OK all you Obama supporters, tell us why you’re voting for Obama. What proposal of his is going to benefit you, your family, your neighbor, your job, the economy, your country, the world? Specifics please.

My wife has cancer 12 years ago. Insurance companies will no longer cover her because she is not profitable. There are some high risk pools that will insure her, but at $1700 per month which we can't afford.

Barrak Obama is proposing to eliminate the pre-existing condition insurance companies use to deny coverage and he may (I don't trust either of the parties completely when they get to into power, but we'll see) help make it affordable for us to get coverage. John McCain's proposal for health care does not address pre-existing conditions.

That is primarily why we are voting for Obama; without getting into all the BS talking points of both parties.

This in part, is why I already early voted for Barack Obama.


1. Without my wife's full time income, personally my family benefits categorically from Barack Obama's tax policy breakdown. The link below also provides a graph.

How McCain and Obama will change your tax bill - Jun. 11, 2008 (http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm)

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- John McCain and Barack Obama have starkly different philosophies about tax policy - how to raise the revenue needed to support government programs, spur growth and ensure economic fairness.

But voters really want to know one thing: How would the presidential candidates' views trickle down to their tax bills? A report released Wednesday by a nonpartisan policy group in Washington, D.C., takes a big first step toward answering that question.

According to the Tax Policy Center's findings, the common assumptions most people make about the plans of McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, and Obama, the Democrats' pick, are not wildly off-base.

McCain: The average taxpayer in every income group would see a lower tax bill, but high-income taxpayers would benefit more than everyone else.

Obama: High-income taxpayers would pay more in taxes, while everyone else's tax bill would be reduced. Those who benefit the most - in terms of reducing their taxes as a percentage of after-tax income - are in the lowest income groups.

Under both plans, all American taxpayers could pay a price for their tax cuts: a bigger deficit. The Tax Policy Center estimates that over 10 years, McCain's tax proposals could increase the national debt by as much as $4.5 trillion with interest, while Obama's could add as much as $3.3 trillion.

The reason: neither plan would raise the amount of revenue expected under current tax policy - which assumes all the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts expire by 2011. And neither plan would raise enough to cover expected government costs during those 10 years.

"Distributionally, they're markedly different. But in terms of their impact on revenue, the two plans are not terribly different," said Roberton Williams, principal research associate at the Tax Policy Center and the former deputy assistant director for tax analysis at the Congressional Budget Office.

A closer look

In addition to making the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts permanent, McCain says he would double the exemption for dependents, lower the corporate tax rate, make expensing rules more generous for small businesses and lessen the bite of the estate tax and Alternative Minimum tax.

The net result: compared with their tax bill today, taxpayers on average would see their tax bill cut by nearly $1,200. That means their after-tax income would rise by 2%.

But those in the lowest income groups would only see their after-tax income rise by less than 1% (or between $19 and $319). By contrast, the highest-income households - those with incomes of at least $603,000 - would see a boost in after-tax income of 3.4%, or more than $40,000.

Obama's plan would keep the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts in place for everyone except those making more than roughly $250,000, and he would increase the capital gains tax.

Obama would also introduce new tax breaks for lower and middle-income groups. Such breaks include expanding the earned income tax credit, giving those making less than $150,000 a $500 tax credit per person on the first $8,100 in income, giving those making under $75,000 a 50% federal match on the first $1,000 of savings, and exempting seniors making less than $50,000 from having to pay income tax.

Like McCain, Obama would lessen the bite of the estate tax and the Alternative Minimum Tax, but to a lesser degree.

The net result: compared with their tax bill today, taxpayers on average would see their tax bill cut by nearly $160 under Obama's plan. That means their after-tax income would rise by 0.3%.

But those in the lowest-income groups would enjoy the biggest after-tax income rise as a percentage of income - between 2.4% and 5.5% (worth between $567 and $1,042). By contrast, the highest-income households - those with at least $603,000 in income - would see a dramatic decline in their after-tax income - a drop of 8.7%, or $116,000.

The campaigns respond

Jason Furman, a newly appointed senior economic adviser to Obama, said his preliminary response is that the report's findings bear out what Obama's campaign has been saying: that he's for the middle class.

"Middle-class families get tax cuts that are three times larger from Obama than from McCain," Furman said. "And the McCain plan gives nearly one-quarter of its benefits to households making more than $2.8 million annually - the top 0.1%."

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, senior economic adviser to McCain, noted that the report does not take into account the spending reforms - such as eliminating earmarks - that are central to McCain's strategy to support tax relief and help reduce the deficit.

One of the center's co-directors, William Gale, conceded in a conference call that "if McCain succeeds (in achieving his proposed spending cuts), the fiscal cost of his plan does go down."

But spending cuts can be politically difficult to achieve, said Len Burman, the Tax Policy Center's director.

Holtz-Eakin characterized McCain's plan as one geared toward "reshaping federal bureaucracies and protecting taxpayers' money. [His] plan is based on kicking down doors in Washington, and delivering tax dollars back to the American taxpayers who are struggling with record gas prices, soaring food costs and a down economy."

Not the final word

Williams said the Tax Policy Center analysis should be viewed as a work in progress. Researchers plan to update it as they get more information about the plans from the campaigns and if the candidates introduce new tax policies between now and Election Day.

The center will also incorporate the tax elements of McCain's and Obama's health care proposals when they update their findings.

How the candidates' tax plans would affect economic growth is an open question. "It depends on how the deficits are closed," Burman said.

Tax studies have shown that when tax cuts are deficit funded and they're paid for by raising taxes in the future, "the economy is worse off than if you didn't cut at all," Burman said."


2. The Iraq War and foreign relations. I would had never sent a full scale troop movement into Iraq and neither would had Barack Obama. I'm tired of visiting my second home in SE Asia and seeing scowls on the faces once the natives have figure out that I'm an American. Obama has greater respect and more of a positive perception internationally than other candidiates.

3. Barack Obama demonstrated through a hard fought long primary with Hillary Clinton, and consistently throughout all the debates with McCain, to have the superb temperament of presidential candidate. Of course, which confers the fact that he is highly educated and sets a fine example for the upcoming younger generation. Speaking of education I also like the fact that Obama will reform No Child Left Behind. Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Education (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education/)


4. Insurance. Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Health Care (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/)


"Make Health Insurance Work for People and Businesses - Not Just Insurance and Drug Companies.

*Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions so all Americans regardless of their health status or history can get comprehensive benefits at fair and stable premiums.

*Create a new Small Business Health Tax Credit to help small businesses provide affordable health insurance to their employees.

*Lower costs for businesses by covering a portion of the catastrophic health costs they pay in return for lower premiums for employees.

*Prevent insurers from overcharging doctors for their malpractice insurance and invest in proven strategies to reduce preventable medical errors.

*Make employer contributions more fair by requiring large employers that do not offer coverage or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of their employees health care.

*Establish a National Health Insurance Exchange with a range of private insurance options as well as a new public plan based on benefits available to members of Congress that will allow individuals and small businesses to buy affordable health coverage.

*Ensure everyone who needs it will receive a tax credit for their premiums.

Reduce Costs and Save a Typical American Family up to $2,500 as reforms phase in:

*Lower drug costs by allowing the importation of safe medicines from other developed countries, increasing the use of generic drugs in public programs and taking on drug companies that block cheaper generic medicines from the market

*Require hospitals to collect and report health care cost and quality data

*Reduce the costs of catastrophic illnesses for employers and their employees.

*Reform the insurance market to increase competition by taking on anticompetitive activity that drives up prices without improving quality of care.

*The Obama-Biden plan will promote public health. It will require coverage of preventive services, including cancer screenings, and increase state and local preparedness for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.

A Commitment to Fiscal Responsibility: Barack Obama will pay for his $50 - $65 billion health care reform effort by rolling back the Bush tax cuts for Americans earning more than $250,000 per year and retaining the estate tax at its 2009 level."

5. Pro-Choice. I prefer the window of decision available to raped victims or when the mother's loss of life is at high risk.

6. Barack Obama is extremely family orientated and faithful to his wife. I accept that he will treat the nation under his leadership the same.

7. Barack Obama's energy plan will help create millions of new jobs.

Barack Obama's Energy Plan Will Create MILLIONS Of American Jobs « Let Us Talk (http://letustalk.wordpress.com/2008/09/06/barack-obamas-energy-plan-will-create-millions-of-american-jobs/)

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | New Energy for America (http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/newenergy_more)


Obama specifically wants to address the aging infrastructure in our country that has been too long neglected making way for more new jobs.

Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need | Economy (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/)

Hello Steve:

Well, I'm not a tax and spend guy... But Obama is going to end the war in Iraq, restore the Constitution, close Guantanamo Bay, defeat Al Quaida, end the Wall Street rip off, appoint good Supreme Court judges, maintain our friendship with Israel, end the belligerence we have with the world, and restore our good name.

Is that enough? I have more if you want.

excon

I'm voting for him because I see him as the lesser of two evils. I don't fully agree with a lot of his policies but I feel like they're a step up from mccain's. And his vp choice isn't as bad. I don't like bidden. But I'd pick him over the hockey mom anyday... and with mccain's health being so questionable, I feel like vp is a very important issue with him.
I also feel like obama's lack of experience is a plus. He's not stuck in his ways yet. Going into things without past personal experience can sometimes work out for the better because you go in more willing to learn and try new things. Really, where has all of these experienced presidents of the past gotten us lately? Oh yeah, a war in the middle east, high gas prices, and a shaky economy that's leaving a bunch of people homeless. So much for experience...

I believe in Same Sex Unions having rights ( I have a lot of gay and lesbian friends and family).

I am Pro Choice.

I believe in equal pay for everyone (you know I have a mom a sister an aunt a fiancée and they work harder then anyone I know they deserve to get paid the same as everyone).

I think there are to many people without health insurance in this country.

I don't believe there should be tax breaks for sending an Americans job to India. Even if they are from Palins imaginary "Fake America". (I have family members who lost their jobs because of this.)

I like the idea of using wind and solar energy.

He looks like pure evil and from listening to his speeches it only backs up his looks.

He looks like pure evil and from listening to his speeches it only backs up his looks.

http://startnow72.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/27520racism-posters1.jpg

http://startnow72.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/27520racism-posters1.jpg

Lmao!

lmao!

John McCain supporter under the hood?? :D

Perhaps...

Very likely!

Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists?

Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists?

Because it's factually true, Emland. Although ZoeMarie was being tongue-in-cheek in the following statement it is exactly how racist view Barack Obama. Notice the words' "he looks."


He looks like pure evil and from listening to his speeches it only backs up his looks.

For clarification, I was talking about McCain (that looks like pure evil)

Because it's factually true

It is factually true that those "who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists," so when are y'all going to stop doing that?

It is factually true that those "who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists," so when are y'all going to stop doing that?

Steve, ZoeMarie was being tongue-in-cheek, but to answer your question I'll never stop assaulting racists and I do hope that bothers you. Capisci?

It seems to me the racist card is getting dealt way too much. I blame supporters rather than Obama. If your only defense to a challenge about your candidate's positions is "you're a racist" then you really need to re-evaluate why you are supporting this person.

It seems to me the racist card is getting dealt way too much. I blame supporters rather than Obama. If your only defense to a challenge about your candidate's positions is "you're a racist" then you really need to re-evaluate why you are supporting this person.

Emland, I think we all agree with you in principle that our election should be based on the issues. That's why if you look back in this post Obama, the supporters, including myself, gave plenty of excellent reasons based on legitimate issues. Now unfortunately as diversified as the US is, racism is still prevalent. Where you and I differ though is that I blame uneducated ignoramuses that spouted off that Obama was/is a closet radical Muslim, not a born citizen of the US, a communist, and anti-American. It was the same sort of propaganda drek that fostered hate of six million Jews on their way to an early grave and I'm not the pacifist to let that happened unchecked. My foot never tires of kicking idiot's in their tuchus.

My Grandma called me racist against white people cause I am voting for Obama and I'm white. But the funny part is she is such a yellow dog Dem she is voting for him too or as she says I am voting with my party.

I am getting sick of hearing everyone say well if you don't vote for Obama then you are racist. Just because you don't vote for Obama does not make you racist. Unless you say I am not voting for Obama because he is black, then you're a racist.

My Grandma called me racist against white people cause I am voting for Obama and I'm white. But the funny part is she is such a yellow dog Dem she is voting for him too or as she says I am voting with my party.

I am getting sick of hearing everyone say well if you don't vote for Obama then you are racist. Just because you don't vote for Obama does not make you racist. Unless you say I am not voting for Obama because he is black, then your a racist.

I do agree.

Steve, ZoeMarie was being tongue-in-cheek, but to answer your question I'll never stop assaulting racists and I do hope that bothers you. Capisci?!

Once again you've completely missed the point.

It is factually true that those "who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists," so when are y'all going to stop doing that?

No we don't, and thinking that we do label anyone who doesn't like Obama racist tells me more about you than it does about us. There is no cult, that's in your mind too. As been stated previously, the Republican model of trickle down doesn't work it only benefits the top 5 percent who also take their Bush/Republican extra tax savings and ship American jobs overseas. They invest in places and people outside of America.

If the tax breaks go to the middle class and we restore the Reagan era tax rates to the rich (like Obama proposes), then more money stays in America in the hands of the middle class who will spend it in America.

McCain wants unfettered free markets, but we've seen what happens when we remove regulatory oversite of the free markets; hedge fund managers make 600 million dollars and pay only 15 percent tax. They do this fraudulently by bundling crap with other investments and now it's caught up with them and the Fed has to bail them out with our tax dollars to the tune of One Trillion or more. If that isn't tax relief for the rich, I don't know what is, and all those who profited from the unregulated Bush times go home richer than rich and don't have to pay the tax payers a single dime with the exception of their Bush supplied low tax rates.

Free markets are fine and Obama understands this, but unlike Bush/Republican ideology you can't have your free markets running on greed, corruption and fraud against the American people. If you swing too much to the right you get greed and corruption the same if you swing to far to the left. Obama and the Democrats are centrists who will let the good part of free market work well where it can, and oversee the part of free market that have been abused and led to the worst finanical crisis our country has seen since 1929 under the Bush/Republican/RightWing/Neocon/Conservative ideology.

McCain has no specifics how he will get us out of this mess, because he can't tell the American people that his ideology is the same as Bush's and that it will lead to more of the same. So him and Palin try and distract you with appeals to patriotism and attack Obama when it is McCain/Palin that are the greatest danger to this country because they are so tied to an ideology which doesn't work, America will cease to be the world's economic superpower and the gap between rich and poor will become so extreme that American's will suffer. Yet, this is exactly what Republican business owners want, they don't want to improve the lives of all American's they want cheaper labor so they can make more profit for themselves. Why do you think the minimum wage didn't rise for 10 years under a Republican congress?

I think you need to look at the issues, at least Obama supporters do. All you can do is accuse us of calling you racist. Yet, each any every Obama supporter I have met know the issues much more than you do.

I think you've been drinking the kool-aid of the right wing radio programs too much.

Once again you've completely missed the point.


I've read your posts. I could get more illumination out a key-chain flashlight. ;)

Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists?

Because it is a good way to shut you up. Evil doesn't like to be drawn out into the light where it knows it will die.

Imagine that :

If you don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda

You are a racist .

I love the depth of that logic .The depth of... lets say... Spike Lee




SPIKE LEE: I say, it's very simple. You have B.B.: Before Barack and A.B.: After Barack.
LEE: What he's done is historic. This coalition which he's gotten: black, white, Hispanic, Asian, gay, straight, whatever. It's come together, and this has never been done before. And I think this thing is, predeortained or whatever you want to call it. I'm not gonna say that it's God. But this is not a mistake this is happening now. I don't think it's a mistake it's happening, that he's here when this country is at its lowest in many, many years.


http://www.mofopolitics.com/2008/10/28/video-spike-lee-says-obama-preordained/

No we don't, and thinking that we do label anyone who doesn't like Obama racist tells me more about you than it does about us. There is no cult, that's in your mind too. As been stated previously, the Republican model of trickle down doesn't work it only benefits the top 5 percent who also take their Bush/Republican extra tax savings and ship American jobs overseas. They invest in places and people outside of America.

Tex, think of my answer in the context of what and who I actually replied to. Bobby said it was “factually true” in response to Emland’s question, “Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists?” What the heck is someone supposed to say to something as outrageous and nonsensical as that?


If the tax breaks go to the middle class and we restore the Reagan era tax rates to the rich (like Obama proposes), then more money stays in America in the hands of the middle class who will spend it in America.

You’re assuming Obama is going to actually give the middle class a tax break. I don’t trust ANY politician when it comes to taxes, especially one with plans for a trillion dollars in new spending that wants to give tax breaks to people that pay no taxes.


McCain wants unfettered free markets, but we've seen what happens when we remove regulatory oversite of the free markets; hedge fund managers make 600 million dollars and pay only 15 percent tax. They do this fraudulently by bundling crap with other investments and now it's caught up with them and the Fed has to bail them out with our tax dollars to the tune of One Trillion or more. If that isn't tax relief for the rich, I don't know what is, and all those who profited from the unregulated Bush times go home richer than rich and don't have to pay the tax payers a single dime with the exception of their Bush supplied low tax rates.

That’s totally made up, McCain (or any other politician that I know of) has never shown he wants “unfettered free markets.” In fact McCain co-sponsored legislation with Chuck Hagel (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/29/obama-wrote-a-letter/) “that would have required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to adhere to responsible lending practices and loan-to-value standards” while Obama wrote letters.


Free markets are fine and Obama understands this, but unlike Bush/Republican ideology you can't have your free markets running on greed, corruption and fraud against the American people. If you swing too much to the right you get greed and corruption the same if you swing to far to the left. Obama and the Democrats are centrists who will let the good part of free market work well where it can, and oversee the part of free market that have been abused and led to the worst finanical crisis our country has seen since 1929 under the Bush/Republican/RightWing/Neocon/Conservative ideology.

Obama and the Democrats are centrists? Since when? How is the most liberal Senator in the Senate, the guy who “chose his friends very carefully” including Marxist professors, hung out with an unrepentant terrorist, partied with PLO sympathizers, mentored by a racist pastor and votes 100% in line with Planned Parenthood a centrist?


McCain has no specifics how he will get us out of this mess, because he can't tell the American people that his ideology is the same as Bush's and that it will lead to more of the same. So him and Palin try and distract you with appeals to patriotism and attack Obama when it is McCain/Palin that are the greatest danger to this country because they are so tied to an ideology which doesn't work, America will cease to be the world's economic superpower and the gap between rich and poor will become so extreme that American's will suffer. Yet, this is exactly what Republican business owners want, they don't want to improve the lives of all American's they want cheaper labor so they can make more profit for themselves. Why do you think the minimum wage didn't rise for 10 years under a Republican congress?

I think you need to look at the issues, at least Obama supporters do. All you can do is accuse us of calling you racist. Yet, each any every Obama supporter I have met know the issues much more than you do.

I think you've been drinking the kool-aid of the right wing radio programs too much.

I’ve already shown elsewhere on this board that the “income inequality gap" has been closing, that wages don’t remain stagnant, and that the majority of households in America are in the top 3 income quintiles. I not only look at the issues, I look at the facts…and I don’t insult others the first time I interact with them. That says a whole lot more about you than it does us.

If not for the light, there would be no shadow.

Originally Posted by Emland
Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racist?

I am voting for Obama and don't think that everyone that isn't voting for him is racist. But why is it that mostly everyone that isn't voting for him tend to think or say that black people are only voting for him because he is black? That isn't true because I know some that is doing the opposite. So what cult do these people fall under?

White Black Up Down Spam Shrimp

You have to live in the south to experience it I suppose. A conversation gets started at work, for instance, and political views get discussed and one person asks, "so who are you voting for?" If the answer is "McCain" it is not uncommon to hear "so, you admit you're a racist" and if the reply is "Bob Barr", you get "so, you're one of those kooks I hear about."

Tex, think of my answer in the context of what and who I actually replied to. Bobby said it was “factually true” in response to Emland's question, “Why do people who don't fall under the cult of personality of Obama or simply don't agree with his political agenda get labeled as racists?” What the heck is someone supposed to say to something as outrageous and nonsensical as that?


Wrong. That came in subject after Marie's tongue-in-cheek reply and I was using that as an example to Emland's view as a misnomer. In other words, when those individuals say something as ignorant, as Barack is a closet Muslim, he's a communist, and anti-American, it is "factually true" that they are racists. Trying to dismiss racism and their remarks, without being labeled as racist, is a pacifist position that I don't hold to. Those ignorant/prejudice/racists often don't care for Barack's loving personality or agree with him on the issues. Whoop-te-do! It still doesn't make them any less racist.

As for your views in opposition to TexasParent, they are so short of reality. But I'll just touch on a few of your wrongful indiscretions then Texasparent can speak for her/himself. But remember Stevie, I know the truth. You voted for Dubya, not once, but twice in keeping those precious corporate execs bonuses safe. You need to stop crying about taxation when you are your own worse enemy. And don't try to crayfish and back into the middle of the creek acting like you all the sudden don't trust McCain either. That's what you said, "politicians." McCain had twenty-six years of passing gas and fiddle farting around with Washington insiders, while Barack's letters spoke of truer intentions. Let's see what happens when a younger man, Obama, is in the drivers seat. And oh G-d! I see the smear case supporters didn't eat enough crow in that last debate. McCain got slammed over that Bill Ayers nonsense on national TV. Are you suggesting that Barack is a Marxist? Please go there, my foot is itching. BTW nobody spends more time here crusading than you. I know you really think highly of yourself. But I've got news for you! You've insult educated people with your stated posts on a daily basis and for the most part the board just ignores your ego. A decade nearly passed before the minimum wage was increased. The wages paid too much of the lower and middle classes in our nation are not keeping up with the cost of living. Stay out of the liquor cabinet and get a grip.

"That came in subject after Marie's tongue-in-cheek reply and I was using that as an example to Emland's view as a misnomer."

That sounds like something Obama would say. I think these people are in a trance! Something is fishy here.
*SNAP* *SNAP* Snap out of it Bobby!
There's no place like home. There's no place like home.

Nah... I like to keep the Tin Man in check on the way to see Oz. You're correct though it will probably steamroll right over his head.

http://www.beyondtherainbow2oz.com/pic07tin-man.jpg

Wrong.

Bobby, at this point it's useless to try to get you to even see the facts of what you yourself said so have fun in your alternate reality.

I'm aussie but I support him because he's saying that change is needed. It's all true, if we want to be a better community/state/country we have to go through change that will help us become better in the up coming future.
I'm 15 so I don't have a family

Bobby, at this point it's useless to try to get you to even see the facts of what you yourself said so have fun in your alternate reality.

If only your ego would let you get some rest.

If only your ego would let you get some rest.

Now that's funny, you talking about someone else's ego. :D