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rd68
Jun 13, 2006, 02:05 AM
I have a 86 mustang lx 4 cil. Engine and it keeps overheating I've replaced belts radiator cap and thermostat I've flushed the radiator and checked for leaks around the thermostat houseing and water pump but found nothing.Does anyone have a clue of what's going on.Or what I should check for next.

Vandy-1
Jun 15, 2006, 01:03 AM
If your belt is not slipping and there are no leaks and the system can
Build up pressure than the only other thing to check would be the fan.
Check that the blades are not loose or damaged and if you have a fan clutch
Ensure it is engaging.

educatedhorse_2005
Jun 15, 2006, 03:37 AM
Maybe your water pump is going bad.
They are cheap and if you can do the work.
Just change it out and see if it solves your problem.

rd68
Jun 15, 2006, 04:39 AM
If your belt is not slipping and there are no leaks and the system can
build up pressure than the only other thing to check would be the fan.
Check that the blades are not loose or damaged and if you have a fan clutch
ensure it is engaging.
Thanks for your reply?All belts are tight and my fan comes on but I haven't checked it to be loose or damaged I'll do that.

rd68
Jun 15, 2006, 04:41 AM
Maybe your water pump is going bad.
They are cheap and if you can do the work.
Just change it out and see if it solves your problem.I checked the water pump but didn't see any leaks.Thanks for your reply.

Dr D
Jun 15, 2006, 10:00 AM
Check your ignition timing. If it is too far advanced it could cause overheating. Check your lower readiator hose when cold to see if you can collapse it by hand. There is usually a coiled wire in the hose to keep it from collapsing because of the suction of the water pump. If that wire rots away, it could allow a restriction in that hose. Check the front of your radiator for a buld up of crud that might restrict air flow through it. This build up of crud can be especially hard to spot in cars with AC, because the AC condenser sits in front of the radiator, and you can't even see the front of the radiator. I have seen instances where a plastic bag was stuck between the condenser and radiator. Obviously you have checked your water for the presence of oil (usually a white froth) that would indicate a blown head gasket. Good luck.

rd68
Jun 15, 2006, 10:11 AM
Thanks I'll try those things.

educatedhorse_2005
Jun 15, 2006, 05:59 PM
Even if it is not leaking doesn't mean it not going bad

v-star
Jun 16, 2006, 05:21 PM
1986, when it starts to over heat try turning on the heater blower on high and see if this cool thing down a bit if it does, sounds like you have a rad problem even though you have flushed it is still could be plugged and not letting enough coolant though the tubes, take it out and take it to rad shop and check the core

shunned
Jun 17, 2006, 07:30 AM
Also, if your radiator fan is thermostatically controlled (goes on and off at idle)
Your thermostat that controls the fan may be bad.

rd68
Jun 17, 2006, 08:51 AM
I've flushed it once more but still bad circulation.the bottom coolant tube seems like the springs are bad I'll check them.and the fan comes on as soon as the car is started and stays on.

Dr D
Jun 17, 2006, 09:42 AM
One simple thing that could be the culprit is a stuck thermostat that would prevent the coolant flow from the engine to the radiator. If you don't wish to just replace it, you can check its functioning easily. Remove it from the vehicle and suspend it in a pot of water, so it does not rest on the bottom. Put it on the stove and check the water temp. You should be able to see it open when the temp approaches the specified temp of the thermostat 160, 180, etc. You can also check the function of a thermostatic fan clutch easily. Sart the car and allow it to warm up. As it heats up, you should be able to hear and feel an increase in air flow.

rd68
Jun 17, 2006, 10:03 AM
I took my thermostat out and my fan starts as soon as the car is started and doesn't go off until I cut the car off.

Dr D
Jun 17, 2006, 10:43 AM
I am assuming that you don't have an electric fan but have one at the end of your water pump. A thermostatic fan clutch will turn the fan at all times but with so much slipage that it won't move much air. As it heats up the slipage will diminish until you have positive engagement of the fan.

rd68
Jun 17, 2006, 11:00 AM
So what should I do about the fan?Or is there anything I can do?

Dr D
Jun 17, 2006, 11:17 AM
If your car has a fan clutch, and it is indeed bad, you should replace it. If the auto parts store offers a standard fan clutch and a "heavy duty" model, spend the extra money on the better one. One from the dealer will probably cost much more. I have seen some people remove the clutch altogether and replace it with a spacer to keep the fan in its original location. With that setup the fan will always be engaged. That may affect your gas mileage and may put more stress on the water pump bearings. Do not let someone talk you into putting on a "flex-fan". I have read of those things flying apart and causing injury to people.

rd68
Jun 17, 2006, 11:33 AM
I'll go to the parts house now to get one.and yes the flex fans can hurt you my brother has a scar where one flew off and bit him on the head.

rd68
Jun 18, 2006, 05:46 AM
My brother-in-law restores old 70's cars and I asked him about my overheating problem and he told me basically the samethings you people have told me.Then as we were talking I rememberd after I put a new heater core in the car started overheating he sayed for me to unhook the heater core and see if that solves the problem or either that or I hooked my heater core hoses up the wrong way what do you think.

Dr D
Jun 19, 2006, 08:53 AM
There is no way that an improperly hooked up heater core would cause an overheating problem. It is just a tiny radiator (heay exchanger) that removes some heat from the engine and puts it into the passenger compartment. You can bypass the heater core altogether, with no affect. When you replaced the radiator, are you sure that it was the same as the old one (same number of rows)? Did you perhaps leave off some of the fan shrouds? With the engine running and the radiator cap off, can you see water flow from the horizontal cooling tubes? It seems like you have covered all the bases. I am stumped. Maybe one of the other members will get an epiphany in the dead of night.

Correction: I just noticed that you DID NOT replace the radiator. You might consider removing it and have it rodded by a radiator shop to remove any crud from the cooling tubes, or just buy a new radiator.

rd68
Jun 19, 2006, 09:28 AM
There is no way that an improperly hooked up heater core would cause an overheating problem. It is just a tiny radiator (heay exchanger) that removes some heat from the engine and puts it into the passenger compartment. You can bypass the heater core altogether, with no affect. When you replaced the radiator, are you sure that it was the same as the old one (same number of rows)? Did you perhaps leave off some of the fan shrouds? With the engine running and the radiator cap off, can you see water flow from the horizontal cooling tubes? It seems like you have covered all the bases. I am stumped. Maybe one of the other members will get an epiphany in the dead of night.

Correction: I just noticed that you DID NOT replace the radiator. You might consider removing it and have it rodded by a radiator shop to remove any crud from the cooling tubes, or just buy a new radiator.I'm going to blow the radiator out bugs and wantnot I just replaced the water pump this morning and the little fan was corroded and I found two pinched tubes one going from the water pump to the heat core and another from the themostat housing to the heat core so I replaced them.now I've found that when I took my lower radiator hose off the coil spring inside was rusty and broken off so I'm going to buy another.

rd68
Jun 19, 2006, 02:38 PM
Ok this is what I've done so far.I have replaced the water pump,Lower radiator hose,two hoses that connects to the heater core,a little one that connects to the water pump,replaced radiator cap,flushed it four times,put new anti-freeze in,I even bypassed the heater core hoses.and it still over heats I was told that if I put the thermostat back in it will stop cause some cars require a thermostat to where it won't overheat. Anyone have any other suggestions? I'm getting tiered of sinking money into this problem.

Dr D
Jun 20, 2006, 10:49 AM
Since you have done everything else imaginable, the only thing left is the radiator itself. Considering the age of the car, there is a good chance that the horizontal tubes on the lower part of the radiator may be plugged. A Radiator shop will remove the side tanks and shove a rod through the tubes to remove obstructions. Weighing what a shop might charge, you might be better off with a new radiator. I put in a call to Auto Zone and got a price of about $113 for standard and $200 for "max cool". Wishing you a speedy and successful conclusion to this ordeal.

rd68
Jun 20, 2006, 07:49 PM
Thanks.But that's the route I didn't want to go but I guess I have no choice.And once again thanks.

rd68
Jun 23, 2006, 10:21 AM
I've replaced the radiator with a brand new one and still the temp gauge is reading hot.I'm beginning to think it isn't in my engine I'm thinking it's mabe my cooling temp. sending unit.makeing my temp.gauge read hot.Is this possible?

Dr D
Jun 23, 2006, 06:56 PM
I must commend you for your determination in seeking the solution to a problem. Yes, it is possible for a gauge to fail or for a sending unit to go bad. Did you have other symptoms of overheating other than the gauge reading? These would include boiling over or the crackeling sounds of a very hot engine cooling when shut off. You have done everything under the sun to cure the problem, much of it prompted by advice offered on this forum by myself and others. If, it turns out to be just a faulty gauge/sending unit, you have my most sincere apology for failing to mention that possibility. We all just try to help. Wishing you the best.

rd68
Jun 23, 2006, 07:55 PM
Thanks for your commendation and I have had no other problems with overheating other than the gauge reading no boiling over or being hot.Thats OK if you forgot about the sending unit I forgot about it until yesterday, So again thanks very much for your and all the others for the help.

rd68
Jun 25, 2006, 05:37 AM
Ok.I replaced my cooling temp gauge and the gauge still reads hot could it be the cooling sending unit switch.Now I checked at auto zone and it controls the flow of the radiator and gauge.But the guy their said that the temp gauge and the switch do the same thing.But the switch cost 45.00 and the unit costed 4.86.Should I buy the switch or is the guy trying to get more money from me.

Dr D
Jun 25, 2006, 08:24 AM
The response from the Auto Zone guy confuses me. I don't know how a coolant temp sensor could control the flow to the radiator. A sesor/switch would probably control the on/off for an electric fan, that you don't have. I did a short search of Auto Zone and Checker for a 1984 Mustang 2.3L 1BL non turbo. At AZ I found two coolant temp sensors: Wells SU201 @$18.99, abd a Sontech MTO488 @$16.99. At Checker I found sensors from $26.99 to $38.99. I would remove the old sensor, take it to AZ, and have them find the closest match. This ordeal is probably your punishment for sins committed in a past life. Good luck.

rd68
Jun 25, 2006, 08:43 AM
Don't you think that would be a long trip for me to make just to mach up a part lol.I live in Tn.But I put a new cooling temp. unit in the intake but what is the other for and where does it go.

Dr D
Jun 25, 2006, 09:13 AM
If you had a really fast car, you could make it to AZ in under a day. I just noticed that I screwed up again. I had pulled up an 84 mustang instead of an 86. I went back to the Auto Zone site with correct year and part was the same. I went to their component locator, and they showed driver side, below valve cover, mounted in block. I imagine that your car would only take one sensor, mounted on the intake, or the block. Doesn't this make you just want to go out and buy a horse?

rd68
Jun 25, 2006, 11:33 AM
LOL Yes it does make me want to buy a horse.