Do you need to repent to be saved from hell as a bisexual or gay person?

How does one do this?

I am sure you are going to get a lot of different replies
If you are wanting to know what the Bible says then yes.
Some people 'condemn' homosexuals as a worse sin but the Bible doesn't state that there are different degrees of sin. Like in the story of the adulterous woman Jesus said 'Let him who is without sin cast the first stone' Now we have adulterer's condemning homosexuality.

But how do you repent? Go see a priest and say a few Hail Marys and, bob's your uncle, your saved.

I just don't get it. Am I supposed to be sorry for doing something I felt and do still feel was right?

You find it in your inner most self that you want to change things about you and you ask God for the strength to change and lead a spirit filled life.
You feel sorry for displeasing God and ask him to show you how to live a Christian life.

What Is Repentance? (http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/gn/gn003/gn003gw1.htm)

mwtb.org - What does it mean to repent? Is repentance necessary for salvation today? (http://www.mwtb.org/html/600050.html)

listen to gospel music praise at gospelway.com (http://www.gospelway.com/salvation/repentance.php)

Repent! (http://www.evangelical.us/repent.html)

repentance (http://www.studythebible.com/question/topics/repentan.htm)

The bible is very clear, that we have to repent of our sin.
The term repent is very clear as its use in the bible, it is a complete turning around, a change.

You can not repent until you first accept the fact it is wrong, if you believe it is OK then it is impossible to repent.

Leviticus 18: 22. `You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

Romans 1 also says they gave up their natural passion for the same sex... very lose paraphrase.

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

N0help4u.
Very good post.
Thanks.
Fted

neverme
Examine what you do if it is for your benefit, for your own good.Is it leading you to a better and more balanced life?Do you see any future in your life if you continue doing this?
A sin is something that does not provide something REAL to us, so is this providing you something REAL or not?Test it!
If I lie for example , I know that eventually it will hurt me in some way.I could lose a good friend, or a job ! Don't think that sin is something that God just doesn't like but think of it like it is something that hurts us and destroys our happiness.
There are so many things here to say about what is sin and what we think is sin but I will keep my thoughts for the future.
In conclusion I agree with what Fr_Chuck wrote about first realizing that what you do is not good!

Be well!

But why is it so wrong? Just because the bible says so? I know this might be hard for others to understand, thanks for your comments.

Adam, how can the person I'm with fundamentally hurt me?

But why is it so wrong? Just because the bible says so? I know this might be hard for others to understand, thanks for your comments.

Adam, how can the person I'm with fundamentally hurt me?

Are you trying to find someone who will tell you that your life style is acceptable according to the Bible? Won't happen!
The Bible is very clear on it's view of homosexuality. If you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God then you must accept that no questions asked. However if you continue in the homosexual life style then you are saying that you do not believe the Bible and what it says. That's all there is to it!

neverme,

Bottom line is you are going OUTSIDE the boundries God has set. It may feel right now... but it won't in the end. This goes for EVERY sin. The Lord says he set before us.. LIFE and Death. Then he goes on to say... choose LIFE. For the wages of sin.. is death.

Classy you are correct it is not a Christian answer. It is a logical answer.

LOL.. ok. But I think I gave GREAT logic. God says.. here is death.. here is life... choose LIFE!

HUH??
Just because we sin does not equal instant death. We in fact may live a full life, but come judgment day wou me we all will have to stand before the throne of God and answer for our sins.

Neverme, if you are a follower of Christ and have been saved then the Holy Spirit lives in you. Listen to that feeling and voice within you showing you the way to live. Jesus says "whoever wants to follow me must take up his cross daily" This is a daily decision to be made. Our life of following Christ is not going to be easy and uncomplicated it wasn't for Jesus and won't be for us. Do I believe that living a gay lifesytle is a sin? You bet. Do I love the sinner and hate the sin? You bet. It is not my or any other persons place to judge your lifestyle or actions but it is you that must live with your decisions and your free will to listen to the Holy Spirit or not. God Bless!

Yes we get to stand before "God" and then all the gay people can ask "God" why did you make me like this.

I don't think so Spitvenom, we reap what we sow... Along with free will to follow Christ or not, this would be up to the individual as a choice. God will allow strong delusion, that they may believe whatever their free will has elected to accept in living their life here on earth. Satan's role is to cause the deception just as he did with Adam and Eve.

We have a choice in free will and somewhere along the way the heart accepted the deception that was given by satan. This was true in Sodom and Gomorrah, (Genesis 19:5) when Lot tried to offer his daughters instead of the man angels that had come to his home. ( Genesis 19:8) In the end God decided because of their evil way the city would be destroyed.

When we follow Christ we walk in Christ. The protection Christ offers each individual is the armor that we are told to put on against deception.
(Isa59:17) Just as 1 Peter tells us to arm ourselves and suffer in the flesh to stop sin.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

So much of this and other such manners are whether we put God first, and above all else in free will. Whether we have been baptized into new life with the Holy Spirit as Christ commanded. (Matthew 28:16-20) And whether we remain in Christ and in the light which is the path of the lamp in law, and righteousness. (Isa 42:6) (1 Sa 22:29) (Prov 6:23)
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I am glad you got over that it can be nasty. Some say addiction is hereditary I don't believe that since my Aunt and Uncle are Raging alcoholics and my cousin never drinks.

But that is not the same as being gay. When I was 10 I had a friend when he would call or come over my dad would say fruity is here or other mean things like that skip ahead 15 years he comes out and says he is gay. I asked my dad after my friend came out how did you know he was gay? He said you can tell you would be playing football and he would paint his nails with your sister. We would slap box he would be playing with dolls. Are you seriously telling me at 10 years old he made the decision to be gay?

And to back up my point even more read this link. FOXNews.com - Gay, Straight Men's Brain Responses Differ - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155990,00.html)

Homosexuality is a sin because the highest authority in the universe says it is.
Male and female were made for each other to continue the species.
For we human to deviate from that is unnatural; an act against nature.
In the long run that can only hurt as we have seen with other acts against nature.
History proves that homosexuals do hurt each other and themselves in quite a number of ways.
One of the main ways it that they are outcasts of general society even though they struggle to be accepted mainly they are not.
Yes some do accept them but most do not.
Note that several states have outlawed same sex marriage and others intend to do so.
In my state it was 3 to 1 against it.
In my case a job I had my supervisor was gay. We got along well with each other, but several people hated him and avoided him like he had a plague.
Homosexuality is repugnant to a great many people and always will be.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

sndbay i'am sorry but you are wrong. I have yet to meet a gay person that says no im straight but i'd rather be with men. This is how they were born. Just like someone with down syndrome or someone born with an extra finger. They didn't choose it they were MADE like that.

I would not want to lie nor mislead someone. But neither should you. It is written in scripture. God is aware of the deception and those who follow it. When you see that Neverme has asked for a way in repenting, obviously it has come to heart that it is the questionable path in life. You should not want to further Neverme path by justifying it according to friends or others who have made the free will decision to walk as they have done.

Take this up in prayer with Our Father and ask to do His Will. Repent and be baptized into newness of life. Fight satan's deception, suffer the flesh to stop sin.. God will not forake you or your desire to walk in the light.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Proverbs 6: 17-19
1. A proud look, 2. a lying tongue, and 3. hands that shed innocent blood, 4.An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, 5. feet that be swift in running to mischief, 6. A false witness that speaketh lies, and 7.he that soweth discord among brethren.

When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and when thou awakest, it shall talk with thee.
Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment [is] a lamp; and the law [is] light; and reproofs of instruction [are] the way of life:

sndbay,
You post is a good one and should be taken to heart.
It is very sad that it has been rejected by one who is controlled by sin.
Fred

Do you need to repent to be saved from hell as a bisexual or gay person?

How does one do this?

Each individual needs to figure out this answer for themselves personally. Love is the greatest commandment but also walking away from our sins is asked of us, but how many people do that? Is one sin worse then another that is another debate. We are all sinners and we all need forgiveness. We are all tempted by flesh, yet we also need to find our spiritual being and be more focused on the things we can not see then the things we can.

Just because you believe the scriptures does not make them true. They have no control over my life I do. You can quote the scriptures all you want but since they mean nothing to me they are just words of nonsense.

We both know where we stand..

Matthew 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

This is the Christianity board, those answers attacking christianity have been deleted.

This is not an issue about homosexual behavior, it is about how to repent for the sin.

Neverme has had several good answers. I will add this:

Isa 1:18
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
(KJV)

God is reasonable and can ALWAYS be reached through prayer. Just talk to Him like you would talk to anyone else. Admit your condition and your feelings freely. He already knows, but you need to speak those things to Him and then ask His guidance and help to find the proper course for your life. He has promised to meet any sincere appeal.

But why is it so wrong? Just because the bible says so?

God describes homosexuality in the bible as "obscene and unnatural." (Romans 1:26,27) Why? For the same reason he warns about those who give way to rage or to violence. (James 1:20, Prov 16:29) His commandments are for our own good. Do you know yourself better than the one who created us?
Think about this. Male and female genitalia fit together well yes? A male with a male on the other hand has to fill that female role right? So would this not seem unnatural and abusive of the purpose for such an act?
In order to repent you'd need to shift your thinking from wanting to please yourself to wanting to please God.
Isaiah 48:17 reminds us that God is the One who teaches us to benefit ourselves, who causes us to tread in the way in which we should walk. Then in vs 18 he says, "O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea."
It doesn't sound like you have much peace at the moment.

Moparbyfar.
You made the point very well.
Fred

neverme!
It is not about the person you are with,hurting you, but it is about the behavior.The person is as human as me and you but this behavior comes from something that is not.It comes from something that hates me and you and the person you are with and all mankind.It hates us because we are made in the image of God and it is not.It poisons us so that we can't have what it also can't have.Its name is Satan , the father of sin and he is doing everything in his power to make us like him when we are supposed to be like our real father, God!

adam7gur,
You are right.
Homosexuality is NOT in the in the image of God.
Jesus is our physical image of God.
Though he never married (that was not a part of His Mission) he spoke of marriage between a man and a woman as being sacred.
A same sex union is the opposite thereof.
A persons spirit and spirituality IS the most important part of our life.
It is our path through God's grace to eternal life.
living in a sin that is repugnant to God destroys a person's ticket to heaven.
That is how dangerous practicing a homosexual life style is.
Eternity is at stake.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

I Cor 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not deceive, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, now swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

450donn,
Well said.
Well done.
But the person who came here with the question has said that what scripture says is not of interest to him.
So my question is why did he come to a Christian board with his question?
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Acura,

First of all I am a woman. And I never said that what scripture has to say is no interest to me, I asked a question and am finding this hard to understand that is why I posed this question. I have read all the replies and the reason that I did not reply to them was exactly for this reason I did not want it to be perceived that I was not grateful for the replies by poking holes in them per say. Please do not make assumptions on my behalf.

neverme
Oops, I'm sorry.
It was spitvenom who said that not you.
My apologies,'
Fred.

That's OK I just don't want this thread to be misinterpreted as I thought it might before I posted it

Do you need to repent to be saved from hell as a bisexual or gay person?

How does one do this?

So, to answer your questions, YES you need to repent and turn from that lifestyle.

Get down on your knees and have a conversation with God, apologize for your sins, ask for the free gift of salvation that the blood of Jesus provided you. Go and sin no more. It is really that simple. The rest is where it can get complicated.

450donn.
Very good answer.
Fred

You have to love yourself above all things. If you are happy with your life as it is that is a wonderful thing but if you feel guilty that is not good. If you are a kind and loving person then that is all you need. Why would you have to repent for being you? Good luck

you have to love yourself above all things. if you are happy with your life as it is that is a wonderfull thing but if you feel guilty that is not good. If you are a kind and loving person then that is all you need. why would you have to repent for being you? good luck

Yes you have to love yourself but even a serial killer can love themselves. The Bible teaches that it is not all about you being happy with yourself. We get a lot of baggage in our life and it is good to clean house when we do.

NOhelp4U,
True.
Well said.
Fred

I think you need your own personal relationship, with a God you understand.

you have to love yourself above all things. if you are happy with your life as it is that is a wonderfull thing but if you feel guilty that is not good. If you are a kind and loving person then that is all you need. why would you have to repent for being you? good luck


No loving yourself is far from what saves you, it may make you feel good but there are billions of happy unsaved people in the world.
Actually in fact this attitude of if it feels good do it, is what has made society as lost as it is.

But why is it so wrong? Just because the bible says so?....

For us, there's not a "just because" before the Bible. We believe the Bible is God's Word. Therefore we obey.

Here's one of the relevant Bible verses.

1 Corinthians 6:8-10
8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Here, St. Paul explains that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. He goes on to define "unrighteous" as "fornicators" and "effeminate" among others. Homosexuals and bi-sexuals fall under these categories. Fornicating means sex outside of marriage. And effeminate in this context means homosexual.

Bi-sexual behavior is a form of homosexual behavior.

Why is it a form of unrighteousness? Because God revealed a plan of salvation from the beginning. One of the parts of His plan include:

Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Therefore, a man cleaving to a man or a woman cleaving to a woman are forms of unrighteousness from which we must repent with the firm resolution never to commit the sin again.

In order for you to believe this, first you must have faith and love of God. Or at least a fear of eternal consequences.

Sincerely,

Fr Chuck,
I agree with you 100 percent on that.
Fred

No loving yourself is far from what saves you, it may make you feel good but there are billions of happy unsaved people in the world.
Actually in fact this attitude of if it feels good do it, is what has made society as lost as it is.

Oops! I meant to say DISagree.:)

cozyk.
I STRONGLY agree with Fr. Chuck
Peace and kindness,
Fred

There is nothing wrong with homosexual activity if it is between two consenting adults. The church is old and out of date with modern times and should update themselves-Everything is a sin in the catholic church and look at some of what they turn out... It, is not a sin to love another regardless of sexuality.

No loving yourself is far from what saves you, it may make you feel good but there are billions of happy unsaved people in the world.
Actually in fact this attitude of if it feels good do it, is what has made society as lost as it is.

Bugs me the way christians throw the word "save" around like it's a given that we are "not saved". I know they believe it since it's in the bible. I happen to believe the bible is just one of many "game plans " (religions) for the human race to segregate. The ego likes nothing better than to say my way is better than your way. Be true to your authentic self. Try to live above your ego and follow the natural inclination to goodness that lives in your heart.
If you truly believe with your heart, soul, and gut, that you are doing nothing wrong, then you aren't. What makes this society lost is that people are searching for happiness "out there" somewhere when like Dorothy (Wiz of Oz) you had it the whole time. Be true to your core beliefs and your conscience will tell you the truth. That inner voice you hear is God.
He has your back if you just let him. Now and always.

Bugs me the way christians throw the word "save" around like it's a given that we are "not saved". I know they believe it since it's in the bible. I happen to believe the bible is just one of many "game plans " (religions) for the human race to segregate. The ego likes nothing better than to say my way is better than your way. Be true to your authentic self. Try to live above your ego and follow the natural inclination to goodness that lives in your heart.
If you truly believe with your heart, soul, and gut, that you are doing nothing wrong, then you aren't. What makes this society lost is that people are searching for happiness "out there" somewhere when like Dorothy (Wiz of Oz) you had it the whole time. Be true to your core beliefs and your conscience will tell you the truth. That inner voice you hear is God.
He has your back if you just let him. Now and always.
What a contradiction of statements here.
First you say "I happen to believe the bible is just one of many "game plans " (religions) for the human race to segregate."
Then you say "That inner voice you hear is God. "
So what is it that you believe in? God or yourself?
You cannot follow two masters. Either you believe in God and the Bible as the inspired word of God or you don't. There is no in between ground on this subject.

What a contradiction of statements here.
First you say "I happen to believe the bible is just one of many "game plans " (religions) for the human race to segregate."
Then you say "That inner voice you hear is God. "
So what is it that you believe in? God or yourself?
You cannot follow two masters. Either you believe in God and the Bible as the inspired word of God or you don't. There is no in between ground on this subject.


That is most assuredly not a contradiction. Why is their no in between ground? Why do you have to accept "God and the Bible as the inspired word of God"? You mean you can't believe in God and dismiss the Bible? You can't have a personal God? I didn't realize there were restrictions.

If, when this country began, there were two distinct, equally powerful religions equally involved in setting up our laws, one Christian and one promoting a gay lifestyle, then the issue of fighting for gay civil rights would not exist. If one of the many editors and translators of the Bible had left out the parts condemning homosexuality, there would be no discussion here. It would be a non-issue.

The Bible specifically says that homosexuality is a sin. It also says that eating shellfish will not be tolerated. There are far more shellfish-eating Christians than homosexual Christians, so why don't we focus on the majority of sinners?

Because that is what the bible says. You choice to believe it or not. There is but one true God There are not many gods like the Romans or the Greeks or even the Egyptians believed. What I am reading from your comments is that you believe in an inner god (many gods) because if as you are trying to say were true, then your inner god would not be big enough for me too, so I would have to have my own inner god. If you are truly seeking the face of God, then a study of the bible would help you understand that there is but ONE TRUE GOD not many.

Because that is what the bible says. You choice to believe it or not. There is but one true God There are not many gods like the Romans or the Greeks or even the Egyptians believed. What I am reading from your comments is that you believe in an inner god (many gods) because if as you are trying to say were true, then your inner god would not be big enough for me too, so I would have to have my own inner god. If you are truly seeking the face of God, then a study of the bible would help you understand that there is but ONE TRUE GOD not many.

So your reasoning is, "Believe the Bible because it says to believe it". If that's good enough for you, OK.

But don't try to tell the asker of the question or cozyk that someone can't experience a personal relationship with God without ever having seen a Bible. Job didn't get to read the Scriptures, but he shared quite an interesting relationship with God. He had faith, and had no choice but to follow his "inner voice" or whatever you want to call it. If God exists, and God speaks to you, you better hope you believe God, and don't dismiss what God says if it happens to contradict the Bible.

If you had read the Bible much you would understand the reasoning behind my statements. God exists I believe as do all of the Christian faiths believe. God gave us free will to accept or reject his teachings. If you choose to reject them that is your free will, just like believing in many gods. But that is not what or how the bible teaches, so yes I do believe the bible.
Someone long ago far wiser than myself once said, "when in doubt, doubt the doubt".

If you had read the Bible much you would understand the reasoning behind my statements. God exists I believe as do all of the Christian faiths believe. God gave us free will to accept or reject his teachings. If you choose to reject them that is your free will, just like believing in many gods. But that is not what or how the bible teaches, so yes I do believe the bible.
Someone long ago far wiser than myself once said, "when in doubt, doubt the doubt".

Ah, but there's the rub. Why do you assume I haven't read or studied the Bible? Fact is I have spent many hours in classes at the two churches I attended in my youth in Bible study courses. I just reached a different conclusion than you did. Please don't make assumptions about my background just because I disagree with you.

As for your "When in doubt" quote, I don't think I like that one either. It seems to be saying to me, "If you already believe in something, don't question it". That doesn't seem wise to me at all.

OK, I accept where you are coming from. But wouldn't it have been easier to simply state that you were raised in church but have since decided that religion is not for you as the church teaches it? Instead of getting into a now 6 part discussion with me.
We disagree and will continue to disagree on the Bible and God.
Thanks for the discussion.

No, because my being raised in church and simply disagreeing with you does not impact the falsehood of your assertion:

"What a contradiction of statements here.
First you say "I happen to believe the bible is just one of many "game plans " (religions) for the human race to segregate."
Then you say "That inner voice you hear is God. " ... Either you believe in God and the Bible as the inspired word of God or you don't.

I have shown that based on your own holy book, Job had no knowledge of Christianity or the Scriptures as we know them, yet felt a connection with God. You claimed that you can't know God unless you know the Bible as well, and by the Bible's own stories, that is intellectually dishonest. I know a lot of Christians who would be surprised to learn that they aren't Christians because they don't believe the entirety of the Bible.

And if you give that impression to the person who asked the question, it might cause them to turn away from Christianity if they feel that there is no room for them. There are some sects and denominations who consider themselves Christian that also don't condemn homosexuality. It is this person's right to know that. I didn't come here to fight you, I came here to help someone.

What a contradiction of statements here.
First you say "I happen to believe the bible is just one of many "game plans " (religions) for the human race to segregate."
Then you say "That inner voice you hear is God. "
So what is it that you believe in? God or yourself?
You cannot follow two masters. Either you believe in God and the Bible as the inspired word of God or you don't. There is no in between ground on this subject.

I was waiting on you to jump in. What contradiction? I said the bible was one of the game plans, I didn't say it was MY game plan. I certainly do believe the inner voice is God. I believe God is in the awareness, the observer of my form and mind. I never said I wasGod, I said God was within me. It's very comforting to know that God is with me on this journey. Guess what? He is in you too. Let go of all that dogma long enough to recognize him.:)

Geckobellie
That is your opinion.
It most certainly is not mine.
To me and many others homosexual activity is a filthy, repulsive practice.

To a Christian, and remember we are under the Christianity threads, the bible is the main game plan. And expect to a few fringe groups it is the main and really only plan. Some groups may have other written material explaining their view points ( most do actually) but the bible is the main plan.

And for a Christian it is the only plan that leads to salvation, there are 100's of other plans but none that save. This is the Christian view point.

Now some groups have come to accept homosexuality as permitted in the last 50 years or so. Sadly I would say this is merely their wanting the donation dollar and preaching what people want to hear more than being bibical. There is no way you can take the bible and show that homosexuality is not a sin, now it is no worst sin or no better sin than others, it is just a sin. And I am talking about the acts, the lifestyle, not any personal feelings. A man may want to have sex with every women he meets, this is also a sin and is not allowed
Sin is not what we want or how we feel or if man thinks it should be or should not be, it is the written word of God. Those that try and make it say it is not a sin, merely play with words to even a layman it is obvoius.
So to have feelings, no we all have temptations of some sort, it is the actions we do that show where are hearts are at.

Just calling on Christ and even calling him Lord does not really make you a Christian, it may by the government rules in the US, but even the bible tells us that many who call him Lord he will not know.
We are known in our actions and in our lifes we live.

But to me, I personally condemn and consider those groups that do not follow the bible as not really Christian, the ECUSA for me has long ago left the Christian faith and it has for many of its members who leave by the 1000's each year.

I was waiting on you to jump in. What contradiction? I said the bible was one of the game plans, I didn't say it was MY game plan. I certainly do believe the inner voice is God. I believe God is in the awareness, the observer of my form and mind. I never said I wasGod, I said God was within me. It's very comforting to know that God is with me on this journey. Guess what? He is in you too. Let go of all that dogma long enough to recognize him.:)

And the debate rages on over what the Bible says or does not say or how people interpret it. Guess it will all be answered on judgment day for those that believe.

Fr_Chuck, and 450donn.
I agree.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

And the debate rages on over what the Bible says or does not say or how people interpret it. Guess it will all be answered on judgment day for those that believe.

Just so you know, you don't have to wait until judgment day to be with God. Every minute is judgment day. It's not a then, it's a now.

To me and many others homosexual activity is a filthy, repulsive practice.And yet your priests engage in it with innocent children.

And yet your priests engage in it with innocent children.

Somehow I very much doubt that you intended to equate homosexuality and pedophilia.

Sin is not what we want or how we feel or if man thinks it should be or should not be, it is the written word of God. Those that try and make it say it is not a sin, merely play with words to even a layman it is obvoius.

Personally, I'm not trying to twist it to say what I want it to say. I just dis-regard it all together. The bible is not my idol.


So to have feelings, no we all have temptations of some sort, it is the actions we do that show where are hearts are at.

Are you gay? I think it is more that what they think, it's what they are. Until you are gay and have that temptation you can't judge.

Just calling on Christ and even calling him Lord does not really make you a Christian, it may by the government rules in the US, but even the bible tells us that many who call him Lord he will not know.
We are known in our actions and in our lifes we live.

What has government rules got to do with anything? I'm confused.

But to me, I personally condemn and consider those groups that do not follow the bible as not really Christian, the ECUSA for me has long ago left the Christian faith and it has for many of its members who leave by the 1000's each year.[/QUOTE]

Could it be that the thousands are becoming more enlightened.?

Somehow I very much doubt that you intended to equate homosexuality and pedophilia.No, it was a very unfortunate combination of the two that happened (and may still be happening) in the churches.

No, it was a very unfortunate combination of the two that happened (and may still be happening) in the churches.

Yup.

cozyk
Thanks for your opinion on that.
I do believe there will be a judgment day with Jesus as the judge.
The days we love now and how we live them contribute to that judgment.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

The 1000's leaving the church are getting enlightened, they are leaving the very liberal church for that of one with moral values.

Fr_Chuck,
Thank God for those who go and move to the moral Church.
I just wish and hope that the small percentage of ultra liberals in it who support pro-choice and same sex marriage would become moral.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Repentance is the same for the liberal, as the intolerant. We each are responsible for our own life.

Repentance is the same for the liberal, as the intolerant. We each are responsible for our own life.


And the sins are the same, some merey wish not to admit activities they like are the sin.

Because that is what the bible says. You choice to believe it or not. There is but one true God There are not many gods like the Romans or the Greeks or even the Egyptians believed. What I am reading from your comments is that you believe in an inner god (many gods) because if as you are trying to say were true, then your inner god would not be big enough for me too, so I would have to have my own inner god. If you are truly seeking the face of God, then a study of the bible would help you understand that there is but ONE TRUE GOD not many.

Do you not believe that the one true God is big, mighty, and powerful enough to be the inner God to every soul on earth. I think he is powerful enough to spread himself around and still give you his undivided attention. So yes, you have your own inner God too. That is my idea of the "One True God".

Please describe your idea of the one true God. Is he actually sitting on a throne and over seeing the goings on down here. Does he have a score card for everyone, where he makes his judgments? People are offering up prayers and he is making decisions on how to answer them?
I'm really curious about how people that have such a "flesh like" idea of God really perceive him. Please share with us your perception.

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Chuck, not long after I posted that, I realized I had understood your last statement to be saying the opposite of what I initially thought it meant. Does that make sense?:confused:

talaniman.
Very true.
We all ARE responsible for what we do.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

God says it's wrong. Do you think it's wrong? If you do, stop doing it, ask for forgiveness, and don't do it again. Then you'll be fine. If you don't think it's wrong, then how can you ever repent for something you and God disagree on?

nike 1,
Good question,
Fred

Your sins are between you, and your God, not your neighbor. Who cares what the neighbors think?

Donn, I am truly curious what your mental image of God looks like.
Actually, this goes out to anyone and everyone. I don't have an image because I feel it goes beyond physical properties. It's more of a state of consciousness.

talaniman,
I agree.
NK.

CozyK.
I think the image of God we are created in id NOT a physical one for God is a spirit.
Although we do have a God created spirit we also have other attributes that God has such as the ability to imagine, image things created things, love, and have other emotions.
We also have the ability to create life though we do it through procreation whilr God id the author of life.
Before He was begotten a man through the womb of Mary Jesus was also a spirit called The Word of God.
That is the way I see it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Don't worry, be happy may not "save" you, but do any of us need saving? The Creator put us here with choices such as not murdering. Yet are those who commit murder punished by God? If death is not something to fear, but a ticket to be with God, then people like Hitler are to be thanked.

Sexuality is as natural as eating. Choosing not to harm one another is more sensible than rape. But desiring those of your own sex is not a "sin." If you choose to feel guilty about it, okay. If someone causes fear for you because of the way the Creator made you, well, that doesn't seem sensible to me.

The Bible, or making judgements based on what is written there is legal. Being homosexual is legal too. I don't see the sense in telling you that you are "wrong" and must repent to fit my idea of what you "should" be. If certain Christians have their way, the legality of what other consenting adult a person sleeps with will be put to a vote. This vote will exclude those who would vote nay because they are wrong.

simoneaugie.
It is not a matter of vote about what the bible says.
If the bible says it is wrong, then as far as I'm concerned it is wrong.
But for homosexual activities long before I knew what the bible says or does not say about that I believed it was wrong because it is so very repugnant.
I know nice people who are gay and I like them but not what they sexually do.

arcura:

I don't know that personal taste should be a factor in predetermining right and wrong. I have always believed that grapefruit are repugnant. Should I preform an idea of what God thinks about grapefruit based on that?

In any case, can we all agree that grapefruit are an affront to God?

Don't worry, be happy may not "save" you, but do any of us need saving? The Creator put us here with choices such as not murdering. Yet are those who commit murder punished by God? If death is not something to fear, but a ticket to be with God, then people like Hitler are to be thanked.Since Thou shalt not commit murder is one of the ten commandments I guess Hitler will answer for that come Judgment day!

Sexuality is as natural as eating. Choosing not to harm one another is more sensible than rape. But desiring those of your own sex is not a "sin." If you choose to feel guilty about it, okay. If someone causes fear for you because of the way the Creator made you, well, that doesn't seem sensible to me.Again. not according to the binble. And since this is a Christian board the discussions center around the bible and what it says, not your opinion.

The Bible, or making judgements based on what is written there is legal. Being homosexual is legal too. Only according to the laws of man, not GOD!I don't see the sense in telling you that you are "wrong" and must repent to fit my idea of what you "should" be. If certain Christians have their way, the legality of what other consenting adult a person sleeps with will be put to a vote. This vote will exclude those who would vote nay because they are wrong.[COLOR="Red"Nope! Would never be put to a vote. It would be judged according to what the Bible says is right or wrong. Two people of the same gender having sex is wrong according to the bible. There is no different interpretation to that it is wrong. If you choose to engage in homosexual practices that is your right as an individual to choose that path. God gave you free will after all. But if you are feeling guilty for those actions please do not try and prevert what the scriptures say to make yourself feel better about your sin.
Argument's rage constantly throughout the church. The church has proven itself to not be totally accurate throughout the ages. The crusades are a good example. Most of the doctrinal problems in the church of Jesus Christ have come about because man has tried to inject his laws and rules into the word. Does not work that way. If man would live by the word of God, thinking of the Bible as an operators manual for us, things would not be where they are today. And many of the problems throughout history would likely never have occurred.

JSingle911,
It is what the bible says about that.
Homosexual acts are sinful.

The church has proven itself to not be totally accurate throughout the ages.

The church has proven itself??? Isn't that like letting the fox guard the hen house?

cozyk,
No it is not.
The Church is full of human beings who make mistakes.
Jesus knew that when He established Hid Church, but He went right ahead and did it anyway.
I think Jesus knew what He was doing.
If I was as wise as God I would know the answer of why Jesus did as He did.
But, obviously, I am not.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

My opinion, whether on the Christian board or somewhere else is just that. An opinion directed towards that which the OP originally asked should only appear on this board if it supports Christianity?

That's the point of answering with opinions. If you can answer without your own opinions entering into your thoughts, including how you feel about the validity of the bible, let's hear it.

My opinion, whether on the Christian board or somewhere else is just that. An opinion directed towards that which the OP originally asked should only appear on this board if it supports Christianity?

Correct.


That's the point of answering with opinions. If you can answer without your own opinions entering into your thoughts, including how you feel about the validity of the bible, let's hear it.

Not too long ago, a Christian couldn't get a word in edgewise in this Christian forum. People writing in with questions about Christ and Christianity were belittled and derided by atheists and anti-christians. It got so bad that the atheists were calling the Christians on this Christian forum, "trolls". If that makes any sense.

That is why the moderators decided that atheists and anti-Christians who want to debate Christianity are now supposed to do so in the Religious discussion forum. So that those who want Christian answers may obtain them here in peace.

This board is for Christians and people seeking Christian answers. The board moderators have decided that those who wish to challenge Christianity may do so on the Religious discussion board.

De Maria,
I'm very glad that the moderators did that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

De Maria,
I'm very glad that the moderators did that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Me, too.

Yes, this was the reason, while we try and allow discussion to a point on Christianity, the discussion boards were allowed for a more free exchange, but even there limits exist. Personal attacks, which normally happen when they cut and paste parts of a post and attack each word, or start name calling.
Most discussions start crossing lines by page 8 or 9 normally.

But yes, anti christian posts on the christian board, anti muslim posts on the Islam board,
It is no difference than perhaps someone going on the legal board and giving totally wrong advice, If someone is asking about a christian opinion, then a Islam opinion is not correct there. And so on.

Maybe you should have a stickie saying "Christians only, no one else is welcome or wanted!"

Sorry they tried that with water fountains, way back in the day!

Curious? If everybody believes the same and thinks the same what is the point and how do we learn other possibilities? It would just be a board of christians slapping each other on the back saying, yep, yep, me too, yep, yep. If you believe something very strongly in your heart and soul, then any opposition would be welcome. I invite people to poke holes in my beliefs. It makes me really examine and possibly incorporate some new ideas.

Sorry but the Christianity board was so bad, non christians and others wanting nothing but to attack christians ( trolls) did nothing but attack any question or post of a christian giving a answer. A board was set up for a more free exchange but even there, limits still exist.

If you go to the legal board you expect a answer that deals with the legal part of a question, not a moral rant, and if you start a moral rant there, it is deleted.

If you go to the auto board, a poster who rants on the evil of gasoline engires would be soon banned.

A person who asked about this or that view point from a christian, gets the same respect and same protection to get just that.

Curious? If everybody believes the same and thinks the same what is the point and how do we learn other possibilities? It would just be a board of christians slapping each other on the back saying, yep, yep, me too, yep, yep. If you believe something very strongly in your heart and soul, then any opposition would be welcome. I invite people to poke holes in my beliefs. It makes me really examine and possibly incorporate some new ideas.

If you hadn't noticed, this isn't a debate board, but an information board. People come here expecting to get answers in any number of subjects. This is the Christian section of that board and people who post their questions here are expecting Christian answers. Not anti-Christian answers.

There is a discussion section on this website where you can debate to your hearts content. Why don't you go there? Or do you simply want to pounce on unsuspecting people who are trying to get answers, never suspecting that they are going to be attacked for their beliefs?

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Seems all people want to do is cry poor me