:confused: Hi, I need help I'm a rookie classical composer and need a little help writing a ternary piece. I know ternary is suppost to be one of the easier genres but I just can't come up with a thing would be of great help if someone could start me off or give me tips ?

Hi, ryan_milligan!

I can help you! I've been teaching music now for a very long time. Also, I compose and arrange music.

It's nice to have someone come along who asks this type of question! It's rare to have these kind of music questions here.

What were the specific instructions that you were given, please?

Thanks!

Well no boundries really just has to be classical preferably with violin, viola and double bass. Has to be individual and sound good apart from that the sheet is open. That's the thing I have a problem with is how open it is

I'm not sure what you mean by "open".

Are you also confined to those instruments? Could if first be written on a piano score and then transposed to an open score?

If we put something on a piano score here, it would be much easier to evolve it.

Thanks!

Didn't mean anything really by the "open" thing just that I don't no where to start and the choices are "open" and yes it can be on piano after all I'm the one needing help if you think that would help then yes be all means

Do you play some piano?

Well yes but I have to say its not a forte of mine

Small sample is coming... Please let me know if you could play it. Please give me a moment...

Now, you know that our goal here is for you to learn how to write something in ternary form and not for me to do it for you, correct? :)

Although, I can help you a lot with forming your own composition...

Small sample. Please let me know if you can play it and what you think.

Thanks!

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Yeah that's the goal but the more help the better I really need some structure here I'm really stuck :confused:

Sample is there. Wondering what you think of it and if it's something that you could play on the piano or another instrument.

Thanks!

Ye I can play that I'm not terrable at the piano man give me some credit thanks

I had no idea what level you are at concerning playing the piano. What level are you at in school and what time zone is it where you're at, please?

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Well its 5:17am very early in the morning still doing work and as of grades my music GCSE (as they call them over here don't no what they call them in America) is an A so far

I see, it's very early in the morning for you.

Have you been to bed yet? It's about 11:26 P.M where I'm located. Concerning your level in school, I was trying to find out if you're at the college level or not.

When is this assignment due, please?

Thanks!

No I haven't been to bed at all and as far as college level I have chosen music as a option for A level

And its due in ages ago but does "have" to be in till February

I'm sorry, but I don't understand all of this "level" stuff, but are you out of what might be considered here to be the high school level and gone on to schooling that would be considered to be optional?

If it doesn't have to be in until February, then we have lots of time to develop things and for you to learn how to do this.

It will take some time and I do have a plan.

I'm going to need to leave here for about a half hour. Will then return. I know that we're on really different time schedules. I usually start getting on here a few hours before right now.

What I'm suggesting, is that even if we're not on at the same time, that I could give you some exercises to help you to learn how to do this. I also did find a scoring sheet in my computer for a trio to be developed for violin, viola and bass.

Do you have any music writing software in your computer, and if so, what is it, please?

Thanks!

Well A level is an higher optional course at a college and I do have a few pieces of software one being guitar pro (for the realistic sound engine) and the other Sibelius 4

Hey I got to go catch some zzzz's. Post any messages or exercise and I will check them asap should only be a couple of hours

I've got Finale Notepad in this computer. It used to be free, but costs something now.
I also have the full Finale Software, but not loaded onto this computer.

I have the free pizzicato30 loaded onto this computer. Haven't figured out everything about it though.

I'm trying to find some commonality where you might be able to hear what is written, but since you play, that shouldn't be a problem.

What is your primary instrument or instruments, please?

Thanks!

They are guitar and piano

Thanks!

I'm going to go for now. When I return after a short while, I'm going to post a sample composition in ternary form for violin, viola and bass. It's already in my head, just need to write it down. It will be in Finale Notepad.

We'll keep things simple. It will be in the key of "C" and in 3/4 time. 3/4 time would probably be the easiest time to develop something in ternary form for right now.

Do you have a scanner and also a printer? If I give you an assignment, they'll need to be used.

Hi, Ryan!

As promised, I'm giving you a sample composition that's in the ternary form for the three instruments that you mentioned.

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The violin simply plays the melody. The viola supports the violin with some harmony and the bass just plays the root notes of the chords.

I wrote the "B" section in the relative minor to give some good variety.

You are a god send thank you for your help do far

You seem to have cut a bit off the top of the middle picture the violin is missing plus how much do you think I must add to this to make it a full composition

Thanks!

I'm going to go for now. When I return after a short while, I'm going to post a sample composition in ternary form for violin, viola and bass. It's already in my head, just need to write it down. It will be in Finale Notepad.

We'll keep things simple. It will be in the key of "C" and in 3/4 time. 3/4 time would probably be the easiest time to develop something in ternary form for right now.

Do you have a scanner and also a printer? If I give you an assignment, they'll need to be used.


Why do I need a scanner and printer??

Hi, Ryan!

It is a full, ternary composition. I just didn't know how to add a double bar line at the end.

There are a total of four systems in it plus one measure. The use of the term system might possibly be unfamiliar to you. If it is, then it's a grouping of staves that are held together by a bracket.

Thanks for the compliment! Now, the trick is to teach you how to compose something like that!

O OK now where on the same page and I know what systems are and you didn't answer the bit about you missing the violin and viola part off the top of the second picture. So where do we start with making mine??

why do i need a scanner and printer ???

That would be so that you could practice composing by printing off what I might compose so that you could then scan what you compose according to how I teach you and post what you've written on the thread.

To be playing what I have wrote I will be using a keyboard that runs through my PC. And what I compose I could simply screen shot or I could download the free writer that you have so I could send you it as a full file??

Would you please post a sample screen shot of what you might compose, please? Doesn't have to even be anything that really makes sense. Just want to make sure that we're able to communicate musically here.

The Finale Notepad used to be free, it's not anymore. Although, I don't think that it costs very much.

Thanks!

I'm sorry, but my connection is very slow right now. Wanted to make sure that I gave you a quick answer.

More is coming...

There is a demo version of Finale Notepad that can be found via clicking on the following link.

Try Finale NotePad (http://www.finalemusic.com/notepad/demo.aspx)

If we are both using the same program, I know that we would be able to attach the files to the posts as zip files. I've already done it on this site. I was able to open the file just fine.

But, before you might try something like that, I would still apprciate seeing a screenshot from you.

Thanks!

OK screen shot on its way although its nothing to do with what where doing its just a song I made up for another music assignment its just to show what the screen shots would look like

Thanks! That'll be great!

I did just find a site claiming to have Finale Notepad as freeware. You might want to check it out.

Download Finale Notepad by Make Music (http://www.dontcrack.com/freeware/downloads.php/id/2216/software/Finale-Notepad/)

Also, what operating system are you using? That might make a difference as far as the files that we can share.

C:\Users\ryan\Pictures\Untitled.jpg

My operating system is windows vista and sorry about the delay had trouble doing the screenshot thing

Did that work ?

You have to create an account for that freeware version and I don't entirely trust it have you used the site before ?

C:\Users\ryan\Pictures\Untitled.jpg

my operating system is windows vista and sorry about the delay had trouble doing the screenshot thing

did that work?

Unfortunately, it didn't work. I would suggest going to the section of the site where you can try out how features work. You can find it by clicking HERE. (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/forum-testing/)

At least we're both in Windows operating systems. So, that's a good start!

If you press the orange "Answer this Question" that's to the left, it will give you more options to use in a post. Then you click on the little paper clip thing to upload images.

you have to create an account for that freeware version and i dont entirely trust it have you used the site before ?

No, I've not used that site previously, so I would be leery of using it, just like you are.

I attached a picture to this message to see if it works

Hey dude I got to hit the hay now post any more messages and I will get back to you asap

hey dude i gotta hit the hay now post any more messages and i will get back to you asap

Hey, your image came through loud and clear! Great Job! :)

I do need to know more about what you know. At some point, would you please tell me the names of all of the chords that I used in each measure of the completed sample and in the same order of the measures? You don't have to do it right now, just at some point in the near future. We do need to know that we're both "on the same page" concerning knowledge about at least basic chords. Knowing chords is essential to composition.

I'll be back after awhile. I know that it's late for you. I'm on a phone line and always have great difficulty at this time of day navigating on the Internet. I have been disconnected from the Internet many times since beginning with you, what? Maybe an hour ago. I can navigate much easier at a later time...

I'm going to download some of the demo stuff from Sibelius too. That should hopefully, be a help here.

Thanks!

Just so you know Ryan, I'm going to return to this thread in about 2&1/2 hours.

Thanks!

Hey I'm back now

Hi, Ryan!

We're missing each other here! I asked you a question about chords in Post #46 above.

Thanks!

Ooo OK I see it now I'm looking now

You've used no chords

youve used no chords

Each measure has been constructed based upon one chord. Hint: Look at the bass note in each measure.

Thanks!

Hey not been talking much keep missing each other I will be on more over the weekend and Friday.

hey not been talking much keep missing each other i will be on more over the weekend and friday.

Okay. I'll look forward to that! :) Please do try to answer the question that I asked. It's not hard to figure out the chords. I made them easy on purpose. There are both Major and minor ones. All are in the root position.

If you do need help with learning about chords, then I can also help you with that.

Thanks!

Just so that you can have an idea as to how chords work with composing, I've put some block chords with the small fragment of your composition that you included earlier in this thread. I also cadenced the fragment so that it has an ending.

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The chords to the above are: F, C, C, C, dm, gm, C and F.

Thanks!

Here's the same fragment with the same chords, with just a little more complicated accompaniment.

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If there's something that you don't understand about what I've posted, it would be helpful if you would let me know so that I can help you the best. I can't read your mind.

Since you said that you play the piano and the guitar, I was assuming that you did know something about chords.

Thanks!

So, are we done here, Ryan? I was really looking forward to working with you more! Are you okay!

Thanks!

Sorry I haven't been on in a while just been having a bit of trouble where were we. So chords are obviously not my strong point

So, how about you put together a melody using what I had posted earlier as an example? Same key, time signature and same number of measures, and then post an image of it here.

I can show you how you can make improvements to it as well as add the other instrumental parts.

Thanks!

Did you finish your assignment, ryan_milligan?

Thanks!