Yet another victim of the Chosen One...


"I Will Follow Him": Obama As My Personal Jesus

By: Maggie Mertens
Posted: 9/18/08
Obama is my homeboy. And I'm not saying that because he's black - I'm saying that in reference to those Urban Outfitters t-shirts from a couple years ago that said, "Jesus is my homeboy." Yes, I just said it. Obama is my Jesus (http://media.www.smithsophian.com/media/storage/paper587/news/2008/09/18/Opinions/i.Will.Follow.Him.Obama.As.My.Personal.Jesus-3440311.shtml).

While you may be overtly religious and find this to be idol-worshipping, or may be overtly politically correct and just know that everything in that sentence could be found offensive, I'm afraid it's true anyway.

As with many spiritual enlightenments, mine came in the middle of a bleak, hopeless period of my life. The innocent, idealistic world of politics that had shaped my childhood, the one that taught me how the president is a good guy, one who makes you feel safe, gives a speech on TV every once in a while and one you'd feel honored to shake hands with, had been slowly whittled into a deep rooted cynicism to anything politically related.

The crush of the Bush victory over Gore was only the first mar on my previously consummate ideal of the American administration. And the tragedies just kept continuing: Bush's response to the Sept.11 attacks, the invasion of Iraq, the tax cuts for the rich, the downward spiral continued squashing my scant hope that the political world and state of our country could be saved.

Then I found my miracle. Stumbling through my hopeless world, afraid to turn to anyone with my political questions of morality, my concerns about the afterlife of the country I called home, a voice spoke to me.

Barack Obama bore to me his testimony in 2004 at the Democratic National Convention, a testimony that included believing in concepts as simple and wholesome as the Constitution; a belief the current administration had done away with entirely. I was 17 and my antipathy for politicians was already in place before I had even reached the age to legally vote for one. He, though, seemed different. I was intrigued. I would follow him. I believed however, that my discipleship would lead me on a much longer path to political change than was true. He was much too young, not white enough, not rich enough, not jaded - the country certainly wasn't ready for this, maybe in 12 or 16 years he would be able to run in the Democratic primary, I thought.

My interest was piquéd, but the dark time lived on until my faith in others was renewed on Jan. 4 in the Iowa state primary. Obama had beat out squeaky clean southern boy John Edwards and former first lady and next in the line of political succession Hillary Clinton. I was in shock. And then I came to Jesus/Obama.

I donated to the campaign. I followed every primary with bated breath, and muttered my prayers to the political gods while proselytizing the miracle of my new prophet. I got a car magnet, I bought a t-shirt; a pin and bumper sticker are on their way to my campus mailbox. Then the media and right wing questioning began: what is he? A rock star, or the next president? Bono or Britney? The naysayers used his popularity among young people against him. Who had ever heard of political posters in college dorm rooms? Bumper stickers on the back of your high school neighbor's Jetta? Guess what those "Jesus is my homeboy" t-shirts were replaced with at Urban Outfitters? A smiling Obama under his own cutesy sayings like "Obama for yo Mama."

I must admit, I questioned this myself. After all, would I have ever bought a t-shirt with Al Gore's face on it? Was this all he was, the newest pop culture fad? I questioned my newfound faith - was it all only a phase, like the time I thought I was Baptist in junior high? But my inner dogmatic struggle only helped cement my beliefs as I followed politics more closely than ever before. Obama's mere presence, knowledge and enthusiasm in the political realm inspired my own desire to understand what exactly had gone wrong, what exactly he could do to remedy the mess we'd made.

Then I began to realize I wasn't the only one trying to buy a WWOD bracelet and spending my weekends scouring CNN.com. The rock star-type love for Obama wasn't just because he was pretty and in the media. Others too, had seen him as a shining light, heard that mythical voice boom out over the mountaintops; people were wearing the t-shirt because they would rather wear something representing a politician than a pop star. People everywhere, young and old, were caring again. So what's the problem here?

I've officially been saved, and soon, whether they like it or not, the rest of the country will be too. I will follow him, all the way to the White House, and I'll be standing there in our nation's capital in January 2009, when Barack Obama is inaugurated as the 44th president of the United States of America. In the name of Obama, Amen. © Copyright 2008 The Sophian

Who else will stand up for Obama as their "personal Jesus?" And you think Sarah Palin is scary...

Anybody who worships a god is scary.

Hey at least she worships someone that everyone has seen and can prove is real. Good for her.

Anyone who worships a man (http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/) is even scarier.

The scary thing is you take this article seriously. Like she actually has Obama statues she prays to. You are too much Speech.

Oh whoa I just clicked the link those people are crazy.

Are you holding this against Obama? I don't think it's fair to demonize (haha, see what I did there?) him because there are some nutjobs out there who endorse him. Or, for that matter, people who write to sound like a nutjob, but really are speaking a bit metaphorically.

I'm not sure what's scarier, that people worship Obama or that people don't take these people seriously. Even Spit clicked on the link and said "those people are crazy." For once, Spit and I are in complete agreement.

On a related note: Westboro Baptist Church is representative of all Christians.

I'm not sure what's scarier, that people worship Obama or that people don't take these people seriously. Even Spit clicked on the link and said "those people are crazy." For once, Spit and I are in complete agreement.

You really believe it? You mean to tell me you honestly, swear to god, you believe the author of that article and the people on that site are representing their beliefs with 100% accuracy? You don't see the satire in it? My crap-detector is going off like a siren!

But even still - even if they are serious, yeah, they're nuts. What does that have to do with Obama as a person or candidate?

Don't make me start drawing parallels about people following and worshipping a charismatic leader who promises great things and change! :D

Jillian, my crap detector has been in overdrive since Obama announced his candidacy. I don’t think Duracell can make enough batteries to keep it going for a 4 year Obama administration. But yes, many – too many – are absolutely serious about their insane devotion to Obama. This writer makes the point well.

On a related note: Westboro Baptist Church is representative of all Christians.

You mean Landover Baptist don't you?

Add this group of allegedly rational people to the list :

YouTube - My American Prayer - Dave Stewart (Captioned) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1QpTMdzGLQ)

Nice song by the way... used to like Dave Stewart when he was with the Eurythmics.

Or these...

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Alpha... Omega...

Isn't that Revelation 1:8. making it a perfect chant for the Obamamessiah

All you Americans are over the top and scary. We're used to it by now! Most of you worship some sort of 'false idol' and nearly all you cling to guns. Its all the same! :)

Jillian, my crap detector has been in overdrive since Obama announced his candidacy. I don’t think Duracell can make enough batteries to keep it going for a 4 year Obama administration. But yes, many – too many – are absolutely serious about their insane devotion to Obama. This writer makes the point well.

Yes, many people are insane about their devotion to Obama, but I will venture to guess a majority of them (if not all) don't honestly consider him a "god". This writer makes that into a satire, an exaggeration.

Do you mean to say there is no one insanely devoted to McCain?

Yes, many people are insane about their devotion to Obama, but I will venture to guess a majority of them (if not all) don't honestly consider him a "god". This writer makes that into a satire, an exaggeration.

Do you mean to say there is no one insanely devoted to McCain?

Have you heard of any?

Have you heard of any?

I've seen people cheer his every word, praise his every decision, and not question a single one of his decisions; pre-election and post-election. Sounds like insane devotion to me.

But regardless, what does any of it have to do with the candidate and their qualifications? So Obama has some nutty followers; so what?

Jillian, my crap detector has been in overdrive since Obama announced his candidacy. I don’t think Duracell can make enough batteries to keep it going for a 4 year Obama administration. But yes, many – too many – are absolutely serious about their insane devotion to Obama.
Thats exactly my feelings after 8 years of your idol BUSH! Many of us survived it, barely though, so can you. Batteries not included.

I've seen people cheer his every word, praise his every decision, and not question a single one of his decisions; pre-election and post-election. Sounds like insane devotion to me.

Jillian, give us some examples. I haven't seen ANYTHING like you describe.


But regardless, what does any of it have to do with the candidate and their qualifications? So Obama has some nutty followers; so what?

My question to you is what are his qualifications? The relevance to why it matters if Obama has - not some - but many, many nutty followers, do you want a bunch of nutty people deciding who sits in the White House? I'd rather people decide based on reality, not what they hope he might be.

The relevance to why it matters if Obama has - not some - but many, many nutty followers, do you want a bunch of nutty people deciding who sits in the White House? I'd rather people decide based on reality, not what they hope he might be.


Hey reality check junior, I thought you voted for Dubya twice. How did that work out? Are you going trying to convince Jillian you have a clue? :rolleyes:

My question to you is what are his qualifications?


You have to be a natural-born US Citizen (a citizen from birth - but not necessarily born in the USA, which is a common misconception).

You have to be at least 35 years of age.
You have to have resided in the US for the last 14 year

Apparently that's all the law calls for, so he is qualified.



but many, many nutty followers, do you want a bunch of nutty people deciding who sits in the White House? I'd rather people decide based on reality, not what they hope he might be.
one has to be 18 and has to be a citizen of the u.s. one cannot be a ex criminal depending on the state one may live in. and the most basic qualification of them all is that one has to register before voting.

Doesn't matter if your blind, cripple or crazy, if your registered, you have a right to vote.

Hey reality check junior, I thought you voted for Dubya twice. How did that work out? Are you going trying to convince Jillian you have a clue?! :rolleyes:

Bite me, Bobby. Do you have anything more than insults these days?

Bite me, Bobby. Do you have anything more than insults these days?Now, now steve-o. Your past relationships are vital to understand your character and knowledge before anyone takes your advice. We don't anything about you except that you voted and supported Bush twice.

Your past relationships are vital to understand your character and knowledge

For a minute I thought you were addressing Obama.

Jillian, give us some examples. I haven't seen ANYTHING like you describe.

I'm speaking on things I've witnessed, people I've interacted with, even some people on AMHD (no, I'm not going to sling names). Are there news articles about it? I don't know, maybe. I don't really have the time to search, to be honest with you. But look at the crowds during his speeches and appearances - one could make the argument those people are ardent supporters. But really, it doesn't matter.


My question to you is what are his qualifications? The relevance to why it matters if Obama has - not some - but many, many nutty followers, do you want a bunch of nutty people deciding who sits in the White House? I'd rather people decide based on reality, not what they hope he might be.

His qualifications have been established (thanks, tal), and it's also been mentioned that all people have the right to vote - nutjob or not. Besides, "nutty people" can be anyone on the opposite side of your (collective you, not you, you) opinion, right? I could argue that "nutty people" are the ones who think there is an all-knowing, all-powerful, white-bearded man in the sky who listens to their thoughts. Those people get to vote, right? So why not the people who think Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread? Do you honestly think there is a significant portion of the population (enough to swing the election to Obama) who think he's the messiah? Really?

Look, I'm not saying I support Obama, what I am saying is that taking a satire piece (I think the article and the link are both satire, btw) and using it as evidence as to why someone shouldn't vote for a candidate, or why this candidate doesn't belong in office, is silly. Let's say there are enough wackjobs out there to swing the election and Obama gets elected because they think he's the messiah - he still got elected because that's what the people want. You don't mean to imply we should take voting rights away from people who don't "decide based on" (your) "reality", do you? That sounds very un-democratic to me.

Now, now steve-o. Your past relationships are vital to understand your character and knowledge before anyone takes your advice.

You mean character and judgment, and unlike Obama I have enough of both to know when to back away from people with neither.


We don't anything about you except that you voted and supported Bush twice.

Considering the alternatives - Lurch and the Goracle – who can really blame me?

Lurch and the Goracle Are you still in high school?

What is Lurch and Goracle?

Lurch is Kerry separated at birth
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/w/4/kerry_lurch.jpg (http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-kerrypyleseparated.htm)

I'm speaking on things I've witnessed, people I've interacted with, even some people on AMHD (no, I'm not going to sling names). Are there news articles about it? I don't know, maybe. I don't really have the time to search, to be honest with you. But look at the crowds during his speeches and appearances - one could make the argument those people are ardent supporters. But really, it doesn't matter.

Sorry, but I haven’t noticed it anywhere. In fact, most people I know along with most of the conservative talking heads have been much less than enthusiastic about McCain. The best thing he’s had going for him is the alternative would be a disaster.


His qualifications have been established (thanks, tal), and it's also been mentioned that all people have the right to vote - nutjob or not.

That makes him eligible, does it make him qualified?


Besides, "nutty people" can be anyone on the opposite side of your (collective you, not you, you) opinion, right? I could argue that "nutty people" are the ones who think there is an all-knowing, all-powerful, white-bearded man in the sky who listens to their thoughts. Those people get to vote, right? So why not the people who think Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread? Do you honestly think there is a significant portion of the population (enough to swing the election to Obama) who think he's the messiah? Really?

Tell me Jillian, have you ever heard anyone say anything like this about another politician?


"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being" -- Mark Morford
"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century." -- Gary Hart

"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence." -- Eve Konstantine

"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth." -- Oprah Winfrey
“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan." -- Bill Rush

"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event." -- Chris Matthews

If people were saying these things about a Republican the cry from the left about conservative nutjobs would be deafening. They would be calling for voter disqualifications if not as Janeane Garafalo thinks is appropriate, put them in jail (http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/16/janeane-garofolo-great-jail-all-republicans)– while still believing “Democrats as people are fundamentally more decent.”


Look, I'm not saying I support Obama, what I am saying is that taking a satire piece (I think the article and the link are both satire, btw) and using it as evidence as to why someone shouldn't vote for a candidate, or why this candidate doesn't belong in office, is silly. Let's say there are enough wackjobs out there to swing the election and Obama gets elected because they think he's the messiah - he still got elected because that's what the people want. You don't mean to imply we should take voting rights away from people who don't "decide based on" (your) "reality", do you? That sounds very un-democratic to me

I wouldn’t take any qualified voter’s rights away Jillian. I also wouldn’t do as ACORN likes to do and make up names to pad the polls in their candidate’s favor. They’ve now allegedly signed up “the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3631733)” to vote in Nevada. THAT’S very undemocratic and that’s what troubles me, too many Obama supporters are willing to do anything to elect their Messiah including voter fraud. One person, one informed, rational vote is all I ask.

Are you still in high school?

It's much more catchy than "Dumbya" or "the dufus."

OH LURCH!! Kerry does look like him. I think Obama Looks like Alfred E. Neuman the mascot of Mad Magazine.

Sure does!!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_K6sEnl461k8/SJ2RFjAK6SI/AAAAAAAAAL8/-4dNzywgGug/s400/Obama+mad-magazine-cover.jpg

I always thought Kerry looked more like the old man of the mountain

http://z.about.com/d/gonewengland/1/0/x/K/oldman1.jpg

The Penguin!

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First off - the Lurch thing - now that's just funny! :)


Sorry, but I haven’t noticed it anywhere. In fact, most people I know along with most of the conservative talking heads have been much less than enthusiastic about McCain. The best thing he’s had going for him is the alternative would be a disaster.

I guess we've seen and heard different things. :)


That makes him eligible, does it make him qualified?

Just on that alone, no, of course not. Those requirements make a TON of people eligible. But what is your standard for qualification? Like I said, I'm not really an Obama supporter, so I won't sit here and spout off about how he's the best person for the job, blah blah blah. But after watching the debates and reading about his policies and ideas, I'm not so quick to label him as "unqualified".


Tell me Jillian, have you ever heard anyone say anything like this about another politician?

Surely you understand a black man running for the highest office in our country (and having a real shot at it) is monumental? The quotes you've posted indicate that to me - people are excited about the progress Obama being elected means we've made in this country, it speaks VOLUMES that we are finally willing and able to put a young black man in a position consistently held by old white men. Of course people are energized, of course they are excited. Top it all off with his whole things of "Change" and you've got a formula for excitement. As for the biblical references made in the quotes, I attribute that to people getting carried away, or, more likely, people seeking ratings and attention. I mean really, you say someone in the public eye is the messiah, you're going to get attention, right?


If people were saying these things about a Republican the cry from the left about conservative nutjobs would be deafening. They would be calling for voter disqualifications if not as Janeane Garafalo thinks is appropriate, put them in jail (http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/16/janeane-garofolo-great-jail-all-republicans)– while still believing “Democrats as people are fundamentally more decent.”

I don't deny this, not at all. The current Republican party has a reputation for being evangelical, any reference they make to religion is cast out in a negative light by the Dems. But you say the cry about conservative nutjobs would be deafening; isn't the cry from the conservatives about the liberal nutjobs a little deafening?


I wouldn’t take any qualified voter’s rights away Jillian.

I know you wouldn't. But that doesn't change the fact it sort of looks like you are arguing that these people shouldn't vote, or that they are voting "wrong" or for the wrong reasons. People can vote on any basis they want, we may not like it, but they can do it. My own grandmother was a Hilary supporter; when she dropped out of the race (or got the boot, if you prefer) she said now she'd have to vote for McCain. Why? Because she won't vote for a black man. Stupid reason as it is, it's still her right to vote.


I also wouldn’t do as ACORN likes to do and make up names to pad the polls in their candidate’s favor. They’ve now allegedly signed up “the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3631733)” to vote in Nevada. THAT’S very undemocratic and that’s what troubles me, too many Obama supporters are willing to do anything to elect their Messiah including voter fraud. One person, one informed, rational vote is all I ask.

Do you think I'm going to defend this? I'd like one person, one informed vote too, but the reality is, it doesn't happen that way. My husband mentioend to me an article he read the other day which said most people, when watching the debates, can't tell when the candidate goes off topic. Sounds pretty uninformed to me! So we just have to hope those people for some readon don't make it to the polls that day (like my grandmother... )!

NK You are the winner of the look a like contest. Good Job finding that!!

McCain is Jesus... in a penguin costume.

McCain is Jesus...in a penguin costume.

And you asked if I was still in high school?

And you asked if I was still in high school?You're my role model here.

Bite me, Bobby. Do you have anything more than insults these days?


It was insulting to point out facts? Like you supported Dubya's failed presidency?



The relevance to why it matters if Obama has - not some - but many, many nutty followers, do you want a bunch of nutty people deciding who sits in the White House? I'd rather people decide based on reality, not what they hope he might be.


You did this to yourself... again. You're blind to Jillian's argument that both candidates have some support base that cheers on their candidate no matter the circumstance, and a hypocrite for commenting, "The relevance to why it matters if Obama has - not some - but many, many nutty followers, do you want a bunch of nutty people deciding who sits in the White House."

You're my role model here.

No, I'll gladly give you the credit when you've earned it... like now.

NK You are the winner of the look a like contest. Good Job finding that!!!

Well, if it's a contest then this should be the winner:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_QQDkIq2Ukmg/R-iCft73lWI/AAAAAAAAANM/AkAIE-M3v-o/s400/James_Carville_Is_Gollum.jpg

do you want a bunch of nutty people deciding who sits in the White House[/I]."

Psst, Jillian... here's exhibit A.

EVERYONE shoud be disturbed by this!

This from [U]Culture and Media Institute

Even more scary, yesterday the Drudge Report showed the world a video of Kansas City junior high school students chillingly called the “Obama Youth.” We watch boys clad uniformly in camouflage pants and dark T-shirts declare, fists clenched, that “because of Obama” they can become chemical engineers, scientists or mechanics. The teacher who furnished the video to the local Fox TV station has now been suspended – not for using public funds to teach the kids to worship Obama, but for allowing the video to be seen in public.



Another YouTube video, “Sing for Change for Obama,” shows a choir of California grade schoolers, directed by adults, singing about the hope instilled in them by Obama. A YouTube send up of the video has renamed it “Sing for Change for Obama, Dear Leader,” pointing up the parallel to the object of the world's most oppressive cult of personality, dictator Kim Jong Il of North Korea.

Is messiah the right word after all?

There are weirdos everywhere, have you not seen the Jesus Camp videos? Yet we still allow christianity to exist. Weird.

There are weirdos everywhere, have you not seen the Jesus Camp videos? Yet we still allow christianity to exist. Weird.

So, would YOU vote for Jesus for President?? You offer a straaaaange argument here!!

Yet we still allow christianity to exist. Weird.

And we still allow you to speak your mind, no matter how absurd the result.

$839 million spent to provide food, healthcare, shelter, education and such from one US Christian organization alone last year (http://www.worldvision.org/content.nsf/about/ar-financials?Open&lid=20032&lpos=main_fla_arfinancials), most of which I'm sure came from individual Christians such as myself. By far, the majority of assistance to homeless people in my city of 200,000 in the way of food, shelter, clothing, etc. comes via four Christian organizations, Salvation Army, Faith City Mission, Citychurch and one whose name escapes me. What are you going to have left when you eliminate Christianity, Joe Biden (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-12-biden-financial_N.htm)?

I'm not trying to eliminate anything. You guys are trying to disqualify Obama 'cause some fringe group has weird rituals. Do you think Obama promotes and endorses this?

BTW why are you helping the homeless?? Are you a communist? If they can't hack working then they are the problem. Oh wait... that's the republican talking point... never mind.

I'm not trying to eliminate anything. You guys are trying to disqualify Obama 'cause some fringe group has weird rituals. Do you think Obama promotes and endorses this?

No, you aren't "trying" to eliminate it, you just made a disturbing statement. The point is there are valid reasons to not only ensure Christianity exists but that it thrives. Oh, and our God is much more worthy of worship than theirs.


BTW why are you helping the homeless?? Are you a communist? If they can't hack working then they are the problem. Oh wait... that's the republican talking point... never mind.


Think the difference between talking the talk and walking the walk.

No, you aren't "trying" to eliminate it, you just made a disturbing statement.
Please refer to galveston's post and direct any further words to him on this subject.

EVERYONE shoud be disturbed by this!!

This from [U]Culture and Media Institute

Even more scary, yesterday the Drudge Report showed the world a video of Kansas City junior high school students chillingly called the “Obama Youth.” We watch boys clad uniformly in camouflage pants and dark T-shirts declare, fists clenched, that “because of Obama” they can become chemical engineers, scientists or mechanics. The teacher who furnished the video to the local Fox TV station has now been suspended – not for using public funds to teach the kids to worship Obama, but for allowing the video to be seen in public.

Gal, did you not notice the kids in the video are all black? Don't you think it's inspiring for young black kids to see another black person achieve what Obama has? Why should we be disturbed by this?

Please refer to galveston's post and direct any further words to him on this subject.

Addressing what you say to Galveston makes as much sense as Obama supporters thinking that because they had to endure our ignorant choice we should have to endure their ignorant choice.

Psst, Jillian...here's exhibit A.


Speech, some Pubs like to talking religiously about the campaign. For example, the early efforts to try and present Obama out to be some sort of Anti-Christ, or a radical closet Muslim. Well rip and read this to your pastor, there's a Yiddish proverb that reminds me of your on going silly hypocritical ego driven arguments with Jillian, myself and a few others... that is "When the Messiah comes, all the sick will be healed; only a fool will stay a fool."


PS. Jillian's making perfect sense about the Black youth in the video.

Speech, some Pubs like to talking religiously about the campaign. For example, the early efforts to try and present Obama out to be some sort of Anti-Christ, or a radical closet Muslim. Well rip and read this to your pastor, there's a Yiddish proverb that reminds me of your on going silly hypocritical ego driven arguments with Jillian, myself and a few others....that is "When the Messiah comes, all the sick will be healed; only a fool will stay a fool."


PS. Jillian's making perfect sense about the Black youth in the video.

Bobby, as I keep reminding you guys, I defended Obama against those ignorant rumors. I'm sure that's what my pastor would have expected.

PS. Jillian's making perfect sense about the Black youth in the video.

Thanks! :)

Surely you understand a black man running for the highest office in our country (and having a real shot at it) is monumental? The quotes you've posted indicate that to me - people are excited about the progress Obama being elected means we've made in this country, it speaks VOLUMES that we are finally willing and able to put a young black man in a position consistantly held by old white men. Of course people are energized, of course they are excited.




I hear this all the time.

This is the equivalent of voting for someone based on their skin color, or age?

Is that really progress?

MLK said people should be judged on the content of their charater.

Is voting for a "black" man just because it is monumental or historical really true to what MLK spoke of?

Is voting for or against Obama because of his skin color really progress?
Is voting for or against McCain because he is "an old white dude" really progress?



Oddly enough, are there voters saying I'm voting for the McCain/Palin ticket because it would be historic or monumental to have the first female VP?

A lot of people say she is not qualified.

Can the same be said of Obama?



If a white voter does not vote for Obama, can it be because they do not think he is not qualified or don't agree with his stance on certain issues, and has nothing to do with the fact that he is half black?







Another question:

1] What if Obama is elected, and like any human being, he is not perfect and makes some bad choices or the economy gets worse or does not get better fast enough; will his followers then become apostates?;)

2] What if Obam does not get elected, what will his followers still worship him as a senator?
;)

BTW:

If I were to vote purely on the basis of color, for a "black" man for POTUS, it would be Tiger Woods in 2012 ;):)

This "messiah" thread is as good as anyplace to bring this up
Obama and Ayers served together on an "education" board.
Ayers speaks in Venezuala saying (short version) that childern should be educated against capatilism and for socialism.
Couple this with a statement that I heard Obama make that he wanted a more "hands on" approach to education by the federal government. All this makes me very nervous! It doesn't bother you?

Seriously... you need to get out of that box!


I hear this all the time.

This is the equivalent of voting for someone based on their skin color, or age?

Is that really progress?

MLK said people should be judged on the content of their charater.

Is voting for a "black" man just because it is monumental or historical really true to what MLK spoke of?

Is voting for or against Obama because of his skin color really progress?
Is voting for or against McCain because he is "an old white dude" really progress?

Where did I say people should vote for Obama because he's black? Or vote for McCain because he's an old white dude? Where did I even begin in imply it? The progress is in the fact that finally a black man might be president of the United States.


Oddly enough, are there voters saying I'm voting for the McCain/Palin ticket because it would be historic or monumental to have the first female VP?

A lot of people say she is not qualified.

Can the same be said of Obama?

Very true, I'm sure a lot of people will vote for McCain because Palin is a woman. Stupid reason to vote for someone, but it's still their right.


If a white voter does not vote for Obama, can it be because they do not think he is not qualified or don't agree with his stance on certain issues, and has nothing to do with the fact that he is half black?

Of course it can, where did I say it can't? I know lots of white people who aren't voting for Obama - not because of his race, but because of his policies. That's the way it should be. Nothing racist about that.

And why the hell do you keep putting 'black' in quotations? :confused:

1] What if Obama is elected, and like any human being, he is not perfect and makes some bad choices or the economy gets worse or does not get better fast enough; will his followers then become apostates?


Did you vote for Dubya? That thumping noise heard around the nation is the Pubs hitting the ground after bailing off the Bush bandwagon. And now many of them that voted for Dubya, not once, but twice, are pitching their tents with McCain.



2] What if Obama does not get elected, what will his followers still worship him as a senator?


I once heard a Rabbi give a drash (sermon) and speak of secular/religious matters saying, "if it swims, flies, crawls, runs, or stands on two legs to walk, we (Jews) don't worship it." Are you accusing people like myself, one of millions that support the Democrat nominee in this election, that I'm worshipping Obama??


BTW:

If I were to vote purely on the basis of color, for a "black" man for POTUS, it would be Tiger Woods in 2012.

Actually I think Tiger Woods is closer to representing the United Nations than based on supporters purely voting for someone that is Black. I think he's part Asian, part Caucasian, and part African American.

This "messiah" thread is as good as anyplace to bring this up
Obama and Ayers served together on an "education" board.
Ayers speaks in Venezuala saying (short version) that childern should be educated against capatilism and for socialism.
Couple this with a statement that I heard Obama make that he wanted a more "hands on" approach to education by the federal government. All this makes me very nervous! It doesn't bother you?

Aww... what's the matter, Gal? Can't respond to the counter I gave about the Obama Youth video, so now you have to throw in something else that looks damning? You're grasping, really.

Gal wasn't grasping, it's a legitimate concern.


Obama's Real Problem With Ayers (http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=308271974461547)

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Election '08: At an education forum in Venezuela, Bill Ayers showed the real issue is not his terrorist past. It's the socialist revolutionary agenda that he and Barack Obama want to impose on the nation's schools.

Still more evidence of how the media are in the tank for Obama was evident in Tom Brokaw's description of Ayers on Sunday's "Meet The Press."

"School reformer" is how Brokaw identified the co-founder of the Weather Underground, the radical organization that, among other activities, bombed government buildings, banks, police departments and military bases in the early 1970s.

Yeah, right: Ayers is a school reformer in the same sense, as City Journal's Sol Stern put it, as Joe Stalin was an agricultural reformer.

An idea of what Ayers has in mind for America's schools was provided in his own words not 40 years ago when Obama was eight years old, but less than two years ago in November 2006 at the World Education Forum in Caracas hosted by dictator Hugo Chavez.

With Chavez at his side, Ayers voiced his support for "the political educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution.. . I look forward to seeing how.. . All of you continue to overcome the failures of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane."

Ayers told the great humanitarian Chavez: "Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions large and small. La educacion es revolucion." It is that form of socialist revolution that Ayers, and Obama, have worked to bring to America.

Ayers, now a tenured Distinguished Professor of Education at the University of Illinois, Chicago, works to educate teachers in socialist revolutionary ideology, urging that it be passed on to impressionable students.

As Stern points out, "Ayers and his education school comrades are explicit about the need to indoctrinate public school children in the belief that America is a racist, militarist country and that the capitalist system is inherently unfair and oppressive."

If Ayers was just another nutty professor, we'd be lucky. But he wields great influence in academic circles and has had Obama's ear. He's the author or editor of 15 books. Chicago's current mayor, Richard M. Daley, has employed Ayers as a teacher trainer for Chicago's public schools and consulted him on the city's education-reform plans.

Just last month, Ayers was elected vice-president for curriculum for the 25,000-member American Educational Research Association. AERA is the nation's largest organization of education-school professors and researchers.

In a recent interview on Fox News' "The O'Reilly Factor," Obama upgraded Ayers' status from "a guy who lives in my neighborhood" to "somebody who worked on education issues in Chicago that I know."

Actually, Obama knew him quite well, having worked together on a school "reform" project called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.

In the 1990s, Ayers was instrumental in starting the Annenberg Challenge, securing a $50 million grant to reform the Chicago Public Schools, part of a national initiative funded by the late Ambassador Walter Annenberg.

Obama was given the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office. He ran the fiscal arm that distributed grants to schools and raised matching funds.

Ayers participated in a second entity known as the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, the operational arm that worked with grant recipients.

During Obama's tenure as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers' own education projects received substantial funding.

One of Ayers' descriptions for a course called "Improving Learning Environments" says a prospective K-12 teacher needs to "be aware of the social and moral universe we inhabit and . . . be a teacher capable of hope and struggle, outrage and action, teaching for social justice and liberation."

John McCain needs to repeatedly point out the stealth socialism of Ayers' education agenda and Obama's complicity in it. Otherwise, we may one day see Ayers as Obama's secretary of education.

G. Gordon Liddy: John McCain Finds His Own Radical (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/05/g-gordon-liddy-john-mccai_n_100134.html)

"John McCain has had a field day with Barack Obama's tenuous associations with Bill Ayers, a former member of the Weather Underground who is now a Chicago professor.

Obama has said repeatedly that Ayers' radical past (he was involved in a handful of bombings in the 1960s) occurred when Barack was just a child, and he repudiates those actions. Nevertheless, McCain wants more. He claimed recently:

"I think not only a repudiation but an apology for ever having anything to do with an unrepentant terrorist is due the American people."

Now, however, the Chicago Tribune is pointing out McCain's own radical associations with G. Gordon Liddy.

How close are McCain and Liddy? At least as close as Obama and Ayers appear to be. In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns--including $1,000 this year.

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."


For those who are unaware, Liddy helped plan the Watergate break-in that would cost Nixon his presidency and landed Liddy a four-year jail sentence.

But Liddy's career of inflammatory statements and actions exceed his Watergate actions.

Liddy, on Vitenam:

"I wanted to bomb the Red River dykes [sic]. It would have drowned half the country and starved the other half. There would have been no way the Viet Cong could have operated if we had the will-power to do that."

Liddy, advising Branch Davidians how to defend themselves from ATF agents during a radio show:

"If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head."

Liddy, on the impact Adolf Hitler had on him as a child:

When he listened to Hitler on the radio, it "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before," he explains. "Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body.""

The Truth about the Annenberg Board - Politics, News and Sports - AOL Message Boards (http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=440222&articleId=198090&func=6&channel=People+Connection&filterRead=false&filterHidden=true&filterUnhidden=false),

Hmmmmm!

Yes it is well known that Walter Annenberg was a Republican and donated money for education .It is also a fact that Ayers and Obama hijacked the project (much like socialist radicals have hijacked the Democratic Party) and turned it into a place to funnel money to radical education efforts. Walter Annenberg would not have approved the way his money was spent .

Bobby, it's good you admit that these associations matter. One would think being a friend of Liddy might endear McCain to the left seeing as how he has been embraced by Hollywood a number of times, even guest starring on Al Franken’s show Lateline. But then Liddy thinks fighting terrorists (http://www.amazon.com/Fight-Back-Tackling-Terrorism-Liddy/dp/0312199457) is a good thing and actually served his time – before being pardoned by Jimmy Carter.

I'm glad to hear that your so concerned that you're reconsidering not voting for McCain. I mean squandering your vote, not once, but twice on Dubya was bad enough.


"Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

Liddy, on Vitenam:

"I wanted to bomb the Red River dykes [sic]. It would have drowned half the country and starved the other half. There would have been no way the Viet Cong could have operated if we had the will-power to do that."

Liddy, advising Branch Davidians how to defend themselves from ATF agents during a radio show:

"If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head."

Liddy, on the impact Adolf Hitler had on him as a child:

When he listened to Hitler on the radio, it "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before," he explains. "Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body.""

It is plain that Ayers wants to "program" the youth of this country, and Obama's association with him is hardly "tenuous".
Now with the dirt on ACORN coming to light, it seems Obama has a whole circle of radical people as friends.

Gal wasn't grasping, it's a legitimate concern.

It's grasping because instead of sticking to the first "issue" he brought up, he's bailed on that one and come up with another one. Legitimate concern or not, switching to a new topic without acknowledging the argument against the first is pathetic and grasping.

It's grasping because instead of sticking to the first "issue" he brought up, he's bailed on that one and come up with another one. Legitimate concern or not, switching to a new topic without acknowledging the argument against the first is pathetic and grasping.
Not so! There is SO MUCH information about Obama that has been swept under the rug that the supply seems inexhaustable!
So the "Obama Youth" is a bunch of extremist flakes. It fits with the theme of the thread.

Wow. It still amazes me how GROWN people talk and act and treat each other.

Not so! There is SO MUCH information about Obama that has been swept under the rug that the supply seems inexhaustable!
So the "Obama Youth" is a bunch of extremist flakes. It fits with the theme of the thread.

I didn't say the Obama Youth video didn't fit with the theme of the thread (though it IS off topic, perhaps you should have started your own?). Keep up - You posted the Obama Youth thing, I responded. Instead of responding to that, you threw in the bit about Ayers. Thus, I concluded that you can't rebutt, so you changed the topic. Grasping. Pathetic.

Please see my sig.

I'm glad to hear...

"I don't regret setting bombs...I feel we didn't do enough" -William Ayers

When Bill Ayers and G. Gordon Liddy run for president let me know. I'll toss a coin.

You know Speech, your right in that we must know both candidates very well before a decision is made and its telling that you pick a lot of stuff out on one candidate and not the other, which is why we have 8 years of Bush and are where we are as a nation now. There seems to be as much on the web about McCain as Obama, but you seem willing to over look, as his being censure for bad judgment, for his role in the Keating 5 debacle, that led to convictions. Funny how you can jump on Ayers, who never went to jail for what he did, and became a noted professor.

Former '60s Radical Is Now Considered Mainstream in Chicago - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/17/AR2008041703910.html)

http://www.keatingeconomics.com/?source=sem-pm-google&gclid=CNWIxMfYnJYCFQNaFQod8VY76Q

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/report-mccain-exploded-wi_n_133242.html
My point being your fears are one way, and based on facts you haven't checked, as the republican candidate has as much eye opening stuff, as you say the democratic one has. Why are you just focused on one, and not the other, in this time of financial disaster??

Ayers never went to jail because the Feds screwed up the case ;not because he wasn't guilty as hell. He admits it and wishes he did more.

Everyone now is downplaying it but those were real bombs that were detonated and in a couple of cases meant to kill. They set 3 bombs loaded up with gasoline at the home of New York State Supreme Court justice Murtagh as he ;his wife and 2 sons slept in the house. Judge Murtagh was running the trial of the “Panther 21.” who were indicted in a plot to bomb New York landmarks and department stores. The same night, bombs were thrown at a police car in Manhattan and two military recruiting stations in Brooklyn.

When asked by the NY Slimes if he would do it all again, Ayers responded: “I don't want to discount the possibility.”

Those are the words of the so called noted professor .

Hezbollah commits acts of terrorism and runs schools in Lebanon to indoctrinate the next generation . No one would mistake them for being anything other than terrorists.

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0423ss.html

You know Speech, your right in that we must know both candidates very well before a decision is made and its telling that you pick a lot of stuff out on one candidate and not the other, which is why we have 8 years of Bush and are where we are as a nation now.

You know tal, why would anyone expect me, who if anyone has paid any attention knows I think liberalism is a scourge on this country, would spend any time purposely knocking the Republican candidate? I'm highly partisan, what a shocker, eh? As I said before though, what were our other choices, Gore and Kerry? I shudder to think of what this country might have become under their “leadership.”


There seems to be as much on the web about McCain as Obama, but you seem willing to over look, as his being censure for bad judgment, for his role in the Keating 5 debacle, that led to convictions. Funny how you can jump on Ayers, who never went to jail for what he did, and became a noted professor.

It’s easy to jump on Ayers, he’s an unrepentant terrorist, and it’s common sense to question Obama’s judgment for having relationships with this man, the man he says was “just a guy in my neighborhood” who happened to work with him on “education” projects and hosted his Illinois senate launch party in his home. If Obama has such sound judgment how in God’s name can he have gone this long without realizing hey, this guy’s an unrepentant terrorist and I want no part of that?


My point being your fears are one way, and based on facts you haven't checked, as the republican candidate has as much eye opening stuff, as you say the democratic one has. Why are you just focused on one, and not the other, in this time of financial disaster??

What eye opening stuff is there about McCain? The part where he was cleared of any wrongdoing? The part where his "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate," according to the ethics committee findings? The part where he was repentant and regretful unlike Ayers when he admitted "The appearance of it was wrong. It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do?" There is no comparison, tal.

As far as “just focused on one, and not the other, in this time of financial disaster” goes, why is no one focusing on the Democrats who had a hand in this and instead blaming it all on Bush? Why is no one focusing on the Democrats who control congress after riding in to save the day on their white Trojan horses 2 years ago but spent the entire time obstructing, obscuring, investigating and wasting our time and money?

Re:Keating 5 .

80% of the Keating 5 were Dems and McCain was completely exonerated by the Dem investigator Robert Bennett (who you will recall also served as Clintoon's laywer during the impeachment ).

Bennett recommended to the Senate Ethics Committee that McCain be found clean but the Democrat led Senate had to make a case against him because he was the only Republican on the hook. The Senate Ethics Committee found McCain and Glenn to be the least blameworthy of the five senators. (McCain and Glenn attended the meetings but did nothing else to influence the regulators.) McCain was guilty of nothing more than "poor judgment," the committee said, and declared his actions were not "improper nor attended with gross negligence."


Still McCain conceeds his poor judgement in befriending Keating .He has since spent his career in the Senate dedicated to reform ;even passing laws I despise like McCain Feingold.

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_mccain_ethics_complaint.html,

My point is that nobody has clean hands, and sill don't. If you have to make someone look good, by making someone else look worse, we are all in trouble.

What makes them think that McCain ever wins gambling ? He and his wife are rich enough and could certainly afford tens of thousands of dollars in gambling losses every year.. The few times I went to Atlantic City I knew how much money I had in hand and that I would probably not come home with it. I think it would be rare that if he spent some time in the casinos that he would have an income to report against all his losses.

Edit : by the way ;Obama plays low stakes poker as part of his recreation. I hear he is pretty good at it.

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM110_mccain_ethics_complaint.html,

My point is that nobody has clean hands, and sill don't. If you have to make someone look good, by making someone else look worse, we are all in trouble.

It seems more like your point is do as say and not as I do, seeing as you continue post accusations against McCain while complaining about others “making someone else look worse.” I’ll agree that none of them have clean hands, but only one seems to have the integrity to acknowledge his mistakes – and his name isn’t Obama.

And by the way, choosing CREW to help make your point was let's say, an interesting move.

Ok tal, let's put the shoe on the other foot.


Obama: My Weekly Poker Game With Lobbyists Is Okay (http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODE4MzY5YjIyNWIwMjc5NDZlYjNjODBkMmVkZjFhYWQ=), But McCain's Gambling Isn't

Politico: "The DNC is buying ads on religious Web sites to highlight the McCain gambling ties reported on Sunday’s New York Times front. BREAKING: “Watch for Obama to use the story about McCain and gambling in the NYT yesterday to drive his change message, especially on the economy and the influence of lobbyists.” Team Obama will argue this reflects on temperament and judgment."

That would be this New York Times story, describing McCain playing the craps table with Rick Davis and Scott Reed. Davis is a longtime McCain friend and associate, currently his campaign manager, who runs a lobbying firm that represented Indian tribes with casino interests. Reed also worked as a lobbyist for Indian tribes, but he was also Bob Dole's campaign manager in 1996, where McCain is a top surrogate. To define these longtime buddies of McCain as lobbyists, you would also have to define David Axelrod as a lobbyist.

Beyond that, are we supposed to ignore the fact that the criticism is going to come from the guy who used to have a weekly poker game with lobbyists?

USA Today, July 6 of this year: "On Wednesday nights during Illinois General Assembly sessions, a group of lobbyists and lawmakers used to gather at the headquarters of the Illinois Manufacturers' Association for a weekly poker game. Barack Obama, who represented part of Chicago as state senator from 1997-2004, was a regular."

I guess gambling with lobbyists is scandalous, but if a Democrat does it, it's okay.

Besides the obvious hypocrisy here, let's see who will be quick to chastise the DNC for "buying ads on religious Web sites" to "make someone look good, by making someone else look worse."

Now we know, Louis Farrakhan has officially pronounced Obama as the Messiah - capitalized for your benefit Bobby.


Will MSM Report on Louis Farrakhan Declaration of Obama as the Messiah (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/10/09/will-msm-report-louis-farrakhan-declaration-obama-messiah)?
By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
October 9, 2008 - 15:52 ET

Imagine the excitement of the mainstream media if they had discovered that some preacher up in Alaska had declared Sarah Palin to be like a deity? Well, the same basic thing happened when the Supreme Minister of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, declared Barack Obama to be a messiah as you can see in this video. I believe this messianic pronouncement by Farrakhan was made last February but the video was uploaded to YouTube just yesterday. Better save this video before it gets scrubbed by the Thought Police. I don't know which is creepier, the pronouncement of Obama as messiah by Farrakhan or that strange cultish smile on his face. Here is the transcript of Farrakhan's annunciation of the Messiah of the Chicago Machine:


You are the instruments that God is gonna use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking.


The strange thing here is that Farrakhan is announcing just what much of the media has been promoting; the idea of Barack Obama as some supernatural spiritual leader. As chronicled here in NewsBusters several months ago, photos of Obama with a glowing halo behind him began to pop up. And then there was Mark Morford, a San Francisco columnist and Zen Master (New Age way of staring at your own navel), who declared Obama to be a Lightworker:


Barack Obama isn't really one of us. Not in the normal way, anyway.

This is what I find myself offering up more and more in response to the whiners and the frowners and to those with broken or sadly dysfunctional karmic antennae - or no antennae at all - to all those who just don't understand and maybe even actively recoil against all this chatter about Obama's aura and feel and MLK/JFK-like vibe.

To them I say, all right, you want to know what it is? The appeal, the pull, the ethereal and magical thing that seems to enthrall millions of people from all over the world, that keeps opening up and firing into new channels of the culture normally completely unaffected by politics?

No, it's not merely his youthful vigor, or handsomeness, or even inspiring rhetoric. It is not fresh ideas or cool charisma or the fact that a black president will be historic and revolutionary in about a thousand different ways. It is something more. Even Bill Clinton, with all his effortless, winking charm, didn't have what Obama has, which is a sort of powerful luminosity, a unique high-vibration integrity.

Dismiss it all you like, but I've heard from far too many enormously smart, wise, spiritually attuned people who've been intuitively blown away by Obama's presence - not speeches, not policies, but sheer presence - to say it's just a clever marketing ploy, a slick gambit carefully orchestrated by hotshot campaign organizers who, once Obama gets into office, will suddenly turn from perky optimists to vile soul-sucking lobbyist whores, with Obama as their suddenly evil, cackling overlord.

Here's where it gets gooey. Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul.

So with media nutcases like Mark Morford declaring Obama to be a "Lightworker," should we be surprised that the MSM won't find anything unusual in Farrakhan's pronouncement of Obama as the Messiah?

OowxMcVTjTE

McCain was completely exonerated by the Dem investigator Robert Bennett (who you will recall also served as Clintoon's laywer during the impeachment ).Hello tom:

You make it sound as though facts matter when smears are made. But, you don't seem to care about them when you smear Obama...

I say, let the smearing begin, which will wind up in a blowout for Obama.

There is one good thing about the current economic breakdown. There's going to be some changes made - changes that otherwise MIGHT not have happened if we didn't have it.

As painful as it is, it bodes well for our future. The old white haired erratic dude represents the past.

excon

What have I said that is not factual ?

There is one good thing about the current economic breakdown. There's going to be some changes made - changes that otherwise MIGHT not have happened if we didn't have it.


You mean like Berlusconi of Italy saying they want to suspend the markets while international financial rules are "rewritten."

Are those the type of changes you desire . Choux has made it clear she does.

Hello again, tom:

I haven't read everything you've written recently, but Sarah Palin is saying that Obama and Eyres palled around. You didn't?

excon

Now we know, Louis Farrakhan has officially pronounced Obama as the Messiah - capitalized for your benefit Bobby.

So you, of course, are in agreement with Louis Farrakhan and give Obama the respect of full messiahship? Wow!

So you, of course, are in agreement with Louis Farrakhan and give Obama the respect of full messiahship?! Wow!

Bobby, I've no more done that than you've shown signs of intelligence.

Bobby, I've no more done that than you've shown signs of intelligence.


Steve, you did this to yourself... yet again. Those that have been so gloriously bored to have witnessed your reasoning on this cyberspace highway of politics, know the signs of your intelligence to be: flammable, slow, downgrade, and dead end. I honestly don't think you comprehend what you've done in your effort to ridicule Obama. By emphasizing the first letter in "messiah," with a capital letter, you are giving an undue honor. Just because someone else does so, BTW Farakkhan is part of an extremist minority, why do you choose to follow? In your case, as a Christian, that demotes Jesus. As a Jew, I emphasize on future consideration with respect to The Messiah. Don't let your ego get in the way of learning. :)

Bobby, only you would think I've given honor to Obama... but at least you admit any honor he receives is "undue."

Old proverb: A man is known by the company he keeps.

Hello Gal:

And, YOU keep company with ME. It could be said, that you PAL around with exconvicts. If you were running for something, your opposition would certainly say it. It wouldn't be true, of course, but smearmongers don't care much for truth.

In fact, the link between Obama and Ayers is just SLIGHTLY closer than yours and mine.

Or, it could be said, like an Obama guy did the other day on Sean Hannity, that Hannity PALS around with anti-semitics, since he gave over his whole show to interview one. I don't know if it's true or not, but it certainly COULD be said.

But, these DETAILS aren't important to the smearmongers...

excon

Old proverb: A man is known by the company he keeps.
What if he keeps company with a lot of folks, from many walks of life??

The weird thing is that no one seems to have room for the fact that no matter what side your on, we are all on the same side.

Even McCain has said that even though he, and Obama, disagree on fundamentals, he was a good, and decent man. Whoa, you don't believe your own guy???

Bobby, only you would think I've given honor to Obama...but at least you admit any honor he receives is "undue."

Huh? How many times did you take the GED before passing the English portion? Where did I say that "any honor he receives is undue?"

Huh? How many times did you take the GED before passing the English portion? Where did I say that "any honor he receives is undue?"

Very funny, Bobby, now you really look like an a$$. I passed the GED first time in 1978 with no studying whatsoever. Oh, and you were the one who said the honor was "undue," not me.

Bobby, only you would think I've given honor to Obama...but at least you admit any honor he receives is "undue."

Ok. Stevie, get out your number two pencil and big chief tablet. And stop throwing spit balls at the chalkboard! Look at the bold section that has been highlighted for your convenience. Now read that section again and write it down.



Very funny, Bobby, now you really look like an a$$. I passed the GED first time in 1978 with no studying whatsoever.

Criteria standards must had been very low that year.


Oh, and you were the one who said the honor was "undue," not me.

If your reading comprehension level was on par with your ego, you wouldn't be stuck in another jam here. You claimed that I "admit any honor he receives is "undue."" I'm asking you to to prove your statement factually by showing me (and the board) where I said such. It's a very simple request, but can you fulfill it?

It's a very simple request, but can you fulfill it?

What's the matter Bobby, can't keep up with a high school dropout?

What if he keeps company with a lot of folks, from many walks of life?????

The weird thing is that no one seems to have room for the fact that no matter what side your on, we are all on the same side.

Even McCain has said that even though he, and Obama, disagree on fundamentals, he was a good, and decent man. Whoa, you don't believe your own guy???

Not on that point, I don't.

What I do think is that McCain will appoint judges who hold to the original intent of the Constitution, whereas I think Obama would appoint judges who see the Constitution as a "living document" to be edited at their whim.

I hope your right, that's why Obama has my vote, its time to overcome the conservative fear of CHANGE!!

I like McCain though, I do, just not as a president. I think we need judges that acknowledge MANY things have changed, since they wrote the constitution.

I hope your right, thats why Obama has my vote, its time to overcome the conservative fear of CHANGE!!!!

I like McCain though, I do, just not as a president. I think we need judges that acknowledge MANY things have changed, since they wrote the constitution.

We have a way to do that. It's called amendment. It is a process where MANY people have to agree that it needs to be changed. It is not supposed to be at the decision of 5 people!

So, are there any parts of the FIRST 10 AMENDMENTS that you don't like?

Gee, Did I misunderstand, or what? As you say there is a process to make amendments, to the constitution, so why are you worried about,

who see the Constitution as a "living document" to be edited at their whim.
Don't quite know what you mean on that one. I didn't know the Constitution could be edited. So clarify, please.

Before an amendment can take effect, it must be proposed to the states by a two-thirds vote of both houses of Congress, and ratified by three-quarters of the states.


So, are there any parts of the FIRST 10 AMENDMENTS that you don't like?
No, but deciding who is president still sticks in my craw, especially given the debacle of the last 8 years.

Not on that point, I don't.

What I do think is that McCain will appoint judges who hold to the original intent of the Constitution, whereas I think Obama would appoint judges who see the Constitution as a "living document" to be edited at their whim.

Um... what's the difference between upholding the constitution to it's original "intent" (which means the people interpreting it say, "Well, you see, what they mean is this..." and editing it like it's a living document?

When we argue about "intent" we get issues like marriage between one man and one woman. The constitution doesn't spell that out - that's what the interpreters have decided it intended.

Hm... a conundrum, perhaps?

PS: I know of another document which causes controversy over original "intent", "living document" and "actual wording" too! Bonus points for whoever can name it! :D

If you mean the bible, then I have to ask which one??

What's the matter Bobby, can't keep up with a high school dropout?

Correct. I'd have to lower my aptitude to that of Jr. High level. You should had finished High School, Stevie. You did miss a lot! And especially when it comes to reading comprehension. Where is the proof of your statement?? You claimed in reference to Obama that I "admit any honor he receives is "undue."" I was hoping you would prove your statement factually by showing me (and the board) where I said such. Why did you lie??

If you mean the bible, then I have to ask which one???

*DING DING* You get the bonus points! :)

It's far too in-depth of a topic (and waaaayy off topic) to go into here. But congrats on your bonus points; I'd give you a greenine, if I could! :D

Correct. I'd have to lower my aptitude to that of Jr. High level. You should had finished High School, Stevie. You did miss a lot! And especially when it comes to reading comprehension. Where is the proof of your statement??? You claimed in reference to Obama that I "admit any honor he receives is "undue."" I was hoping you would prove your statement factually by showing me (and the board) where I said such. Why did you lie???

Poor thing, you just can't stand it when someone turns the table on you. The "master misleader" gets a taste of his own medicine and comes unhinged. You've revealed a lot lately, Bobby, I now understand why you've abandoned substance for personal attacks. You can't best a lowly high school dropout so you turn to insults to soothe your overdeveloped ego. What a shame.

"Undue" was your word Bobby, you'll find it if you look... unlike that crap you completely made up about me and Farrakhan. And with that, it's your game now... I have better things to do than waste my time on your personal attacks and hissy fits.

"Undue" was your word Bobby, you'll find it if you look...unlike that crap you completely made up about me and Farrakhan. And with that, it's your game now...I have better things to do than waste my time on your personal attacks and hissy fits.

Steven, why are you wimping out?? I'm only quoting what you stated. You claimed in reference to Obama that I "admit any honor he receives is "undue."" I just wanted to know where it is, that I ever said such.

We are ALL Jesus!!

:-P

Now lets get on with it already eh?

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