Hello Christians:

Should the president follow the Bible, or the Constitution? Why?

excon

Since there is separation of Church and State, he needs to follow the Constitution. If he happens to disagree based on a religious belief, then he needs to work to change the law he disagrees with. Or she, I guess.

In the scripture we find government rule, and today we have government rule.
In scripture we have seen all examples of rule and power. Government was not always separate in rule from God's power and rule. However..

The people asked for a King. And as often as Kings and leaders were told to follow in the obedience of God, they would fail in someway, some better the others, some worse then others.

So to determine which is best for today, God did say give them Kings to judge. However, Jesus can be quoted in saying: Matthew 22:21 Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

That allows us with that same Freedom that God brought us. "Choice" of the people, and I feel God wants our love, and obedience to be the one "Choice" above all choices.

God does not want anything to do with the items of treasure we go after, yet there is still choices freely given.

Main article: Preamble to the United States Constitution
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

This does not grant any particular authority to the federal government and it does not prohibit any particular authority. It establishes the fact that the federal government has no authority outside of what follows the preamble, as amended. "We the people", is one of the most-quoted sections of the Constitution.

So government/ we the people, rule as the Constitution mandates will be majority rule of the people. And the heart and mind in hope, strength and power belongs to God in love.

This is the fig tree generation and I am beginning to think there are many bad figs influences ... example of who can be deceived today

The President has to follow the Constitution and the laws of the land as well as engage in creative thinking and *RATIONAL*, critical thinking along with his advisors in order to solve problems and move the cause of America forward based on our real problems. :)

So the president has to follow the Constitution, and that is correct.
Are then, the Supreme Court judges allowed to amend that Constitution from the bench? This is the main issue. I say "No" and therefore want a president who will appoint "original intent" justices rather than "living document" justices.

Which, galveston, is what happened in the case of 'separation of church and state'. The meaning was twisted by the interpretation of law, that the church should stay out of the government's business. As with sndbay's post, the law kicked out god, and made themselves king of everyone. Thank god that we, the people can render unto god what is his.

Of course we don't have any law that divides the church from the state, there are some laws that restrict the state from interfering with the church.

Sadly the laws on the books have been misused and even new meanings given by liberal views.

But there is no reason one can not do both, Nothing in the constitution that is against the bible, and of course if there was the constitution can be amended, it has been so before.

So it is easy if christians really lived their faith, they would vote for only real Christian people,

And once the majority of Congress, the majority of the supreme court and the president were all christian it would all work together

The Constitution, otherwise we would have a Theocracy.

Americans pride themselves on democracy. Perhaps the question should be amended, in that the constitution is the basis for our law, yet as humans, we have the ability to make moral decisions. Personally, I find law as a pulling, one way or the other, based on our wants.
I can see that someone would speak against a theocracy as detrimental to democracy, because of inequality based on the bias that the majoritys' wants are sometimes ignored.

According to God (Romans 13) all those in authority are to do both. If there is a conflict then the leaders are to follow God's laws. God's reasons are that He, as the creator and owner of all things, He is the highest authority even though He establishes secular authority among mankind.

He has not established a Theocracy since the time of Moses. And even then, He eventually permitted His people to have a monarchy because the base nature of fallen man hates to be obliged to God.

Jesus explained that the rule of God is in the hearts of those people who have become His subjects. At the end of this world all people will come before Him to be judged by Him.

Isa 45:22-24

22 "Turn to me and be saved,
all you ends of the earth;
for I am God, and there is no other.
23 By myself I have sworn,
my mouth has uttered in all integrity
a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow;
by me every tongue will swear.
24 They will say of me, 'In the Lord alone
are righteousness and strength.'"
All who have raged against him
Will come to him and be put to shame.
NIV

Rom 14:10-12
For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11 It is written:

"'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.'"

12 So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
NIV

Phil 2:9-11
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
And gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
In heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
To the glory of God the Father.
NIV

According to God (Romans 13) all those in authority are to do both.


By choice of free will as a follower/believer. It is important as a Nation under God that we believe in "THE WORD"

Again: The people asked for a King. And as often these Kings, as the leaders were told to follow in the obedience of God, they would fail in someway, some better the others, some worse then others. Yet they FAILED, for man is not without sin.

Men fail, at understanding they are not to follow man. The message throughout the scriptures is as Jesus exampled in the Pharisees traditions. Those traditions were not of God but man's traditions, and that Herod was man as King. Both were "WE THE PEOPLE" yet failed by not putting God's Word fore most, and above all.

Jesus said (Mark 8:15) to take heed of the leaven of both Pharisees and Herod... That leaven is man's direction, law, or traditions because the leaven of these raise to false teaching where by are not of "THE WORD" That's what works it way through the path of following men.

What remains even today is, that which allows us with that same Freedom that God brought us. "Choice" of the people, (WE THE PEOPLE) and I feel God wants our love, and obedience to be the one "Choice" above all choices. It is a matter of who will follow The WORD.

Men fail, at understanding they are not to follow man. The message throughout the scriptures is as Jesus exampled in the Pharisees traditions. Those traditions were not of God but man's traditions, and that Herod was man as King. Both were "WE THE PEOPLE" yet failed by not putting God's Word fore most, and above all.

In spite of the fact that all human authority fails to follow God perfectly, even as all human beings fail to follow God perfectly, God instructs us that we are to be subject to secular authority.

Why? Because He established it. This is what Romans 13 says.

However, because He is the author of all things, whenever the secular government demands that we disobey God, we have the right and obligation to disobey that government demand:

Acts 5:27-30:
27 Having brought the apostles, they made them appear before the Sanhedrin to be questioned by the high priest. 28 "We gave you strict orders not to teach in this name," he said. "Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to make us guilty of this man's blood."

29 Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!
NIV

These two passages (Rom.13, Acts 5) show the balance of obedience to authority. We are to obey secular governments laws INSOFAR AS these laws do not demand anything contrary to God's Word.

Hello again, Christians:

Let me close by saying the president should follow the Constitution - period - end of story!

Why?? Cause, not every president is going to BE Christian, and you don't want to have to follow some OTHER guy's Bible, do you? Nahh. The Christians I know, won't like that a bit.

excon

Why??? Cause, not every president is gonna BE Christian, and you don't want to have to follow some OTHER guy's Bible, do you?? Nahh. The Christians I know, won't like that a bit.

excon

That is a no brainer, because we/children of God, follow Christ. That fact is nothing of shame to us. We will have no other God's before us.
I do not vote to have a liberal President, or one who votes to have a more liberal justice system. It would be to our destruction under God's wrath. The scriptures example this throughout what is written. Destruction from wrath is a choice. Following God is a rewarded blessed mentioned as seven spiritual eyes that watch over us. This country has laid their foundation as One Nation under God, I pray that that remains a reality.

I do not vote to have a liberal President, or one who votes to have a more liberal justice system. It would be to our destruction under God's wrathHello again, s:

I don't know how much LESS liberal you want it to be... Right now we have 2,299,116 prisoners held in federal or state prisons or in local jails, and it's growing at annually at the rate of 2.6%.

That's more convicts than ANY other country in the world - even the ones we call evil.

It THAT'S what going by the Bible does, then I want none of it.

excon

Hello again, s:

I dunno how much LESS liberal you want it to be.... Right now we have 2,299,116 prisoners held in federal or state prisons or in local jails, and it's growing at annually at the rate of 2.6%.

That's more convicts than ANY other country in the world - even the ones we call evil.

It THAT'S what going by the Bible does, then I want none of it.

excon
These people were not punished under the laws of the bible, but that of the constitution.

Fa. Chuck is right.
Also the bible tells us that we should do both according to God and the law of the Constitution.
By the way, the constitution says that ONLY the congess ans legislate new laws.
So when the supreme court legislates from the bench they ARE breaking the law.
Unfortunately they is no way right now to stop them from doing that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred