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AManWithNoName
Dec 13, 2008, 04:05 PM
All my life, I've questioned things, never thought id question god though, I just don't believe, I kind of don't want to believe, but its depressing, hearing about hell, because I know I'm going to die young, what can I do, to get back mt faith

jjwoodhull
Dec 13, 2008, 04:18 PM
It's normal and natural to question your faith. Do you have any friends that go to your church? Try talking to them. Or contact your church's youth minister.

Are you depressed in general? Why do you say you think you will die young?

KBC
Dec 13, 2008, 04:43 PM
How much activity outside the house(and computer) do you do?

The more one does outside the more life has its little surprises and it becomes interesting.

I want to add a post for you to look at,it's about the children who grew up before the '80's

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/other-member-discussions/those-born-before-80s-230592.html

Thought provoking isn't it?

TexasParent
Dec 13, 2008, 05:03 PM
Well if you looked around you and counted your blessings I think your faith would be restored, but it takes work.

Just like the negative thoughts that have creeped into your life and have started to snowball, the same can be true of positive thoughts; but it's a choice.

Your negative thoughts are lies. You could as easily turn any one of them into a positive. I know the negative thoughts seem like the truth, and the positive ones seem like the lies; but if you understand that the negative ones are truly bull, then would it make sense to replace them with positive thoughts even if they were bull in your mind too? Think of the difference it would make.

Positive thinking needs to become a habit, so that you have positive thoughts squirreling around your brain instead of negative ones.

So make a gratitude list (and I mean write it down) of 5 things you are grateful for; and you don't even have to truly believe them, just do it. Do this everyday for 3 weeks, and if it doesn't improve your outlook and restore some of your faith I will refund your misery.

In addition, any time a negative thought comes into your mind, simply say no, I refuse to believe this and find something positive to say about yourself, or the situation even if it doesn't feel right for the time being.

Positive equals love; God, faith, hope, etc. do not exist in our perception without love. God disappears from our sight when we choose to stay in the negative and hopelessness.

God gave you the right to choose, and he's not going to do all the work, he wants you to seek Him. With the practical examples I've given above, I am sure you will be on the road to restoring your faith in no time.

If you are a praying person, add prayer to the mix. Don't know which prayer, just recite the Lord's Prayer daily or more if it helps; that will do for a start I am sure it will bring a positive result.

Good luck and God Bless.

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 11:38 AM
It's normal and natural to question your faith. Do you have any friends that go to your church? Try talking to them. Or contact your church's youth minister.

Are you depressed in general? Why do you say you think you will die young?

No in general I am not depressed, but I do have a form of clinical depression, but it doesn't really bother me none
I sday I will die young because I used to smoke, a lot, and it also has to do with my plans for the future

Wondergirl
Dec 14, 2008, 11:55 AM
it also has to do with my plans for the future
And what are your plans for the future?

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 11:57 AM
And what are your plans for the future?
College, then criminal justice, 5 years of swat, then blackwater

Wondergirl
Dec 14, 2008, 12:13 PM
college, then criminal justice, 5 years of swat, then blackwater
To be accepted by Blackwater, you will have to work hard in school and brush up on your spelling, English grammar, etc. Blackwater doesn't accept just anyone who walks in the door.

And by the way, Blackwater would be the SAFEST group to be in because you'd be well trained for any situation and would have the support of the entire group.

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 12:16 PM
To be accepted by Blackwater, you will have to work hard in school and brush up on your spelling, English grammar, etc. Blackwater doesn't accept just anyone who walks in the door.

And btw, Blackwater would be the SAFEST group to be in because you'd be well trained for any situation and would have the support of the entire group.

I know all that, but I still have a feeling, inside, that I'm going to die young, my life seems like that pink floyd song, time

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 12:25 PM
I know all that, but i still have a feeling, inside, that im gonna die young, my life seems like that pink floyd song, time

How long are you going to let this depression and self pity keep you down?

How much is too much?

You don't seem to be thinking anything positive,when do you want that thinking to end?

Wondergirl
Dec 14, 2008, 12:51 PM
I know all that, but i still have a feeling, inside, that im gonna die young, my life seems like that pink floyd song, time
I'm guessing you are about 14-15 years old. Right?

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 12:52 PM
I'm guessing you are about 14-15 years old. Right?

15, 16 in may

Wondergirl
Dec 14, 2008, 01:13 PM
You mentioned a clinical depression. Are you taking meds for it, and/or are you seeing a counselor who helps you set weekly goals and achieve them?

godsbabygirl267
Dec 14, 2008, 05:00 PM
A few years back, I started doubting my faith in God. I even wondered for a while why I was still alive. Then it hit, I am alive because God has deemed that I have a purpose for being alive. That is all. I tried to figure out what my purpose was, and I failed. I learned that it was to help people. That I believe is my calling in life. I did not uncover this idea by reading the bible or attending church. I meerly talked to some of my friends and tried to look deep within myself to figure out who God wants me to be. Now, I still don't go to Church regularly, but I am part of a bible study group at my school, and it helps me a lot, especially when it seems that all the chips are stacked against me. Find what you love to do, and see how God influenced that. That, my friend, is a good place to start.

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 05:08 PM
A few years back, I started doubting my faith in God. I even wondered for a while why I was still alive. Then it hit, I am alive because God has deemed that I have a purpose for being alive. That is all. I tried to figure out what my purpose was, and I failed. I learned taht it was to help people. That i believe is my calling in life. I did not uncover this idea by reading the bible or attending church. I meerly talked to some of my friends and tried to look deep within myself to figure out who God wants me to be. Now, I still don't go to Church regularly, but I am part of a bible study group at my school, and it helps me alot, especially when it seems that all the chips are stacked against me. Find what you love to do, and see how God influenced that. That, my friend, is a good place to start.

I just don't believe that god has a plan for every one, I have a very hard time belivin that

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 05:08 PM
How long are you going to let this depression and self pity keep you down?

How much is too much?

You don't seem to be thinking anything positive,when do you want that thinking to end?

Thank you for replying to this post,I seem to think you don't want to feel better at all,but are just wallowing in self pity.

I hope someday you see this activity isn't going anywhere and get the help you need.

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 05:11 PM
Thank you for replying to this post,I seem to think you don't want to feel better at all,but are just wallowing in self pity.

I hope someday you see this activity isn't going anywhere and get the help you need.

Wallowing in self pitty? I isn't no nancy boy who stays home in his bed and cries, I play guitar, I kayak, I hunt, I play paintball, I listen to ac dc
I just have a hard time belivin in god, and that worries me

jjwoodhull
Dec 14, 2008, 05:19 PM
This might sound corny to you - but last night I watched the movie "It's A Wonderful Life". It's a good reminder that we are all here for a reason and that the lives of our friends and family would be unrecognizable without our influence.

Of course it's hard to know our "purpose" or why we are here. But we are here for a reason. You have so much still ahead of you... Life brings great things to us when we least expect it. Who knows what can happen for you in the future... Maybe you'll be a father one day, find a job you love and are good at, fall in love and get married, write a great song, see the world... And God's hand is in all of that.

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 05:20 PM
All my life, ive questioned things, never thought id question god though, i just dont belive, i kind of dont want to belive, but its depressing, hearing about hell, because i know im gonna die young, what can i do, to get back mt faith

Your words:,because I know I'm going to die young,

This is self defeating thinking.The more you believe this,the more you shape your life around achieving this goal.

Why try to do ANYTHING at all,heck,your going to die young,right?

What does trying to find faith have to do with this?

Have you looked at the other posts you have made in here?Self pity and contempt are all throughout those.

While I see the activity being a great step forward in finding a solution to this,you seem to enjoy this pity party,it has become your shield against being responsible for any effort to try.

Make sense?

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 05:29 PM
Your words:,cuz i know im gonna die young,

This is self defeating thinking.The more you believe this,the more you shape your life around achieving this goal.

Why try to do ANYTHING at all,heck,your going to die young,right?

What does trying to find faith have to do with this?

Have you looked at the other posts you have made in here?Self pity and contempt are all throughout those.

While I see the activity being a great step forward in finding a solution to this,you seem to enjoy this pity party,it has become your shield against being responsible for any effort to try.

make sense?

I do kind of take myself pity, and push it so it doesn't seem to be there until it festers, and yes I do use it as a shield, a shield to keep people who try to read me from figuring me out, but your yourn try ing to make it seem like I don't try to find faith, hell, I've read the bible, I've been to church, I prayed, I did all this to get my faith back, but nothing worked

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 05:36 PM
Faith in whatever you are searching for,whatever higher power,requires WORK!

What good is faith in something else if you don't believe in yourself?

Faith has to start from the inside to be able to grow.

Living behind a self defeating attitude makes that kind of hard.

So again I ask,when does this stop?How long is long enough for you to get the picture and make the change?

You can wallow in the pit forever and you faith will never take it away,self perception is stopping you from seeing and seeking your faith with nothing more than self hate and contempt.

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 05:40 PM
Faith in whatever you are searching for,whatever higher power,requires WORK!

What good is faith in something else if you don't believe in yourself?

Faith has to start from the inside to be able to grow.

Living behind a self defeating attitude makes that kind of hard.

So again I ask,when does this stop?How long is long enough for you to get the picture and make the change?

You can wallow in the pit forever and you faith will never take it away,self perception is stopping you from seeing and seeking your faith with nothing more than self hate and contempt.

Your assuming that I hate myself, I don't nessesarily HATE myself, I hate the fact that I can't believe in god, I hate the fact that I get in fights at school, I hate the fact that I never told my ex I loved her, but its not 100 percent self pity

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 05:45 PM
So,what is stopping you from achieving your goals?

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 05:51 PM
So,what is stopping you from achieving your goals?

Im a softmore in high school, I can't achieve my goals yet

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 05:57 PM
Another excuse.

Goals aren't just for adults.

How about achieving a goal of finding your faith?

How about achieving a goal of getting better grades this semester?OR not getting mad at yourself,or others for a week.

OR setting a goal to think in a better way,any way at all, for a day?Or an hour?

A goal for getting rid of negativity in your life so the future will be there,and you can be a part of it?

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 06:01 PM
Another excuse.

Goals aren't just for adults.

How about achieving a goal of finding your faith?

How about achieving a goal of getting better grades this semester?OR not getting mad at yourself,or others for a week.

OR setting a goal to think in a better way,any way at all, for a day?Or an hour?

A goal for getting rid of negativity in your life so the future will be there,and you can be a part of it?

Can I ask you something?

jjwoodhull
Dec 14, 2008, 06:06 PM
I asked you earlier if you had spoken with your pastor or youth minister. Have you?

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 06:07 PM
I asked you earlier if you had spoken with your pastor or youth minister. Have you?
I don't like religious officials

jjwoodhull
Dec 14, 2008, 06:15 PM
I dont like religious officials

Did you have a bad experience with one? Or is just in general?

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 06:21 PM
Did you have a bad experience with one? Or is just in general?
Both, kind of, I just don't like how they tell you what to do, tell what media is wrong, like god cares wheather or not I listen to rock and roll

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 06:28 PM
Can i ask you something?

Yes,that's why I am here.:)

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 06:31 PM
Yes,that's why I am here.:)
Why is that I couldn't tell my ex that I loved her, I really did, I like to compare tgings to music, this how she made me feel
YouTube - Guns N' Roses - Sweet Child O' Mine: Version 2 Black And White (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn5Y45vNp5I&feature=channel_page)

jjwoodhull
Dec 14, 2008, 06:36 PM
Both, kinda, i just dont like how they tell you what to do, tell what media is wrong, like god cares wheather or not i listen to rock and roll

I agree with you totally about the music thing - that's a very strict stance. Maybe you need to find a new church. Try visiting one with a friend. Or ask your parents to go with you. Often we are raised going to a particular church and it is not at all the right church for us. This is a natural age for you question this.

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 06:37 PM
I agree with you totally about the music thing - that's a very strict stance. Maybe you need to find a new church. Try visiting one with a friend. Or ask your parents to go with you. Often we are raised going to a particular church and it is not at all the right church for us. This is a natural age for you question this.

I can't stand going to church

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 06:37 PM
Music always soothes the savage beast.

If the music makes you remember feelings,try to have those memories of good things,not bad or negative ones.

I know,I have the same affinity to the music and strong memories,for 10 years music was a very big part of my identity,it explained who and what I was about.

After those 10 years the music brought heartache and pain.I stopped listening to the music I loved and began to listen to general BS music,that which I had no memories with.

As to the other idea,you asked,how can you tell her your feelings when they were buried?

Were you still aggravated or reactive to things?combative towards others?

jjwoodhull
Dec 14, 2008, 06:39 PM
Why is that i couldnt tell my ex that i loved her, i really did, i like to compare tgings to music, this how she made me feel
YouTube - Guns N' Roses - Sweet Child O' Mine: Version 2 Black And White (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jn5Y45vNp5I&feature=channel_page)

Is your ex girlfriend the route of your depression? Maybe you were too shy to tell her or you were afraid of rejection. We all have regrets in life. The best thing you can do is learn a lesson and move forward. In the future, don't hesitate to open your heart to someone.

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 06:43 PM
Music always soothes the savage beast.

If the music makes you remember feelings,try to have those memories of good things,not bad or negative ones.

I know,I have the same affinity to the music and strong memories,for 10 years music was a very big part of my identity,it explained who and what I was about.

After those 10 years the music brought heartache and pain.I stopped listening to the music I loved and began to listen to general BS music,that which I had no memories with.

As to the other idea,you asked,how can you tell her your feelings when they were buried?

Were you still aggravated or reactive to things?combative towards others?

I was aggrivated, she was still talking to her ex, and after she dumped me she went right on back to him, and then I was combative, I kicked his @$$

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 06:45 PM
So you were still reactive and explosive towards the world,and the betrayal of her just added fuel to the fire.

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 06:46 PM
So you were still reactive and explosive towards the world,and the betrayal of her just added fuel to the fire.

Yeah

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 06:52 PM
Have you tried to forgive her?

Have you ever tried to forgive yourself?

This IS possible,both counts,the same way even,BUT! It requires a few things from you,effort is just the start of it.

In order to forgive someone else,we must first forgive ourselves.

Are you ready to try?

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 06:56 PM
Have you tried to forgive her?

Have you ever tried to forgive yourself?

This IS possible,both counts,the same way even,BUT!! it requires a few things from you,effort is just the start of it.

In order to forgive someone else,we must first forgive ourselves.

Are you ready to try?
I'm going to have a hard time forgiving myself, I don't like starting fights, never, I made a prommis to myself that I would never start fights, and I broke that rule, I forgive her though

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 07:01 PM
We all make and break our set rules sometime.

Last I checked, I am human, Not a supreme being that never fails.

Don't think your unique with this,everyone has done that.

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 07:04 PM
We all make and break our set rules sometime.

Last I checked, I am human, Not a supreme being that never fails.

Don't think your unique with this,everyone has done that.

So every one has made someone bleed through their mouth and nose

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 07:15 PM
So every one has made someone bleed through their mouth and nose

I sure have,many of the guys I grew up with have,maybe more people will look at this thread and state their answer to this,bet it's the same(or close to mine,and yours too)

Why worry about it? can you change what happened?That was then,this is now.

This goes right back to the idea I am trying to help you see.

Have you tried to forgive yourself and are you Willing to?

If you keep kicking yourself your leg is going to stay bent backwards.

WHO ever said we(as humans) have to be perfect?WHO's rules did you break?

AManWithNoName
Dec 14, 2008, 07:33 PM
I sure have,many of the guys I grew up with have,maybe more people will look at this thread and state their answer to this,bet it's the same(or close to mine,and yours too)

Why worry about it?,can you change what happened?That was then,this is now.

This goes right back to the idea I am trying to help you see.

Have you tried to forgive yourself and are you Willing to?

If you keep kicking yourself your leg is gonna stay bent backwards.

WHO ever said we(as humans) have to be perfect?WHO's rules did you break?
My rules, my dads rules
That was my only rule, and I broke it

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 07:35 PM
SO.You broke a rule,when are you going to get past the beating yourself up over it and move on with life?

Did you learn anything from breaking this rule?

Wondergirl
Dec 14, 2008, 07:54 PM
ive read the bible, ive been to church, i prayed, i did all this to get my faith back, but nothing worked
Well, no wonder! That's not how to get your faith back!

TexasParent
Dec 14, 2008, 08:05 PM
Aloysius disagrees: As much as I'd like to agree with you, there is no black and white in this matter, but various shades of grey. Not every cynical and pessimestic thought is a lie. Scientists have actually come to realize thiat us happy people are dellus

Thanks for the reddy. Have you lived this, have you tried it? I have, and it works. Furthermore, if you really wanted to help this chap you would have honored the various opinions here; and let him choose what worked best for him. This isn't about logic, it's about creating a different thought pattern. How would it be any different from for this boy to read scripture about God's love for him; would you criticize that? The idea I was presenting was an effort to change the negative tapes in his mind to positive ones in a secular fashion since he had lost his faith and it didn't seem like a direct religious approach was appropriate at this time.

As for negative thoughts being lies, give me any example and I will show you a different positive point of view to replace it. It doesn't matter if either are true, the point is to change his thinking for now and he can work on the naunces later.

Why would you want to confuse this boy by being negative towards a post? It could have been this was the path that best suited him, but you have raised doubt because of your logical and literal interpretation of my words. My words where designed for a particular effect, and you couldn't see it.

Were my words so dangerous that you had to flag my post? In the future if you disagree with me, don't do it in public unless I have said something reckless that my harm the original poster; PM me instead.

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To Amanwithnoname: I guarantee you that if you try what I have suggested in my previous post, you will see things differently. It a choice for you. You can continue your pity party and all the attention that comes with it, or you can take control of your own life and take action and that means change. Remember: The definition of insanity is to continue to do the same things over and over again, expecting a different result. Talking about this over and over without taking some different action yourself with regard to your thinking, your actions, your behaviors will keep you stuck where you are. You hold the power to change things, you are not a victim, you hold your life in your hands; and if you want to you can change. Have the courage to change. Change one little thing and see how it works out. I gave a practical example of creating a gratitute list. Try that for a couple of weeks and see if your outlook changes, if so, then bit by bit you could add other small changes that will add up in time to a total tranformation into the person I know you want to be.

Don't give up on yourself, none of us here who has posted hasn't and if it makes a difference, neither has God (no matter what your understanding of God to be).

KBC
Dec 14, 2008, 09:04 PM
My rules, my dads rules
That was my only rule, and I broke it

Last post from me,for you tonight.

Have you ever heard the phrase: Rules are made to be broken?

It's an old one but one that fits here.

Sometimes we break the rules,I got a speeding ticket(years ago.. :) ) anyway,I broke a rule,I got caught breaking that rule,I got a ticket,I paid that ticket.matter settled.

NOW, do I fret over it for the rest of my life,or simply learn from it and respect the laws and don't do it again?

If I keep fretting over it,what will I do when I see a cop, get all scared that I am going to be pulled over again,even if I am not speeding?What kind of thinking is that,what good would that do?

Definition time:Insanity=Doing the same thing expecting different results.

Beating yourself up over something(fighting/lashing out)And expecting to get piece of mind,faith,out of a depression,anything at all positive,is insanity.

This doesn't mean you are crazy,this means you have an obsession with guilt and self-doubt ruling your thoughts.

the medication you said doesn't do you any good,, for whatever reasons, would eventually help you by clearing those obsessive thoughts,therapy is necessary to help you address them as your mind starts to unscramble those thoughts.

Friends,like us in here, can help you too.

I really hope this is helping you,I have watched you as you started in this site and was wondering when I was going to be able to contribute to your cause.Talk to you soon?

KBC

ingrid119
Dec 15, 2008, 02:59 AM
How you feel sounds a lot how my boyfriend used to feel when he was around your age. He felt a lot of aggression and had some self-destructive tendencies (he used to do stuff that could have taken his life, mostly street racing). But he took his aggression out with sports and it settled down a bit. He joined the army at 17 with every intention of joining infantry but than a week before basic training he met a chick who he dated for a while and switched it to radiology.

Life doesn't always go as planned but the changes that it makes always change you. Adults usually tell teenagers "it's just a phase" mostly because it is. The part off life that truly changes you the most is when you are on your own for the first time because all those little emo tendencies that teenagers have usually go away because your too exhausted or don't have time. So when you feel what you're feeling I would take it with a grain of salt because it's probably not going to last much longer.

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 08:06 AM
Last post from me,for you tonight.

Have you ever heard the phrase: Rules are made to be broken?

It's an old one but one that fits here.

Sometimes we break the rules,I got a speeding ticket(years ago..:) ) anyway,I broke a rule,I got caught breaking that rule,I got a ticket,I paid that ticket.matter settled.

NOW, do I fret over it for the rest of my life,or simply learn from it and respect the laws and don't do it again?

If I keep fretting over it,what will I do when I see a cop, get all scared that I am going to be pulled over again,even if I am not speeding?What kind of thinking is that,what good would that do?

Definition time:Insanity=Doing the same thing expecting different results.

Beating yourself up over something(fighting/lashing out)And expecting to get piece of mind,faith,out of a depression,anything at all positive,is insanity.

This doesn't mean you are crazy,this means you have an obsession with guilt and self-doubt ruling your thoughts.

the medication you said doesn't do you any good,,,for whatever reasons, would eventually help you by clearing those obsessive thoughts,therapy is necessary to help you address them as your mind starts to unscramble those thoughts.

Friends,like us in here, can help you too.

I really hope this is helping you,I have watched you as you started in this site and was wondering when I was going to be able to contribute to your cause.Talk to you soon?

KBC
Im in criminal justice, I can't be starting fights, that's not the only fight I've been in, but it is the only fight I've started
Im aware of that phrase, I've fallowed it all my life, don't smoke, broke it, don't smoke weed, broke it, can't drink until your 21, broke it
Yes I do live a destructive life style, I don't like it 100 percent of the time, but I still do

Thank you for all the help, it really means a lot to me, but I still can't find god, I really want to
"I really hope this is helping you,I have watched you as you started in this site and was wondering when I was going to be able to contribute to your cause"
What exactly do you mean when you say this?

TexasParent
Dec 15, 2008, 08:17 AM
Im in criminal justice, i can't be starting fights, thats not the only fight ive been in, but it is the only fight ive started
Im aware of that phrase, ive fallowed it all my life, dont smoke, broke it, dont smoke weed, broke it, can't drink til your 21, broke it
yes i do live a destructive life style, i dont like it 100 percent of the time, but i still do

thank you for all the help, it really means alot to me, but i still can't find god, i really want to
"I really hope this is helping you,I have watched you as you started in this site and was wondering when I was going to be able to contribute to your cause"
what exactly do you mean when you say this?

Perhaps you can't find God because you've forgotten who God is; God is love, you will find him there.

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 08:23 AM
Perhaps you can't find God because you've forgotten who God is; God is love, you will find him there.
God is love, I have felt love, I'm not an unfeeling person just because I lost faith in god

TexasParent
Dec 15, 2008, 09:03 AM
Then ask yourself, would you forgive someone else in your shoes? Of course you would, and God forgives you for whatever you may think you have done. It's time to forgive yourself.

Resentment of yourself is the poison that is infecting your life, forgiveness of yourself is the medicine.

It's difficult to know God when you are infected, an attitude of gratitude is a start. Gratitude is love of circumstance, seeing the positive, etc. Please invest in positive affirmations about yourself and circumstance and it will hep and forgiveness of yourself will become easier; the disease of resentment and negativity is running though you, it's difficult to make the jump from your condition directly to having faith again. You need to help heal yourself of your poisonious thinking by 'choosing' to replace it. If you have the courage to do this and have finally decided to stop beating yourself up; I believe your faith will be restored.

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 09:21 AM
Then ask yourself, would you forgive someone else in your shoes? Of course you would, and God forgives you for whatever you may think you have done. It's time to forgive yourself.

Resentment of yourself is the poison that is infecting your life, forgiveness of yourself is the medicine.

No I wouldn't forgive the person in my shoes, I made the girl that I once had feelings for resent me

TexasParent
Dec 15, 2008, 10:00 AM
So just exactly how long are you going to punish yourself? Another day, a week, a year, the rest of your life?

You could choose a stop punishing myself date, that way it's not open ended. It will mean you are taking control, rather than just staying the victim with no control.

God has given you the power to choose, if you refuse to, is it his doing or yours?

Like the example of the man in the boat:

A man has climbed up a tree to save himself from a rushing flooded river and a man in boat comes by and says get in and I will take you to shore. And the man in the tree says no, God will save me. The a helicopter comes over and a man lowers himself down and says take my hand and I will take you to shore, and the man in the tree says, no thank you; God will save me.

Well the man drowns, and then in heaven he asks God, why didn't you save me? God says, I sent you a boat and helicopter.

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Of course the moral of the story is, God is trying to help you; through this site and other areas of your life; but you have to choose to accept his help. You have choose to stop punishing yourself, you have to choose to have faith.

I know it's difficult, and that is why I have suggested baby steps; but you have the power to choose to stay where you are, or say screw it; I'm not going to sit in this pity party anymore.

Wondergirl
Dec 15, 2008, 10:20 AM
Im in criminal justice
What does that mean? You're only a sophomore in high school and are taking courses like English, history, math, maybe a language like Spanish (I hope!! ). Where does criminal justice figure in?


I can't be starting fights, that's not the only fight I've been in, but it is the only fight I've started Im aware of that phrase, I've fallowed it all my life, don't smoke, broke it, don't smoke weed, broke it, can't drink until your 21, broke it yes I do live a destructive life style, I don't like it 100 percent of the time, but I still do
These are choices you have made. No one has forced you. In the future, you can say yes or you can instead say no and walk away.


I still can't find god, I really want to
You've got it all backwards. You don't find God. God finds YOU.

TexasParent
Dec 15, 2008, 10:58 AM
You've got it all backwards. You don't find God. God finds YOU.

I agree but I see it a little differently. God's love is everflowing towards you, through people, places and situations in your life and directly in your heart and mind; it's the ultimate gift to you. Like any gift, you have to choose to receive it. However, it's always offered and you can choose to receive it at anytime.

So God has found you, and is constantly knocking at the door, you simply have to open it and invite Him in.

Wondergirl
Dec 15, 2008, 11:58 AM
I agree but I see it a little differently. God's love is everflowing towards you, through people, places and situations in your life and directly in your heart and mind; it's the ultimate gift to you. Like any gift, you have to choose to receive it. However, it's always offered and you can choose to receive it at anytime.

So God has found you, and is constantly knocking at the door, you simply have to open it and invite Him in.
God has already opened the door or sent over the helicopter or boat. All we can have the power to do is say, "No, thanks."

KBC
Dec 15, 2008, 11:58 AM
"I really hope this is helping you,I have watched you as you started in this site and was wondering when I was going to be able to contribute to your cause"
what exactly do you mean when you say this?

It's a funny thing,but I happened to notice when you first posted in this site.Your answers were in some threads that I answer(or browse) also and I noticed the thoughts which motivated the person in the responses you wrote.

So,I wondered when I could address the person in their own question,rather than in someone else's thread.

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 12:36 PM
What does that mean? You're only a sophmore in high school and are taking courses like English, history, math, maybe a language like Spanish (I hope!!!). Where does criminal justice figure in?


These are choices you have made. No one has forced you. In the future, you can say yes or you can instead say no and walk away.


You've got it all backwards. You don't find God. God finds YOU.

Criminal justice is an elective

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 12:38 PM
It's a funny thing,but I happened to notice when you first posted in this site.Your answers were in some threads that I answer(or browse) also and I noticed the thoughts which motivated the person in the responses you wrote.

.

What thread was that

Wondergirl
Dec 15, 2008, 01:06 PM
criminal justice is an elective
Sophmores take electives?

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 01:10 PM
Sophmores take electives?

Yeah

Wondergirl
Dec 15, 2008, 01:13 PM
Yeah
What other courses are you taking?

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 01:17 PM
What other courses are you taking?
Basic skills(study hall) active physics alegebra 2 world history 2 drivers ed criminal justice english 2

Wondergirl
Dec 15, 2008, 01:18 PM
Yeah
People in criminal justice and on SWAT teams and in Blackwater have to know all the basics, like how to spell and American history and the times tables. What does a high school course in criminal justice tell you? How did you earn the right to take an elective so early?

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 01:22 PM
People in criminal justice and on SWAT teams and in Blackwater have to know all the basics, like how to spell and American history and the times tables. What does a high school course in criminal justice tell you? How did you earn the right to take an elective so early?
In cj we learn how to use fire arms, defence tactics, lock picking, ethics, criminal state of mind, etc etc
What do you mean earn the right to take electives

Wondergirl
Dec 15, 2008, 02:49 PM
in cj we learn how to use fire arms, defence tactics, lock picking, ethics, criminal state of mind, ect ect
what do you mean earn the right to take electives
Electives are offered maybe to juniors and mostly to seniors who have completed all their required courses. How did you luck out to have finished all your basic requirements by your first term of sophomore year and be qualified to choose an elective?

P.S. Does your school know you are clinically depressed and have talked about suicide? Yes? And yet they allow you to take a class in which you learn how to use firearms and to pick locks??

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 03:01 PM
Electives are offered maybe to juniors and mostly to seniors who have completed all their required courses. How did you luck out to have finished all your basic requirements by your first term of sophomore year and be qualified to choose an elective?
I've had electives since middle school

KBC
Dec 15, 2008, 04:14 PM
What thread was that

I couldn't say for sure which one.

What difference does it make,I said what I did because your responses intrigued me.The posts about the music for others to listen to,like the one from Warren Zevon(if I remember it right).I thought it was a negative song is all.It kind of said smething about your personality.

Call it interest in other musical people.

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 05:33 PM
I couldn't say for sure which one.

What difference does it make,I said what I did because your responses intrigued me.The posts about the music for others to listen to,like the one from Warren Zevon(if I remember it right).I thought it was a negative song is all.It kind of said smething about your personality.

Call it interest in other musical people.
OOH you mean "my sh*ts f**ed up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjk9R...eature=related
It may be a negative song but it has a positive message

KBC
Dec 15, 2008, 05:39 PM
Yuppers. That's the one

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 05:40 PM
Yuppers. that's the one

It's a beautiful song

KBC
Dec 15, 2008, 05:43 PM
OK!:)

So what's up tonight?

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 05:45 PM
I don't know, I tried talking to my ex

KBC
Dec 15, 2008, 05:57 PM
TO achieve what?

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 05:58 PM
TO achieve what?

I wanted to tell her how I feel about her

KBC
Dec 15, 2008, 06:03 PM
And?

Your not too talkative tonight,, what happened?

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 06:05 PM
And?

Your not too talkative tonight,,,what happened?
Well, she said she didn't feel the same, probubly because of what I did to her boy friend, well, it hurt, but I can take it

KBC
Dec 15, 2008, 06:07 PM
You can take it,but what are you going to do with it?

Are you beating yourself up over it again?

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 06:08 PM
You can take it,but what are you going to do with it?

Are you beating yourself up over it again?
Nah, I understood why she didn't feel the same way I did

KBC
Dec 15, 2008, 06:15 PM
So? What is next?Do you have any thoughts about last nights discussion?

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 06:20 PM
So? what is next?Do you have any thoughts about last nights discussion?
Uuuum, yeah, how can I make self pitty leave

KBC
Dec 15, 2008, 06:29 PM
the medication you said doesn't do you any good,,,for whatever reasons, would eventually help you by clearing those obsessive thoughts,therapy is necessary to help you address them as your mind starts to unscramble those thoughts.

KBC

This is a good start to getting relief from this 'pity pot'

Therapy is another.

Facing your reasons as to WHY you feel like you do.

What makes the pity so attractive.It's addictive isn't it?

AManWithNoName
Dec 15, 2008, 06:35 PM
This is a good start to getting relief from this 'pity pot'

therapy is another.

Facing your reasons as to WHY you feel like you do.

What makes the pity so attractive.It's addictive isn't it?
I don't know it=f its exactly addictive, but it feels like it almost gives me an "edge"

KBC
Dec 15, 2008, 09:23 PM
An edge over what?

It's keeping you from feeling anything.

It uses up all your energy to keep it alive,it dominates what you are.Keep thinking like this and you'll never succeed in anything.

Where is your ambition today?Do you want it to stay the same forever?

marriaget
Dec 15, 2008, 09:31 PM
People who talk about hell? People do talk about it... hell and heaven... part of history.. but if they do say like omg hell woohh. Then get away from those people.

& try not to put yourself down, go out find better people.

TexasParent
Dec 15, 2008, 10:14 PM
I dont know it=f its exactly addictive, but it feels like it almost gives me an "edge"

Some people use 'pity' or a victim role for approval. Try not to be an an approval sucker. Which mean try not to suck sympathy from others, eventually they will tire of it and you will find yourself having to find other people to suck approval from. It's a never ending cycle and you will never feel like you have enough approval.

The trick, if you've been reading my posts is about love, and love is about giving. Try giving to others and that means listen to them more than talk about yourself or your problems. Be the friend others have been to you, etc.

It is in the giving we receive, 10 fold more than what you get when you approval suck.

AManWithNoName
Dec 16, 2008, 01:03 PM
Some people use 'pity' or a victim role for approval. Try not to be an an approval sucker. Which mean try not to suck sympathy from others, eventually they will tire of it and you will find yourself having to find other people to suck approval from. It's a never ending cycle and you will never feel like you have enough approval.

The trick, if you've been reading my posts is about love, and love is about giving. Try giving to others and that means listen to them more than talk about yourself or your problems. Be the friend others have been to you, etc.

It is in the giving we recieve, 10 fold more than what you get when you approval suck.

Quit assuming that I use pity for acceptance, you don't f**ing know me, I want answeres, not your damn accusations

KBC
Dec 16, 2008, 01:12 PM
quit assuming that i use pity for acceptance, you dont f**ing know me, i want answeres, not your damn accusations

Dude,what is the anger from?

If you want help we will try,but this isn't going to do you any good trying to argue with the people who are here out of the kindness of their hearts.We aren't paid to be here,this is only to better ourselves and to help others.

TexasParent
Dec 16, 2008, 01:15 PM
quit assuming that I use pity for acceptance, you don't f**ing know me, I want answeres, not your damn accusations

Funny, you were the one who said you used it and it gave you an edge. I was merely trying to give you an understanding of pity and how it's used.

You know, we aren't professionals here, but we are people who have experienced life and likely what you've gone through. Take what you like from us and leave the rest; we are simply trying to help.


Originally Posted by KBC
This is a good start to getting relief from this 'pity pot'

Therapy is another.

Facing your reasons as to WHY you feel like you do.

What makes the pity so attractive.It's addictive isn't it?

I dont know it=f its exactly addictive, but it feels like it almost gives me an "edge"

AManWithNoName
Dec 16, 2008, 01:18 PM
Funny, you were the one who said you used it and it gave you an edge. I was mearly trying to give you an understanding of pity and how it's used.
Well what does having an edge have to do with being accepted

TexasParent
Dec 16, 2008, 01:22 PM
Well what does havin an edge have to do with bein accepted

I'm assuming to you having an edge is a good thing, a thing to be desired; something others admire? If so (and that may be not how you interpret it), it may make you feel more approvable to others or maybe just yourself. All I am saying it to look at your behaviors and ask yourself is this really in my best interest.

Or why don't you tell me what having an EDGE means to you?

AManWithNoName
Dec 16, 2008, 01:29 PM
I'm assuming to you having an edge is a good thing, a thing to be desired; something others admire? If so (and that may be not how you interpret it), it may make you feel more approvable to others or maybe just yourself. All I am saying it to look at your behaviors and ask yourself is this really in my best interest.

Or why don't you tell me what having an EDGE means to you?
Its having an edge over people who try to read me, try to find out how I feel, I don't exactly feel comferatable with that

TexasParent
Dec 16, 2008, 01:43 PM
Its havin an edge over people who try to read me, try to find out how i feel, i dont exactly feel comferatable with that

I'm just trying to help, I apologize if my words seemed too personal. I know you are looking answers and I applaud you for your desire to improve whatever you are going through.

The very best of luck to you and God Bless.

marriaget
Dec 16, 2008, 07:04 PM
Nah Texas parent you are right, and so is KBC.
No need for anger. Take what you get from here and learn from it.
Sometimes you just can't change the way you think of something, or the way you think and feel.. and it sucks... but yeah.

I hate myself for feeling and thinking in some way... but I can't help it, you have to try to ignore it and keep yourself busy. Stay away from weirdo's and stuff like that... hang out with nice people.& try to be nice and cool yourself... cool not in the way of a want to be way.

KBC
Dec 16, 2008, 08:50 PM
What's up dude?

I am going in for surgery in the AM but I can stay up for a little while longer.Want to try chattin tonight?

skittles001
Dec 16, 2008, 09:01 PM
Take things in stride, whatever you believe whether it be believing or not, never be scared, because if you let the fear of death get to you , then you won't have a chance to truly live, Faith is not a question of the existence of god, but the hope that there is something more in the end, if you live life to its fullest with no regrets, then whatever becomes of you, you will be happy. I wish you the best of life my friend, I hope you find peace.

AManWithNoName
Dec 16, 2008, 09:33 PM
Whats up dude?

I am going in for surgery in the AM but I can stay up for a little while longer.Want to try chattin tonight?

I'm not exactley sure if this will go through, I'm using my psp, but I think I accept the fact that I don't really believe in god

KBC
Dec 16, 2008, 09:52 PM
OK so you don't believe(neither do I!)

I lost the idea of god as the supreme,all knowing,omnipotent being when I was 13.Logic and facts ended my belief.

Now I have an understanding I can live with.

MYSELF.

I am the only thing/person/being,that can make me feel anything.

The god I was brought up to believe in just didn't hold water for me.Has there been any miracles that you can show evidence of,in the hear and now?How about this holy spirit they profess about? Do you feel it?I know I don't.

So what is left?Life on life's terms.Living in a world that man makes and breaks.There is no being that is going to MAKE you FEEL better!If you want to believe that,well,go for it.I have tried,many times,I have never,ever had this being/spirit make ANYTHING happen,much help me to feel better,I had to do the work for that.

If I could, don't you think I would ask for the feelings from my life to be better than they were?How about to ask for a better life,not for me,but for all those struggling everywhere,why not,this 'god' should show some kind of interest in those suffering,shouldn't it?Ain't going to happen.

SO,what's left?You making the decisions for yourself.Every time life makes you down,you have to do the right thing to make it better.Faith won't do it,you have none,so faith can't do you any good.ALL decisions are what you make of them,they are your responsibility.This is a life without a god figure hanging over your head.

Make sense?

KBC
Dec 16, 2008, 10:10 PM
OK manwithnoname,I have to get my beauty rest and get ready for the 'fun' I am going to have tomorrow.

When I can,I will post again,I might be a little different because of the surgery and pain,but I hope we can still work together!

Take it slow and easy,take a deep breath before you do anything rash and keep up the good work you are doing in here,OK?

AManWithNoName
Dec 16, 2008, 11:30 PM
OK so you don't believe(neither do I!)

I lost the idea of god as the supreme,all knowing,omnipotent being when I was 13.Logic and facts ended my belief.

Now I have an understanding I can live with.

MYSELF.

I am the only thing/person/being,that can make me feel anything.

The god I was brought up to believe in just didn't hold water for me.Has there been any miracles that you can show evidence of,in the hear and now?How about this holy spirit they profess about? Do you feel it?I know I don't.

So what is left?Life on life's terms.Living in a world that man makes and breaks.There is no being that is going to MAKE you FEEL better!If you want to believe that,well,go for it.I have tried,many times,I have never,ever had this being/spirit make ANYTHING happen,much help me to feel better,I had to do the work for that.

If I could, don't you think I would ask for the feelings from my life to be better than they were?How about to ask for a better life,not for me,but for all those struggling everywhere,why not,this 'god' should show some kind of interest in those suffering,shouldn't it?Ain't gonna happen.

SO,what's left?You making the decisions for yourself.Every time life makes you down,you have to do the right thing to make it better.Faith won't do it,you have none,so faith can't do you any good.ALL decisions are what you make of them,they are your responsibility.This is a life without a god figure hanging over your head.

Make sense?

I still kind of believe, but not in a spirtual way, more of a, hmm, I don't know exactly what to call it, I believe in a god, I believe that jesus is my lord and savior, but that's pretty much it, no fear of hell or heaven any more, no fear of god judging me, no fear of being sinful, I guess I just see god as something that looks down on us, but doesn't judge us, nor does it interfear, I don't really see it in a religious veiw, more of a, I don't really know exactly, agnostic, I don't know, but now that the fealing of faith, and ghaving to allways be careful not to sin is gone, it almost seems like a large weight has been lifted, I stikll believe that jesus is my savior though, maybe because of my upbringing, but I don't exactly know why, I guess its just comferting, but knowing now that I don't have to worry about what happins when I die, it seems almost, intoxicating, I still have some worries though, but those can be worked out over time

hiddencat12
Dec 17, 2008, 02:50 AM
Maybe it's not the right faith for you. Who said that just because you don't believe in Yahweh The Christian Tribal God you would go to hell. It's a ridiculus assumtion. AS long as you live a good life and try your best in all you do if there is a heaven God will have to accept you. Although sometimes by doubting something we regain a stronger sense of faith in that thing. We are no longer following blindly but finding our own reason to follow.

ingrid119
Dec 17, 2008, 04:11 AM
Its havin an edge over people who try to read me, try to find out how i feel, i dont exactly feel comferatable with that

It may be just me but I find it a lot easier to read people when they're like that. Because your pity is putting up a front, what your actually feeling slips through the cracks... like when something you say or do is out of that tone pity gives you, it must be what you really are feeling. Like Sigmund Freud said "He that has eyes to see and ears to hear may convince himself that no mortal can keep a secret. If his lips are silent, he chatters with his fingertips; betrayal oozes out of him at every pore."

And, also, I know that sometimes it can be a little unnerving having someone understand you and your thoughts and feelings but it's a hell of a lot better than having no one care about them all.

Like I'm going to be honest dude other then your internal problems and the chick thing you seem to have it pretty good. I don't know you so of course I can say for certain but even if there were some things going on you still have it pretty good. And I say that because you are living in an environment where you get to live to be happy unlike the millions and millions of people in the world who are just living to survive. Did you know that in Haiti there are children who are held up in slings because they cannot what so ever hold their own weight? They can hardly even move their limbs since their muscles are so weak and minuscule. They're stomaches are pertruding out so far it's unbelievable and because food is so low in the country from the constant hurricanes they have to resort to eating mud and grass patties just to stop the unbearable pain of hunger. And the terrible thing is they could just give up on life and die but they don't. They keep pushing because they want to live life and enjoy at least some of it and not have it end in the slow agonizing pain that it probably will.

Like I know you're really set on your goals and in your mind right now and that's all you want to do but eventually your going to have to get a back up plan if you don't, because it actually seems like a lot of people don't. To give up just because you don't get exactly what you want in life, to be honest, is a bit selfish. And you're still only 15. I mean you could probably end up finding something else that you want to do more than the Blackwater thing.

People who have gone to a darker part of life (like the aggression you have been feeling) when they get out of it they're actually enlightened by it. You might later on be thankful that you did go through that. Everything that happens in life is a learning experience, it teaches you something; makes you understand something. Regretting things is dumb and a waste of time when you can just take something positive from what happened.

Be thankful for what you have. Be thankful of all the possibilities that you'll get to have in life. And when you get those experiences enjoy them to the fullest or else you just wasted a part of your life that could have been amazing.

KBC
Dec 17, 2008, 01:55 PM
I still kinda belive, but not in a spirtual way, more of a, hmm, I don't know exactly what to call it, I belive in a god, I belive that jesus is my lord and savior, but that's pretty much it, no fear of hell or heaven any more, no fear of god judging me, no fear of being sinful, I guess I just see god as something that looks down on us, but doesn't judge us, nor does it interfear, I don't really see it in a religious veiw, more of a, I don't really know exactly, agnostic, I don't know, but now that the fealing of faith, and ghaving to allways be careful not to sin is gone, it almost seems like a large weight has been lifted, I stikll belive that jesus is my savior though, maybe because of my upbringing, but I don't exactly know why, I guess its just comferting, but knowing now that I don't have to worry about what happins when I die, it seems almost, intoxicating, I still have some worries though, but those can be worked out over time

Worldly worries are a part of life,every one has them.

So,if the idea of faith is at rest,what's next?The anger? The beating yourself up over your human shortcomings?What is it that is making life so uncomfortable?

AManWithNoName
Dec 17, 2008, 02:02 PM
Worldly worries are a part of life,every one has them.

So,if the idea of faith is at rest,whats next?The anger? The beating yourself up over your human shortcomings?What is it that is making life so uncomfortable?
I don't know exactly, oh, I met a girl today, prettiest eyes I've ever seen

KBC
Dec 17, 2008, 02:08 PM
I dont know exactly, oh, i met a girl today, prettiest eyes ive ever seen

AHH,young love(lust/whatever... lol)

How is she going to be different(if you hook up with her?)

Does she know of your 'violent' past,or can you start on a new foot with her?

AManWithNoName
Dec 17, 2008, 02:13 PM
AHH,young love(lust/whatever...lol)

How is she going to be different(if you hook up with her?)

Does she know of your 'violent' past,or can you start on a new foot with her?

No she doesn't, she's a freshman
I probubly can start a new foot with her, if I hook up with her, id probubly pay more attenton to her then I did with my other relationships

KBC
Dec 17, 2008, 03:14 PM
That's awesome!

You have learned a powerful lesson.

Are you going to tell her about your drinking/smoking stuff?

I guess you could,but she might not understand.Maybe that would be for another time(right before you PROPOSE TO HER!! :D) JUST KIDDING... LOL

And that reddie we gave that guy yesterday w t f was he thinking anyway?sleeping with her what an idiotic idea!

AManWithNoName
Dec 17, 2008, 04:13 PM
That's awesome!

You have learned a powerful lesson.

Are you gonna tell her about your drinking/smoking stuff?

I guess you could,but she might not understand.Maybe that would be for another time(right before you PROPOSE TO HER!!!:D) JUST KIDDING...LOL

And that reddie we gave that guy yesterday w t f was he thinking anyway?sleeping with her what an idiotic idea!
Yeah I know, I don't know if he was being sarcastic, or just stupid
But uh, I'm probubly not going to tell her about the smoking and drinking until I get to know her better, we exchanges cell phone #s so she's been textin me a lot

KBC
Dec 17, 2008, 05:11 PM
Good start with the texting.

How are you going to deal with the anger stuff?You know that isn't gone,what happens when it comes to the top again?

AManWithNoName
Dec 17, 2008, 05:14 PM
Good start with the texting.

How are you going to deal with the anger stuff?You know that isn't gone,what happens when it comes to the top again?
I don't know, but I really seem to feel happy when she's around< when she speaks, did I mention her eyes, prittiest things ever
But yeah, the anger thing may become a problum

KBC
Dec 18, 2008, 12:57 AM
I dont know, but i really seem to feel happy when shes around< when she speaks, did i mention her eyes, prittiest things ever
but yeah, the anger thing may become a problum

When do you want to do something about the anger issue?After the next incident or before it has a chance to become another month long regret?

You know all of the people who write in your thread are willing to assist you in the discovery of this anger,and willing to hear your rants as well.Just don't reject them for trying.

I hope you chose to look at it.I am more than willing to help you to see it for what it is.It won't be easy but in the end you will feel something I think you are looking for.PEACE.

TTYL

AManWithNoName
Dec 18, 2008, 01:14 PM
When do you want to do something about the anger issue?After the next incident or before it has a chance to become another month long regret?

You know all of the people who write in your thread are willing to assist you in the discovery of this anger,and willing to hear your rants as well.Just don't reject them for trying.

I hope you chose to look at it.I am more than willing to help you to see it for what it is.It won't be easy but in the end you will feel something I think you are looking for.PEACE.

TTYL
I think I'm beginning to control my anger, I met the girls friends today, ehhhhh, bunch of fagets, she's a scene girl, if you don't know what a scene girl is here's a link Urban Dictionary: scene girls (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=scene%20girls)
scene girls - Google Image Search (http://images.google.com/images?q=scene%20girls&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi)
Well being that she's a scene girl she hangs out with emo guys, and they are annoying, all they talk about is myspace, bad music, and how much they don't like me, and I'm not kidding, they said it to her in front of my face, almost as if I wasn't there, they were saying I dress badley, I'm wearing jeans an acdc t shirt, a broun ll bean jacket with fuzzies on the inside, and steal toed boots, while they wear girl pants, scarves, and wool gloves with the fingers cut off, that's hot on a girl, not on guys
But any ways, they were dissin my music, my hobbies
This one guy was pointing at my shirt and pokin at it making fun of acdc, first, unless you don't want to get your @$$ kicked, don't be pokin people, wjhile saying bad things about them, second, never ever say bad things about ac dc, its part of the man code, don't this ac dc, ever, and eat bacon, that's the #1 rule, lol
So he's pokin me, making fun of me, making fun of the best band ever, and I'm taking it like a b*tch, so I'm thinking to myself, pop him in the face, or don't pop him in the face, normally, id go with the first choice, but then I took some time to think
If I pop him in the face, I may never beable to hook up with the girl I like, and if I pop him in the face, shell never go out with me, so I didn't punch him, but I did want him to stop, so I just go full metal jacket door gunner, YouTube - Full Metal Jacket- Get Some (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S06nIz4scvI&feature=channel_page) I start yellin at him, GET SOWME GET SOWME, GET SOWME BAYBEE, WHOOHOO, it scares him and his friends less, she's laughing, surprising, and he probubly won't mess with me no more

KBC
Dec 18, 2008, 02:52 PM
Now that is real progress,you stopped and thought it through, WTG DUDE!!

I can almost see that guy trying to impress her by messing with you!

Now that you know how to deal with idiots like that and not look like a punk,the next time it'll be just as easy!(If not easier)

She respond in any good way,like a smile or a look,, you know the look LOL

Why did you stop and think?What made you do that?

AManWithNoName
Dec 18, 2008, 03:08 PM
Now that is real progress,you stopped and thought it through,,WTG DUDE!!!

I can almost see that guy tryin to impress her by messing with you!

Now that you know how to deal with idiots like that and not look like a punk,the next time it'll be just as easy!(If not easier)

She respond in any good way,like a smile or a look,,,you know the look LOL

Why did you stop and think?What made you do that?
She did resond in a good way, a smirk, then a giggle, then the look
I guess I stopped and thought it through because I didn't want to mess up with this girl, and I also thought, what would clint eastwood do, I didn't have a 44. Magnum on me at the time so I just used physicological warfare
The 44. Magnum thing was a joke by the way

KBC
Dec 18, 2008, 03:36 PM
She did resond in a good way, a smirk, then a giggle, then the look
I guess I stopped and thought it through because I didn't want to mess up with this girl, and I also thought, what would clint eastwood do, I didn't have a 44. Magnum on me at the time so I just used physicological warfare
The 44. Magnum thing was a joke by the way

Like I couldn't tell that was a joke, huh?(I have 2 44. Magnums pointing at the screen right now... ha)

Your progress is really amazing,seriously.At your age I wouldn't have even tried to change my attitude(it took the young girls father pinning me up against the wall and a few choice words from him to do that.:( )

I learned my life lesson the real hard way and I have NEVER forgotten the message either,, it was,' settle down BOY or else... ':eek: I took it to heart,believe me!

So the anger had a chance,now for those eyes... what do they look like again?

AManWithNoName
Dec 18, 2008, 04:15 PM
Like I couldn't tell that was a joke, huh?(I have 2 44. Magnums pointing at the screen right now...ha)

Your progress is really amazing,seriously.At your age I wouldn't have even tried to change my attitude(it took the young girls father pinning me up against the wall and a few choice words from him to do that.:( )

I learned my life lesson the real hard way and I have NEVER forgotten the message either,,,it was,' settle down BOY or else....':eek: I took it to heart,believe me!

So the anger had a chance,now for those eyes...what do they look like again?
They are the prettiest things I have ever seen, I could get lost in them, their very blue, like sky blue, eyes of an angel maaan
But yeeah, girlfreinds dads allways scare me, espesually my last gfs dad, very religious, he wanted me to pray at dinner, I freaked out, so I told him that I didn't normally pray at dinner, and that our family doesn't really stricley practice religioun, his face was so red man

KBC
Dec 18, 2008, 04:35 PM
As a family tradition we still say grace before the evening meal(when we are all together) but beyond that,no,I have my own beliefs in religious things,, as you already know:p

AManWithNoName
Dec 18, 2008, 05:07 PM
As a family tradition we still say grace before the evening meal(when we are all together) but beyond that,no,I have my own beliefs in religious things,,,as you already know:p
Yuppers, as do I

So she called me and she invited me over at her place for dimmer!
Is that a date, sounds like one to me

KBC
Dec 18, 2008, 05:14 PM
Sure it is,, go make a good impression and have fun.. that's what its all about,relax and be yourself.

This is the time of your life where you begin testing the waters,as far as a girlfriends parents are concerned.If you are real,honest and appear 'normal' they should be cool with the 2 of you doing things together.

If you fail to impress them,there will always be other parents to impress(but the others might not have a daughter with awesome eyes like this one... :) )

NOOOO I'm not putting pressure on you(am I... lol):p

Just be yourself,if that isn't good enough for them,you could always be the one that the parents warn their daughters about... :p

AManWithNoName
Dec 18, 2008, 05:22 PM
Sure it is,,,go make a good impression and have fun..that's what its all about,relax and be yourself.

This is the time of your life where you begin testing the waters,as far as a girlfriends parents are concerned.If you are real,honest and appear 'normal' they should be cool with the 2 of you doing things together.

If you fail to impress them,there will always be other parents to impress(but the others might not have a daughter with awesome eyes like this one...:) )

NOOOO I'm not putting pressure on you(am I...lol):p

Just be yourself,if that isn't good enough for them,you could always be the one that the parents warn their daughters about...:p
Ive been the one the parents warn their daughter about:cool:
So it turns out her dad is a viet nam vet, marine corps, but I know how to deal with veterans, my dad was an ex seal, grandad was in the navy durin ww2, got the golden gloves, and my godfather is a world class seal team sniper
So all I got to remember is to be respectful, call him sir, and never talk about nam

KBC
Dec 18, 2008, 05:25 PM
and never talk about nam

Not even if he brings it up,, never keep it going.

AManWithNoName
Dec 18, 2008, 05:26 PM
Not even if he brings it up,,,never keep it going.

If he brings it up, hells yeah, I love talking about wars

KBC
Dec 18, 2008, 05:32 PM
It would be a test of what you know and how far you are willing to stick your neck out(and remember,he was there,you only know what was sent out,propaganda was rampant during the nam war)

AManWithNoName
Dec 18, 2008, 05:37 PM
It would be a test of what you know and how far you are willing to stick your neck out(and remember,he was there,you only know what was sent out,propaganda was rampant during the nam war)
Oh I've talked to plenty of veterins, id probubly talk to him about weopons, or what he did

marriaget
Dec 18, 2008, 06:47 PM
Ha I like reading KBC's comments :D
& looks like you're all good now.
By the way... girls are pretty sensitive, don't hurt her! ;P
Make sure she's no slutty dumb girl!

AManWithNoName
Dec 18, 2008, 07:49 PM
ha I like reading KBC's comments :D
& looks like you're all good now.
btw...girls are pretty sensitive, don't hurt her! ;P
make sure she's no slutty dumb girl!
Hey, don't talk like that, she isn't no slut, and you don't say that about any girl
I would never hurt her

TexasParent
Dec 18, 2008, 07:51 PM
ha I like reading KBC's comments :D
& looks like you're all good now.
btw...girls are pretty sensitive, don't hurt her! ;P
make sure she's no slutty dumb girl!

When I was young; everyone wanted the slutty dumb girl ;) Now that I'm older, not so much fun and looking back; the poor girl was taken advantage of by so many all in iher search for love and acceptance, but she didn't love herself enough to set boundries, if she had she would have ended up with the respectful guys. That's the thing really, a lot of times you can tell how healthy you are by the type of girls that will go out with you. If they respect themselves and don't put up with crap and your able to take it; it speaks to your own maturity.

AManWithNoName
Dec 19, 2008, 07:55 PM
Godamn, it wasn't dinner with her folks, it was a christmas party, with her family nand neighbors, I was bushwacked maaaan, it was FUBAR, constant interogation from every one, what are your hobbies, do you have a job, what do you want to become when you finish college, and if you think that was bad, I had to hang out in the basement with all the "kids" that included, her faggy friends, her girl friends, her cousins, her brothers and sisters, and every one that knew her, and didn't know me, some were softmores, so they know of my violence, and they spill the bucket, hey aren't you that guy who got in those fights, I'm all like, uuuuuh, yyyyeeeeaaaahhhnooooommmaaaaayyybbbeeeeeyy, they got me cluster f**ed up the @$$, so they all want to ask me ?s about the fights, and she's all like, you've been in fights, and I'm like, kind of, so her friend says, kind of,you've been in like 5, YEEEAAH, but I don't want people talking about it, not something I exactly I want a girl I have a chance with to know about me, so I say, but I gave up fighting, and one of her faggy friends wispers to another faggy friend, puusssy, so she says, I think he made a mature choice, so I'm like, thank you, we went up to her room away from all the sh*t and laid on her bed and talked, that's all talked, she held my hand, it was hard cooorre maaan

TexasParent
Dec 19, 2008, 10:46 PM
Sounds like she is very understanding; she's a keeper. As for all her friends and family, I've been there and it's very uncomfortable, but in a short time once you get to know her better it will be cool, and you will be the one who knows her well and things about her that no one else knows.

Congratulations.

KBC
Dec 20, 2008, 04:33 AM
You know what my first reaction was,, UHOH this is going to be a can of worms,, dude is going to have a meltdown!!

But again, you have shown the maturity I was hoping for... WTG!:)

You know you have to pick your 'fights',not the physical ones,the mental ones.You have the ability,this time you were bushwhacked into the spotlight and came out looking like a star,and got the girl!! (I am damn envious):D

The big school dance aught to be simple compared to this little party.

How were you when you got home,you know ,away from the performance?

AManWithNoName
Dec 20, 2008, 09:27 AM
You know what my first reaction was,,,UHOH this is gonna be a can of worms,,,dude is gonna have a meltdown!!!!

But again, you have shown the maturity I was hoping for...WTG!:)

You know you have to pick your 'fights',not the physical ones,the mental ones.You have the ability,this time you were bushwhacked into the spotlight and came out looking like a star,and got the girl!!!(I am damn envious):D

The big school dance aught to be simple compared to this little party.

How were you when you got home,you know ,away from the performance?
When I got home, hmmmm, I was pretty damned proud

KBC
Dec 20, 2008, 09:33 AM
I bet you were! :p

That's what you need to remember when this bs starts again,how you beat it and how it feels to be the victor,instead of the victim.

AManWithNoName
Dec 20, 2008, 10:03 AM
Well I turns out she went out with that one douchbag, you know the one, and that's why he showed hostility twordes me, I asked her why she dumped him, she said she wantes someone less girly, I laughed my @$$ off, that's some funny sh!t, should I tell her about my smoking, and drinking, or wait, I want to be honest with her, but I don't want to drive her away

KBC
Dec 20, 2008, 10:09 AM
I think you would have to take your time on that one.

You have no reason to tell her,you wouldn't impress her,even if you think its best to be totally honest.Brutal honesty doesn't mean honesty,it means too much info is just standing behind your past,like a shield.That wouldn't be a good move.

Let the relationship develop,if she asks(like if one of the punks goes blabbin his mouth) then you can explain your situation.Your not lying,your just not proud of the past.

99trooper
Dec 20, 2008, 10:10 AM
In answering your question, I will reply by asking you a question. What does the alternative side (non belief) offer to a person in eternity? Where would you rather spend eternity? Having faith and holding on to the faith are very different. However, both are attainable. Life is the ultimate TEST, and that's one test I want to get an A+ on. You can too, it starts with believing.

AManWithNoName
Dec 20, 2008, 10:14 AM
In answering your question, I will reply by asking you a question. What does the alternative side (non belief) offer to a person in eternity? Where would you rather spend eternity? Having faith and holding on to the faith are very different. However, both are attainable. Life is the ultimate TEST, and that's one test I want to get an A+ on. You can too, it starts with believing.

Sorry bro, there's nothing you casn say to convince me lifes a test, and if it is, this mofos got a D+, and there's no extra credit

KBC
Dec 20, 2008, 10:16 AM
Now how is that helping you,, you got a better life than that... lmao

You crack me up man! :p

AManWithNoName
Dec 20, 2008, 10:25 AM
Now how is that helping you,,,,,you got a better life than that...lmao

You crack me up man!!:p
I know, its like a C
But I was jokin around with him , if he tries to get me to change my mind by using inspreational bs like that, I'm going to use it against him maaan

AManWithNoName
Dec 20, 2008, 05:36 PM
I did it, my first kiss with this girl, we were hanging out at the mall, with her friends, and she turned and kissed me, right on the mouth, ha ha, it was great, we were there to see a movie, the day the earth stood still, I didn't get to watch the movie, I was busy, making out maaaan

KBC
Dec 20, 2008, 05:41 PM
Awesome,, she's a looker,nice eyes,likes to make out... sure your not being played,right?

AManWithNoName
Dec 20, 2008, 05:43 PM
Awesome,,,she's a looker,nice eyes,likes to make out...sure your not being played,right?
Oh I hope not, that would suck bro, but why would she do that

KBC
Dec 20, 2008, 05:46 PM
I don't know,I am just keeping you on your toes.

You know what your getting into,if it feels right go for it!

AManWithNoName
Dec 20, 2008, 05:49 PM
I don't know,I am just keepin you on your toes.

you know what your getting into,if it feels right go for it!
I will, dude, you should have seen the look on her exs face

KBC
Dec 20, 2008, 05:55 PM
I will, dude, you should of seen the look on her exs face

Are you sure this isn't a rebound for her?

How long has she been broke up with the ex?

Being a 'fighter' who has reformed(even IF she knows about the smoking/drinking,stuff)you are a hot ticket for the girls who like the 'bad boy' image.

Many a girl has an appreciation for that kind of image.

I could get a few to chime in on this topic if you'd like,they would give you a females perspective.(only if you say so,would I invite them to add here,I don't have control over anyone in this site,but I can ask some who I trust to give an opinion.)Up to you.

AManWithNoName
Dec 20, 2008, 05:59 PM
Are you sure this isn't a rebound for her?

How long has she been broke up with the ex?

Being a 'fighter' who has reformed(even IF she knows about the smoking/drinking,stuff)you are a hot ticket for the girls who like the 'bad boy' image.

Many a girl has an appreciation for that kind of image.

I could get a few to chime in on this topic if you'd like,they would give you a females perspective.(only if you say so,would I invite them to add here,I don't have control over anyone in this site,but I can ask some who I trust to give an opinion.)Up to you.

Be my guest bro, but I'm pretty sure I'm not a rebound, she broke up with him

KBC
Dec 20, 2008, 06:01 PM
OK cool,it might be a few days till they are back on but their input will be very welcome.

AManWithNoName
Dec 20, 2008, 06:04 PM
OK cool,it might be a few days till they are back on but their input will be very welcome.
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