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spitvenom
Oct 1, 2008, 09:28 AM
So that hard hitting journalist Katie Couric is at it again with Palin this time she wanted to know What Does Sarah Palin read? Specifically... and Her answer well EVERYTHING ALL OF THEM!! Check out the video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9go38MgZ4w8

NeedKarma
Oct 1, 2008, 09:40 AM
Asked what newspapers and magazines she reads, Palin - a journalism major in college - could not name one publication.

tomder55
Oct 1, 2008, 09:41 AM
Me too ;I regularly read from a large variety of sources. I have magazine subscritions ;check them out from the library; read them on-line... even the NY Slimes.

Now Biden ;what does he read ? How about Obama... oh wait we already know that
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NeedKarma
Oct 1, 2008, 09:52 AM
Ah tom, always deflecting and changing the subject - just like your candidate!

tomder55
Oct 1, 2008, 09:57 AM
OK I'll give Couric the answer she was phishing for :

"I read the bible and Fox news on line"

NeedKarma
Oct 1, 2008, 10:00 AM
Why not:

"I read the Globe and Mail and Wall Street Week and The New York Times, as well as my staff provide me with a clipping service based on subjects of interest."

See that wasn't so hard.

spitvenom
Oct 1, 2008, 10:02 AM
Tom should could have just said what her favorite newspaper (or online newspaper) is. If someone asked me what newspaper do you read my answer would be like this. Well The only newspaper I read that is actually on paper is the wall street journal. But online I read philly.com nytimes.com foxnews.com cnn.com and many others. Question answered on to the next question see it is pretty simple to do. If she would have done that we wouldn't be sitting here laughing at her.

tomder55
Oct 1, 2008, 10:18 AM
I think she nailed Couric's intent when she replied :

I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where it's kind of suggested, “Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?” Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.

NeedKarma
Oct 1, 2008, 10:30 AM
I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too.And she couldn't name one?

Galveston1
Oct 1, 2008, 01:51 PM
Do I sense left wing desperation here?

NeedKarma
Oct 1, 2008, 01:55 PM
Do I sense left wing desperation here?People in glass houses...
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spitvenom
Oct 1, 2008, 01:57 PM
Gal it was a simple question with a simple answer but apparently it was a little to complex Sarah Palin. If she would have even said I love reading _____ and actually said something we all would have been satisfied but no she couldn't even handle that.

You know the more I watch the Palin Katie Couric interviews the harder it is to tell them apart with the Saturday night live skits. And that is very sad.

spitvenom
Oct 1, 2008, 01:59 PM
Ouch NK don't point out Gals Hypocrisy

speechlesstx
Oct 1, 2008, 02:11 PM
LOL, "you guys" will make an issue out of anything. NK will even make anything about Fox News an issue but nothing about Couric's loaded question, "when it comes to establishing your world view, I was curious, what newspapers and magazines do you generally read..

Tell us Spit, what would have been the right answer on what newspapers and magazines she reads when it comes to establishing her world view? Which one should she give a plug to? Which one do YOU want her to say?

NeedKarma
Oct 1, 2008, 03:36 PM
Tell us Spit, what would have been the right answer on what newspapers and magazines she reads when it comes to establishing her world view? Which one should she give a plug to? Which one do YOU want her to say?Please re-read the whole thread before posting.

speechlesstx
Oct 1, 2008, 03:51 PM
Please re-read the whole thread before posting.

And you're point would be what, NK? Seriously, don't give me that condescending BS, monitoring your own relevance would be more appropriate.

Skell
Oct 1, 2008, 04:24 PM
Tom if you think she 'nailed' that question than you're having a laugh! I agree, it means very little , but she still looked stupid. As if you guys wouldn't have made a deal of it had it been Obama!
Give and take boys!

tomder55
Oct 1, 2008, 04:54 PM
I'm being serious... she gave an honest answer. What do you think she meant when she said
That she reads "anything" and "everything" that's "put in front of her".

She's a governor . She gets into work in the morning and her staff has given her clippings from the major national news stories and the local Alaskan newspapers. She doesn't sit down to the NY Slimes . She's a busy exec. So she reads what is given to her to read . Often they are AP stories off the internet that are not attributed to any particular periodical.

Now you all know this to be the truth so your ridicule is just some more cat calling from the cheap seats.

Her problem is that she did not play along with it. I would've said I read Little Green Footballs ,Newsmax , Free Republic ,National Review etc. all stuff that would've driven Couric crazy.

spitvenom
Oct 2, 2008, 06:52 AM
Speech if you refer to post #7 I said what I read. But no one cares what I read because I am not a VP candidate. But if someone asked me I would have given an actual answers not everything all of them.

excon
Oct 2, 2008, 07:55 AM
Hello tom:

She may read gazillions of newspapers - everything that comes her way... But, as honest as her answer may have been, the perception we're left with, is that she doesn't read ANYTHING.

But, of course, she DOESN'T read everything like she says. There isn't time. The truth is, YOU and I, and every other person who reads, filters through various publications. We don't read them all. So, she doesn't either.

Now, she MAY read what's put in front of her, but that means sombody else is handling her, spoon feeding her information, kind of like a Karl Rove type, and that's not good either.

But, whether she reads or not, and as honest as YOU might think the answer was, she blew it. Because it's the PERCEPTION that sticks around.. And, the perception she left is that she doesn't read...

In fact, I don't think she does read. Because, you know what you read, and you can spout the names of the publications without much thought. So does everybody else who DOES read - ergo, Sarah Palin is pretty dumb, in my personal view.

Let's see how she does tonight.

excon

speechlesstx
Oct 2, 2008, 10:15 AM
Speech if you refer to post #7 I said what I read. But no one cares what I read because I am not a VP candidate. But if someone asked me I would have given an actual answers not everything all of them.

Spit, I read that, but I asked in the context of the question (which only I pointed out NK), Which one should she give a plug to? Which one do YOU want her to say?

NeedKarma
Oct 2, 2008, 10:19 AM
How about my answer in post #6 (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/1300741-post6.html):

"...as well as my staff provides me with a clipping service based on subjects of interest."That would have satisfied the viewers I'm sure. That's what high placed executives do.

spitvenom
Oct 2, 2008, 11:26 AM
I don't want her to "plug" anything. There is no specific publication name I wanted her to say.

The Answer of oh everything, all of them sounds like a grade school student who was supposed to do a book report and didn't. Then when the teacher asks the student what part of the book did you like the student answers all of it. That's what her answer sounded like to me.

Galveston1
Oct 2, 2008, 01:55 PM
If the left weren't afraid of Gov Palin, all this stuff about the vp debate would be on page 10! Biden only has to be himself, gaffes and all, while it is demanded that Palin be an expert on all sorts of trivia, all foreign affairs, and read something acceptable to the left. If she said she reads ANYTHING from the conservative side, she would have been roundly criticized for THAT. Personally, I don't care what she reads. I am interested in what she THINKS and what she has DONE, and what I have seen so far, I LIKE.

NeedKarma
Oct 2, 2008, 02:36 PM
If the left weren't afraid of Gov Palin, Yes we are afraid of her and not for the reasons you assume. Many on the right are also afraid of her.

Galveston1
Oct 3, 2008, 10:52 AM
Yes we are afraid of her and not for the reasons you assume. Many on the right are also afraid of her.

I think you are afraid on anyone who does not veer leftward. You like Obama and so you would like his judicial appointments. He has made it clear what he wants in SCOTUS judges, and that is those who view the Constitution as a "living document" meaning that they can change it at their whim. I DO NOT want those kind of judges, but rather those who carefully determine what was intended when the Constitution was written.
It is on this basis that I will vote for McCain because I think he will appoint judges that I approve of.

Tuscany
Oct 3, 2008, 11:14 AM
Yes we are afraid of her and not for the reasons you assume. Many on the right are also afraid of her.

I fear her... but not because she is on the right but because of her lack of experience. I don't believe she is stupid, in fact I find her quite charismatic. But her obvious lack of experience scares me. She is just one 72 year old sickly heartbeat away from being president. Also- I am a moderate.

excon
Oct 3, 2008, 11:17 AM
I DO NOT want those kind of judges, but rather those who carefully determine what was intended when the Constitution was written. It is on this basis that I will vote for McCain because I think he will appoint judges that I approve of.
Hello Gal:

Actually, you want YOUR judges to be "activist" too. You just want 'em to be active in your favor.

Cause, if we ruled by what the Constitution intended, marijahoochie would be legal, homosexuals would be able to marry, and Guantanamo Bay would be shut down. Those don't sound like things you'd like.

The ONLY candidate who would appoint the kinds of judges you SAY you want, is Ron Paul. The ones you'll GET with McCain, will continue the "activisim" of the present batch, like Scalia, Roberts, Thomas and Alito.

excon

spitvenom
Oct 3, 2008, 11:27 AM
How religious she is what scare's me to death. To sit there and say abortion should be Illegal even in a case where a 15 year old girl is raped by her uncle and gets pregnant is absolutely insane.

How could you torture someone like that? It's bad enough that a 15 year old girl would have to mentally relive that everyday, but to make them relive it physically everyday for 9 months goes beyond torture in my opinion.

speechlesstx
Oct 3, 2008, 12:37 PM
How religious she is what scare's me to death. To sit there and say abortion should be Illegal even in a case where a 15 year old girl is raped by her uncle and gets pregnant is absolutely insane.

How could you torture someone like that? It's bad enough that a 15 year old girl would have to mentally relive that everyday, but to make them relive it physically everyday for 9 months goes beyond torture in my opinion.

I'm sorry but I don't see how it's insane to believe the innocent child involved should not be killed. I admit I can't imagine the trauma of being raped and I'm sure no matter the choice it will be gut wrenching, but it isn't insane to choose life for the child.

spitvenom
Oct 3, 2008, 01:49 PM
I'm sorry but isn't the girl who gets raped innocent also? But lets outlaw abortion and all the girls who get pregnant because they were raped can go to some back alley abortion clinic and have an abortion and possible die in the process. So by making abortion Illegal you just took two lives instead one that isn't even a human being yet.

speechlesstx
Oct 3, 2008, 02:18 PM
I'm sorry but isn't the girl who gets raped innocent also? But lets outlaw abortion and all the girls who get pregnant because they were raped can go to some back alley abortion clinic and have an abortion and possible die in the process. So by making abortion Illegal you just took two lives instead one that isn't even a human being yet.

Look Spit, I don't fall for all the dramatics, and I don't recall anywhere Palin has said she would outlaw abortion. She has said the issue should return to the states, but to imply she would outlaw abortion is a distortion.

I acknowledged the difficulty in making a decision either way, but not every situation is the same and not every woman holds the same perspective. Some, believe it or not, see no sense in having two victims of a rape and find a way to either consider the child a blessing to them or a blessing to someone else. Having an abortion also leads to the possibility of not only suffering the shame and trauma of being raped, but the shame and trauma of taking a child's life. There is nothing insane about a rape victim carrying a child to term. It may not be for everyone, maybe not even for most - but it's certainly not insane. And in the midst of all of it, the child has no choice at all.

excon
Oct 3, 2008, 03:42 PM
What does Sarah Palin read? Hello spit:

A script!

excon

speechlesstx
Oct 3, 2008, 04:43 PM
Hello spit:

A script!

And she didn't even need her teleprompter. :D

Wondergirl
Oct 3, 2008, 05:28 PM
Do I sense left wing desperation here?
It was Sarah who was desperate to come up with a name.

inthebox
Oct 3, 2008, 08:17 PM
How religious she is what scare's me to death. To sit there and say abortion should be Illegal even in a case where a 15 year old girl is raped by her uncle and gets pregnant is absolutely insane.

How could you torture someone like that? It's bad enough that a 15 year old girl would have to mentally relive that everyday, but to make them relive it physically everyday for 9 months goes beyond torture in my opinion.




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Less than 1% of all abortions are due to rape or incest. Furthermore, since conception doesn’t occur immediately after intercourse, pregnancy can be prevented in nearly all rape cases by medical treatments including the morning after pill (MAP).





Spit - you were once a fetus - how would you feel if your mother "CHOSE" to abort you?

Wondergirl
Oct 3, 2008, 08:30 PM
spitvenom=since conception doesn't occur immediately after intercourse
Not necessarily true, depending on what you mean by "immediately." The main benefit of MAPs is the prevention of implantation of the fertilized egg..

spitvenom
Oct 4, 2008, 04:20 AM
If my mom decided to abort me I wouldn't feel anything because I would be dead.
Speech the woman should have a choice. Of course some will regret it and it is not an easy choice but it should still be a woman's choice.
Ex that is the best line I have heard so far.

speechlesstx
Oct 4, 2008, 05:20 AM
If my mom decided to abort me i wouldn't feel anything because i would be dead.
Speech the woman should have a choice. Of course some will regret it and it is not an easy choice but it should still be a womans choice.
Ex that is the best line i have heard so far.

And one of those choices is to have the baby, but you think that's insane.

speechlesstx
Oct 4, 2008, 05:21 AM
It was Sarah who was desperate to come up with a name.

And that's why she's unqualified?

Galveston1
Oct 4, 2008, 11:11 AM
I told you libs you would have egg on your face after the vp debate. You didn't trust me!

Wondergirl
Oct 4, 2008, 07:10 PM
I told you libs you would have egg on your face after the vp debate. You didn't trust me!
*wiping the egg off Gal's chin*

spitvenom
Oct 6, 2008, 01:48 PM
And one of those choices is to have the baby, but you think that's insane.

To have an inbred baby because of rape, yes that is insane.

speechlesstx
Oct 6, 2008, 02:15 PM
To have an inbred baby because of rape, yes that is insane.

Who said anything about "inbred?" You guys get more and more dramatic all the time.

Wondergirl
Oct 6, 2008, 02:25 PM
Who said anything about "inbred?" You guys get more and more dramatic all the time.
The comment from Sarah Palin had mentioned rape and incest. Incest would assume rape, and a resulting child would be inbred. Do you want her actual quote?

excon
Oct 6, 2008, 02:38 PM
Do you want her actual quote?Hello Wgirl:

I would. You betcha, golly gee.;);)

excon

speechlesstx
Oct 6, 2008, 03:06 PM
The comment from Sarah Palin had mentioned rape and incest. Incest would assume rape, and a resulting child would be inbred. Do you want her actual quote?

We assume too much, incest may likely involve rape but it doesn't assume rape. I only referred to rape victims in saying it isn't insane, "there is nothing insane about a rape victim carrying a child to term." Is there? What is insane about it? In fact, why is it necessarily insane to carry a child from an incestuous relationship? They aren't all defective children, do they hold no value?

Wondergirl
Oct 6, 2008, 03:08 PM
Hello Wgirl:

I would. You betcha, golly gee.;);)

excon
Here you go, exy.

GIBSON: In the time I have left, I want to talk about some social issues.

PALIN: OK.

GIBSON: Roe v. Wade, do you think it should be reversed?

PALIN: I think it should and I think that states should be able to decide that issue... I am pro-life. I do respect other people's opinion on this, also, and I think that a culture of life is best for America... What I want to do, when elected vice president, with John McCain, hopefully, be able to reach out and work with those who are on the other side of this issue, because I know that we can all agree on the need for and the desire for fewer abortions in America and greater support for adoption, for other alternatives that women can and should be empowered to embrace, to allow that culture of life. That's my opinion on this, Charlie.

GIBSON: John McCain would allow abortion in cases of rape and incest. Do you believe in it only in the case where the life of the mother is in danger?

PALIN: That is my opinion.

GIBSON: Would you change and accept it in rape and incest?

PALIN: My opinion is that abortion allowed if the life of the mother is endangered. Please understand me on this. I do understand McCain's position on this. I do understand others who are very passionate about this issue who have a differing.

Wondergirl
Oct 6, 2008, 03:12 PM
In fact, why is it necessarily insane to carry a child from an incestuous relationship? They aren't all defective children, do they hold no value?
I sure would not want my daughter to carry to term a child her father sired. Of course, I would have made sure such a thing never happened in the first place.

And yes, incest is often a form of rape, especially between adult and under-age child. Rape doesn't have to involve screaming and fighting.

jillianleab
Oct 6, 2008, 04:13 PM
We assume too much, incest may likely involve rape but it doesn't assume rape. I only referred to rape victims in saying it isn't insane, "there is nothing insane about a rape victim carrying a child to term." Is there? What is insane about it? In fact, why is it necessarily insane to carry a child from an incestuous relationship? They aren't all defective children, do they hold no value?

It's not insane for a woman to carry a child who resulted from rape, even if it was a result of incest. It's her body it's her choice, and if she chooses to carry the child, she should be allowed that right. Having that choice, however, should come with the ability to choose the alternative - termination.

jillianleab
Oct 6, 2008, 04:15 PM
Oh, wait, forgot to comment on the actual topic:

Sarah Palin should have thrown out some names. Yes, it might have looked like she was endorsing a few publications, but at least it wouldn't have made her look like an idiot (which is what dodging the question did, IMO).

speechlesstx
Oct 6, 2008, 04:44 PM
And yes, incest is often a form of rape, especially between adult and under-age child. Rape doesn't have to involve screaming and fighting.

Then we agree, "often" or "likely" but we don't "assume" it would be rape. Right?

speechlesstx
Oct 6, 2008, 04:46 PM
It's not insane for a woman to carry a child who resulted from rape, even if it was a result of incest. It's her body it's her choice, and if she chooses to carry the child, she should be allowed that right. Having that choice, however, should come with the ability to choose the alternative - termination.

Thanks Jillian, that's an answer I can respect.

NeedKarma
Oct 6, 2008, 04:46 PM
Then we agree, "often" or "likely" but we don't "assume" it would be rape. Right?
If you don't think that incest is rape then what do you think incest is? Parental love taken a little too far?

Wondergirl
Oct 6, 2008, 05:34 PM
Then we agree, "often" or "likely" but we don't "assume" it would be rape. Right?
More likely than not, incest would be rape. "Not rape" could be incest between siblings.

I sure hope Sarah Palin reads The Week. It's one of my favorite news magazines. Maybe I'll spring for a gift subscription for her for Christmas.

speechlesstx
Oct 7, 2008, 05:07 AM
If you don't think that incest is rape then what do you think incest is? Parental love taken a little too far?

Nice try, NK, but your lame attempts to make me look silly just keep falling flat.

incest (http://www.tfd.com/incest): 1. Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom.
2. The statutory crime of sexual relations with such a near relative.

rape (http://www.tfd.com/rape): 1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.

Not all incest is by "force" or "abusive." I did say "likely" however.

NeedKarma
Oct 7, 2008, 05:10 AM
Not all incest is by "force" or "abusive." I did say "likely" however.So some incest is consentual then? How does that situation happen?

tomder55
Oct 7, 2008, 05:37 AM
NK do you really need it detailed ?

NeedKarma
Oct 7, 2008, 05:42 AM
NK do you really need it detailed ?Don't need gory details but give me a situation.

speechlesstx
Oct 7, 2008, 05:44 AM
So some incest is consentual then? How does that situation happen?

Um, brother-sister, cousins, any number of combinations, NK.

jillianleab
Oct 7, 2008, 05:45 AM
There have been instances of siblings engaging in sexual relations in which they both consented. Incest? Yes. Rape? No, provided both parties were of age to consent. Is that the likely or frequent case in instances of incest? I'm going to guess, no.

What does this have to do with Sarah Palin and her lack of reading materials?

NeedKarma
Oct 7, 2008, 05:50 AM
Um, brother-sister, cousins, any number of combinations, NK.To be honest I personally don't consider cousin-cousin to be incest. A brother-sister sexual relationship occurring on it's own is a symptom of a seriously dysfunctional family which would be a terrible legacy for parenting a child. While I agree that it is not rape per se I'd still be pro-choice in this situation.

speechlesstx
Oct 7, 2008, 06:57 AM
There have been instances of siblings engaging in sexual relations in which they both consented. Incest? Yes. Rape? No, provided both parties were of age to consent. Is that the likely or frequent case in instances of incest? I'm going to guess, no.

What does this have to do with Sarah Palin and her lack of reading materials?

I don't know, Spit was worried about "How religious she is" which apparently means it's time to discuss abortion.

spitvenom
Oct 7, 2008, 07:07 AM
Speech Post #26 Gal said we were afraid of Palin and I said what I was afraid of. I didn't mean to take my own thread and turn it into an abortion discussion. But you rightfully so defended your position and of course I am going to answer back. So how about we end it now and we will agree to disagree.

speechlesstx
Oct 7, 2008, 07:32 AM
I'm OK with that.

spitvenom
Oct 7, 2008, 07:34 AM
Now On to our next disagreement!! ;)

speechlesstx
Oct 7, 2008, 07:41 AM
:)

excon
Oct 7, 2008, 07:43 AM
Hello again:

Aw, gee. Group hug!! Isn't it better now?

excon

NeedKarma
Oct 7, 2008, 07:44 AM
All better. I'm off to kiss my cousin. :)

spitvenom
Oct 7, 2008, 07:47 AM
Nothing says loving like marryin your cousin!!