The HUMANE SOCIETY HAS COMPLETED AN INVESTIGATION AND PETLAND, AND OTHER WELL KNOWN PET STORES, GETS ITS PUPPIES FROM PUPPYMILLS.. SO DON'T PLAY THE DEAD DOG GAME... In my first example, let’s assume that you simply have to have a dog today. And you don’t want to deal with the annoying questions that the shelter asks before they will deign to allow you to adopt. So you march down to the local pet store and plunk your credit card down on the counter and take home that special “doggie in the window.”



BOOM – right there, a shelter dog will die. You could have found the perfect doggie companion with a little effort waiting for you in a shelter. But since you didn’t want to put that effort in, for whatever reason – a shelter dog will die.



But you aren’t done yet. Since the pet store made a successful sale, they will call up their broker and order another cute little puppy to put in the window. So the broker calls the puppy mill and orders some more dogs. And in turn, the puppy mill breeds another litter. For the sake of argument, let’s assume that the average dog litter is five puppies. That’s five more dogs into the pipeline. It doesn’t matter if these dogs get sold in pet stores, destroyed when the puppy mill can’t sell them all, or if they are turned in to a shelter somewhere. It is still five more dogs in the pipeline. And that means that five more shelter dogs will die.



So your conservative score on the cost of buying that pet store puppy is 5 DEAD DOGS. Congratulations, you killed five dogs today. But you are a good person. You saved your precious new friend from that nasty old pet store. So be sure to hold him tight tonight, and tell him that you love him so much that you KILLED 5 OTHER DOGS so that you could bring him home.



Isn’t this a fun game? Let’s try another example.



Your family pet is such a special dog. Your kids love her dearly. You’d like to have another one just like her, and you’d like the kids to learn the facts of life. So you decide to have a litter of puppies. Just one, because after all you are sensible folks. So you find a friend with a willing stud and it’s off to the races you go. And your precious pet produces a fine litter of 5 of the cutest puppies that you could ever imagine. They are just so precious! Now you aren’t bad people, you don’t want to make a profit off this – you just wanted to teach your kids a lesson about life. So you decide to keep one of the puppies and give the other four away.



BOOM – that’s five more dogs in the pipeline, so five more shelter dogs must die. Quite the lesson for little Johnny and Suzy isn’t it? But wait, your score isn’t complete yet. It is time for the bonus round!



Your sister-in-law took one of those precious pups. And it turned out to be fine pet for their family. Now, two years later, she decides that since having a litter of puppies was such a fine lesson for Johnny and Suzy she would like her kids to have the same lesson. So they breed their family pet, producing another litter of 5 puppies. Wow! Bonus score for you! We’ll add them on to your score, since your sister-in-law didn’t buy a spayed dog from the shelter, we’ll credit you with her litter as well. Final score for you – 10 DEAD DOGS! Now that’s a lesson for Johnny and Suzy.



This game is just so much fun! When it comes time for your next dog you have a choice to make. You could deal with the hassle of rescuing a dog from a shelter, but it is such a hassle (and where do they get off with those ridiculous “adoption fees” anyway – you would be doing them a favor adopting one of those dogs) and they ask so many questions – OR – you can play the DEAD DOG game! You decide. Remember, it is your right to do what you want. You can support a puppy mill or a backyard breeder and KILL DOGS as a bonus. Or you can rescue a deserving dog, give him a loving home, and help stop the wholesale slaughter of 8 to 12 MILLION dogs a year. It is up to you. Which lesson do you want to teach?



Thanks for playing the DEAD DOG game!

Please spay and neuter your pets!

POWERFUL STARBY! I did read your e-mail earlier, "Pledge to Fight Animal Cruelty‏". I haven't had time to forward but will. I love to be around people with so much passion. Too many of us are complacnet and don't even realize it... gradualism I suppose. Too much gets in the way many times and passion goes by the way side. I am glad to see you so passionate about this situation! I'm proud of you girl.

Wow, what a great way to highlight the plight of dogs in shelters; very powerful it won't soon be forgotten by anyone who reads it.

Very well done and I hope a difference maker.

You should create a website and go national, it's that powerful a message that it would gain a lot of mindshare.

You may want to consider getting it spread through e-mail, I know I would pass it on and so on and so on and so on. Then before you know it, it will have reached millions of people.

Again, thank you for creating that and sharing it with us.

I've also become an administrator to a local group in my area, and we are trying to raise funds for people who would like to spay or neuter their pets, but don't have the means. It didn't take much to start the group on Facebook, and in just a few days since we've started, we have local sponsors, and have also raised enough money to get one dog altered. It's a start! :) It would be nice if others started something similar. It's easy to do on Facebook, or Myspace. You'd be surprised at the people that respond. In just a few days, we have 60 plus members, several sponsors, and donations! Even if someone donates a couple bucks, it adds up!

Starby what a wonderful message. I'll be joining the group you started on Facebook as soon as my puter is up and running properly.

If only one person reads this and decides not to breed their dog or not to get a pet store puppy, it will be worth it. Every life saved is precious.

I have my Jasper, my rescue dog. He was 4 months old when we brought him home. He had 5 sisters, we had to leave them behind. I'm fairly certain they didn't find their forever homes. They were all badly abused, not at all social, fearful of humans, not the loving, cuddly puppies most people want to adopt. In their 4 months on earth they saw the worst that humans have to offer.

We took a chance on Jasper, a big chance. My son was 3 years old and Sydney was on the way, but I was certain that I could bring this dog around, that I could provide love and comfort and that he'd turn into a good dog.

For the first 2 weeks or so he wouldn't have anything to do with us. We walked into a room, he walked out. If it wasn't for our other dog Indy, I don't know if Jasper ever would have come around.

He's 7 years old now, a wonderful dog, a wonderful addition to our ever growing family. He has his moments, he's not trusting of outsiders, but once he knows you he loves you unconditionally. He's wonderful with my kids, and wonderful with our other fur babies.

Adopt a dog, you won't regret it, the life you save just may be your own. :)

Alty, I tried to give you a greenie on this one! Beautiful story of love. Guess I need to spread the love around a bit more before I can give you a greenie. I have been missing you but I have not been online a lot lately. Have a good day!

We adopted also adopted a stray from a neighborhood we visit from time to time. (Yes, it was a true stray; we didn't poach it from somebody's yard... lol).

Anyway, like Altenweg's rescue dog she is nervous around strangers but wouldn't hurt a fly. She has a couple of issues; most around separation anxiety (she doesn't like closed doors... lol); but she is a great dog.

Adopt a dog, you won't regret it and you won't win the DDG; which is one game you want to lose.

I just wanted to mention here that I hope everyone boycotts Petland stores. I just watched an undercover video, and saw how Petland buys their puppies from the puppymills. I was sickened! Four puppies died during the short footage, because they were either emaciated, or they had pnuemonia,parvo and other illnesses. I will never set foot in door of Petland ever again. There are other Pet Stores that are doing this to, and there are ongoing investigations! It appears Pet Smart doesn't engage in this, but they are still investigating.

Please never buy puppies from a pet store. I heard the head guy from Petland say to the puppymill owner, that he tells his customers that his puppies come from licensed breeders, or even that they were shelter rescues, and then he laughed his A$$ off! He said that way his customers will pay more, and that means more money in his pocket! Nice guy hey?

I just wanted to mention here that I hope everyone boycotts Petland stores. I just watched an undercover video, and saw how Petland buys their puppies from the puppymills. I was sickened! Four puppies died during the short footage, because they were either emaciated, or they had pnuemonia,parvo and other illnesses. I will never set foot in door of Petland ever again. There are other Pet Stores that are doing this to, and there are ongoing investigations! It appears Pet Smart doesn't engage in this, but they are still investigating.

Please never buy puppies from a pet store. I heard the head guy from Petland say to the puppymill owner, that he tells his customers that his puppies come from licensed breeders, or even that they were shelter rescues, and then he laughed his A$$ off! He said that way his customers will pay more, and that means more money in his pocket! Nice guy hey?

I'm originally from Canada, the Greater Toronto Area and I don't remember any Petland's there. They had a PetSmart, as they do here in the US, but I don't remember Petland.

If you have factual information about any large chain pet store and their practices here in the US, good or bad; please post a list.

I'm originally from Canada, the Greater Toronto Area and I don't remember any Petland's there. They had a PetSmart, as they do here in the US, but I don't remember Petland.

If you have factual information about any large chain pet store and their practices here in the US, good or bad; please post a list.

There are Petland stores all across Canada and the US now. The guy in the video was from the US head office. It said that they don't think PetSmart is involved in these same practices, but they are still investigating them.

The only two I've heard about so far are the investigations on Petland and PetSmart. I'll see what I can find to post about what they said about Petland, and if I hear of anymore, I will post them too. I'm glad they are finally starting to crack down on them. It's about time!

Here is a link from msnbc about Petland Stores.

Pet store chain linked to puppy mills - Pet health- msnbc.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27822309/)

What about the dogs in the pet stores? They'll end up in brutal auctions if they don't sell. Of course, adopting shelter pets is great, but the pet store pups need some sort of help (or, regulations), too.

Of course, breeding to "teach my child about puppies" is also completely ridiculous and stupid. Most kids are grossed out at watching, and rent a DVD. Or, take a child to a local farm to watch animals being born that were going to be born anyway.

If people were to boycott the Pet Stores, there would be no market and no demand for them to order more from the inhumane and disgusting puppymills! But of course there are so many people out there that either don't know, or don't care. They just want their designer dog! So many people treat them like they are an accessory, and then they have to dress them in designer clothes from the pet shops that are supporting the puppymills.

Then in turn, they put in another order to the puppymills. I've heard that since they can't sell the ones the are born without a limb, or eyeballs, they don't even put them out of their misery, they keep those ones around to breed more mutant dogs. It makes me want to scream!

Well here is one Pet Store who gets it - PetSmart Adoptions (http://adoptions.petsmart.com/)

I'm so glad to see the things that Pet Smart does. At least someone is listening! I hope at the very least, people that shop at Petland, switch to PetSmart then. One less customer at Petland, may mean one less dog that has to be put to it's death. Thanks for posting that! :)

I'll say this, I've worked at pet store before, and I KNOW what goes on. I worked at one wonderful store with really caring people, but sadly one of the owners died and it shut down. They didn't make much to begin with because they took such good care of the animals there wasn't much profit at all. They were a good name upon a blighted business. So a few years later I saw a help wanted sign at another pet store and eagerly took the job, thinking it would be like my other job. Well, I was wrong. The owner HATED animals. He is only a business man, and the animals were only for profit. The only reason I did not quit a lot sooner was because If I had quit, there wouldn't be anyone who cared to take care of them. I was literally the only employee apart from the owner, and I worked hard to do the best I could for them, and while I was there, they were okay. Then I took off a week for christmas that year, not thinking that things would be that going to hell in my absence and do you know what I returned to? 5 puppies in a beyond filthy crate, one basset hound puppy bloated so much people asked if it was pregnant, bloody stool, vomiting. He refused to take it to a vet,instead he traded it back to the "breeder" for another and said it was the breeders sick puppy and he wasn't going to deal with. He(the "breeder" came back the next days with the new puppies, 5 more of them, and upon question he told me oh, the basset died. This was the beginning of a severe epidemic. The rest quickly became ill. I told him they needed a vet badly, and he brushed me off, so I went to the humane society and told them there were sick puppies in the store. Before they showed up at the store, 2 of them died. They told him to take them to a vet, and he agreed like he planned the whole time, pretending to be concerned. Well, all of the vets in town hate him so much they turned them away, one vet, with me sobbing with three very sick puppies in my arms said "I'm a business man first." and sent me out, leaving the puppies to die without any care. Some vet huh? Hating a store is one thing, but denying puppies the right to live for any reason is sick. He is no longer in practice. 4 more puppies died before any were able to get help in a town hours away. The last four? They got treated and recovered, to be stolen by the owners drug addict sister and sold for drug money. That's 6 puppies buried near my house, from puppy mill conditions, and then being forced to be in feces and vomit for a week. The real kicker? He got more puppies in. The Humane Society asked me not to quit for the animals sake, oh and god I wanted to, but I couldn't. I was trapped. I was gone for a few days and that was all it took. Without me nothing would be cleaned, nothing would be fed, or watered. I felt so helpless. HELL in a nutshell. This was far from my first pet shop job where puppies weren't sold and everything was loved and cared for. Were they puppy mill puppies that he sold, I'd be willing to bet at least 99% of them were. In fact I KNOW one "breeder" was, but he made damn sure to keep the details from me. I can't turn her in, even though I know she has a min of 30 breeds, and also breeds guinea pigs, hamsters, rats, and mice because I don't even know who she is. Luckily the laws were tightened on animal care, and he stopped selling massive amounts of puppies. I was able to walk away without having to fear for the lives and health of the puppies that may die because I quit. I learned a hard lesson in the worse way. I use to believe pet store weren't all that bad because one was good, and then I got another job and saw the truth. Felt the truth die in my arms, over and over. Next time you go to a pet store and see that "must have" puppy, think about that. Think about finding puppies sleeping in their own filth and vomit. Think about their little fragile bodies convulsing and screaming in pain until they don't have the strength to whimper. It makes you sick doesn't it? Its scarred into my soul. I was on the inside of the beast and I know its true face. THAT is what you are paying to support when you put that check on the counter. I will never again work at a pet store. My ignorance was made painfully clear to me and it will never stop until the demand does, and that begins with you taking a stand by boycotting any pet store that sells puppies or dogs. Those were only 6 examples of the cruelty and evil that they breed. Only 6 out of thousands that stores like that and puppy mills generate and they all operate courtesy to you, the consumer.

People that are selling dogs and cats in pet stores for profit are almost always buying from the horrific puppymills. The conditions in which they are raised are deplorable, and the puppymill owners and backyard breeders are just plain void of any compassion for a living breathing being!

The pet stores that support this industry are just as guilty as the puppymill owners! They are money making schemes, at the expense of a pet who through no fault of their own, is made to suffer for the profit of man! I believe this fall under the categories of aggravated assault, extreme physical and mental abuse, attempted murder, and murder! Many are born with their brains outside of their heads, no eyeballs, missing limbs, and many other deformaties, so some evil, money hungry, sick minded person, can make a buck!!

It's infuriating! It's also been proven that a great percentage of serial killers, abuse animals! Do we really want to put money into the pocket of serial killers?

Also, for all of the people that think that buying just one dog from a pet store that supports the puppymill, or backyard breeder industry isn't going to hurt? You are more wrong than you know! While you are ignorant to the facts, so is someone else when they see that doggie in the window! As soon as you buy that dog, another litter is ordered. They need to order another litter, because they are hoping there is at least one "quality" dog. So more dogs have to die, just because you little boy or girl just LOVED that doggie or kitty at the pet store!

I am boycotting all pet stores. Pet Smart seems to be the only chain which "may" be doing the right thing, but I would be very diligent by making sure they stand behind their words, and are only selling pets from shelters, and not doing it for profit.

SVK! I also meant to say, God Bless You for being there for those puppies! At least they had someone there that cared for them and loved them. I'm sure they knew that you were their only hope! :(

The boss that you had at the second pet store, should be sitting in a jail cell with Michael Vick! Abuse is abuse is abuse! Although outwardly your boss didn't do the horrific things that Vick did, he was a silent abuser and killer! He made money from it just like Michael Vick did, which makes him no different in my eyes!

Karma will come around for people like that, you can be sure. I will not feel bad for them when it does! You reap what you sew, and the same goes for the people involved with puppymills and also the backyard breeders. Unless you are a registered breeder, you should NOT be breeding!

Thank you for caring for those innocent pups! :)

All of the love in the world couldn't save them, and a part of me feels like I failed them. All I had the power to do was hold them until there very last breath, and made sure they didn't go alone on a hard cage slab and then give them a decent burial but they all deserved so much more then that. They all had such beautiful souls. I tried to never name puppies so I wouldn't get attached and want to bring one home, and so not to confuse them when they got one, but no should should die without a name, and they each were given one before they passed. In memory of Cujo ( the spunkiest chihuahua ever to live), his brother Taco, Ghost the white schnauzer, Mollie the yorkie who fought harder then most humans would to live, and her sister Ladybug, and Boss the boston terrier. Not to be forgotten is the basset hound that was taken back and therefore left unnamed, so I guess that actually makes seven puppies then.

GREAT POST!! I don't have a dog but I rescued my kittens (they are brothers) well they are cats now. Funny cause my fiancé argued with me cause she wanted a cat RIGHT NOW!! And I kind of said the same thing Star said to her just not with as much impact.

Thank you for posting this Starbuck, it was very moving and a great way to show how devastating buying from a pet store can be.

I am sending it to everyone I know and I hope it reaches as many people as possible.

Thanks again!

Thank you for posting this Starbuck, it was very moving and a great way to show how devistating buying from a pet store can be.

I am sending it to everyone I know and I hope it reaches as many people as possible.

Thanks again!

Please DO send it around! I think some people just don't realize what they are contributing to when they step foot into a pet store, or buy from a backyard breeder. A lot just don't know! Thanks for passing it on! :)

(Niki says "woof" ;))

I like to go to petsmart because at the checkout you can donate to homeless pets. Sometimes I'll go in there and just buy a bone for Zoe so that I can donate. I try to get in there once a week or more.

Yes, I'm really happy that they do that too. Has anyone ever seen these sites? I'll post the links. Everyday they remind you to click. It only takes a second, and you are providing food for animals. They have sponsors that donate food for every click! It's such a simple way to help just a little more. All you have to do is sign up. I've been clicking everyday for the past year. It's the first thing I do in the morning, while having my coffee. :)


http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/clickToGive/home.faces?siteId=3&ThirdPartyClicks=ERA_121608_ARS

Freekibble (http://www.freekibble.com/)

Oh my gosh ZoeMarie! That was so sweet! Thank you! That was so nice of you to say! :)

Niki sends Zoe puppy kisses! :D

Zoe sends Niki puppy kisses back! ;)

Niki says WOOF! (I guess that means thanks ;)) She's little miss grump today, because mommie won't let her go outside for more than a few minutes. because it's -28 degrees! Yuck!

Oh wow! That's cold. You know I couldn't get Zoe to stay outside to go potty because it was so cold a few weeks ago. We had to buy her a sweater just to stay outside for a couple min. lol. She won't be fitting into any sweater for very long though being a great dane.

If anyone is interested, the first link I gave in my post above is having a one day deal. If you make a purchase, (2 day delivery in the US) you will feed a shelter dog for a week, plus the everyday deal of when you purchase something, they give a dog 14 bowls of food.

They've got some pretty cute C'mas stuff on there, as well as everyday things.

I not affliated in any way with the company. I just like the idea of buying something, and at the same time, helping a hungry dog.

Oh, they do have items for cats and other pets too! :)

I was looking for that link. I must have missed it.

It's back on post #25. It's the first one! I just thought it would be cute for anyone looking for last minute gifts or stocking stuffers! :)

I strongly agree with the idea that puppies should never be sold in pet stores. In order to get the purebred and designer dogs they need they must go through brokers and puppy mills. Reputable breeders will never sell a dog to a pet store or knowingly sell one to a puppy mill. When they learn that one of their dogs has somehow ended up in a shelter or puppy mill they will go through any kind of hell and expense to get the dog back. Reputable breeders will never sell a pet quality dog without a spay or neuter agreement. The backyard dog breeder problem can be directly traced back to puppymills as no dog of high quality is going to be sold unconditionally.

However as a zoologist and someone who worked as a city animal control officer for four years in the early 90's I have a somewhat less sentimental attitude towards the problem. Pushing people to run down to the shelter with somekind of savior attitude is the equivalent of treating a severed arm with a bandaid and to a certain extent perpetuates the problem. A dog is or should be a huge commitment and no one who has always wanted a purebred German Shepherd pup should be guilted into adopting a chow mix just to save a life. They should however be given guidance about not purchasing an overpriced puppy mill puppy at the pet store, but rather sent to a reputable breeder who will also be a mentor for them for the lifetime of their dog.

If someone wants to do some serious good the problem needs to be nipped in the bud which means tougher state laws that puppy mills have a hard time complying with. Our state has laws that don't penalize the hobby show dog person who breeds an occasional litter that is usually spoken for before the puppies are even born - but makes it very difficult for someone to breed enough to actually make a living at it. Pet stores can't make it on the sale of puppies and kittens alone. They have to sell a lot of supplies and pet food and the big box stores like Pets Mart are killing them in these areas. Small pet stores are slowly falling by the wayside and once they are gone the puppy mill business will slowly dry up also.

It would be nieve to think that the dirtbag dog people will eventually go away. There is always going to be a segment of society that acts irresponsibly towards animals. We have to be careful that we don't allow the bad behavior of the few to penalize responsible people and allow emotion to undue thousands of years of selective breeding where our dogs are concerned. It might be sad but the truth of the matter is that not all shelter dogs are good pets. It isn't their fault - the combination of genetics and environment has made them what they are. It is the fault of the jerk who failed to spay the mother and neuter the father of course but should someone who wants a standard poodle for whatever reason have to take on a pit bull - lab mix because of the actions someone else. I say no they shouldn't. I personally foster and find homes for retired greyhounds but if someone has their heart set on a golden retreiver puppy I would never in a million years dream of talking them into a three year old greyhound. They would not be happy and it would end in disaster for all involved.

Big kudos however for anyone who works at getting help for people to spay and nueter their pets. Just being poor should not preclude someone from the joy of owning a pet. Keep up the good work there.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL FROM NIKI!!...and mommy!
(It's her fave song... lol)

YouTube - Dogs with Blogs-- Do They Know It's Christmas? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XzMHjHp7go)

I really think we need to keep this thread alive and post more info about shelters, puppy mills, backyard breeding, etc. etc. etc.

This is an important topic, and one that should be available to anyone thinking about breeding their dog.

Maybe, just maybe, someone will read all of this and decide that their dog doesn't need a liter, because it's the wrong thing to do.

Dog fighters buy, steal, adopt, and even breed dogs as training bait. Puppies and adult dogs, some badly injured and later euthanized because they can't be saved, have been rescued by police who raid suspected dog fighting locations. Dog fighters buy puppies from mills or do their own breeding, and train these dogs to be the fighters. Even if the dog fighting ring gets broken up, those dogs are rarely able to be adopted out because of their killer training.

So dog fighting presents two big losses--the injured bait dogs and the fighting dogs. A human loss is the teens and smaller kids who come to these "events" and think it's so glorious and exciting to see dogs fight and kill each other.

Wondergirl, that is one thing we missed mentioning, I'm glad you brought it up.

There are so many things that human beings do to animals that are not only inhumane, but leave these poor animals with no hope for a better life, for rehabilitation.

It's horrible to know that people like this are out there, doing this, and making money off it. Those poor dogs, they never had a chance. :(

Hi asheridan, I just wanted to say thank you for posting. I had missed it somehow. I agree with what you said about it only being a bandaid solution. However, we do have to start somewhere. Education is key! If more people understood that one litter, isn't just one litter! If they knew that the dog that they buy from the pet store came from a puppymill or backyard breeder, where they had to live in absolute deplorable conditions. Many are born without limbs, without eyes, with their brains outside of their skulls, and many other horrible things. Do they put these dogs out of their misery? Usually not! They can still breed them. So this dog without a brain or any eyes has to live her "existance" to be a puppy factory. These new puppies are now sold to the public, and they are bred over and over again.

If the dogs come from a reputable licensed breeder, who is trying to preserve a bloodline, then that person is trying to do the right thing if all of the rules, regulations, and standards are followed. Also, it should be mandatory for every dog to be altered once it leaves the breeder, unless of course it is going to another licensed breeder. If it is a family pet, it should ALWAYS be spayed or neutered, or the whole problem starts all over again.

However, 10% of the millions of dogs in shelters, are purebred, in data provided by the HSUS. Now this is just the US alone. No one should be forced into taking home a breed that they don't want. But the breed that they DO want IS available. There are MANY breed specific shelters. People just really have to do their research. I'm not naïve enough to think that we are going to change everyone's opinion here. It's that ONE person I want. One person that may tell 2 of their friends, that tell two of their friends, and so on.

I have neighbours on my block, that had 3 dogs. They got them from the shelter before it became their policy here, that an altered dog did not leave the shelters. They let all 3 dogs have several litters. The mothers were all kept chained outside. They would be out in extreme temperatures, and left with no food or water. They let him each have 3 or 4 litters each. I had called the SPCA and Animal Control many times. They were only given warnings, and no one came around to check again. So sometimes even the people that are suppose to police this, don't do anything about it. I live in a relatively small town, so it is not that they are overwhelmed. These neighbours have now dropped their 3 dogs (and who knows how many puppies) off at the shelter. Just before Christmas, I saw that they have 3 new young dogs.

I know that this process is now going to start all over again, and I feel helpless to stop it. I am getting together a petition, and going to try my best to get it circulated around the city. I will then send the signatures to the City, Animal Control, SPCA, Humane Society, Editor of our Newspaper, and other venues that we have available. Perhaps starting with having one person put on the radar, will show other people that the people in our city will not tolerate this kind of abuse.

I've also started a group on Facebook, with the help of another person in my city. We are raising funds to try and help out families that can't afford to get their pets spayed and neutered. It's slow going, but in a few short months, we have already raised enough money to have 4 dogs and 1 cat, altered. We are working on other fund raising opportunities to raise awareness also. Hopefully we can do our small part in this huge problem.

I'll keep on talking about it until I'm blue in the face, if that's what it takes. I made a promise to my dog when I adopted her, that I would do my best not to leave her friends behind. :)

Dog fighters buy, steal, adopt, and even breed dogs as training bait. Puppies and adult dogs, some badly injured and later euthanized because they can't be saved, have been rescued by police who raid suspected dog fighting locations. Dog fighters buy puppies from mills or do their own breeding, and train these dogs to be the fighters. Even if the dog fighting ring gets broken up, those dogs are rarely able to be adopted out because of their killer training.

So dog fighting presents two big losses--the injured bait dogs and the fighting dogs. A human loss is the teens and smaller kids who come to these "events" and think it's so glorious and exciting to see dogs fight and kill each other.

Yes, we need to look at the kids that are influenced by people like MICHAEL VICK! They see someone that has celebrity status, and a sports "hero," (I use that term very loosely!) being involved in dog fighting. The kids think,. "well he's cool!...he make millions of dollars!...he has hot cars, hot women, big trophies...everyone wants to be his friend because he has it ALL!" Who wouldn't want to be that guy?

That is what the young people see! They don't see what goes on behind closed doors. They don't see the violence and abuse! All they see is the guy who has everything! I think it is the responsibility of every parent to teach their children that just because someone has "stuff," is doesn't mean that they are a good person. Of course it isn't just Michael Vick, but when someone like him is involved, it just glorifies it.

Just as I'm writing this, there is a commercial on TV from the Toronto Humane Society! (I am watching the dog whisperer) It's making me so sad to see the animals that they are showing. Some that are blind, some that need makeshift walkers to move, etc. They have no Gov't funding, so they need to appeal to the people to donate, of course. Just in one Toronto shelter alone, just over 16,000 dogs were euthanized last yr. That is ONE shelter!

I think I need to take a break from this today for just awhile. It's getting so depressing! :(

I think I need to take a break from this today for just awhile. It's getting so depressing!

Mean Alty is coming out to play Starby.

I understand the need to walk away, it is depressing, but, and don't hit me, but, the animals in the shelters right now can't take a break, they don't have a voice, that's were we come in.

Okay, take a swing, because it's really easy to say what I just said, but if you're human, caring, loving, yes, all of this stuff can get to be too much.

Hug?

Mean Alty is coming out to play Starby.

I understand the need to walk away, it is depressing, but, and don't hit me, but, the animals in the shelters right now can't take a break, they don't have a voice, that's were we come in.

Okay, take a swing, because it's really easy to say what I just said, but if you're human, caring, loving, yes, all of this stuff can get to be too much.

Hug?

I just stomped on your foot! Did you feel it? :p I'm not giving up, just taking a break! Even the dogs get a pee break right? (If they're lucky!)

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I just stomped on your foot! Did ya feel it? :p I'm not giving up, just taking a break! Even the dogs get a pee break right? (If they're lucky!)

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Ouch, that was you? Bad girl, go to your corner! ;)

Okay, take a pee break, but that's it! :D

I think that cities shouldn't just give slap on the wrist rules concering breeding. You should have to get a permit to breed at all. Most places do not even reinforce the pet and breeding laws they do have. If we had more dedicated officials then progress could actually be made. If as a society we educated our children on these matters then perhaps they wouldn't grow into ingorant adults that either don't know or don't care.

Silver, had to spread the rep. I agree.

People have to get a license to fish, a license to hunt, a license to own a dog, but not a license to breed?

Anyone wanting to breed their pet should be required to take a class, pass a test and then pay a fee in order to get a license. If they breed without a license they should be fined or thrown in jail.

Ooooh, if we were running the world, what a wonderful place it would be! :)

A license test would guarantee that alteast the want to be breeder understands how its done, and a home environment check in order to get this license would keep even knowledgeable puppy millers from being able to obtain that right. I mean if bored cops can sit on a corner for 4 hours, then surely they aren't too busy to stop and ask and puppy seller they notice to show a license? No liscensce = hefty fee. It would slash down the "Breeders" tremedously, too mch trouble for most of them, and benefit the city as well as the dogs! Too bad I'm not a politician.

Too bad I'm not a politician.

Run, I'll vote for you! :)

There's got to be a way we can get this in motion. Maybe a petition, maybe a letter to the right people. Maybe a sit it, I'll bring the signs and the beer! ;)

There just has to be something we can do, but what? I know that if we all put our heads together, do our research, figure out a plan, well, we can do it. So, let's do it! You can't win if you don't try!

How about it everyone? Any plans on how to go about this?

Okay, the States are forming a new Government as we speak! There are new people, and the US Gov't are trying to make a change. I don't know who to send letters to, but maybe we could find out! Alty and I are of course in Canada, so we would need to find out the correct way to do this here. I don't think getting a lot of signatures would be a big problem (I bet even from some of the backyard breeders, that are trying to do a good deed when their peers are watching) but we would need to know where to send it, so that it gets the most attention.

I can't stand the political arena, but if that is what we have to do to lobby for these laws to be put in place, then I guess that is what needs to happen.

Any ideas?. I know it's not an easy task!

I'm going to do some research, I'm sure Judy would too, and she has a lot of experience with research, and her legal background would do us a lot of good too.

It won't be a quick fix, heck, it may not work, but, if we try, that's better than nothing, right?

If we all put our heads together, work our butts off, well, we may be able to change the world, at least for the dogs out there.

Let's do it, I'm in! :)

Lets use our BCBW!! and get er done! I know we won't save the "dog world," but we could do something more than just taking a back seat and b*tchin about it! :D WOOT WOOT!!

Yup, we have the power to do it, we just have to get off our arses!

I'm on it Starby, I'll do what I can, I know you will too, and so will everyone else here. We can do it if we try, we just have to try!

Okay, pep talk over, now it's time to act! :)

Check out this site for starters! What we can do!

What You Can Do (http://stoppuppymills.org/what_you_can_do.html)

Wow, that's a great site Starby, very informative.

I'm signing up now, yup, this is a good first step.

If everyone that visits this thread just takes a few minutes to do just one of two of the things mentioned in the link, it will help a great deal! People are busy, but something that only takes a minute, that can help countless dogs, has got to make you feel that you have at least contributed in some fashion.

Everyone has a minute to spare!

What's sad is that I've people give me a confused look and ask me what a puppy mill was before. If there were more sites like that one, and if more people would take the time to look at the ones there are, then it could help. I find it hard to imagine the monster that can look at videos and images like that and not feel incredibly sad.

Whats sad is that I've people give me a confused look and ask me what a puppy mill was before. If there were more sites like that one, and if more people would take the time to look at the ones there are, then it could help. I find it hard to imagine the monster that can look at videos and images like that and not feel incredibly sad.

I agree! Some people look at you like you are nuts! They haven't got a clue what a puppymill is! Actually a lot of people I know didn't have a clue about dog fighting, until Vick came along... and they think puppymills (if they even know what they are) are places that they have in foreign or third world countries! :rolleyes: It's really funny how someone can sit and watch a movie like "Homeward Bound" for instance, and sit and cry because these trained dogs that are acting in Hollywood Movies, can't find their way home! There are all of these people that will bawl their eyes out when it's done by Hollywood! But when a dog can't find it's home in their "own backyard" they walk away from it. It isn't a well scripted movie anymore! It's reality! They can turn off the movie and rewind it, but they can't turn off real life!

I think that dog fighters should just be thrown into a pit with each other and forced to fight for THEIR lives. The things those mosters do, it makes me sick to even think about it. It kid of frustates me, how the Vick case is the image of dog fighting. Its all people know about. It was around a long time before he got caught. It was no less of a problem, and it is still no less of a problem now. There are still thousands of dog fighters out there, hundreds of dogs probably fighting this very minute.

Exactly! It may have brought about a little more public awareness because of Vick, but it sure didn't shut them down! They make more money with their bets to stop it!

They really should be thrown in a ring, WITH the dogs that they've trained to kill! Let people bet on them! Better yet, do NOT attend these events, and give the thousands of dollars they're betting with to the shelters.

Okay, I know how much of a stupid statement that was, and that it will likely never happen. But I still think educating people is what we need to do.

I wish the "powers that be" would not just focus on Vick because of his status. It raised awareness because of his "celebrity" standing, but it didn't get into the "joe" on the corner who does this for a living! Focus on the little guys too! The guys that are doing the "backyard" fighting for profit!

I wish that in Michael Vicks sentence, they would have allowed him access only to video's of the dogs that are being abused. I wish he would have to watch that 24/7 until it was burned into his brain! Then when he actually is released, should have to do community service, and spend time in shelters, spend time with the people that try their best to save dogs everyday, and also go around to schools and tell kids what a horrible thing he has done, and what THEY can do to change it! Only then should that man be able to have his rights as a citizen back!

What really gets to me and eats at my core are the scums that still support Vick. The ones who aren't bothered by the pain and suffering, and murder because they are "just dogs". One of the best videos I ever saw was one that a firend showed me. Several guys were trying to get their pitt bull to attack a poddle and hitting and kicking it because it wouldn't attack, when suddenly the dog turned and the last thing you see is the camera man getting taken down. That was just deserts.

Here are just a couple examples.

YouTube - Illegal dogfights in Alaska (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2is4-J873MM&NR=1)

... and this next one makes me twice as mad! Pay close attention to what the "victim" says at the start of the clip! Neither parties are responsible pet owners! I don't feel sorry for this man that claims to be a victim. Does he look like a registered breeder to you? He looks like a breeder of some sort... but I'm not sure of what?!

YouTube - Pit Bull Attacks Man Walking His two leashed Huskies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRHpESOPs1g)

The ones who aren't bothered by the pain and suffering, and murder becuase they are "just dogs".
Oh, dintcha know? Dogs don't feel pain! That's what the owners and trainers tell the kids so they will enjoy the exciting fighting even more!! "Yeah, that's blood all over that dog, but he doesn't feel a thing. He's just a dumb animal."

And if these people can say that about dogs, it's only a short hop to say the same thing about other people.

Now anyone that can watch this and want to leave these dogs in shelters, so they can be backyard breeders is either senseless or lying! Now tell me you can't find just about any breed you want. These were from JUST ONE shelter!

Okay, get ready to do it with me!. AWWWWWWWWWWW!! ;)

YouTube - The ABC25 News Blooper Reel: Puppy 25! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S23e2WYbQIM&feature=related)

The third one looks like an Ewok from Star wars. Tooo cute!

AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW! :)

The HUMANE SOCIETY HAS COMPLETED AN INVESTIGATION AND PETLAND, AND OTHER WELL KNOWN PET STORES, GETS ITS PUPPIES FROM PUPPYMILLS..SO DON'T PLAY THE DEAD DOG GAME............In my first example, let’s assume that you simply have to have a dog today. And you don’t want to deal with the annoying questions that the shelter asks before they will deign to allow you to adopt. So you march down to the local pet store and plunk your credit card down on the counter and take home that special “doggie in the window.”



BOOM – right there, a shelter dog will die. You could have found the perfect doggie companion with a little effort waiting for you in a shelter. But since you didn’t want to put that effort in, for whatever reason – a shelter dog will die.



But you aren’t done yet. Since the pet store made a successful sale, they will call up their broker and order another cute little puppy to put in the window. So the broker calls the puppy mill and orders some more dogs. And in turn, the puppy mill breeds another litter. For the sake of argument, let’s assume that the average dog litter is five puppies. That’s five more dogs into the pipeline. It doesn’t matter if these dogs get sold in pet stores, destroyed when the puppy mill can’t sell them all, or if they are turned in to a shelter somewhere. It is still five more dogs in the pipeline. And that means that five more shelter dogs will die.



So your conservative score on the cost of buying that pet store puppy is 5 DEAD DOGS. Congratulations, you killed five dogs today. But you are a good person. You saved your precious new friend from that nasty old pet store. So be sure to hold him tight tonight, and tell him that you love him so much that you KILLED 5 OTHER DOGS so that you could bring him home.



Isn’t this a fun game? Let’s try another example.



Your family pet is such a special dog. Your kids love her dearly. You’d like to have another one just like her, and you’d like the kids to learn the facts of life. So you decide to have a litter of puppies. Just one, because after all you are sensible folks. So you find a friend with a willing stud and it’s off to the races you go. And your precious pet produces a fine litter of 5 of the cutest puppies that you could ever imagine. They are just so precious! Now you aren’t bad people, you don’t want to make a profit off of this – you just wanted to teach your kids a lesson about life. So you decide to keep one of the puppies and give the other four away.



BOOM – that’s five more dogs in the pipeline, so five more shelter dogs must die. Quite the lesson for little Johnny and Suzy isn’t it? But wait, your score isn’t complete yet. It is time for the bonus round!



Your sister-in-law took one of those precious pups. And it turned out to be fine pet for their family. Now, two years later, she decides that since having a litter of puppies was such a fine lesson for Johnny and Suzy she would like her kids to have the same lesson. So they breed their family pet, producing another litter of 5 puppies. Wow! Bonus score for you! We’ll add them on to your score, since your sister-in-law didn’t buy a spayed dog from the shelter, we’ll credit you with her litter as well. Final score for you – 10 DEAD DOGS! Now that’s a lesson for Johnny and Suzy.



This game is just so much fun! When it comes time for your next dog you have a choice to make. You could deal with the hassle of rescuing a dog from a shelter, but it is such a hassle (and where do they get off with those ridiculous “adoption fees” anyways – you would be doing them a favor adopting one of those dogs) and they ask so many questions – OR – you can play the DEAD DOG game! You decide. Remember, it is your right to do what you want. You can support a puppy mill or a backyard breeder and KILL DOGS as a bonus. Or you can rescue a deserving dog, give him a loving home, and help stop the wholesale slaughter of 8 to 12 MILLION dogs a year. It is up to you. Which lesson do you want to teach?



Thanks for playing the DEAD DOG game!

Please spay and neuter your pets!!


Well then get in some full breed dogs at the pet shelters and I won't buy a dog. However, some shelters want to charge 300+ bucks for a mutt. Ain't no way in hell I'm going to pay for a mutt when I can get it for FREE!

Well then get in some full breed dogs at the pet shelters and I won't buy a dog. However, some shelters want to charge 300+ bucks for a mutt. Ain't no way in hell i'm gonna pay for a mutt when I can get it for FREE!

Well then, hopefully you'll get a nice free dog that costs you thousands in vet bills.

You have anger issues, get them under control or you won't last long here. :(

Ashabees has no anger issues.I have worked at those shelters and seen for myself the very thing she is talking about.If you have even a little bit of a heart then would be that mad and angry about it to.I have seen people come in and say " yeah well we got her when she was a puppy but in the past six years we got tired of her so you can have her cause we want a puppy now" and then leave like it was nothing. I watched that dog get put down because nobody wants a middle aged dog that somebody got rid of.so if anybody is not going to last long here it is you becase when people post these things you don't have to agree with them and you don't have to reply to them. If you don't like them then keep on looking but don't tell her to get in control of herself when that is what you need to do. This is directed to the last comment from Altenweg

Ashabees has no anger issues.I have worked at those shelters and seen for myself the very thing she is talking about.If you have even a little bit of a heart then would be that mad and angry about it to.I have seen people come in and say " yeah well we got her when she was a puppy but in the past six years we got tired of her so you can have her cause we want a puppy now" and then leave like it was nothing. I watched that dog get put down because nobody wants a middle aged dog that somebody got rid of.so if anybody is not going to last long here it is you becase when people post these things you don't have to agree with them and you don't have to reply to them. If you don't like them then keep on looking but don't tell her to get in control of herself when that is what you need to do. This is directed to the last comment from Altenweg

And another self righteous person that thinks they know everything.


If you don't like them then keep on looking but don't tell her to get in control of herself when that is what you need to do

Try following your own advice, you just told me to get control of myself while telling me I have no right to tell someone else the same thing. Hmmm, double standard.

Also, I've worked in animal shelters too. Do you even know what this entire discussion is about?

Maybe you should go to Ashbees other post where she yells at me because I care more about dogs then I do cows or chickens (funny, I never said a thing about cows or chickens at all).

If you worked in a shelter and saw the senseless slaughter of animals every day then why are you condoning puppy mills and backyard breeders? I would think that you'd be the first one to say that these practices should be outlawed because of the millions of unwanted dogs put to sleep each year.

I guess not. So then, I shouldn't yell at people who want to breed even though they aren't breeders. I shouldn't try to put a stop to puppymills and backyard breeders and the slaughter of millions of dogs.

I guess I've been told, but thankfully I won't listen. I only listen to people I respect.

Ashabees has no anger issues.I have worked at those shelters and seen for myself the very thing she is talking about.If you have even a little bit of a heart then would be that mad and angry about it to.I have seen people come in and say " yeah well we got her when she was a puppy but in the past six years we got tired of her so you can have her cause we want a puppy now" and then leave like it was nothing. I watched that dog get put down because nobody wants a middle aged dog that somebody got rid of.so if anybody is not going to last long here it is you becase when people post these things you don't have to agree with them and you don't have to reply to them. If you don't like them then keep on looking but don't tell her to get in control of herself when that is what you need to do. This is directed to the last comment from Altenweg

I just realized something.

You think that Ashbees post was the entire thing that was quoted, don't you?

This was Ashbees only post on this thread.


Well then get in some full breed dogs at the pet shelters and I won't buy a dog. However, some shelters want to charge 300+ bucks for a mutt. Ain't no way in hell I'm going to pay for a mutt when I can get it for FREE!

Do you get it now or are you still in the dark?

It is terribly sad when the only two posts ashbee has made on this sight show blatant ignorance and complete indifference to the millions of deaths in animal shelters. People like this make me sick.

25% of dogs at shelters are pure bred and most shelters charge relatively low costs for adoption. Any fees for adoption are to go towards the medical costs spent to guarantee you are adopting a healthy animal although it may be for the best that this person keeps far away from shelters and dogs in general with the uncaring, thoughtless demeanor exhibited within the posts.

Am I angry about the number of good dogs that die every day due to people like this and backyard breeders, whom this individual also supports, most definitely, as should anyone that has even half a heart.

Wow...
All I can say is Go Alty and Silver! Right on!

You know you guys, I've alsways known that the pet population was overpopulated and that because of some owner's greed and need to breed, mnay pets die each year. I've know this but I've never actually witnessed it first hand, until the other day.

I've started a class, that allows us the students to go to any business we wish, I of course picked the vet.

The other day while I was at the vet, unexpectedly a cat had been brought in. He was in a trap. The lady had caught him wanting to bring him to the vet. He was a stray and he was TORN A PART there's no other way of saying. He was a young cat but his life had been terrible.

The vet called the lady and asked if she wanted them to start an IV and antibiotics, the lady said no that she didn't have the room for the cat anyway.

I watched them grab the bottle that said euthanasol, and inject it in the cat. At that moment my heart broke, and it took everything in my power to refrane from whisking that cat off the table and bringing him home with me and somehow getting the money to pay for vet bills.

As the cat sat there slowly fading away, there was a look in her eyes, I don't know what it was, it was kind of like she had given up a long time ago.

I NEVER want to see that look in another dog or cat's eyes again.

Wow Rex that's awful :(
I've never watched any of my pets when they get put to sleep. They put so much trust and loyalty into you, it breaks my heart to have to do it. But when there is something to prevent it, to save them, it makes it 100 times worse.

I've been in the position of being present during the death of many animals. That's why I no longer volunteer at the SPCA, I can't take it, it's too hard.

Most of the animals there are young, healthy, perfectly fine, there just isn't room or anyone willing to adopt them. There are too many cutsie wutsie puppy's being born, too many available that the shelter dogs are not even considered.

Oh if I had a farm, I'd adopt them all!

That's the only reason that I have not become a veterinarian. I would not be able to put down pets that didn't need it and I wouldn't be able to handle even the ones that did. And if I failed to save a pet, even if it was beyond my control? Boy would I meltdown. I guess you could say I'm far too sensitive.

I'm the same way Silver. There's nothing harder then watching a loved one die. These animals aren't just animals, they're a part of my family. Heck, if I make eye contact for more then 1 minute I'm in love, it's not a good idea to step inside the SPCA. It's simply too hard to watch an animal get put down.

My hubby won't even let me go to the pet store to buy dog food etc. He knows that I can't help but wander into the pet section and get hooked.

It's a disease. :(

Having to watch an animal die... Its one of the worse things in the world yet one of the best eye-openers. You will never think of it in the same way again. It becomes much more real then the written numbers you see of statistics. You can't push it away anymore. Tears are in my eyes right now from thinking about Ares. I loved him so much, I would do anything to bring him back if I could. No, you can never forget something like that. For days after we lost him I couldn't get the feeling out of my heart that he must be so lonely and scared in that box and he might be cold and he needed me. I just wanted to go get my baby and bring him back in with us where he belonged, even though I knew he was gone, my heart just couldn't believe it.

Its too bad dogpoundbrenda isn't still active on this site. She was wonderful. She was with me in a manner of speaking the whole time. She has a good soul and veterinary knowledge.

I know what you mean Silver.

I was 6 months pregnant when we had to put our 18 year old poodle down. It was way past time, we should have done it a lot sooner, how he suffered, it still haunts me.

I couldn't go to the vet that day, my mother refused to allow me, thought it would be too much for me to handle, especially because I was pregnant.

My mom went, held Silver (that was his name) while they injected the needle. She held him in her arms and felt the life drain out of him. She said it was the worst experience of her life, but also the best because she knew he was finally at peace.

We buried him in our yard, my dad made a cross, my mom planted flowers and put up pictures of him. One year later we learned that you had to have a permit to bury an animal in your yard. Never knew that. :eek:

I pity the person that tears up the yard, there's one dog, 2 rabbits, 2 budgies, a hamster and one unknown rodent that we found and tried to keep alive. :eek:

Out here where I live there aren't any restrictions on pets. Not how many you can keep or where you can bury them. I couldn't imagine living in a place with such tough pet restrictions. Breeding restrictions sure, we need 'em, but I think a person ought to be able to keep as many animals as they can afford and take care of properly.

Since this was my early childhood home, gifted to us when I got married, there are more pets buried around here then I can remember. I personally have laid seven puppies, my own Ares and the little lost souls from the pet shop of horrors I mentioned before, one cat, and four gerbils.

I'm in the burbs, in the country there are less restrictions.

The reason that they have limits is because too many people around here wouldn't stop at what they can afford to care for.

Kilal came from a home with over 200 bunny's in it. The lady just let them all roam free and breed whenever they wanted. She lived in one big house of rabbit poo.

Over 30 of the rabbits had to be put down, they were either too sick or too feral to adopt out.

Our little Kilala is a troubel child, but she's coming around. We chose her because the staff said she had issues and would probably end up being euathanized. No way!

She's my sweetie, spunky, nasty when she wants to be, just a little bundle of attitude. She's the bunny version of me. :)

My dream since I was young was to be a veteranarian, if I could help just one pet then it would all be worth it.

When they euthanized that kitten though, I kept picturing it as one of my cats.

I still hope one day I will become a veteranarian. And I will do everything in my power to save any cat or dog in that position. Abuse, or just plain neglect animals, can not speak and need us to be their voice.

I can see me being one of the people holding meetings and stuff for the importance of spaying and neutering their pets.

Rex, don't give up on that dream, the world needs good people like you to offer vet care.

So many vets get into it for the money. We found a stray cat one time, badly beaten, needed care but we really couldn't afford to pay for it, we also couldn't keep her, hubby and the kids are allergic.

We took her to a local vet because our vet was on holidays. She wouldn't care for the cat without payment. I asked her "why the heck did you get into veterninary medicine if you have no intention of helping animals?" her response "I didn't do it to save the world, just those that can pay".

I was so mad. The worst part, since it wasn't our cat and she knew it, she made the decision to euthanize, she wouldn't give the cat back. Twenty twenty hind sight, I should have taken her the humane society.

The worst part. She sent us a bill 1 month later for the cost of euthanizing the cat. Ya, right, nice try, not going to happen! :(

There's one vet office around here that I'd be hard pressed to bring any animal to even if it was the last clinic on earth! They are rude, uncaring, and incompetent to boot. I know people who have lost pets because of their incompetence, Including a girl that had three dachshund puppies. She brought them in when they started to act sickly and they sent them off with a wave of the hand and said its no big deal, if they are still sick in two days come back. Guess what? They had parvo! Two of the three died because they weren't treated in time. They have overdosed dogs and killed them in basic procedures such as spay and neuter. They even killed some people's English Bulldog by giving it a medicine it was allergic to, even though that allergy was known to them. I don't know how they are in practice! Yet the uninformed or dull witted keep coming back.

Another vet office in town that did close was only in it for money and they lost one man's min pin. Not lost as in died, lost as in lost! The man just wanted his dog neutered and they "took it out to potty", without a leash I might add, and surprise! The scared dog ran away. He never saw his dog again.

Wow, has anyone reported them Silver? That's shocking!
How on earth can a vet lose a dog?? I wouldn't trust eaither of those with a lump of dirt let alone my dog!
I had to shop around for a long time before I found a vet I trusted with my bunny (she comes back today, yay!)