I met this friend about a year ago from another friend whom I don't talk to anymore. Anyway, I never talked to the girl cause she's underaged (she is 14 but told me she is 15, I am 20). We were not close at all and I don't remember her at all. I called her up and we talked a bit; she sent a friend request and I accepted it. Since then, we commented each other on myspace. Out of the blue one day, we talked a bit and all of a sudden, we're talking for a long time. Moving into a few months by, she began to talk about sexual stuff and her fantasy; she said she wanted to do it with me and I told her off. Consistently, she bombarded me with sex so I finally agreed (but I told her it's not happening in real life.)

Few more months pass by, we were our normal selves. Winter comes by and she says she wants to come to my state (Cali) and she is in Oregon. Being stupidly and way too trusted to the "friend," I got her round trip tickets from the Dec. 30th till Jan 2nd. Few days before, I received a few text messages about she doesn't want to go back home; she wanted to fly down and never return home. I calmly talked to her about how problems are usually temporary and just let it off during her stay.

I told my friend a month before about the plan and we agreed that no sex was occuring; if any sex occurs, it'll be at a hotel/motel.

Skipping down to the situation..

I went to the airport to go pick up 'the friend.' Well, I was greeted by a bunch of undercover cops and arrested. I didn't resist and an special investigation unit officer interviewed me. I told them what I know...

When I was questioned about sex, I told them I had condoms in my bag. They asked why I had condoms in the bag and I told them it was going to be New Years... parties are everywhere and so are girls~ Then I was asked if I would have sex with my "friend' and I told him I'm not stupid to fall for an underage female; the ticket was a gift.. nothing else~ condoms were for parties in case I meet some girls and beer for my birthday.
AND I AM CHARGED PENAL CODE 288.3 for "communicating with a minor" as well as a felony.

I spent 3 days behind bars.... on New Years and my birthday~

I was bailed out on the 1st and I talked to my sister. Turns out the special investigator confiscated my phones, laptop, and an old camera. She told me that the investigator had told her my friends' mom found out she was running away the day before actual event.

so AMHD law professionals.....

I have a few Q's regarding this incident..

1. Am I able to argue/defend my side of view?
2. What can I do to prove that there was no intention of sexual activity with my "friend"
3. The investigator told my sister that I may be going to federal court. Is this possible?

please help~
Thank you!

Of course, I did not contact the "friend" after the situation.

I recently encountered some troubles in the US. Currently, I am a permanent resident/Green Card holder but I was told that I may face deportation. What may I do so I would not be deported?

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Even though you had no intention of having sex with her you are 20 she is 15. That at the very least is intent to aide and harbor a minor and 'transporting' her across state lines.
Hopefully they will see through messages that you were not trying to do anything criminal except where you said that if anything happens it will be at a hotel/motel. The messages they get from your laptop may be your only defense. Anything you say now will only sound like you are trying to save your butt. Also the fact that you got a round trip ticket and stressed that she had to return home may be in your favor too--somewhat.

I think it is possible and most probable you will go to federal court because you were in effect transporting a minor across state lines. One thing you can be thankful for is Oregon to Cali is only one state line. If it had been say Washington I believe they would consider that two counts being it is two states away. But in your case one state line is one too many anyway.

As much as you have warned others here about jail bait I am surprised you fell for this.

Even though you had no intention of having sex with her you are 20 she is 15. That at the very least is intent to aide and harbor a minor and 'transporting' her across state lines.
Hopefully they will see through messages that you were not trying to do anything criminal except where you said that if anything happens it will be at a hotel/motel. The messages they get from your laptop may be your only defense. Anything you say now will only sound like you are trying to save your butt. Also the fact that you got a round trip ticket and stressed that she had to return home may be in your favor too--somewhat.

I think it is possible and most probable you will go to federal court because you were in effect transporting a minor across state lines.


Well, I did not book a motel/hotel room cause my friend changed his mind and decided to let us stay at his place for the night (never happened). Secondly, I do not know what she was doing... I have no idea she was running off =/. On my laptop, there are few porn sites, a lot of music files, 2 nude pics of a 21 year old chick, games...

I have never had any sexual activities with the "friend"... only gave advise which is not illegal since it has no ties of committing sexual activities. I spoke to a lawyer who says my case may be simple but the puzzles are mixed up since I do not know the intentions of the 'friends' motive and my motive was not sex with the 'friend' but possible sex with an 18+ year old girl from a party.

The investigator is trying to charge me because I have a big handful of condoms in a brown lunch bag which I have explained that there is no intention of sex with the 'friend.'

Yeah as far as sex I don't think they can do too much with the intent angle. Especially when most of what you said was that you weren't planning on it with her. So they would have to prove you were specifically targeting her for the condom I would think. That you didn't book a room most likely won't help or hurt your case because a room doesn't have to be booked to be gotten. You can just walk into a hotel/motel and get one on the spot. But again they would have to prove intent.

I recently encountered some troubles in the US. Currently, I am a permanent resident/Green Card holder but I was told that I may face deportation. What may I do so i would not be deported?

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If you are found guilty of the charge of having sex with a minor you will serve time in jail and then you will be deported.

There is no way around it.

Get a good Attorney.

The very least I see you getting is
Intent to aide and harbor a minor
One count of transporting a minor across state lines

Usually they will charge you with everything they can think of and then they hope that at least one or two of the charges will stick. It is hard to get charges of intent to stick but often they do manage to do that.

The very least I see you getting is
intent to aide and harbor a minor
One count of transporting a minor across state lines

Usually they will charge you with everything they can think of and then they hope that at least one or two of the charges will stick. It is hard to get charges of intent to stick but often they do manage to do that.

Thank you~

But there are no charges of harboring...

Thank you~
I am consulting with a good lawyer

I'm very sorry, I hope you the best.

This is a very serious issue.. the most important key is don't plead guilty ever! It will be used against you in deportation process. You need to consult both criminal attorney and immigration attorney.

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"I told my friend a month before about the plan and we agreed that no sex was occuring; if any sex occurs, it'll be at a hotel/motel."

Unless I am misreading this, it sounds to me that you said "We wont have sex... but if we do it will be at a hotel" to a minor.

Ignore this post if I misinterpreted that line. Otherwise in my opinion you left the door open to the possibility and that can be construed as intent. You don't have to actually commit a crime to be guilty if you have intent to commit. You might get lesser charges, but enough guilt is there to prosecute. Just ask anyone that has been caught trying to hire a hooker.

Thank you~

But there are no charges of harboring...

She was GOING to you so it would be intent
But they can get you for aiding her to cross state lines and running away.

Most of what they have is intent. You have to prove much of it was not your intentions.
Party, yeah you can claim a lot of girls at the party and you were leaving her to her own at the party as opposed to her being your date or whatever.

As lawanwadee said do not take a plea bargain or guilty cause it works against you in the end.

Judy said "I had EXACTLY the same thought - wasn't going to have sex with her but if he did ... ? I see discrepancies all over the place here, particularly if this thread is read with other threads."

Doubly incriminating is the fact that he mentioned that if it happened it would be at a hotel, implying, at least to most, that since he knew what he was doing was wrong, he was intent on hiding it.

Bonus that just discussing sex with a minor is a crime...

I don't see a happy ending (lots of pun intended) for the OP.

Yep hopefully he will get it reduced to a minimum.
Even if he can prove it was mostly her leading him on she is still a minor.

Judy said "I had EXACTLY the same thought - wasn't going to have sex with her but if he did ... ? I see discrepancies all over the place here, particularly if this thread is read with other threads."

Doubly incriminating is the fact that he mentioned that if it happened it would be at a hotel, implying, at least to most, that since he knew what he was doing was wrong, he was intent on hiding it.

Bonus that just discussing sex with a minor is a crime...

I don't see a happy ending (lots of pun intended) for the OP.



And in view of previous "under age" (as well as other relationship/dating) questions and answers the seizure of the computer should be fascinating reading.

I am prepared to be subpoeaned as part of the AMHD family. What's the weather like in California this time of year?

I agree - I see a lot of problems here. Best idea - good Attorney, don't talk to Police. I would guess that anyone else who has/had any knowledge of this entire "relationship" is heading for the hills.

(A BAG full of condoms? Big weekend planned?)

yep hopefully he will get it reduced to a minimum.
Even if he can prove it was mostly her leading him on she is still a minor.



Exactly. If there were no minor, if it was all a frame involving Police personnel - the leading on part doesn't matter.

Adults are supposed to have better sense than minors.

Exactly. If there were no minor, if it was all a frame involving Police personnel - the leading on part doesn't matter.

Adults are supposed to have better sense than minors.

And as Judy said just what he has said here indicating he understands jail bait... Judy stop by 'n grab me on the way to Cali!!

and as Judy said just what he has said here indicating he understands jail bait......Judy stop by 'n grab me on the way to Cali!!!!!



Start packin' -

Gee and you, HJPAN, must have missed ALL the swell episodes on To Catch a Predator on MSNBC. And if you did, I am sure they have reruns you can watch while you are in jail. Animals like you who prey on underaged girls/boys need to watch some TV once in awhile to see what you are doing is WRONG and you WILL be punished. MSNBC with Chris Hanson ran these episodes for months and months showing how men of ALL ages prey on young underaged girls/boys in hopes of having sex with them all to be set up by a police sting. All of the perps were arrested and some ended up doing time of several years. The fact you paid for a plane ticket, had alcohol and condoms defintely sealed your fate. And after you do your time, expect to be deported from this country and branded a sexual predator.

What gets me is look through his replies here. He KNOWS you can't mess with minors in that way and not expect trouble.

NoHelp - YES he even said on August 5th that Why would a 23 year old have a relationship with a 17 year old? Does not sound right. And that he KNEW the age of consent in California is 18. If the police stumble onto AMHD he's basically fried dog meat.

Not a great idea writing your story here, don't you realize, they confiscated your computer, all they have to do is look through your history, find AMHD, decode your password and read what you've written. This could all be used as evidence against you.

She's 15, you're 20, you are an adult, she is a child, yet you paid for her plane ticket, went to pick her up with alcohol and condoms in your pocket, admitted here that sex wasn't out of the question and expect us to help you beat the charges?

You got caught, thankfully, before you damaged this girl for life. It's a bit late to think of the consequences now.

Re-read what you wrote, the most disturbing part is this;


told my friend a month before about the plan and we agreed that no sex was occuring; if any sex occurs, it'll be at a hotel/motel.

Having sex in a hotel/motel makes it okay? She's a child, you aren't!

It's people like you that make me want to take my daughter to a far away cabin in the woods, away from predators like you.

Altenweg - what is most disturbing about this person is the fact that in his older posts he admits to having girlfriends in the 13, 14 and 15 year old category so I'm NOT buying is "innocent act" one iota. He knew perfectly well what he was doing and had this planned for a long time. I, too, am glad he's been caught. Getting convicted is another story, but from what he's told us, who knows what for fairy tales he told the police. If the arresting cops are anything like what was revealed on MSNBC, they had transcripts of any online chatroom talks he had with the "underage" person and those combined with the ticket, alcohol, and condoms will make for an airtight case against him. He can't just say he didn't know how old the girl was, etc. or no sex would occur. He is defintely a predator - even at age 20.

It's a scary thing Twink, and he's been here for a very long time.

He's said way too much here, and I'm sure that the police will find AMHD and everything he's written.

I can only imagine what he said to the girl via emails and myspace, I'm sure it's not as innocent as he makes it out to be.

He knew from minute one that she was underage, so, now he gets to pay the price.

Personally, I think some jail time is called for, and I won't cry when they deport him.

This girl needed guidance, not a predator. At 20, you would think you'd know right from wrong and not just do what feels good.

I got to say, hjpan, this is new for you.

Even if your intentions were clear, buying a plane ticket for a minor... to visit you... looks bad. Even worse, condoms.

I got to ask, before everyone jumps down your throat, what DID you mean by the "if any sex were going to happen, it'd be in a motel..."

Granted, I have a few 14 - 15 year olds that I talk to every now and then, mostly my brother's friends, but it's small stuff such as advice, etc. Never anything like "I will buy you a plane ticket."

As far as your deportation issue, I suggest you consult with an immigration lawyer. Your case could go either way depending on how your initial charges go.

This girl needed guidance, not a predator. At 20, you would think you'd know right from wrong and not just do what feels good.

I don't believe for a second that there is actually a 15 year old out there that he was talking to. Chances are it was an FBI agent all along.

Quoting Hjpan:: Consistently, she bombarded me with sex so I finally agreed (but I told her it's not happening in real life.)


I think everyone missed this part of it! Correct me if I'm wrong, but to me this sounds like they were probably using a web cam, and having sexually explicit contact! Hjpan, you said you "finally agreed." That was one of the first things that jumped out at me! That's a pretty damning piece of evidence right there! You were contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Just because you didn't have actual physical contant, you agreed to have sexually exploit her!

I certainly hope the prosector does their job, and the judge throws the book at you. You need to be kept off our streets, and away from our children! You are a SEXUAL PREDATOR, and you deserve everything you get! Just from what I read, if I was on that jury I wouldn't buy your story for a second. I certainly hope they deport you, and you meet up with Bubba in prison! You made your proverbial bed, now lay in it!

It's a scary thing Twink, and he's been here for a very long time.

He's said way to much here, and I'm sure that the police will find AMHD and everything he's written.

I can only imagine what he said to the girl via emails and myspace, I'm sure it's not as innocent as he makes it out to be.

He knew from minute one that she was underage, so, now he gets to pay the price.

Personally, I think some jail time is called for, and I won't cry when they deport him.

This girl needed guidance, not a predator. At 20, you would think you'd know right from wrong and not just do what feels good.

Yes and he was on the troll alert more often than not from all the replies he gave here.
For his sake I hope they go easy on him and only get him on a couple things.
I am sure they have a long list of charges they can get him for.
I only mentioned a few when I started replying to him on this.

Yes and he was on the troll alert more often than not from all the replies he gave here.
For his sake I hope they go easy on him and only get him on a couple things.
I am sure they have a long list of charges they can get him for.
I only mentioned a few when I started replying to him on this.

Yeah, I've seen a ton of his replies and off color remarks. I bet just the things that were written here will not even compare to the rest of the things that they will find on his computer. I have no sympathy or compassion for someone who preys on children.

Yeah, I've seen a ton of his replies and off color remarks. I bet just the things that were written here will not even compare to the rest of the things that they will find on his computer. I have no sympathy or compassion for someone who preys on children.



And "we" all remember that he was totally banned for life from the site where he posted before he "joined" AMHD due to his on line behavior - right?

My favorite part is where he didn't contact the "friend" after his arrest - probably at the personal request of the Police, DA, FBI - and the "friend's" mother.

Wait until the FBI reads this little gem: "That is true. But I still prefer virgin girls.... "
Packing for California! Anyone want me to pick him/her up on the way (other than nohelp who has already signed up for the bus)?

The truly sad part of this - if there is a sad part for anyone but the girl - is that the OP has been posting conflicting stories for almost a year and has "enlisted in the Military" more times than I can count - and yet he's still here. There appear to be problems and maybe somebody, someplace, should have seen them.

What really burns me up about this guy is the fact he came to this country and could not behave like a decent individual. He should have been happy to be here, but no, what does he do, he feels free to act out his perverted sexual fantasies on our children. Maybe over in his Asian country the age of consent is much lower and he thought, oh gee, why not here as well!

I would not go easy on his jail time as this is very serious stuff. There has been studies done (and I've read books on this as well) that once these perverted individuals keep doing their "thing", the thrill wears off and they have to keep kicking it up a notch. This is where the really sickos come in. They are the ones who started just like HJPAN and kept escalating until they got in the kidnap and then kidnap and murder scenerio. Yes, it CAN and DOES happen to these people very easily. The fact he's already started drinking will definitely lead to drug use to heighten his "thing that he does" and lead him to rape, murder innocent children. It does not happen overnight but it DOES start at around the age this guy is now and continues for a lifetime or until they get caught and put away. The many books I have read on this type of behavior written by FBI Profiler Agents testifies to the fact. This particular subject is now being studied much more closely now than ever.

The title of this thread gets me too! If there was nothing illegal and perverse going on, then why would it enter his mind that there would be a decoy? Why is he thinking he got "effed over" if there was nothing going on?

The Feds just don't show up for nothing! I'm sure there will be plenty of evidence on the computer, phone records, etc. but I think the authorities should be notified of his post here after the fact, also! He's obviously on another computer!

His title spoke volumes. He seems to feel that HE'S the victim. These perps always want to twist things around so THEY are the party who was wronged and THEY are innocent. I guess he'll never really see the real world the way a normal person sees the real world.

The title of this thread gets me too! If there was nothing illegal and preverse going on, then why would it enter his mind that there would be a decoy? Why is he thinking he got "effed over" if there was nothing going on?

The Feds just don't show up for nothing! I'm sure there will be plenty of evidence on the computer, phone records, etc., but I think the authorities should be notified of his post here after the fact, also! He's obviously on another computer!



I found the heading to be unusual - he got "effed" over. Not arrested, not framed, "effed" over. I suspect he's about to get "effed" over in jail by a big, sweaty guy name Buster (with apologies to all people named Buster).

My feeling is they'll run his various screen names, not just read what's on his computer. And then they'll come and arrest his sister - or the owner of the computer he's currently using. :)

So - you getting on the bus with us or not?

Whole different subject - I continue to be uncomfortable with adults hanging out on the teen boards (other than the people who have children, have the education to know the correct answers, know what they're talking about, can actually write in full sentences) and teens hanging out on adult boards. There is a post within the past few days by a teen girl, I believe 14, who thinks she's pregnant for the second time in three months and she got herself pretty much high fived by an adult and counselled about abortion instead of being cautioned about birth control and/or abstinence.

I would not want my daughter posting and being "advised" by someone with a couple of out of wedlock children by different fathers who thinks life is great and fathers aren't necessary.

I don't know that there's a way to stop it and I don't go "there" unless there is nothing else going on but maybe that's a clue - "adults" who are not comfortable with their peers.

<clunk! Off my soapbox!>

I hope you didn't hit you head when you fell Judy! ;) I know, that bothers me too with some of the bad advice given.

I am kind of pale Judy, I sure could use a nice Cali Tan! ;)

I don't care how much you try to make it seem like you're the good guy.. you obvioulsy got her the plane ticket so you could be sexual with her.. come on your 20 and your going for 15 year olds high school chicks.. ur a joke.. get some girls your own age

i dont care how much you try to make it seem like your the good guy..you obvioulsy got her the plane ticket so you could be sexual with her..come on your 20 and ur going for 15 year olds high school chicks ..ur a joke..get some girls your own age



While I'm on a roll "text speak" is discouraged on the legal boards - :)

While I'm on a roll "text speak" is discouraged on the legal boards - :)
Sorry.. I just don't like seeing people giving sympthy to these kind of people.. just imagine if it was your daughter that's all I'm saying.. my best friends sister was kidnapped a while back and it was the same situation.. ill leave it be from there

I think we all agree that Hjpans behaviour is appalling! I'm sorry about your friends sister. That's horrible! I hope she made it out safe? I hate hearing about things like that!

Yea thankfully we got her back in one piece.. and that guy is in a prison cell now so all things worked out how they should have

I'm happy at least one case had a happy ending, although I'm sure your friends sister was scared to death. To many people don't get the luxury of being able to come home. :( I'm glad the kidnapper is locked away, so he can't hurt anyone else.

U hear about it on TV and it makes you sick to your stomach but you don't know how much sicker that feeling can get when its someone you truly care about.. and even how much worse it is when you see the guy who does this face to face.. the feeling is undescribeable.. thats why I have to remorse for this man.. im sorry if that offends anyone

sorry..i just dont like seeing people giving sympthy to these kind of people..just imagine if it was your daughter thats all im saying.. my best friends sister was kidnapped a while back and it was the same situation..ill leave it be from there



Where are you reading that I have the least bit of sympathy for Hjpan? As I said, I have no sympathy for him whether it's my daughter or not, whether it's a friend or not.

You have totally misunderstood me.

I have asked you not to use text speak on the legal boards - yet you persist. That has nothing to do with the legal issue here. I notice you don't use text speak on the other boards so you are capable of writing in English.

I really am not giving sympathy either. I am sure he will get sufficient punishment since it looks to me like they can literally throw the book at him. Two charges alone should give him years.

We warned him plenty of times how his attitude was not very good. Check all the reddies!

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/hjpan.html

Where are you reading that I have the least bit of sympathy for Hjpan? As I said, I have no sympathy for him whether it's my daughter or not, whether it's a friend or not.

You have totally misunderstood me.

I have asked you not to use text speak on the legal boards - yet you persist. That has nothing to do with the legal issue here. I notice you don't use text speak on the other boards so you are capable of writing in English.

I wasn't saying that you are the one with sympathy, no worries. And sorry about text speak, it can be a habit sometimes. And you are correct I'm not talking about the legal issuse so ill stop : )

It's a scary world, and a bit of it has just come here to haunt us.

I've always found Hjpan's posts unsavory, but even I didn't think he was capable of something like this.

If the legal system works as it should, he'll be behind bars for a while. There's definitely enough evidence against him just with the plane ticket and communications between him the girl. Once the feds pick apart his computer, find AMHD and myspace and all the other sites he's visited (I'm sure we're not the only one) then his fate will be sealed.

I hope that he gets the help he needs while he's in jail.

Right now I'm more concerned about the 14 year old girl, she's the one who will need help getting through this. Obviously she's troubled, but, I hope she realizes, one day, how lucky she was that her parents stepped in and notified the feds.

Thank you~
I am consulting with a good lawyer




Well, you apparently don't have enough sense to stay off this site so I would suggest you print out what you've posted here, both now and in the past, so your "good Attorney" and the FBI and the DA have the same info.

I'm sure you're aware that your arrest - complete with your full name - is posted on the Internet. Details are not exactly what you're said here...

From what I can tell the charge is under the FBI’s Innocent Images National Initiative, specifically an individual who travels OR induces a minor to travel for the purpose of engaging in sexual activity.

The FBI only prosecutes the "most egregious subjects" AND has established "a law enforcement presence ON THE INTERNET that acts as a deterrent to those who seek to sexually exploit children."

Then there's the whole subject of on line sex - which apparently the minor "talked" him into.

And the OP doesn't even seem to realize that his conduct has sickened a lot of board members and just keeps (merrily) posting away!


u hear about it on tv and it makes you sick to your stomach but you dont know how much sicker that feeling can get when its someone you truly care about..and even how much worse it is when you see the guy who does this face to face..the feeling is undescribeable..thats y i have to remorse for this man..im sorry if that offends anyone


You have remorse for Hjpan? Remorse: Remorse is an emotional expression of personal regret felt by a person after he or she has committed an act which they deem to be shameful,.

Now I'm even more confused about your "take" on this situation.


I really am not giving sympathy either. I am sure he will get sufficient punishment since it looks to me like they can literally throw the book at him. Two charges alone should give him years.

We warned him plenty of times how his attitude was not very good. Check all the reddies!

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/members/hjpan.html



This also does not reflect the number of times he's been suspended - including once for a month when I very well know what was said because it was said to my niece.

Got a link, Ms Judy?

Yes Jude! A link please? I'm confused. I know I gave you a greenie for your above post too, but it is gone! Did you edit and it disappeared? Oh it's been a long day I guess! ;)

EDIT: I figured it out. Disregard the matter of the "greenie."

Quoting Hjpan::
I'm making progress... but it's awkward/embarrassing...

3-5 girls, ages from 13 to 15, like me... I know for sure the 15 year old really likes me... particularly cause I'm Asian, tall, and older xD

Anyway... the bad part is whenever I see a girl, it'll remind of my ex D=

IT FREAKING SUCKS

Here's one link.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-member-discussions/nc-calendar-iii-255006.html

Here's one of my favs;


I'm going to be home alone for a weekend... 100% sure I'm not geetting laid =/

I'll probably order some shrooms and chew on that.. *sigh*

Relationships make me sick now D:

Not good at all. This young man is going down.

Got a link, Ms Judy?


I'm a little uncomfortable posting his given name - let me see what I can and cannot post. I was able to get the info and search for his given name. I don't want post anything I could not access otherwise (without a contact in California).

Another good one!

I'm one of those guys who prefer virgins xD

Yikes, this guy is in big trouble. The Feds are probably reading all his posts as we speak. I guess he thought he could say what he wants and get away with it. But admitting that he prefers virgins and has no problem dating young teen girls, oh boy! I wish his lawyer luck, he'll need it!

I'm a little uncomfortable posting his given name - let me see what I can and cannot post. I was able to get the info and search for his given name. I don't want post anything I could not access otherwise (without a contact in California).

Fair enough. I wasn't able to find anything definitive with Google. If you can, awesome, but don't go too far out of your way just to appease me. :D

I found many! I just picked out a few!

We could write a book using Hjpans posts. The title "I can't believe I said that!"


Let her take more beatings in the face, kicks to the stomach, forced sexual acts from the ex. She knows what's wrong with her and him... yet she refuses to comply with the real world.

Better off with someone else.

As for the rent, have the last pay from them and cut all ties.
Sounds like another "young adult" who doesn't use their brain wisely.

My fav part is
Sounds like another "young adult" who doesn't use their brain wisely isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

Yeah he called a lot of kettles black saying ---he only wanted f*ed and don't trust the jerk.
I suppose he was talking from very personal first hand knowledge---HIS OWN.

Edit: suppose/obviously


Quite obviously his own. It's disturbing to say the least!

:D

yeah he called a lot of kettles black saying ---he only wanted f*ed and don't trust the jerk.
I suppose he was talking from very personal first hand knowledge---HIS OWN.

Quite obviously his own. It's disturbing to say the least!

Quite obviously his own. It's disturbing to say the least!


Is anybody else amazed that he keeps coming back to let "us" know how he's doing.

Maybe I'm misreading all the posts on this thead. For whatever reason I didn't see any support for him here - that I can recall.

Unless he's going for an insanity defense. Or diminished capacity.