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Curlyben
Oct 23, 2008, 04:59 AM
Well I wish I could be a VP candidate!!
Sarah Palin's $150,000 makeover
The life of a vice-presidential candidate may be gruelling, but it can also be glamorous - $150,000 glamorous.
BBC NEWS | Americas | Sarah Palin's $150,000 makeover (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7685067.stm)
And some pictures as well..
BBC NEWS | In Pictures | In pictures: Palin's makeover (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7684648.stm)
tickle
Oct 23, 2008, 05:07 AM
I read this in the Toronto Star this AM. I wondered where her style came from as I certainly didn't think it came from Alaska.
excon
Oct 23, 2008, 05:08 AM
Hello ben:
You elitist!
excon
Curlyben
Oct 23, 2008, 05:08 AM
Excon,
Too right.
I want THAT shopping budget!!
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2008, 06:26 AM
Reform! It's costly to reform the government!
tomder55
Oct 23, 2008, 06:30 AM
The Obama Campiagn raised over $150 million in September alone and a $150K expenditure for Sarah Palin's wardrobe is a concern for the MSM? Who pays for Obama's $3000 suits?. or Michelle's designer outfits ? I bet it doesn't come from personal funds.
Meet Maria Pinto, Michelle Obama's Clothing Designer | Guanabee (http://guanabee.com/2008/08/meet-maria-pinto-michelle-obam.php)
I suppose she should travel on the campaign trail wearing Target clothing so the press can mock her as a hick . Maybe she should wear the army green parka that she wore when she was on the cover of Vogue ?
Maybe if she were a multi-millionaire like the Washinton insiders on the campaign trail she would already have the clothing that have become the uniforms of the professional political class. But I guess it was her inexperience that made her unprepared for the proper outfitting of herself and family for a campaign.
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2008, 06:46 AM
Who pays for Obama's $3000 suits?. or Michelle's designer outfits ? I bet it doesn't come from personal funds..
The you would lose the bet:
Obama pays for his own coattails :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Barack Obama (http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1238030,CST-NWS-pside23.article)
"Neither the campaign nor the DNC [Democratic National Committee] has paid for clothing," spokesman Ben LaBolt said Wednesday in response to news reports that the Republican National Committee spent $150,000 on a makeover for Sarah Palin.
Barack Obama, running mate Joe Biden and their wives get no campaign or DNC money for clothes, LaBolt said.
tomder55
Oct 23, 2008, 07:08 AM
Maybe when she has two autobiographies ghost written for her she can afford to pay for her own clothing suitable for the American campaign trail also .
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2008, 07:41 AM
I like smart women, some men are scared of them.
tomder55
Oct 23, 2008, 07:47 AM
More slander and cheap shots at Palin ?
I'll add "stupid" to the list :"Republican blow-up doll," ,"Christian Stepford wife," "Jesus freak," "Caribou Barbie," "a dope," "a fatal cancer to the Republican Party," "liar," "a national disgrace" "her pretense that she is a woman."
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2008, 07:55 AM
more slander and cheap shots at Palin ? Who are you replying to??
excon
Oct 23, 2008, 08:05 AM
more slander and cheap shots at PalinHello tom:
Cheap shot?? I think not. Maybe if she didn't portray herself as a "hockey mom", I could buy it... Maybe if she didn't accuse the OTHER guy of being an elitist, I could buy it...
But, tom. Hockey moms and UN elite people don't shop at Niemans.
The truth is that it's a shot at the RNC who bought the clothes, the campaign who mismanaged her from the git go, and McCain for picking her in the first place.
But, she's doing the best she can under the circumstances... Of course, a REAL leader wouldn't need any handling. What?? IF she can talk about the REAL America, why can't I talk about REAL leaders?
excon
speechlesstx
Oct 23, 2008, 08:50 AM
more slander and cheap shots at Palin ?
I'll add "stupid" to the list :"Republican blow-up doll," ,"Christian Stepford wife," "Jesus freak," "Caribou Barbie," "a dope," "a fatal cancer to the Republican Party," "liar," "a national disgrace" "her pretense that she is a woman."
Add:
"Uncle Woman" -Sandra Bernhard
"Disabled" -Charlie Rangel
"harriet miers with a better a$$" -Rosie O'Donnell
And this (http://www.cafepress.com/votefordem/5956162).
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2008, 08:52 AM
Wow, you guys really hate that woman.
tomder55
Oct 23, 2008, 08:53 AM
Making an issue about the DNC providing her with some clothing that will be donated after the campaign to charity is making a cheap shot.
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2008, 08:54 AM
making an issue about the DNC providing her with some clothing that will be donated after the campaign to charity is making a cheap shot.Seems like a big waste of money for someone whose campaign is based of cutting wasteful spending.
tickle
Oct 23, 2008, 09:18 AM
I have stepped back a bit of finding fault with Palin. I don't know what the circumstances were really of her being selected by McCain; I don't know if she came looking for the job, or what. I feel she will actually live to regret some of the bad speeches, misinformation, etc.
I actually hope she doesn't become you next VP, but I do hope she will be able to go back to her old lifestyle in Alaska.
asking
Oct 23, 2008, 09:28 AM
I like smart women, some men are scared of them.
A lot of women are scared of them too.
speechlesstx
Oct 23, 2008, 09:56 AM
Seems like a big waste of money for someone whose campaign is based of cutting wasteful spending.
At least the RNC was spending some money to get Palin into clothes, unlike Democratic Florida congressman Tim Mahoney - you know, the guy that replaced Mark Foley - paying thousands of dollars to get women out of their clothes.
I can understand why the left would much rather Palin hit the campaign trail in a blaze orange hunting vest and waders after Obama's cover on GQ, Michelle's cover for More (http://nymag.com/daily/fashion/2008/09/fashion_week_means_big_bucks_m.html) at the beginning of Fashion Week, being praised for her Donna Ricco dress (http://concreteloop.com/2008/06/fashion-roundup-michelle-obamas-dress-obama-inspires-versace-us-vogue-on-black-models-wed) on The View, Versace having "dedicated her Spring-Summer 2009 collection to Obama (http://www.theage.com.au/news/fashion/obama-inspires-donatella-versace/2008/06/23/1214073119914.html) and being anointed "fashion’s first lady by Vanity Fair (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2481736/Michelle-Obama-hailed-as-fashions-first-lady-by-Vanity-Fair.html)." I certainly hope Katie Couric dropped her little black dress and pearls (http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2006-08-09-couric_x.htm) when she reported on the story, though.
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2008, 10:01 AM
At least the RNC was spending some money to get Palin into clothes, unlike Democratic Florida congressman Tim Mahoney - you know, the guy that replaced Mark Foley - paying thousands of dollars to get women out of their clothes. Is he running for VP on a platform of eliminating wasteful spending?
tomder55
Oct 23, 2008, 10:02 AM
The difference of course is that they actually paid for the clothing .
Hillary Designer: Palin Spending Strange, Designers Vie to Dress Political Candidates - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/22/cbsnews_investigates/main4539410.shtml)
Democrats get their clothing for free because the designer wants the promo.
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2008, 10:09 AM
Democrats get their clothing for free because the designer wants the promo.Sounds like a good move. Why can't Sarah do such a thing?
speechlesstx
Oct 23, 2008, 10:15 AM
Is he running for VP on a platform of eliminating wasteful spending?
No, he's probably still running for a world "more moral." After all the complaints here about discussing trivial things when there are real issues to discuss, I'd think you'd be more concerned about things besides pantsuits and makeup.
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2008, 10:22 AM
We need to know her characters and values. Who is the real Sarah Palin? This is a question that needs to be explored before an awful mistake is made at the polls.
tomder55
Oct 23, 2008, 10:32 AM
Why can't Sarah do such a thing?
My guess is that she needed the outfits immediately after McCain selected her; and she had to fly down from Alaska with her family to be at the introduction rally . RNC records show they began this as soon as she was announced .
Merris
Oct 23, 2008, 11:03 AM
My guess is that she needed the outfits immediately after McCain selected her; and she had to fly down from Alaska with her family to be at the introduction rally . RNC records show they began this as soon as she was announced .
But wait a second. Aren't these expenditures part and parcel of the excess of our political system that everyone is complaining about here? I don't know how any "fiscal conservative" could defend it. Couldn't that campaign money have been spent for something else... like more robocalls from Giuliani saying that Obama wants to let criminals walk free and that Obama is for teaching sex education to kindergartners? Geesh, guys... use those dollars wisely!
I have respect for the ideals that many espouse here in terms of how they envision the world. But the leaders you are electing don't share your ideals... They aren't fiscally conservative (as the last eight years can attest), they pander to the Christian vote even though they glorify wealth and Jesus wasn't too fond of the wealthy. I'm not sure how people here reconcile voting for someone who "should" be representing their ideals, but fall so dismally short.
tomder55
Oct 23, 2008, 11:17 AM
What are you talking about ? The RNC is a private organization . It is not tax payer funded .
have respect for the ideals that many espouse here in terms of how they envision the world. But the leaders you are electing don't share your ideals... They aren't fiscally conservative (as the last eight years can attest)
That is a fair point. I support McCain because he has attempted to fight government corruption and he is heads and shoulders above the Alinsky Marxist he is running against .But he was nowhere's close to my first choice.
NeedKarma
Oct 23, 2008, 11:19 AM
making an issue about the DNC providing her with some clothing that will be donated after the campaign to charity is making a cheap shot.
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Merris
Oct 23, 2008, 11:30 AM
I support McCain because he has attempted to fight government corruption and he is heads and shoulders above the Alinsky Marxist he is running against .But he was nowhere's close to my first choice.
I have started a whole new thread... just for you. :)
BABRAM
Oct 23, 2008, 03:58 PM
I have stepped back a bit of finding fault with Palin. I dont know what the circumstances were really of her being selected by McCain; I dont know if she came looking for the job, or what. I feel she will actually live to regret some of the bad speeches, misinformation, etc.
I actually hope she doesnt become you next VP, but I do hope she will be able to go back to her old lifestyle in Alaska.
Good point. I agree. Palin blundered by accepting to hitch her wagon to John McCain. She's being abused and transformed into everything she claimed she was against as a non-insider. We all knew that would happen. I hope she's able to soon get back to her family life and governing roots in Alaska where she belongs.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2008, 04:14 PM
Democrats get their clothing for free because the designer wants the promo.
Barack and Michelle paid for their own clothes.
Galveston1
Oct 23, 2008, 04:31 PM
Barack and Michelle paid for their own clothes.
So they're rich. I doubt Gov. Palin has those financial resources.
Galveston1
Oct 23, 2008, 04:35 PM
Add:
"Uncle Woman" -Sandra Bernhard
"Disabled" -Charlie Rangel
"harriet miers with a better a$$" -Rosie O'Donnell
And this (http://www.cafepress.com/votefordem/5956162).
I realize that you are pointing out the slanders against Gov. Palin, but it gives me an opportunity to say something.
There is no way we can get the information to prove it, but I'll bet Palin's IQ is higher than at least 75% of the elected officials and bureaucrats in Washington.
tickle
Oct 23, 2008, 04:37 PM
If she had had the clothes to start with, which she apparently didn't, so they had to cloth her appropriately. It had to be done some way if she couldn't afford it herself.
Galveston1
Oct 23, 2008, 04:37 PM
We need to know her characters and values. Who is the real Sarah Palin? This is a question that needs to be explored before an awful mistake is made at the polls.
Your post here is dead on! Only insert Obama here. Who is Barack Obama?
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2008, 04:40 PM
So they're rich. I doubt Gov. Palin has those financial resources.
He wrote and sold two books. Palin hasn't. She spends her money on ammo to kill moosies, bears, and wolves.
Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2008, 04:43 PM
There is no way we can get the information to prove it, but I'll bet Palin's IQ is higher than at least 75% of the elected officials and bureaucrats in Washington.
Which of the seven categories of IQ do you pick:
Number Intelligence, Word Fluency, Verbal Meaning, Memory, Reasoning, Spatial Perception and Perceptual Speed
Hmmm, there are several she's not high in.
tickle
Oct 23, 2008, 04:45 PM
You really think she has a high IQ, she may well have (in something). Some opinions are that she has an excellent memory. John Cleese mentioned that hasn't anyone noticed that she sounds like she has memorized everything she says.
I will say though, that she is certainly rough around the edges.
I have nothing against the lady. You have to give her a big A for effort. She certainly gave everything, it appears, her best shot. She probably worked this hard to politic herself into the governorship of Alaska.
speechlesstx
Oct 24, 2008, 01:06 PM
I think tom first mentioned this (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/22/cbsnews_investigates/main4539410.shtml):
CBS News has confirmed that the Republican National Committee spent up to $150,000 on what appears to be wardrobe and makeup spending at high end department stores for the GOP Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin.
But one of the most famous political fashion designers of the year, Susanna Chung Forest, who designed Hillary Clinton’s pantsuits says it would be unusual for a candidate as famous as Sarah Palin to need to buy clothes.
“Why do you need to pay for it?” Forest told CBS News from her boutique Susanna Beverly Hills saying that most designers would offer to clothe a candidate for free. “It’s an honor, you are going to design for someone who could be the president of the United States,” noting that the exposure any designer would get from dressing someone as famous as Clinton or Palin would be worth much more.
The Los Angeles Times reported earlier this year that Senator Clinton’s custom made pantsuits from Forest were worth about $6,350 a piece retail. Clinton’s spokespeople did not respond to requests for comment.
Yes, now would probably be a good time to have no comment Sen. Clinton.
NeedKarma
Oct 24, 2008, 01:14 PM
Apparently she picked a nice scarf:
Stumper : Palin Donkey Scarf Origins (Sort of) Explained by Photographer (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/10/23/Palin-Donkey-Scarf-Origins-_2800_Sort-of_2900_-Explained-by-Photographer.aspx)
http://blog.newsweek.com/photos/gagglepix/images/735358/original.aspx
She ain't the bright one.
speechlesstx
Oct 24, 2008, 01:53 PM
She ain't the bright one.
Good grief, NK, do you ever have anything constructive to add? Did you ever stop to think that in such a "meet-and-greet-frenzy" someone pulled an infantile stunt to get that on her since she was not wearing one at the beginning? She's certainly not that stupid and it was certainly not very adult of both you and the moron that took the cheap shot.
NeedKarma
Oct 24, 2008, 03:45 PM
Good grief, NK, do you ever have anything constructive to add? Did you ever stop to think that in such a "meet-and-greet-frenzy" someone pulled an infantile stunt to get that on her since she was not wearing one at the beginning? She's certainly not that stupid and it was certainly not very adult of both you and the moron that took the cheap shot.
Let me call the wahhhhhh-bulance.
speechlesstx
Oct 24, 2008, 03:54 PM
Even more mature there, NK. And by the way, it's 'wambulance .'
NeedKarma
Oct 24, 2008, 03:56 PM
Thanks!
tomder55
Oct 24, 2008, 04:13 PM
Apparently she picked a nice scarf
Or she was working the rope line at a typically rapid pace... shaking the 5,000th hand of the day... and signing as many autographs (note the pen in her hand).Most likely someone gave it to her as a prank. She put it on without looking to see what it was.Gotta love political tricks !
tomder55
Oct 24, 2008, 04:21 PM
Barack and Michelle paid for their own clothes
With the money he made from his ghost written auto-biographies.
This whole discussion is silly in light of how much both political parties spent for their respective conventions.
Wondergirl
Oct 24, 2008, 04:48 PM
with the money he made from his ghost written auto-biographies.
Yes, clothes bought with his own money. I've written four non-fiction books that I had to research and then used my own brain to put them all together and my own nimble fingers to type. Obama's were easy, about his own life. I could do that about my own life and not need a ghost writer. What good would a ghost writer be? By the time you give him all the info, you may as well have written it yourself!
tomder55
Oct 24, 2008, 04:49 PM
But there is growing evidence that his first book ;Dreams From My Father was penned by someone other than Obama.
Wondergirl
Oct 24, 2008, 04:51 PM
But there is growing evidence that his first book ;Dreams From My Father was penned by someone other than Obama.
Such as?
tomder55
Oct 24, 2008, 05:19 PM
Jack Cashill ;author of Hoodwinked :How Intellectual Hucksters Have Hijacked American Culture
Has Been examining the subject.
Has been examining the two books and points out a lack of simularity in style between them. I have read both and it struck me also . It is strange that Obama ,who had no published work (not even from his time as editor of the Harvard Law Review) would be able to write with such quality the 1st time out.
Cashill goes on to compares Obama's writing in 'Father' with Bill Ayers 'Fugitive Days' .He does an interesting quantitative analysis in noting that "Fugitive Days" averaged 23.13 words a sentence. "Dreams" averaged 23.36 words a sentence in a QSUM "cusum analysis" .He also subjected the books to Flesch Reading Ease Score and found that both 'Dreams' and 'Fugitive Days' both scored around a 54 on reading ease and a 12th grade reading level .He also points out that both books are loaded with seafaring imagery . Obama even writes of "boundless prairie storms"[note the title of the Weathermen manifesto I pointed out on the other thred) Coincidence ? Maybe.
This is all a mute point of course because the only real proof is confession . And it's not likely that either Ayers or Obama would admit to a fraud of this magnitude.
Wondergirl
Oct 24, 2008, 05:43 PM
or she was working the rope line at a typically rapid pace....shaking the 5,000th hand of the day.... and signing as many autographs (note the pen in her hand).Most likely someone gave it to her as a prank. She put it on without looking to see what it was.Gotta love political tricks !
The donkeys are, um, rather obvious.
speechlesstx
Oct 25, 2008, 04:53 AM
The donkeys are, um, rather obvious.
I stand by my previous comments to NK. It was a childish prank and Palin is not that stupid.
speechlesstx
Oct 25, 2008, 05:57 AM
Speaking of Obama's first book, a Youtuber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7fi8STNlxM) seems to have uncovered a 1995 interview he did which can be read and heard in its entirety here (http://www.eyeonbooks.com/ibp_obama.php). The Senator with 143 days of Senate experience when he began his presidential run reveals what I believe to be his motivation for the job.
I worked as a community organizer in Chicago, [and] was very active in low-income neighborhoods working on issues of crime and education and employment, and seeing that in some ways certain portions of the African-American community are doing as bad, if not worse, and recognizing that my fate remained tied up with their fates. That my individual salvation is not going to come about without a collective salvation for the country.
As if some of us ever had any doubt, it's all about him. He can't attain his personal salvation until he saves the country. I got news for you Obama, I don't need or want your salvation.
Unfortunately, I think that recognition requires that we make sacrifices, and this country has not always been willing to make the sacrifices necessary to bring about a new day and a new age.
Who's that "we" he's talking about? Oh yeah, all of us. He's going to force his health care on us, force our children into universal service, force his "social" and "economic justice" on us, force his educational philosophy on us and if the Dems have their way, pry our private retirement out of our hands (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/dems-obama-nationalize-401-k-plans-272806.html) to help fund it.
tomder55
Oct 25, 2008, 06:16 AM
He will obtain personal salvation by leading the collective... Hmm wonder where I heard that before? Oh yeah, the Weathermen used to call their various cells "collectives" .
excon
Oct 25, 2008, 06:22 AM
He will obtain personal salvation by leading the collective.......Hmm wonder where I heard that before? Oh yeah, the Weathermen used to call their various cells "collectives" .Hello again, righty's:
Seems to me I've heard right wingers like you yelling at people like me, "America - love it or leave it!". So, if it gets too liberal around here for you, don't let the door hit you in the a$$.
excon
Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2008, 10:04 AM
As if some of us ever had any doubt, it's all about him. He can't attain his personal salvation until he saves the country. I got news for you Obama, I don't need or want your salvation.
You can't read. You've got it backwards. If our country dies, we die. If the country is going to survive, its citizens have to be the ones who make the difference and make that survival happen.
Who's that "we" he's talking about? Oh yeah, all of us.
Yes, exactly. Even you have to help.
speechlesstx
Oct 25, 2008, 11:16 AM
You can't read. You've got it backwards. If our country dies, we die. If the country is going to survive, its citizens have to be the ones who make the difference and make that survival happen.
All right Wondergirl, I've played along with you but what kind of BS remark is that? What is it about seemingly decent people that when they enter a discussion with a conservative they can't help but throw out insults? I can't read?? I've got it backwards?? I know perfectly well what Obama said, I suggest YOU read it again.
Yes, exactly. Even you have to help.
Insult number 2, "even you" have to help?? As if I make no contributions to this world? Kiss my you know what, I'm not going to take that kind of crap from you people any more.
Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2008, 12:07 PM
I suggest YOU read it again.
I have read it several times, and did again just for you. I stick with my previous comment, that we are all in this together and will sink or swim depending.
Insult number 2, "even you" have to help?? As if I make no contributions to this world? Kiss my you know what, I'm not going to take that kind of crap from you people any more.
I apologize. I should have not personalized it, and instead should have made it generic. As I said, we are all in this together and have to work together so we end up swimming instead of sinking. And I am not a "you people." I am a Christian and a Republican.
tickle
Oct 25, 2008, 12:29 PM
Its too bad you had to make a statement like that in the firs place, wondergirl, and then apologize for it. Nothing good ever comes from these political posts, especially this one from an inane subject like Palins wardrobe expense.
speechlesstx
Oct 25, 2008, 12:33 PM
I have read it several times, and did again just for you. I stick with my previous comment, that we are all in this together and will sink or swim depending.
And that can have so many meanings.
I apologize. I should have not personalized it, and instead should have made it generic. As I said, we are all in this together and have to work together so we end up swimming instead of sinking. And I am not a "you people." I am a Christian and a Republican.
Let's see, didn't you say Obama was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and "he hasn't disappointed?" For Christians to claim we have to work together and then turn around and insult your fellow travelers sure disappoints me, I think it's a funny way to get people to come together.
Was it generic or personal when Obama spoke in Philadelphia of continuing "a march for a more just, more equal, more free, more caring" and then derided Americans in San Francisco with "they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them?"
Was it generic or personal when John Murtha called his own constituents first "racist" and then "redneck?"
Was it generic or personal when Alcee Hastings said of Sarah Palin “Anybody toting guns and stripping moose don’t care too much about what they do with Jews and blacks."
Was it generic or personal when Whoopee Goldberg asked McCain if she needed to worry about slavery again?
Was it generic or personal when Sandra Bernhard threatened Sarah Palin with "gang rape" and called her "uncle woman?"
Was it generic or personal when Charlie Rangel called her "disabled?"
Was it generic or personal when Madonna equated McCain with Hitler and Mugabe?
Curlyben
Oct 25, 2008, 12:43 PM
Errrr Guys,
I posted this as more light hearted than anything else!!
Please calm down.
We are all HUMAN and that's all that really matters.
After all these people are only going to be in "power" for 8 years at most!
Cyprine
Oct 25, 2008, 05:12 PM
YouTube - No Place To Hide: The Strategy and Tactics of Terrorism (Part 4 of 6) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_3PKhD7vgY&feature=PlayList&p=2D935CC8276CF089&index=3&playnext=4&playnext_from=PL)
The best is part 4 & 5
This documentary was made in the early 80's, but its uncanny how it parallels our current situation in the US and abroad
NeedKarma
Oct 25, 2008, 05:15 PM
nightmares - Google Video (http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=nightmares&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=power%20of%20nightmares&hl=en&emb=0)
Watch them in order - you'll understand how the neoconservative works.
Cyprine
Oct 25, 2008, 05:53 PM
I am watching, but I already see something ridiculous:
The video says that terrorism is a "fantasy" "fabricated by politicians to keep their power"
Anyone who saw 9/11 should be sobered up into knowing it is not a "fantasy"
Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2008, 06:08 PM
I am watching, but I already see something ridiculous:
The video says that terrorism is a "fantasy" "fabricated by politicians to keep their power"
Anyone who saw 9/11 should be sobered up into knowing it is not a "fantasy"
You are taking that comment out of context. Please continue to watch and find out what is meant by that idea.
Cyprine
Oct 25, 2008, 07:39 PM
By the way, If I am watching your video you should watch mine which is much shorter (all 6 parts)
I will continue watching later
But why did you immediately send me a video about this, when I sent a video that informs about terrorism tactics (in which psychological tactics are the MOST pervasive). Are being defensive about something?
It talks about Marxist-Lehininst terrorist as well as neo-Nazi and "right wing" terrorism too (in Europe)
It shows how they operate "underground" in deliberate provocations to discredit the current government and create enough political unrest to take power, and how they know that taking control of the education system and brainwashing our youth is the way to impact the most damage (more than any one bombing or hostage of innocents). It shows how Marxist-Lehininst terrorist organizations across the globe support each other by exchanging services, smuggling weapons, money, operating under "cover" organizations, etc (for example today: Castro and Chavez, Castro and Ahmedinejad, etc
Stringer
Oct 26, 2008, 01:18 AM
YouTube - No Place To Hide: The Strategy and Tactics of Terrorism (Part 4 of 6) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_3PKhD7vgY&feature=PlayList&p=2D935CC8276CF089&index=3&playnext=4&playnext_from=PL)
The best is part 4 & 5
This documentary was made in the early 80's, but its uncanny how it parallels our current situation in the US and abroad
That IS scary Cyprine... very scary.
speechlesstx
Oct 26, 2008, 05:24 AM
http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/galleries/Holbert10242008.jpg
NeedKarma
Oct 26, 2008, 05:35 AM
"sexist jerks"? It's about the amount spent and where the money came from! You can't understand that simple part?
excon
Oct 26, 2008, 05:43 AM
Hello Steve:
Sexist?? I think not. Politics?? You betcha!!
Who knew it cost so much to dress a populist? At the very moment Palin was celebrating herself as "your average hockey mom", she was wearing a $2,500 silk jacket by Valentino.
Now, if she were running WITH the elites instead of against them, she'da been cool... But, she AIN'T. I don't know if YOU see the problem there, but everybody else does.
excon
tickle
Oct 26, 2008, 05:45 AM
Here we go again ! If she spent l50M on her/they wardrobe (the way I heard it, that was the total cost for outfitting her entire family and makeup and hair) that wouldn't amount to very much designer duds. She looked pretty well put together every time I saw her on TV (here in Canada). If they were all designer duds she would have had to wear one outfit many times, but I saw her in several different outfits bought from, what I understand, is high end department store Neiman Marcus. High end department stores in Toronto don't sell designer duds. I betcha she was wearing knock offs.
And what has terrorism got to do with the orignal post ? We are getting off topic. A topic which I don't consider to have any merit, of what 71 posts, so far has turned into. What has it got to do with sexist?
We are talking about a very attractive woman who just happens to wear anything well. The original dart was probably launched by a very jealous woman somewhere within Obama's entourage.
Wondergirl
Oct 26, 2008, 09:25 AM
The original dart was probably launched by a very jealous woman somewhere within Obama's entourage.
The story broke in Politico on 10/22/08. (RNC shells out $150K for Palin fashion - Jeanne Cummings - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.html)) --
The Republican National Committee has spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
The cash expenditures immediately raised questions among campaign finance experts about their legality under the Federal Election Commission's long-standing advisory opinions on using campaign cash to purchase items for personal use.
tomder55
Oct 27, 2008, 02:10 AM
The RNC gives her some clothes to wear. She did not ask where they came from. The big problem is that there is a staffer in the RNC who is letting her take a PR hit over this non-issue.
She has been poorly served by the McCain campaign and you are seeing her breaking away from their Dr Henry Higgins approach to managing her .
NeedKarma
Oct 27, 2008, 02:14 AM
She has been poorly served by the McCain campaign and you are seeing her breaking away from their Dr Henry Higgins approach to managing her .Even her own people are saying she can't be managed:
Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html)
Several McCain advisers have suggested to CNN that they have become increasingly frustrated with what one aide described as Palin "going rogue."
A Palin associate, however, said the candidate is simply trying to "bust free" of what she believes was a damaging and mismanaged roll-out.
McCain sources say Palin has gone off-message several times, and they privately wonder whether the incidents were deliberate. They cited an instance in which she labeled robocalls -- recorded messages often used to attack a candidate's opponent -- "irritating" even as the campaign defended their use. Also, they pointed to her telling reporters she disagreed with the campaign's decision to pull out of Michigan.
A second McCain source says she appears to be looking out for herself more than the McCain campaign.
"She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone," said this McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else.
"Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom."
speechlesstx
Oct 27, 2008, 06:38 AM
Even her own people are saying she can't be managed:
Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html)
Some of the rest of the story...
Tensions like those within the McCain-Palin campaign are not unusual; vice presidential candidates also have a history of butting heads with the top of the ticket.
John Edwards and his inner circle repeatedly questioned Sen. John Kerry's strategy in 2004, and Kerry loyalists repeatedly aired in public their view that Edwards would not play the traditional attack dog role with relish because he wanted to protect his future political interests.
Even in a winning campaign like Bill Clinton's, some of Al Gore's aides in 1992 and again in 1996 questioned how Gore was being scheduled for campaign events.
Jack Kemp's aides distrusted the Bob Dole camp and vice versa, and Dan Quayle loyalists had a list of gripes remarkably similar to those now being aired by Gov. Palin's aides.
If you ask me it shows she has a lot more spunk and is a lot more independent and capable than she's given credit for. She really can think for herself, imagine that.
excon
Oct 27, 2008, 06:46 AM
She really can think for herself, imagine that.Hello Steve:
Well, then here's the good news you righty's have been looking for. Assuming Obama creates the commy society you think he will, Palin will be your nominee in 2012.
I'll probably be dead by then. Thank God.
excon
NeedKarma
Oct 27, 2008, 06:49 AM
She really can think for herself, imagine that.Congratulations!
tomder55
Oct 27, 2008, 07:17 AM
Even her own people are saying she can't be managed:
Palin's 'going rogue,' McCain aide says - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html)
Lol ,you say her own people say she can't be managed then link to a quote by McCain operatives.
NeedKarma
Oct 27, 2008, 07:25 AM
That's correct. McCain advisers are saying she 'going rogue'.
tomder55
Oct 27, 2008, 07:27 AM
Good ;they have ill-served her .
By the way ;how much did the Obama campaign spend to fly him twice during the campaign to Hawaii on a private 767 ?
NeedKarma
Oct 27, 2008, 07:37 AM
You mean his jet? In the same way that McCain has a jet (http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/06/30/air-straight-talk-launches/) and flies courtesy of the Repub campaign?
But he often cheats: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/us/politics/27plane.html
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/04/27/mccain_campaign_violates_own_travel_policy/
I can smell the desperation from here. Good luck!
tomder55
Oct 27, 2008, 07:40 AM
Did McCain use his jet to fly to Hawaii on vacation during the campaign ?
My point is that both campaigns have spend rediculously in this campaign . Obama spend much more $$ than the RNC did for her clothes just to make his stage for his acceptance speech look like Mount Olympus.
NeedKarma
Oct 27, 2008, 07:49 AM
When you have more donors and more money you can do that.
tomder55
Oct 27, 2008, 08:16 AM
That justifies it ? Why doesn't Obama release the names of his small donors? $200 million + has been donated without a name attached to it.
Obama has successfully bucked the stupid campaign reforms that the Democrats and McCain enacted .
Good ;let the canard called "campaign finance reform" wither on the vine and let McCain get hoist with his own petard . He reached across the aisle to create one of the worse pieces of legislation in our history.
But I guarantee that once Obama is in the Dems will quickly draft and pass their own expanded version of the Incumbent Protection Bill.
NeedKarma
Oct 27, 2008, 08:20 AM
Incumbent Protection Bill.Nah, won't happen - that was a part of Bush's unique ethics... or lack thereof. We will see.
excon
Oct 27, 2008, 08:32 AM
But I guarantee that once Obama is in the Dems will quickly draft and pass their own expanded version of the Incumbent Protection Bill.Hello again,
I heard that too. They're going to call it the Obama for God Bill.
excon
speechlesstx
Oct 28, 2008, 10:15 AM
Speaking of Obama's Greek temple and wasteful spending (http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31687_More_Than_5_Million_Dollars_for_Obamas_Greek _Temple/comments/)...
In its FEC filing, the host committee said it incurred $53.67 million in operating expenses and spent $53.86 million.
Most of that money went to pay expenses of the Democratic National Convention Committee, the party organization that staged the DNC. Nine percent of the host committee’s money went to pay its own expenses, which included salaries, marketing and staging various events off the convention grounds.
Convention expenses paid by the committee included $14.1 million for construction costs, including the stage and lighting, at the Pepsi Center and $5.3 million at Invesco Field.
And they aren’t finished paying yet:
The group said it has $7.1 million on hand but still is receiving invoices from contractors. It plans to file an updated report with those expenditures later.
5.3 million for Obama's Greek temple and you people are complaining of Palin getting dressed up as a potential VP should. And this from the people supporting the candidate who has raised and spent more money on his campaign than anyone else ever. I wonder what kind of good could have been done with all those fraudulent donations (http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-camp-continues-mega-million.html) from Daffy Duck?
By the way, she's sending the clothes back (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5020818.ece) in favor of her own clothes from her "favourite consignment shop in Anchorage."
Wondergirl
Oct 28, 2008, 09:12 PM
I wonder what kind of good could have been done with all those contributions from Daffy Duck?
Daffy here. In six months you will be soooooo glad you helped vote him into office.