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arcura
Oct 28, 2008, 10:14 PM
There are several lesson in the floowing...
Today's Gospel (Lk 13:22-30): Jesus went through towns and villages teaching and making his way to Jerusalem. Someone asked him, «Lord, is it true that few people will be saved?». And Jesus answered, «Do your best to enter by the narrow door, for many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has got up and locked the door, you will stand outside; then you will knock at the door calling: ‘Lord, open to us’. But he will say to you: ‘I do not know where you come from’. Then you will say: ‘We ate and drank with you and you taught in our streets!’. But he will reply: ‘I don't know where you come from. Away from me all you workers of evil’. You will weep and grind your teeth when you see Abraham and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves left outside. Others will sit at table in the kingdom of God, people coming from east and west, from north and south. Some who are among the last will be the first, and others who were first will be last!».
People who ‘We ate and drank with you and you taught in our streets!’ but worked evil will be left out.
People who go to hell will be able to see into heaven.
:confused:Do you see them?:confused:
:confused:What others do you see?:confused:
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred (arcura)

kwena
Oct 29, 2008, 12:11 AM
Phiwe says that the dimensions of the room are (1,5 + 1,4 + 1) x (0,4 + 0,5 + 0,8) = 3,9 x 1,7 = 6,63 cm2 .

He also says that the size of the old space in which the cupboard stood is 0,9 x 2,4 = 2,16 and the new cupboard is 1,5 x 80 = 120, which is a much bigger area, so the cupboard will definitely not fit.

Explain what he has done wrong. Find the actual dimensions (length and breadth) of the room as well as the actual size of the space (length and breadth) into which the cupboard has to fit. Do not attempt to find area.

1. Summarise briefly what you think happened in this situation.
2. Determine the main cause/s and who or what was responsible, and the possible consequences.
3. Provide a possible action to correct the situation, and/or provide a possible action to prevent such as situation happening in future.

Choux
Oct 29, 2008, 01:26 PM
When a person is a student of spirituality and they learn all the history and value of being a wise and godly person from their teacher, that is not enough... a person must live spiritual values in *all areas* of life.

That is why the door is narrow... it is very difficult to upgrade oneself to be a person of high spiritual value, not ruled by the negative, such as greed, hypocrisy, cruelty to women and children, anger, and all the other negative personality traits.

revdrgade
Oct 29, 2008, 04:48 PM
Scarey, isn't it?

But then Jesus was talking to self-righteous people and the only thing that breaks the thick shell of self-righteousness is the condemnation of the law. The goal of Jesus is always the same with all people; namely, that they get salvation through His blood sacrifice for their sins.

Self-righteousness is acquired by looking at the law through a veil, a veil which doesn't see our own sins but sees only our tacit good and how much better we are than others. But salvation is totally dependent on our trust in God and nothing good of ourselves.

Luke 17:10
10 So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, 'We are unworthy servants ; we have only done our duty.'"
NIV

God's bottom line of "sine qua non" is perfection.

But many of those who call themselves Christians are content to do works of their own flesh instead of giving their lives to God and seeking His will for their lives each day. This message is for them ONLY. Christians already know that the road is rough... but the Lord our savior will bring us through to His promise of eternal life with Him.

John 16:33

33 "I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."
NIV


That is the sermon I see in this lesson.

arcura
Oct 29, 2008, 07:26 PM
revdrgade,
Thanks for you offering on that.
But what about those who do good works because if their faith and that Jesus wants them to do that.
Granted, doing good works alone will not save a person particularly if they are unfaithful.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

revdrgade
Oct 30, 2008, 02:03 PM
revdrgade,
But what about those who do good works because if their faith and that Jesus wants them to do that.
Granted, doing good works alone will not save a person particularly if they are unfaithful.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

The good works done in faith and obedience to God will always meet with favor from God.

What I believe Jesus was talking about were "works of the flesh". These works, which many followers ofGod do sometimes , are not always what we would call "evil". They are often "good" things which we do. What gets them out of the realm of "good works" is that they are prompted and done from our flesh instead of faith centered in God's revealed will, prompted by God and empowered by God:

Rom 14:22-23
22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God; happy is he who has no reason to judge himself for what he approves. 23 But he who has doubts is condemned, if he eats, because he does not act from faith; for whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. RSV

An example would be Moses when he sought to protect a fellow Hebrew by killing an Egyptian. That little slip-up caused Moses to hide for the next 40 years in the desert as a shepherd of sheep instead of leading people out of slavery.

Cain offered a real sacrifice to God... but not from faith.
OR, even scarier:
2 Sam 6:6-7

6 When they came to the threshing floor of Nacon, Uzzah reached out and took hold of the ark of God, because the oxen stumbled. 7 The Lord's anger burned against Uzzah because of his irreverent act; therefore God struck him down and he died there beside the ark of God.
NIV

To me the message is for us to discover what the will of God is before we act on His behalf. The men in the parable seem to be choosing to please God with works that are primarily pleasing to themselves.

arcura
Oct 30, 2008, 02:18 PM
revdrgade ,
Thanks for your explanation.
Fred