To me these two events sound like an asteroid strike and a nuclear or thermonuclear explosion.

A falling asteroid would look something like a burning mountain. The fact that it falls into the sea (Medeterrainian?) explains why the damage is not worse than it is.

The bitter water could be radioactive, causing death.

IF this idea happens to be right, then the world is looking at both a natural disaster and a man made disaster in close succession.

Here's more on the tribulation period.

Rev 8:8-11
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
(KJV)



We have to remember in chapter 7 and the first verse chapter 8 the seals were shown. The seals were what the Lamb opened to be foretold and shown. The 7th seal is Christ who returns..

Now Chapter 8 are the trumpets, and this is the sounding of what is executed. These trumpets are in order..

Note:[/ (Revel 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues)

Note: ( Due 4:24 For the LORD thy God [is] a consuming fire, [even] a jealous God.)


God's fire is the anger towards false teaching, and evil works. God will permit by delusion what people chose to follow in other gods, and when they fall to satan's deception. 1/3 of all creation fell to the death known in satan's deception, and the ships are those who supplied the teaching.

(Revel 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.)

The star is known as satan, the anti-christ that offers death in his water given to drink, in comparison to the living water and true Christ. Those people who follow satan were made bitter. (Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.)


Satan will have power to decease and will attempt to make people think 1/3 of the star, 1/3 of the sun, and 1/3 moon changes... Who will believe in him?

Sorry, I think the devastation will be literal, even though the description may be difficult for a man knowing nothing about nuclear devices

The first rule in undestanding Scripture is to accept statements as literal unless it is clear from the context that it is to be taken symbolicaly.

N0help4u,
I very much agree with your post here.
Nero has come and gone but the anti-Christs keep on coming along,
Fred

Sorry, I think the devastation will be literal, even though the description may be difficult for a man knowing nothing about nuclear devices

The first rule in undestanding Scripture is to accept statements as literal unless it is clear from the context that it is to be taken symbolicaly.

Let me make myself more clear about what is literal, satan does today tempt us.. The ( trumpets are signs ) of how the word must be fulfilled, and true even today as they are being carried out. The executed events that are like for Example 911, was a bitterness within the hearts of those who crashed into the building, and killed many people. A bitterness that tells man that god has told them to do this.

As we continue through bitterness we will come to 4 additional signs/trumpets that show next that satan is coming soon. Then the Woes begin (8:13), and the anti-christ is released on earth @ the fifth trumpet (9:2)

Chapter 9 which I have already posted makes it clear that by the command of God, nothing of earth with the seal of God in their forehead can be harmed. (Remember 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.)

The question is do we believe that death itself is satan, and life is our Lord? YES

Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

sndbay,
Yes I believe that Scripture should be literally taken, but that depends of who interprets it and how.
Do they take the culture and times it was written as well as what history has shown into consideration or not?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Do you know if you are going to heaven? Admit to God you are a sinner deserving of hell. Ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins and save you. The bible says Jesus came into the world to save sinners. Read matthew ch. 24 to answer your ques.

kbrockway,
Yes, my belief is that I am destined for heaven because of what Jesus said and did.
He is my Lord and savior.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

sndbay,
Yes I believe that Scripture should be literally taken, but that depends of who interprets it and how.
Do they take the culture and times it was written as well as what history has shown into consideration or not?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Not the topic of this thread and best answered in it's own posting.

[QUOTE=sndbay;1598288]So True, for all that is written must be fulfilled.


Does that verse put those with the seal of God still on earth? Yes, clearly satn has 5 months to hurt only those who don't have the seals in their forehead READ READ READ.. .

Those sealed and still on Earth are the tribulation saints, most of whom will be Israelites. The tribulation period is the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy, and is the time of "Jacob's Trouble" and for the "purification of Levi".

Nothing of the Church is seen on Earth during this time.

So True, for all that is written must be fulfilled.


Does that verse put those with the seal of God still on earth? Yes, clearly satan has 5 months to hurt only those who don't have the seals in their forehead READ READ READ.. .

Those sealed and still on Earth are the tribulation saints, most of whom will be Israelites. The tribulation period is the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy, and is the time of "Jacob's Trouble" and for the "purification of Levi".

Nothing of the Church is seen on Earth during this time.

I'd like to ask you to explain your point further.

Explain also Jesus foretold message of warning in Matthew 24:4-14?

Matthew 24:4-14 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

I'd like to ask you to explain your point further.

Explain also Jesus foretold message of warning in Matthew 24:4-14?

Matthew 24:4-14 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus' words were in reply to a JEWISH question about the temple which Jesus had just said would be destroyed. Much of the prophecy of this complete passage was fulfilled in 70 AD. That part about "this generation" applied to that destruction. Some of the prophecy is now being fulfilled (wars, persecution, etc.)

Now think about this:
Dan 9:25-27
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(KJV)

This is not a simple prophecy to understand, but the timetable is broken down: (7 weeks) (62 weeks) and (1 week).

According to history and the Jewish calendar, Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem and was crucified right on schedule, thus ending the 69 weeks. One week remains, but since all this applies to Israel, when she rejected Christ, the Church age began. That is of indeterminate duration and when it ends, the final week of Daniel's prophecy will begin. It should be obvious that the Church age and the final week of Israel's age before the Millennium will not be concurrent.

I don't know if you can find this book, but it is a scholarly work and gives great detail on the time line of Daniels prophecy.

It is The Coming Prince by Sir Robert Anderson
Library of Congress Catalog Number 63-11464
ISBN 0-8254-2115-2

Galvison,
I think that the Daniel prophesy has long ago been fulfilled.
Fred

Now think about this:
Dan 9:25-27
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(KJV)

This is not a simple prophecy to understand, but the timetable is broken down: (7 weeks) (62 weeks) and (1 week).

According to history and the Jewish calendar, Jesus made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem and was crucified right on schedule, thus ending the 69 weeks. One week remains, but since all this applies to Israel, when she rejected Christ, the Church age began. That is of indeterminate duration and when it ends, the final week of Daniel's prophecy will begin. It should be obvious that the Church age and the final week of Israel's age before the Millennium will not be concurrent.



26 after threescore and two weeks.. The definite Article here marks this period as mentioned in verse 24 after the 483 years.. How long after is not stated but it must be soon or even immediately after the Messiah was presented and proclaimed in Jerusalem as Prince. Decreed in the month of Nisan, the same month as the events of Matt.21:1-26 Chapter 9 Zech; Luke 19:41-44 (this thy day) threescore and two: the sixty-two sevens = 434 years (see verse 25 cut off )

the people: the Roman people referred in Luke 19:41-44 and 21:20

the prince that shall come: "the little horn" of chapter 7:8, 24-26 and 8:9-12, 23-25

shall destroy the city: Matthew 21: 41; Matthew 22:7

For the present interval between verse 26 and 27 see (Luke 4:18-20 and Luke 21:24) This fills the first half of the "week"See: Revelation 11:3-5 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. (Zech 4:3-12)

the midst of the week...= the middle of the week(at the end of the first three and a half years)

Jesus' words were in reply to a JEWISH question about the temple which Jesus had just said would be destroyed.

Yes, but his disciples came to him in verse 24:3 and asked Jesus, tell us when these things will be? And the "signs " of your coming? and the end of this world?



Much of the prophecy of this complete passage was fulfilled in 70 AD.

The teaching is all that Christ has to say to warn us.. foretold warning



Some of the prophecy is now being fulfilled (wars, persecution, etc.)



This has not happen yet... It will indeed take place as will all that is written be fulfilled.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) (Daniel 12:11) (Daniel 11:31) (Daniel 9:27)

Woe the abomination of desolation!!!

Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

galvison,
I think that the Daniel prophesy has long ago been fulfilled.
Fred

If that were so then we would be in the Millennium or have past through it already.

bobbalina,
No one really truly knows when the end of this age will come with the return of Christ.
Though there are som who claim the know what will happen, I believe that they do not because prophesy is interpreted on many ways by many people and the only real way we know what prophesy means is after it has been fulfilled. That is when we understant what the prophesy meant.
That is the big problem with prophesy.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Some of the prophecy is now being fulfilled (wars, persecution, etc.)



Galveston,

Please let me state clearly that I do believe we are seeing scripture happen as it is written. Yet I do not consider anything fulfilled in what we have discussed until the final stage is completed. So when I said in my last posting #70 it has not happened yet, I just mean it is not yet actually fulfilled. And I see from your post you said "some" meaning not all.. So I think we can agree on that..

I also agree that Daniel has not yet been fulfilled.


However the Millennium is still to come, and will be a time of teaching with satan locked up completely for a 1000 years. At that time, there will be no temptation caused by his deception as we do experience today.

And I believe we are gathered here on earth by Christ for that peroid of teaching. That is the meaning and importance of "The Lord's Day " being warned and written in scripture (2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.)

Thus begins (Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.)

Confirming that satan is locked up until after the 1000 years. (Revelation20:7)

~In Christ

sndbay,
Wars, earthquakes, floods, the moon turning blood read, darkening of the sun, etc. have been going on since Jesus' time here on earth in the flesh and the will continue for some time yet to come.
Thus the signs of the end of time have been showing up for 2000 years.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fred,

Come ON! Israel became a nation in 1948!! We are in the last days and if you can't see that... I'm bringin you a pair of glasses and a smack upside the head. ( I'm teasing, I won't smack ya)

sndbay,
Wars, earthquakes, floods, the moon turning blood read, darkening of the sun, etc. have been going on since Jesus' time here on earth in the flesh and the will continue for some time yet to come.
Thus the signs of the end of time have been showing up for 2000 years.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Wars will always be against evil, and I believe it is God that leads the strong to conquer, just as scripture has shown. We are One Nation under God, and I pray we remain with that fact in mind and heart. Look at the freedom and libertity given to journey in new ways. God tells us not to worry or concern ourselves about wars, they are things that need be.

The types of floods we see today, I believe can be ones that teach us not to treasure material processions. And that God opens new doors, and paths from foolishness. The value in life, and loved ones is shown. And I trust God is a God of the living when death of the body is exampled in either of these sorrows.

The moon turning like blood is not the norm of occurances. And the signs should be taken seriously.. From the beginning in Genesis, God created the moon, sun and stars for signs. Not to be worshipped, but to show us His creation and path.

As ClassyT said come ON! Israel became a nation in 1948!!! We are in the last days ..

It is the Fig Tree generation... the bitter and sweet... and I believe the famine is for The Word.. Satan has tempted hourly for many years..

I personal trust the idea of Phl 1:23-24 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh [is] more needful for you.

And I feel we all have predestrined reason behind our life, I pray that we can be all God created us to be.

~ can only imagine

classyT
I agree we are in the last days and have been for a long time.
I also believe that it will be a long time yet before the return of Christ.
Y the way I have seen several blood red moons and know of quite a few darkenings of the sun. They are called eclipses.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Somewhere in the Bible... doesnt it mention warfare and guns? I'm pretty sure it says it somewhere in revelations but I can't find it

Fred,
Since you insist on beating this dead horse again and again. Answer this question for me please.
How if it is as you want to believe, then how do you reconcile your belief with Is; 66, LK 21;7-38?

Fred,
Since you insist on beating this dead horse again and again. Answer this question for me please.
How if it is as you want to believe, then how do you reconcile your belief with Is; 66, LK 21;7-38?

That is a good question?

AND: Fred did the eclipes end?
How about when the lights go out forever? Who will remain in darkness?

Revelation 22:4-5 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

somewhere in the Bible...doesnt it mention warfare and guns? im pretty sure it says it somewhere in revelations but i can't find it

War is mentioned in Revelation many times, but the word guns is questionable...

However:

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
also Luke 21:9

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Note: II Corinthains 10

(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Thanks sndbay... I think that was it :)