View Full Version : Promise rings, commitment and affection
secret_123
Jan 19, 2009, 09:00 PM
Hey, um I have been with my boyfriend for 16 months. I'm 17 and he is 18. I love him so much and I know he loves me too. But lately he isn't affectionate much at all, and it really bothers me. Also at christmas time, a friend asked him if he got me a promise ring and he said no, no way we hvaent been together long enough. That hurt. I think promise rings aren't about time its about love, and a friend of ours said that you don't have to be with them for a long time you have have to be in love with them. I don't know what to do, I feel really sad and I want our relationship to be how it was before, and the fact that he doesn't want to consider a promise ring scares me into thinking he isn't 100% committed. What should I do?
karebear0042
Jan 19, 2009, 09:05 PM
Talk to him about it. It may be that he just hasn't thought about it or didn't have the money. Maybe he's stressed about things. The best thing is to talk. It's horrible not knowing, but being in ignorance is worse. Hopefully its just a little thing on his side, but if it's a bigger problem, try to resolve it as soon as possible. Maybe he didn't get you one because he knows you want one or asked about it. Let him do it on his terms.
karebear0042
Jan 19, 2009, 09:07 PM
Oops, I missed the line where he said that you two weren't together long enough. I would still ask him about the fact that he isn't being as affectionate, though.
secret_123
Jan 19, 2009, 09:10 PM
Yeah I have tried talking to him about it and he just says that its not a big deal about the afffetion thing. And I don't know why he see's 16 months as not long enough. It just worries me that he doesn't seem to be totally committed.
karebear0042
Jan 19, 2009, 09:14 PM
Its not something you can really push, though. You can let him know your feelings, but you can't make him feel what you want him to feel. How much time do you two usually spend together and are you both graduated?
secret_123
Jan 19, 2009, 09:19 PM
He has finished school, and I have three terms left of my HSC. Then I'm done. And we see each other Friday saturdays and at least once during school nights, and we text all the time and talk on the phone almost every night.
karebear0042
Jan 19, 2009, 09:26 PM
I'm your age--im no expert, at all. But I have no clue what to tell you. Don't push it on the ring, but see if he's dedicated in other ways. Maybe he sees it as a big commitment and wants to wait a while more before that investment. In what ways is he being less affectionate?
secret_123
Jan 19, 2009, 09:28 PM
Yeah I guess so. Thank you! And just in little ways. Like when we were first together he wanted to hug and kiss me and hold me and stroke my skin and stuff like that, but now I'm alwys hugging him or kissing him and stuff. It sounds silly, but I keep thinkine well their must be reason for this
411Help
Jan 19, 2009, 09:34 PM
As you two aren't going to get engaged, You shouldn't be stressing over a mere symbol, "promise ring". But, if he is starting to act distant you need to back off a little, as this is usually a sign he's losing interest.
Have fun, loosen up. There's no need to stress over little things.
karebear0042
Jan 19, 2009, 09:36 PM
Maybe its just the whole thing of new love where he was always trying to impress you or get used to you. Its probably just that he's fallen into a routine and doesn't think anything of it.Try going out more or doing interesting things together. Make dinner together--I think that's a lot funner than going out on a date. Or if you two do go out to eat, go that extra step to look REALLY good for him. Tell him that you miss how it was and that you find it really cute when he hugs or kisses you out of his own initiative. It's the little things that count. =]
secret_123
Jan 19, 2009, 09:37 PM
Prmoise rings aren't just for when your going to get engaged. They can be for anything that represents a promise. Like it could be just a promise ring symbolising that he will be monogamous to me or something
411Help
Jan 19, 2009, 09:38 PM
Do you really need a ring to solidify your love?
secret_123
Jan 19, 2009, 09:39 PM
Thanks you so much for your help, its good to know that someone understands me! Lol
secret_123
Jan 19, 2009, 09:40 PM
Do you really need a ring to solidify your love?
No I don't. But it's the fact that he doesn't want it at all, which could mean that he doesn't want the commitment to go with it. Its not just the physical ring, I don't care if he gave me a burger ring and said here, this is my promise ring that I will never cheat on you or something. It's the meaning behind it not the ring
karebear0042
Jan 19, 2009, 09:45 PM
You're Welcome =D. If it's a bigger problem, it will come up sooner or later, but I doubt it. Don't be confrontational, but be cute when you say it--give him motivation to do it more often. When he does come up to hug you, say it means a lot to me when you do that, or something like that. Don't be too overstressed or push the ring thing too much. Now that he knows that you're interested in one, maybe he'll get you one for the two year anniversary. It's much more romantic than christmas. =).
secret_123
Jan 19, 2009, 09:47 PM
You're Welcome =D. If its a bigger problem, it will come up sooner or later, but I doubt it. Dont be confrontational, but be cute when you say it--give him motivation to do it more often. When he does come up to hug you, say it means a lot to me when you do that, or something like that. Don't be too overstressed or push the ring thing too much. Now that he knows that you're interested in one, maybe he'll get you one for the two year anniversary. It's much more romantic than christmas. =).
Naw, I shaw hope so. And our two year anniversary is the day beofre my birthday too :D
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 06:30 AM
If you are going to push this envelope you are going to walk a fine line. First, you're only 17 and not done high school and promise rings usually mean marriage, which neither of you are ready for. At your age you should be enjoying the relationship, not worried about getting a promise ring or anything of the sort. 16 months may seem like a long time, but there are people who have been together for a lot longer that aren't married or engaged. Just let this go and enjoy the time you two share together
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 07:40 AM
If you are going to push this envelope you are going to walk a fine line. First, you're only 17 and not done high school and promise rings usually mean marriage, which neither of you are ready for. At your age you should be enjoying the relationship, not worried about getting a promise ring or anything of the sort. 16 months may seem like a long time, but there are people who have been together for a lot longer that aren't married or engaged. Just let this go and enjoy the time you two share together
Promise rings are for whatever you want them to be. I can't give one to my best friend and signify my promise that I will always be there for them and that I promise to be by their side forever.
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 07:48 AM
Everyone knows what a promise ring means, it is a promise to a romantic partner as a precursur to marriage. I'm not going to be sold on that BS that you are just looking for him to show his commitment to you.
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 07:51 AM
Everyone knows what a promise ring means, it is a promise to a romantic partner as a precursur to marriage. I'm not going to be sold on that BS that you are just looking for him to show his commitment to you.
Lol. Okay buddy. Well I shaw as hell don't want to get married right now. And a promise ring is whatever you want it to mean. It can mean that, but it signifies a promise. Google it or something buddy.
kctiger
Jan 20, 2009, 07:51 AM
What do you hope to get out of a promise ring? If you don't consider it a step towards marriage, then why do you need him to give you one? Is it so you have assurance he is committed to you? Just want to be clear here before I deliver my honest opinion...
Google Results: Pretty much what Rome stated...(Click Me) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promise_ring)
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 07:55 AM
I love when people think they know it all. I've never given a promise ring to someone just for friendship, sure it can mean that, but it's not common these days. Perhaps googling it for you meant going to the first site(wiki) which is NOT an acceptable source of information in a college format, oh wait you wouldn't know that.
I'm not going to dispute with you, your intentions of wanting a promise ring were quite clear. Your feelings were hurt because he said "no way" to a promise ring. If you were ready for a promise ring, this relationship would have an open line of communication in which you can communicate freely to him your concerns without an argument or judgemental actions.
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 07:57 AM
[QUOTE=kctiger;1497472]What do you hope to get out of a promise ring? If you don't consider it a step towards marriage, then why do you need him to give you one? Is it so you have assurance he is committed to you? Just want to be clear here before I deliver my honest opinion...
I don't NEED him to give me one. If you read my question again I never actually said I wanted one or needed one. It was more the fact he was so quick to say no no no blah blah, and trying to understand what the meaning, if there is one, is behind it.
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:00 AM
I love when people think they know it all. I've never given a promise ring to someone just for friendship, sure it can mean that, but it's not common these days. Perhaps googling it for you meant going to the first site(wiki) which is NOT an acceptable source of information in a college format, oh wait you wouldn't know that.
I'm not going to dispute with you, your intentions of wanting a promise ring were quite clear. Your feelings were hurt because he said "no way" to a promise ring. If you were ready for a promise ring, this relationship would have an open line of communication in which you can communicate freely to him your concerns without an argument or judgemental actions.
I didn't look at wiki but anyway. And I'm not saying I know everything, and oh big college boy hey haha. And read my question again, I never said I wanted one or needed one, I was concerned by his reaction and what was the meaning behind it. And it may not be common these days, but its done for personal prmoises between two people, so what does it matter whether others do it or not?
kctiger
Jan 20, 2009, 08:00 AM
Perhaps he just doesn't believe in it, or he himself has some deep belief in the meaning of it, and isn't ready for that step yet. I am not sure you should over analyze it though. I am not trying to ruffle your feathers by the way, I just wanted to make sure I got a clear path to write my opinion.
As far as him being unaffectionate, I would assume that maybe your "honeymoon" phase is coming to an end, or the relationship has fallen into a deep, predictable pattern, and he has become complacent.
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 08:02 AM
You're only proving my point and possibly his at why he so quickly said "no" to a promise ring.
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:02 AM
Perhaps he just doesn't believe in it, or he himself has some deep belief in the meaning of it, and isn't ready for that step yet. I am not sure you should over analyze it though. I am not trying to ruffle your feathers by the way, I just wanted to make sure I got a clear path to write my opinion.
As far as him being unaffectionate, I would assume that maybe your "honeymoon" phase is coming to an end, or the relationship has fallen into a deep, predictable pattern, and he has become complacent.
Yeah I know all that. But I want to know some ways to get it back to how it was!
kctiger
Jan 20, 2009, 08:02 AM
he fact that he doesnt want to consider a promise ring scares me into thinking he isnt 100% committed. What should i do?
This is from your question. So my answer:
Grow up. A promise ring has nothing to do with commitment... you are reading way too much into it. Talk to him about this if you have a problem, but don't let it screw with your mind.
Carry on... :cool:
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:03 AM
You're only proving my point and possibly his at why he so quickly said "no" to a promise ring.
And why is that buddy?
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 08:04 AM
Communication is how you get it back to how it used to be. People change all the time, as do relationships between those people. If you can't talk about how you are feeling and what is concerning you then it's not going to get any better.
How many problems have been solved by sweeping it under the rug?
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:05 AM
You're only proving my point and possibly his at why he so quickly said "no" to a promise ring.
Oh and by the way, maybe you should read, then re-read my question. I never said I asked him for one or anything. Its not about the ring. Its about the meaning.
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 08:06 AM
and why is that buddy?
You are acting juvenile and he may be sensing this. You made it clear what your concerns were about the promise ring as KC pointed out.
Oh and I'll continue this lovely Dane Cook "buddy" crap I guess, so "that's why you're proving my point, pal"
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:07 AM
This is from your question. So my answer:
Grow up. A promise ring has nothing to do with committment...you are reading way too much into it. Talk to him about this if you have a problem, but don't let it screw with your mind.
Carry on...:cool:
So you seriously think promise rings have nothing to do with commitment. Then what exactly do you think they are for?
kctiger
Jan 20, 2009, 08:08 AM
Look Secret, the clear point is this:
If you are feeling that something has changed and you don't like it, talk to him about it. Seriously, just sit him down and tell him how you feel. I want you two to do this, otherwise you become another poster on here asking about a "Broken Heart."
It goes something like this:
"Hey baby, I just wanted to talk to you about a few things. Would you like to have dinner with me...?"
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 08:09 AM
What KC is trying to say, or at least I think he is, that you shouldn't need a promise ring in order to know that someone is committed to you and the relationship. The fact that you two are together should be reason enough to just believe that what you two have is enough.
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:10 AM
Communication is how you get it back to how it used to be. People change all the time, as do relationships between those people. If you can't talk about how you are feeling and what is concerning you then it's not going to get any better.
How many problems have been solved by sweeping it under the rug?
What the hell? You seriously need to read my question. I never said oh and we have heaps of trouble communication nor that we sweep things under the rug.
kctiger
Jan 20, 2009, 08:10 AM
If you honestly need a ring to make him show his commitment, then I would tell your immature a$$ to hit the road!
Welcome to AMHD. Sorry to be harsh, but I am sick of trying to help you and at the same time butting my head against a brick wall. Good luck. Instead of arguing with us, why don't you talk to him about it?
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 08:13 AM
yeah i know all that. but i want to know some ways to get it back to how it was!
Right there! You asked how to get it back to how it was, and my reply was "communication" because if you don't talk about what is bothering you then the relationship is going to come to an end.
If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions.
Like KC said, welcome to the AMHD, we don't sugarcoat anything!
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:14 AM
If you honestly need a ring to make him show his committment, then I would tell your immature a$$ to hit the road!
Welcome to AMHD. Sorry to be harsh, but I am sick of trying to help you and at the same time butting my head against a brick wall. Good luck. Instead of arguing with us, why don't you talk to him about it?
I'm not arguing with you, I'm discussing it with you. And ahh read the question. I am saying that by saying no to something that CAN in some circumstances like mine represent a certain level of commitment and a promise could it mean that he is afraid/avoiding full on commitment.
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 08:15 AM
You never said that it "could it mean" you said "scares me into thinking" which means you are already thinking that, not that you may think that way.
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:16 AM
Right there! You asked how to get it back to how it was, and my reply was "communication" because if you don't talk about what is bothering you then the relationship is going to come to an end.
If you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions.
Like KC said, welcome to the AMHD, we don't sugarcoat anything!
I didn't ask you to "sugarcoat"anything. And neither did I say anything like I don't like your answers or your answers are crap
kctiger
Jan 20, 2009, 08:16 AM
Secret, talk to him about it. Really. He is probably a really good guy, and you are no doubt a really good girl... but, like a lot of girls, you think guys can read your mind. We can't! Also, there is only so much we can do to show you we are committed. I mean, after he gives you a promise ring, then what? It is a vicious cycle, like he is constantly trying to prove he loves you and only you... get it?
Just sit him down, tell him how you feel, and work through this. I really think you are making a bigger deal out of it than you should. Just my opinion, which doesn't get you far in life, I know. :)
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:19 AM
Secret, talk to him about it. Really. He is probably a really good guy, and you are no doubt a really good girl...but, like a lot of girls, you think guys can read your mind. We can't! Also, there is only so much we can do to show you we are committed. I mean, after he gives you a promise ring, then what? It is a vicious cycle, like he is constantly trying to prove he loves you and only you...get it?
Just sit him down, tell him how you feel, and work through this. I really think you are making a bigger deal out of it than you should. Just my opinion, which doesn't get you far in life, I know. :)
I thought you were a girl lol. Um yeah I know that I shuld talk to him about it but what can I say? And what do you think about the other stuff
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 08:21 AM
Just sit him down and tell him exactly what you have told us, that you took it as he wasn't 100% committed to the relationship. If he is any type of a decent guy, he will want to put the girl that he loves mind at ease and reassure you that he is committed.
kctiger
Jan 20, 2009, 08:21 AM
You thought I was a girl... elaborate on that.
I wouldn't bring the promise ring up, and I wouldn't belittle him for the choices he made concerning that. Sometimes, a good talk can go a long way. TRUST ME. Just tell him how you feel about the changes in his behaviour, and go from there. This isn't anything that cannot be solved over a cup of coffee, or whatever, unless it turns into a bigger deal than it already is.
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:22 AM
Just sit him down and tell him exactly what you have told us, that you took it as he wasn't 100% committed to the relationship. If he is any type of a decent guy, he will want to put the girl that he loves mind at ease and reassure you that he is committed.
How will he show that though. If u just said that by being together that should show his commitment then how will he reassure me that he is committed
secret_123
Jan 20, 2009, 08:24 AM
You thought I was a girl...elaborate on that.
I wouldn't bring the promise ring up, and I wouldn't belittle him for the choices he made concerning that. Sometimes, a good talk can go a long way. TRUST ME. Just tell him how you feel about the changes in his behaviour, and go from there. This isn't anything that cannot be solved over a cup of coffee, or whatever, unless it turns into a bigger deal than it already is.
Oh I just mean I assumed you were a girl, then you said 'us' as in your a guy too.
But with the other stuff, the affection side of it, he's just like its no big thing ra ra. But like imagine how you would feel if the person you were with just stopped wanting to touch or kiss you or anything.
Romefalls19
Jan 20, 2009, 08:26 AM
Ok, I'm going to give you a little description of the last "problem" that my fiancé and I had, her ex made her feel like sh*t to put it bluntly, physical and mental abuse for 5 years(stayed because of kids) and she has a complex that I will be unhappy with her in the future because she is "flawed" and I deserve better and should go find better. How did I handle it, I sat her down, told her that she is the one I want, that she is the one I love and who I see in my future.
Any guy is going to make sure his spouse knows that his intentions are to be with them and to be in the relationship. Express your concerns calmly and rationally and he will do his best to put your mind at ease.
talaniman
Jan 20, 2009, 09:22 AM
secret_123;1496804, Hey, um I have been with my boyfriend for 16 months. I'm 17 and he is 18. I love him so much and I know he loves me too. But lately he isn't affectionate much at all, and it really bothers me.
Relax, the honeymoon phase is over, and the routine of life has began.
Also at Christmas time, a friend asked him if he got me a promise ring and he said no, no way we haven't been together long enough. That hurt.
Why should it? The conversation was between him and a friend, but obviously it has tripped you out because your taking it personally. DON'T!
I think promise rings aren't about time its about love, and a friend of ours said that you don't have to be with them for a long time you have have to be in love with them.
There you go again, taking what friends say as personal put down, he doesn't care about a promise ring and it really means nothing to him.
I don't know what to do, I feel really sad and I want our relationship to be how it was before, and the fact that he doesn't want to consider a promise ring scares me into thinking he isn't 100% committed
Your feelings are based on what friends tell you, not from honestly communicating directly with him. What does he say? Not your friends as their opinion means NOTHING!
What should I do?
Talk to him, and work on your own relationship with him, and not through the eyes and ears of friends. Relationships after the honeymoon stage takes adjustments by both parties to grow, so share, and care, and pay attention, as your more emotionally attached than he is, but you aren't being honest with him, as you are your friends. Don't be so insecure, and needy, that's no fun for either of you. You both need to know how you feel about things, so you won't be carried away by assuming he knows what your feeling, and vice versa.
Alty
Jan 20, 2009, 10:14 AM
I agree with the boys, Tal, KC and Rome.
Secret, if you aren't able to communicate with the one you love then your relationship isn't going to go anywhere, except into the toilet.
I realize that when you're young you think that love can only be shown through kissing, touching and gifts, but it's much more than that. He's with you, he's been with you for a while now, and it doesn't seem like he's going anywhere, a ring won't tie him to you, it's just a ring, no matter what you think it symbolizes.
I've been with my husband for 19 years, half my life, and at first it was all hugs and kisses, flowers and gifts, but after a year things slowed down, we were comfortable with each other, we didn't need all the hoopla! I still get flowers and gifts once in a while, but now it's special because it doesn't happen very often anymore, there are more important things than spending money on unnecessary proclamations of love. He shows me he loves me every day, by being there, listening to me and accepting who and what I am.
Do you understand? It's time to talk to him about how you feel.
talaniman
Jan 20, 2009, 10:28 AM
He shows me he loves me every day, by being there, listening to me and accepting who and what I am.
RATHER HAVE THIS ^^^^^^^^^...............OR A RING???
Alty
Jan 20, 2009, 10:33 AM
He shows me he loves me every day, by being there, listening to me and accepting who and what I am.
RATHER HAVE THIS ^^^^^^^^^...............OR A RING???
I think most people would give up every piece of jewelry they have to find love and acceptance. When we get older we do figure out what's important, and really, a ring isn't important at all, it is just a ring, nothing more.