OK I just wanted to know how can a man do this?

Lets just say that the two of you are in love and care a lot about each other and live with each other and you have been together for a while,

Now lets say that a man end up hanging with his friends and something bad happens like he goes to the strip club or plays strip poker with another female or cheats on you.
Then lets say that he comes back home to you and act like nothing ever happened.



MY question is... How can a man that loves you and cares for you look you right in the eyes and not tell you to your face what had happened. How can he act as if everything is OK? And why does a man intend on even doing this stuff like strip poker and strip clubs and lying to you if he loves you so much? WHy do they do these things in the first place? And why does he insist on not telling you about it?



I would love to get answers from a man.

And remember you love this girl and you have been together for a long time. How can you do it? And doesn't it kill you inside?

Because, cheaters are scum bags. They obviously don't have enough courage to mend what's wrong with their significant other so they go searching in another. While stringing along the current girl just in case.

But what if he didn't cheat. What if he just went to the strip club or he ended up playing strip poker with another girl but he never cheated because he knew it wasn't worth it.


Why would they do this? And why wouldn't they tell their lover that they did it? And how can they stand to even lie to you about it?

Playing strip poker with another girl is completely unacceptable, in my opinion.

The reasons behind this is very situational.

They didn't tell their lover because they feel guilty and was scared of the outcome.

Well first of all in all actuality I don't think he had any love for you from the beginning because real love does not end up that way, and the thing about love is that it has to have two real loves to create one.

As for the lying everybody lies. Some to keep things on an even keel , some to keep some things private etc, etc. maybey men more than women LOL I really don't know.
And as for the strip club and such , We are men. And some men can go do that stuff and be honest about it as well as loyal to their better half the whole time, but some men can't.

But none of this really makes someone a bad person or mean because most are natural reactions , with no harm intended. Its also hard to say that he didn't love you because he could have done it ,and all the time knew he was going home to you his woman , just scared to admit to it... right away , or thought it would be better if you found out later LOL there are too many aspects involved to give one type of answer

Hope this helps in any way possible

Well yes that is also considered cheating. I just don't underdstand how men can go around doing these things and lying to the one they love. When a man cheats or does something stupid like that. Does it even occur in the back of his mind that he has a girlfriend that he loves? And that its wrong? Could that be the reasons he didn't go on with the actual intimacy with her? But why didn't he stop when he was playing this game?

It's not just men. Women are prone to cheat, also.

Yes, men do realize what they are doing. But, like I said.. It's all situational... Some even do it for the rush.

Well, cheating on you is one thing. Going to a strip club is another. It really depends on the circumstances. You see, usually guys go to a stripclub to have fun as a group when the only thing they want is to have a good time. It's like a male bonding thing, similar to watching sports, or playing video games. It's a time were guys can be guys. There is nothing wrong with this unless a guy actively goes to a stripclub to get off or get private dances. If this is the case, then yes, it's not right.

If he was playing strip poker with some friends --girls and guys-- then it also depends on the circumstances. I mean, a game in a party with many others is just a game, and even if he was involved, I don't see it as bad, I mean it's only naked people. Nothing more. If it was a 2 on 2 or 1 on 1 session, then maybe it's a bit worse. But still, naked people.

What's he going to do? Say "oohhh sorry guys, I can't play/go to the stripclub with you cause I have a gf and it would be like cheating"... it's not even justified I think.

Perhaps instead of guessing what he did, you can tell us what you know and that way we can give you a more accurate analysis.

I know my ex didn't mind me going once to a stripclub with my friends. Neither did I mind her going to a bachelorette party with a couple of strippers. I mean, If it's a party or a social thing. Then there's nothing wrong in my eyes.

If he cheated on you emotionally or physically in the straightest sense of the word --outside a strip club-- and didn't tell you it's because he doesn't want to hurt you. Why hurt someone unnecessarily? Doesn't mean he doesn't love you and doesn't mean he doesn't regret it either. Yes it's wrong, VERY wrong. And not justifiable in any way. Cheating is cheating. But stripclubs and games are not as long as they stay harmless and in the sense of fun.

Yes I was about to say women do this also, I think you question should be more like why would anyone do this. Me as a man would never do this, Ive been to s strip club once and left not to long after because I felt so uncomfortable, and felt like very disrespectful to the girls there. So yeah not all men are like that. As for why he would do that well he obviosly doesn't care or love you at all. If you have t o lie to your love on then you really don't care or love them.

So youall knothis story is about my relationship. My boyfriend ended up going to the strip club which I don't mind because I wanted to go with him. But he lied to me about that and said he never went. Then I found out through a source that he had played strip poker with another female. I then of course confronted him and he said that he is really sorry and he loved me and that it was a mistake and he never cheated on me because of the fact that he knew it was not worth it. Now this happened about 3 months ago. And everyday I think about it specially every time he goes to his friend jasons. I am learning to control my jealousy and I am trying to learn to trust hima again but its hard for me, and I just need to know why men do these things and how can they lie about it everyday knowing they did something wrong. I know that if I did that to him I couldn't live with it and I would have to tell him.



IDK I just want to hear someone tell me that just because they do these things don't mean they don't care or love you. And that it was a mistake.



After this all happened Jamie hasn't left the house for like 2 months and he has proved himself but I just can't get around the fact that he was going to not tell me what happened and that he lied to me. How will I ever know he won't do it again?

Well, cheating on you is one thing. Going to a strip club is another. It really depends on the circumstances. You see, usually guys go to a stripclub to have fun as a group when the only thing they want is to have a good time. It's like a male bonding thing, similar to watching sports, or playing video games. It's a time were guys can be guys. There is nothing wrong with this unless a guy actively goes to a stripclub to get off or get private dances. If this is the case, then yes, it's not right.

If he was playing strip poker with some friends --girls and guys-- then it also depends on the circumstances. I mean, a game in a party with many others is just a game, and even if he was involved, I don't see it as bad, I mean it's only naked people. Nothing more. If it was a 2 on 2 or 1 on 1 session, then maybe it's a bit worse. But still, naked people.

What's he gonna do? Say "oohhh sorry guys, I can't play/go to the stripclub with you cause I have a gf and it would be like cheating" ....it's not even justified I think.

Perhaps instead of guessing what he did, you can tell us what you know and that way we can give you a more accurate analysis.

I know my ex didn't mind me going once to a stripclub with my friends. Neither did I mind her going to a bachelorette party with a couple of strippers. I mean, If it's a party or a social thing. Then there's nothing wrong in my eyes.

If he cheated on you emotionally or physically in the straightest sense of the word --outside a strip club-- and didn't tell you it's because he doesn't want to hurt you. Why hurt someone unneccesarily? Doesn't mean he doesn't love you and doesn't mean he doesn't regret it either. Yes it's wrong, VERY wrong. And not justifiable in any way. Cheating is cheating. But stripclubs and games are not as long as they stay harmless and in the sense of fun.

I don't thinkthe stripclub thing is bad I would go with him but how can he lie saying he never went when he did? Does he think I would be mad? And when he played strip poker it was 1 girl and 4 guys and he has ed her once before me and him were together. And I wasn't even there to make sure everything was OK.

so youall knothis story is about my relationship. my boyfriend ended up going to the strip club which i dont mind bc i wanted to go with him. but he lied to me about that and sed he never went. then i found out through a source that he had played strip poker with another female. I then of course confronted him and he sed that he is rly sorry and he loved me and that it was a mistake and he never cheated on me bc of the fact that he knew it was not worth it. now this happend about 3 months ago. and everyday i think bout it specially everytime he goes to his friend jasons. i am learning to control my jealousy and I am trying to learn to trust hima agian but its hard for me, and I just need to kno why men do these things and how can they lie about it everyday knowing they did something wrong. I kno that if I did that to him I couldnt live with it and I would have to tell him.



IDK I just want to hear someone tell me that just bc they do these things dont mean they dont care or love you. and that it was a mistake.



After this all happend Jamie hasnt left the house for like 2 months and he has proved himself but i just can't get around the fact that he was going to not tell me what happend and that he lied to me. how will i ever kno he wont do it again?

One thing you have to remember a relationship is, ALL about trust. If you can't trust them there should be no reason to be with someone all it will do is cause heartache. Honestly I think what you two need to do is sit him down and to have a honest conversation with him about trust and honesty. Once you can trust someone to the fullest your relationship with someone will be so much easier

He probably lied so you wouldn't get mad. I mean when you were a kid and you lied to your parents when you did something you thought was wrong it was for the same reason right?

The strip poker thing was just a game. Yes he should've told you about it. For some reason though he didn't maybe so you wouldn't get mad this chick was there--maybe for some other reason. The fact is neither of these is cheating. If he had done anything with her, then yes. But if this is your proof then he did nothing wrong. Maybe there's a reason he's not comfortable telling you the complete truth and thought it would be better not to tell you. This is not cheating, it's just lying.

Want him to tell you stuff? Then talk to him about it and listen to DJ28's advice.

All men are different, so their threshold for guilt will be different as well.

First of all, going to a strip club is definitely not cheating. But the strip poker thing is definitely pushing the limit. If my girlfriend decided she was going to play strip poker with a bunch of guys I would without a doubt wonder what else she is capable of since it would erode my trust in her. In fact, I would more than likely end the relationship with her as I feel that her doing that is a slap in my face and an embarrassment. This is especially true if you live together. If this is what your man has done then you should be at least suspicious and he should be sorry for it. If he isn't then he most likely doesn't love you. A game of strip poker does not just "happen" innocently between adults. There are motives behind the players actions that would most likely lead to cheating. If he hasn't told you about it then he probably knows that it was the wrong thing to do. Why would a bunch of people who apparently don't want to get physical with each other want to see each other naked? This is just a segue into things that he shouldn't be doing.

He probably lied so you wouldn't get mad. I mean when you were a kid and you lied to your parents when you did something you thought was wrong it was for the same reason right??

The strip poker thing was just a game. Yes he should've told you about it. For some reason though he didn't maybe so you wouldn't get mad this chick was there--maybe for some other reason. The fact is neither of these is cheating. If he had done anything with her, then yes. But if this is your proof then he did nothing wrong. Maybe there's a reason he's not comfortable telling you the complete truth and thought it would be better not to tell you. This is not cheating, it's just lying.

Want him to tell you stuff? then talk to him about it and listen to DJ28's advice.

I agree. I just don't know why he would do something if he knew it was wrong. He obviously didn't want to tell me because of the fact that if he did I would get pissed off. Like what if you found out your girlfriend was playing strip poker with 4 girls and 1 guy? Would you be mad? Specially if they planned on never telling you about it? And they knew it was wrong. And they guy they were playing with she used to have sex with? I know I nedd to just trust him and I do. I just want someoen to talk to about it and know that I'm not an overly jealous b*tch.

I also wanted to know a mans perspective besides jamies and his friends.

I agree. I just dont kno why he would do something if he knew it was wrong. he obviously didnt want to tell me bc of the fact that if he did i would get pissed off. like what if you found out your gf was playing strip poker with 4 girls and 1 guy? would you be mad? specially if they planed on never telling you about it? and they knew it was wrong. and they guy they were playing with she used to have sex with? I kno i nedd to just trust him and I do. i just want someoen to talk to about it and kno that im not an overly jealous b*tch.

Haha no your not over jealous at all, like what Itried said, there are most of the time reasons for playing strip poker. I mean if you are at a strip club you pay the money and can see full nudity, so obviously there is another objective there. Me personally I would end it.

All men are different, so their threshold for guilt will be different as well.

First of all, going to a strip club is definitely not cheating. But the strip poker thing is definitely pushing the limit. If my girlfriend decided she was going to play strip poker with a bunch of guys I would without a doubt wonder what else she is capable of since it would erode my trust in her. In fact, I would more than likely end the relationship with her as I feel that her doing that is a slap in my face and an embarrassment. This is especially true if you live together. If this is what your man has done then you should be at least suspicious and he should be sorry for it. If he isn't then he most likely doesn't love you. A game of strip poker does not just "happen" innocently between adults. There are motives behind the players actions that would most likely lead to cheating. If he hasn't told you about it then he probably knows that it was the wrong thing to do. Why would a bunch of people who apparently don't want to get physical with each other want to see each other naked? This is just a segue into things that he shouldn't be doing.

He also told me that he was playing strip poker because his friend jason wanted a wing man so he can maybe get laid. But its like why the would he need you so he can get laid because if the chick is into you then why would she want to your friend? It makes no sense. So he said he was doing it for the team. And it was stupid and was a mistake. He said that nothing happened beyond the game though.but what I don't understand is how you can go to the strip club then come home and play strip poker with a naked chick and still do nothing?

I really, really believe that talking to someone about trust and honesty in a relationship will get you nowhere. Sure, it will make you feel a bit better about things but you will never know the real truth, will you? If you're having the conversation, something must have happened to shake your trust a little. The only way you can trust someone is by observing their actions. Words are just a smokescreen used to disguise actions. In my opinion, and you may not want to hear this, the strip poker game has given you an insight into this guys motives.

On the other hand, if he brought it up to you after three months, then the guilt has probably been killing him. Maybe he is starting to mentally commit to you now, and needs to get this off his chest going forward? Hope that helps.

Going to a strip club without you and not telling you about it is really nothing to be concerned about. When a guy and his friends head out to the nudie bar it's like a bonding experience so to speak. It's about us guys being with other guys and in that atmosphere. It says nothing about or level of commitment. Maybe he didn't tell you because he knew you wanted to go but wanted to be with his buds and not hurt your feelings.

As far as the strip poker thing is concerned, if he didn't cheat on you then I don't see a problem. In effect it's no different then him going to a strip club which you have stated that you have no problem with.

You have to understand that as men there are times when we need to reconfirm our manhood so to speak and when you are in a relationship were you live with your girl you can sometimes loose site of that.

No I found this out like 3 days after it happened. Its just been driving me nuts for 3 months and I needed some perspective. Even though he has proven himself to me. I know I will never know and there is nothing I can do to change that so I just got to trust him. Now I would love to know what actions should I be looking for when it comes to cheating? And how would I know the next time he is lying what actions can I look for?

Going to a strip club without you and not telling you about it is really nothing to be concerned about. When a guy and his friends head out to the nudie bar it's like a bonding experience so to speak. It's about us guys being with other guys and in that atmosphere. It says nothing about or level of commitment. Maybe he didn't tell you because he knew you wanted to go but wanted to be with his buds and not hurt your feelings.

As far as the strip poker thing is concerned, if he didn't cheat on you then I don't see a problem. In effect it's no different then him going to a strip club which you have stated that you have no problem with.

You have to understand that as men there are times when we need to reconfirm our manhood so to speak and when you are in a relationship were you live with your girl you can sometimes loose site of that.

I agree in a way but then in a way I don't, the reason I don't is that say if your girl played strip poker with a man would you be pissed? I mean I've played strip poker with me ex but it was for a reason, not to see her naked but to get some action.

That's very true. And for some reason though hearing a mans perspective besides jamies has helped me out a lot. I do agree though if your girlfriend did it it would be wrong and she would be considered to be a cheater in your eyes.


Like when I told jamie well I'm just going to go play some strip poker then with my girlfriends and a guy I used to and see how you like it. And he got mad I said that and was like why do you keep bringin it up and blah blah.

Strip poker and strip clubs are very different from flat out cheating.. as mentioned above it depends on the situation.

How can he lie to your face? Doesn't want to hurt you or he is more concerned with himself and not facing what he did perhaps? Either way he deserves a nice big 'ol ball stomp.

BTW, women cheat too..

no i found this out like 3 days after it happend. its just been driving me nuts for 3 months and i needed some perspective. even tho he has proven himself to me. I kno I will never kno and there is nothing I can do to change that so I just got to trust him. now I would love to kno what actions should I be looking for when it comes to cheating? and how would I kno the next time he is lying what actions can i look for?

It doesn't sound like you trust him at the moment, and that is what I think is driving you nuts. You have just got to make a choice: trust him or not. Have his actions during your relationship made him trustworthy in your opinion? If you don't trust him and are always wondering about him and he doesn't cheat that will ruin your relationship somehow. On the other hand, if you do trust him and he does cheat, the relationship will be ruined as well. You just have to make a decision. Trust is the most important thing in a relationship and the hardest thing to mend when broken. You won't be able to approach your relationship in a healthy manner until you resolve this conflict within yourself.
Don't drive yourself even crazier by analyzing everything he does for signs of cheating.

I agree in a way but then in a way i dont, the reason i dont is that say if your girl played strip poker with a man would you be pissed?
Honestly? I wouldn't give one squirt of piss either way. I can say this because I know that if someone is of the mindset to cheat then they are going to do it either way and don't need a game of strip poker to facilitate it. Jimi Hendrix once said, "Without trust there can be no love" .

Well I know women cheat too but my forums was strictly about men.

Like I said you have a right to be pissed off, I sure would. Doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman. I agree with what itried sad where a talk about honesty might not work. Mayeb what you need to tell him is, hey we need to take a break let you think, also let him think. Maybe give him a week to think about what he's done. And if he comes crying back then well maybe he really does want you. I just really think that playing strip poker with someone else is really border line, give him time to think about it.

Ask yourself this, if the situation were reversed and it were you that played Strip Poker with your ex would you think that your boyfriend would have a reason to be upset or suspect you of cheating?

Honestly? I wouldn't give one squirt of piss either way. I can say this because I know that if someone is of the mindset to cheat then they are going to do it either way and don't need a game of strip poker to facilitate it. Jimi Hendrix once said, "Without trust there can be no love" .

Yes I agree with what you say but how do you know if he really cheated or not? He might have not he might have its all about trust really... but really how I look at strip poker is that there is more of a motive behind it, more then just seeing someone naked.. because I mean really he was at a strip club, he could have seen it there.

Thanks a lot men. I really appreciate the advice you don't even know how much it has helped me.

I do trust my man, I really do. But it so hard to actually get the trust back to him that I once had with him before if you know what I mean. And I believe that is what is driving me crazy. How can I just let it go and give back the trust I had before? And stop being so jealous?

He tells me that my jealousy is driving him away because I get jealous all the time and he never did anything wrong.

The only way I can rationalize this is like so: If I wanted to build trust with my woman, would I go about it by telling her that I was going out to play strip poker with my ex?

How can I just let it go and give back the trust I had before? and stop being so jealous?

That is entirely up to you. There is no great secret trick to change your mindset. It's just something you have to work on yourself... and I wish you luck in that regard.

Hell no you wouldn't lol. That's a agrument waiting to happen.

Haha very true I tried.. I would give you rep but I need to give it to oher people, for I have already given you some last.

But it would actually help me out a lot if he would be really open with me about things and actually talk to me about stuff like that so I know I can trust him. But I for sure wouldn't want to hear him say that he was going to go play strip poker with his ex f buddy.

Honestly maybe you should take a break from him with N/C for like a week, a solid week even if he tries calling. And see how he reacts to it. I mean if after a week he goes back to a ex or sleeps around you will really know how he is.

I love this website. Lol but I can't break up with him now its already been 3 months since the incident and I did break up with him that night with no contact and the next night we got back together with him saying how much he loves me and it was a mistake and he didn't cheat on me. And then after that he didn't leave the house for like 3 months. And he pretty much proved himself but I just couldn't get over it .

but it would actually help me out a lot if he would be rly open with me about things and actually talk to me about stuff like that so i kno i can trust him. but i for sure wouldnt want to hear him say that he was going to go play strip poker with his ex f buddy.

The most important thing in any relationship is open communication. And unfortunately, one of the hardest things to get (and give for that matter). 99% trust is not good enough. The loss of even 1 percent is too much room for error. It will eventually drive a wedge between you two. Try to make him understand how important this is to you. If he loves you, he will be willing to comply.

Very very true and I love this idea. We really need communication in our relationship and maybe then that can build our trust even more. I would give u rep but I already did.

Mark, the reason I said this is because me personaly I would leave someone that did that. I've played strip poker with my ex and my objective wasn't to see her naked, it was to mess around in a kinky way, to have sex with her. I mean I've seen her naked so many times. I just look a strip poker as more then seeing someone just naked. Especially if you were just at a strip club.

very very true and I love this idea. we really need communication in our relationship and maybe then that can build our trust even more. I would give u rep but I already did.

I guess the best that we can all hope for from our significant others is that we trust them to tell us whenever they mess up, for better or for worse. This can only come from communication that is open and honest. You could still trust someone 100% after they cheated on you if they told you immediately. Theoretically.

She isn't his ex they just screwed one time a couple years ago. But obviouisly the girl is a skank if she is going to play strip poker with 4 men.

I guess the best that we can all hope for from our significant others is that we trust them to tell us whenever they mess up, for better or for worse. This can only come from communication that is open and honest. You could still trust someone 100% after they cheated on you if they told you immediately. Theoretically.

I never looked at it that way before. Everyone meeses up I guess and makes mistakes. You just have to learn how to forgive them for their mistakes and trust them again.

she isnt his ex they just screwed one time a couple years ago. but obviouisly the girl is a skank if she is going to play strip poker with 4 men.

Honestly.. I'm just telling you how it is, I think most men out there if they want to play strip poker out there, there is a bigger objective just to seee her naked. Maybe not I might be wrong but really you don't just do it to see someone naked. Most men are pretty horny. And if they want to see someone naked they want to them.

honestly.. im just telling you how it is, i think most men out there if they want to play strip poker out there, there is a bigger objective just to seee her naked. maybe not i might be wrong but really u dont just do it to see someone naked. most men are pretty horny. and if they want to see someone naked they want to them.

Well what if he says he only did it because his friend wanted him as a wing man so his friend can get laid. And he only did it for the team so they could play strip poker and have enough players.

See really that's all about the trust thing, I don't know him I dontk now you. Really I would have to know the person to really know if there pulling me leg or being honest. So really its up to your trusting him to know if he's telling you the truth. Me personally I wouldn't get naked around other guys.

i never looked at it that way before. everyone meeses up i guess and makes mistakes. you just have to learn how to forgive them for their mistakes and trust them again.

Even still, no one gets forced to cheat, its all a choice. You just hope that the two of you can be trusted to make the right choice when the situation arises. And these situations always do come up. This doesn't mean that you should learn to forgive them no matter what. We all know what we're doing. And should be accountable for our actions. The best part is choosing to not cheat, not what happens while you're cheating. If you really love someone, it's not worth losing that by going through with it.

I guess really all of my guy friends have balls, if they want to have sex with a woman there going to without the help of any of my other buddies.

well what if he says he only did it bc his freind wanted him as a wing man so his friend can get laid. and he only did it for the team so they could play strip poker and have enough players.

Look, you know him better than us. If you trust him, then believe him. If you don't then you NEED to talk about it. If you don't like him hanging around this skank then tell him it hurts you when he does.

Yes guys are horny by nature. You can love a girl to death but you are still a guy. I'm in love with a girl that doesn't love me. But when she did, I still checked out chicks. It's natural. We watch porn, we maybe flirt a little but it's all harmless if we don't act upon it.

Ok, he had a naked skank you hate in front of him. Did he do anything else except that? If the answer is no, then it's not cheating. He did lie to you, and that's something you guys need to talk about. Just be honest and tell him what hurt you and why.

I agree with that I do trust him. He is a good boyfriend. Today I let him go to his friends and I told him I was going to go to my uncles and he said I can't go to my uncles because of the guys that hang out there like he thinks I will cheat on him or something. He said he don't trust me. And its like are you serious I'm not the one that meesed up and did some stupid stuff. You are and I still trust you. Then I told him that I don't like him going to jasons and if he can't trust me to go to my uncls then I can't trust him to go to jasons, Then I said you know what if you go to jasons I'm breaking up with you. Then he said I guess we are broken up then, and then he said that some guy I used to was going over to my uncles so that's why I can't go. And the only way I can go is is his friend amber goes with me. I'm so pissed like I never cheated or would even think of doing anything to hurt him. And now he is trying to flip the cheating script on me.

This relationship is over. You don't trust him, if you did you wouldn't be bringing up the past. You chose to forgive him, therefore something like this can't be used as a bargaining chip. You both have big insecurities with one another and I'm sensing that there is a big piece to this puzzle that we aren't getting

This relationship is over. You don't trust him, if you did you wouldn't be bringing up the past. You chose to forgive him, therefore something like this can't be used as a bargaining chip. You both have big insecurities with one another and I'm sensing that there is a big piece to this puzzle that we aren't getting

I will go one further... this is an absolute mess. I can't even understand why either of you want to be in a relationship this disfunctional. No trust, no relationship, period. Sounds like a couple of 14 year olds arguing. Bad news all around. I think you deserve to find someone who hasn't hurt you, and clearly things aren't working out the way they should be, at least in a healthy relationship. Sorry to be harsh, but this ain't goin' nowhere! :cool:

Thanks for the advice but I can see where he is coming from. He didn't want me to go to my uncles because there was a guy there that I had sex with before me and him were together. He came back a min ago and told me I can go to my uncles but he just didn't want me to go because that guy was there. Me and my bfs relationship is just fine. We fight sometimes and we may diagree on a lot of things but we still love each other and we always know the best thing to do for each other. I just wanted to come on here and ask this question about the strip poker to see if anyone else would think the same way about it as I do. And I wanted another mans opinion on the subject.

Hi Kitten, 3 months is to long to hold on to something, that means nothing. This really should have died 3 months ago.

I know it should have it was just driving me crazy because we made a promise to each other that we wouldn't do that to each other and we would always be honest, so I just thought that if I got some opinions on here it would help me and it did. It helped me a lot with everyone's advice abd I thank you guys, I am going to just trust my man because he has proved himself and I don't want our relationship to ruin over something that I decided to already forgive him for. Its just not worth it.

First, as has been said, there are differences among all three scenarios. True, not revealing all the truth about what you have done can be perceived as deception... but in no way would I equate going to a strip club to having an affair. You might choose such an action as being against your beliefs and detrimental to your relationship, but they are not the same.

By the way, just to be on the level here, I've never cheated on a lover, but had two big loves cheat on me... and I've always respected my mates opinions about things like strip clubs, porn, etc. I don't think you should go into a relationship thinking you can shackle the other person into being your "perfect" ideal, but you also should enter a relationship knowing there are places where concessions might need to be made... both sides should be able to find middle ground and overlap... or else its just a square peg, round hole situation.

I don't need to know all that happens when my wife travels. She is beautiful, outgoing, a great dancer, a bit of a flirt. She works in a male dominated industry, and on business trips she is often the only woman. There are boys in seattle who have bought her all the champagne she could want and have offered her their room keys. There's a latin man in mexico who is polite, charming, and respectful... but she knows all shed need to do is say the word and he would join her in her room.

So... I know there are things going on but I'm not tied in knots worried about it. I don't need to know all the details. I trust that she is true. Call me a fool, but I'm not going to live any other way. I'm a jealous man with a helluva temper... but when we are out and that young stud is buying her drinks at the pool table and even touching her arm a little more than maybe he should, its OK.

She's the truest woman I've ever known. Why is it a conflict that she also likes attention and she gets it? She didn't become unattractive upon taking vows and she didn't suddenly find all other men repulsive.

So... there's the issue here, in part.

I trust my wife completely.

I believe the vows she took mean something to her. And we have enough overlap and agreement that there isn't lots of conflict about "where have you been and what have you been doing?!"

I'm not going to defend one side or the other. The guys who thinks its fine to be visually stimulated by a person who isn't his mate isn't "wrong" or "right"... he is who he is. The woman who feels threatened when an otherwise attentive man enjoys porn isn't "wrong" or "right"... she feels the way she does.

So its up to you to pick your battles and try to find your own kind of "wierd", as a friend used to put it.

I don't care if my wife is hit on because of trust. I have taken vows and so has she, and I believe she will honor them, even if there are occasional gray areas which might push the envelope a bit.

So... all you can do is try to find your areas of flexibility and your areas of no compromise, and if there isn't enough overlap, it isn't right.

Cheating is not a man phenomenon, but perhaps it becomes more of a man phenomenon when you begin to attach many other levels of attention given to a woman who is not his mate.

What do you think?