View Full Version : Is this Ignorance or fear?
rex123
Sep 29, 2008, 02:42 AM
Why is it that when I walk my dog in town so many people give me dirty looks? When I told my mom about how so many people do this she told me I was just imagining it, yet yesterday when my cousin came for a walk with us she noticed it to. At fist she would say why are them people giving us dirty looks? Then she said I think they're looking at the dog. Is it that these people are afraid or something else. Also when we were walikng down mainstreet many kids would run up and ask to pet the dog, and it was good that they asked, but I wanted to tell them not to run up to a strange dog(it could spook the dog and make them defensive) but would it be rude for me to say?
tickle
Sep 29, 2008, 03:06 AM
You have to tell therm, no you can't pet the dog, and then tell th them it is very bad to startle an animal.
rex123
Sep 29, 2008, 03:44 AM
Why is it that I can not let them pet the dog? He loves children, and the attention, it isn't him that gets startled, I just know that some dogs do get startled. But not him he's great with kids.
tickle
Sep 29, 2008, 03:50 AM
Rex, I never let ANYONE pat my dog. Although I know she is pretty well laid back and friendly, animals, no matter how you think of them are unpredictable and dogs can sense more then we do. What if rex bit a kid because the kid patted him ? Rex would be in deep trouble.
I am not saying rex is like that, but you just never know and should not take the chance your dog may not like the person, for whatever reason, that wants to interact.
You would be devastated if something happened to rex,you know that. So just stay cool on the patting issue.
tickle
Sep 29, 2008, 03:57 AM
I meant to ask you, rex, what did you mean by your title 'ignorance or... '. What would they be ignorant of ? Just wondering. People in your neck of the woods should know what a Siberian Huksy is, and not fear the dog.
rex123
Sep 29, 2008, 04:01 AM
I wouldn'T be so sure people have thought my dog was a wolf hybrid before. And others have said bad stuff about him because of his breed, they say huskies are number 4(or 5 I can't remember) on the most dangerous breeds list.
tickle
Sep 29, 2008, 04:15 AM
I have never heard that. Some people could be jealous of your good rapport and association with your dog.
Fr_Chuck
Sep 29, 2008, 06:26 AM
Huskies one of the most lovable dogs I know of, loyal to a fault. They can get somewhat protective as many dogs do.
But no one should ever allow people, esp children to just walk up and pet their dogs, they should always help teach them to ASK permission first.
And you are correct to allow people to merely run up and pet any dog is dumb.
froggy7
Sep 29, 2008, 08:02 AM
I have never heard that. Some people could be jealous of your good rapport and association with your dog.
Surprising what you find when you look at actual numbers. Husky-type dogs are number 4 on a list of reported dog-attack fatalities, with malamutes at number 5. Pitbull-types, rottweilers, and GSDs are numbers 1-3.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
froggy7
Sep 29, 2008, 08:04 AM
Oh... and an easy answer to the kids is to tell them that they need to ask before petting a stranger's dog, and you need them to get permission from their parents first.
SweetDee
Sep 29, 2008, 09:32 AM
Maybe they're all staring at you because your dog is so beautiful!
I mean, that pic I assume IS of your dog, no? He's so handsome!
They're jelouse!
rex123
Sep 29, 2008, 10:55 AM
Thank you all sorry I couldn't post during the day I was at school. I will tell the kids next time about not running up to dogs. But I'm sorry tickle but I think its good for rex to have children pet him, it makes him more sociable.
JudyKayTee
Sep 29, 2008, 11:11 AM
Surprising what you find when you look at actual numbers. Husky-type dogs are number 4 on a list of reported dog-attack fatalities, with malamutes at number 5. Pitbull-types, rottweilers, and GSDs are numbers 1-3.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf
That's a 1998 report - the more recent statistics are somewhat different. I believe the latest list eleased last year.
I work a lot of dog bites - the worst bites I have ever seen have been by Akitas; yes, worse than Pits.
The most I see by one breed is by Labs. I think it's a combination of a LOT of labs out there (so numbers alone rule) and people are more comfortable, less standoff-ish about labs, wander over and get bitten.
I have German Shepherds - I am always telling people (kids and adult alike) NOT to come up to them unless I give the sit/stay command and the dog is OK with the whole approach. I'm always amazed at people in the Vet's office who let their kids wander around HUGGING strangers' dogs!
And my all time favorite stupid question is, "Does that dog bite?" You're darned if you say yes and darned if you say no. I say, "Just leave her alone."
My niece has three Huskies and people always ask her if they are full blooded wolves.
rex123
Sep 29, 2008, 11:19 AM
I agree with you about the labs. I think everyone thinks that labs are the all around perfect dog therefore they do not treat them as a dog but more of a person.
JudyKayTee
Sep 29, 2008, 11:23 AM
I agree with you about the labs. I think everyone thinks that labs are the all around perfect dog therefore they do not treat them as a dog but more of a person.
While I'm on a rant - do you run into adults who say to children, "Leave that dog alone or that dog will bite you?"
Now the kid grows up traumatized and everyone within hearing range moves back about 3 feet and I'm SURE other people think the adult has some sort of insider knowledge about my dogs.
rex123
Sep 29, 2008, 11:39 AM
Oh god!! Let me tell you a story. A couple weeks ago(could be a month by now) there was a money raising BBQ and carwash(for breast cancer) at the sobeys my dad works at. So me and my cousin decided to walk around town with my dog Rex and then walk back to sobeys. So we went around town and when we got to sobeys and where they were washing the cars(where my dad was) I stood there waiting to tell him we got back and people started whispering about my dog so me and my cousin went and sat on the tailgate of my dads truck. We were sitting there(rex was at my feet tail waging tongue hanging out just lovin' life) when a mother walked by with her daughter and said that's a big dog(now normally I would reply) however I didn'T, I didn't even look up I just kept my eyes on rex because of her tone of voice(as if to say he shouldn't be aloud in town), then she looked to her daughter and said see he smells your fear, at that I looked up and gave her the dirtiest looks, my cousin sat there laughing and after they walked away I asked my cousin why she laughed she then stated, rex wasn't even looking at them, and his tail was wagging. I then got a laugh at of it myself thinking about how foolish that lady was.
Now here's the kicker, they had a small dog with them, and one of her other daughters were walking with it and it barked at rex the whole time we were there, rex just ignored it never even looked at it, and so they had to throw it in there van cause it wouldn't stop barking and growling at us. I don'T know what she thinks but on that day I could control my 65 pounds(of muscle) ``aggressive``(yeah right) husky and she couldn't even control her 8 pound what I believe was a maltese.
starbuck8
Sep 29, 2008, 03:51 PM
I bet that little Maltese could've been more dangerous than Rex! It's all about training, and the energy that the pack leader is feeding through the leash to their dog. If you see a child running up, and you feel nervous, your dog can get very nervous and become aggressive.
I don't think there is anything wrong with kids and other people coming up to pet Rex, as long as you stop the kids and tell them they cannot approach a dog that way. Well, and as long as their parents don't have a lot of nervous energy themselves, and give permission. The kids need to know that they need to approach calmly, otherwise they are not allowed. They cannot feed excited energy to Rex.
I know a bit about how you have trained Rex, and that you have put a lot of work into training him, and he knows you are his pack leader.
As far as the people that give you dirty looks? Just ignore them and pass by, just like you would do with another dog that is trying to instigate a fight. It's their problem, not yours.
Alty
Sep 29, 2008, 04:16 PM
I have to say, that although certain breeds are more prone to violence, I still say it's the owner, not the dog.
I've met pitbulls that are as gentle as a lamb, and poodles that will rip your head off if given a chance.
I have two lab crosses, my older one who is predominantly lab has never even nipped someone. He's 13 years old, the neighborhood kids would come up to him when he was on a line on our property and they'd ride him like a horse. Never even a nip to say "get off!" When I caught them doing this I made sure that they knew that this was not okay behaviour. I have to say, if anyone ever came up to me and said that Indy bit them, I'd have to ask "What the heck did you do to him?"
Now Jasper is predominantly Border collie, mixed with lab. He's a sweet dog, most of the time, but he's temperamental. He's never "bitten" but he has nipped. I don't completely trust him if someone where to come up and ask to pet him. We got him from the shelter, he was an abused dog, he's never quite gotten over it completely.
It's up to dog owners to insure that their pets don't have the opportunity to bite. If that means muzzling a breed that is considered vicious while walking, then that will just protect you and your dog. I don't like it either, but some people are so afraid that their fear alone will solicit a bite from a dog.
Either that, or hope for the best. All it takes is one bite and that's it, your dog has a record.
We have to remember that they are animals and unpredictable, even if the most well mannered dog in the world.
froggy7
Sep 29, 2008, 09:45 PM
I have German Shepherds - I am always telling people (kids and adult alike) NOT to come up to them unless I give the sit/stay command and the dog is OK with the whole approach. I'm always amazed at people in the Vet's office who let their kids wander around HUGGING strangers' dogs!
Trust me, I know what you mean. Trink's a gorgeous dog, and a big one, and when we go to the dog park I have to police kids very carefully, because they love to come running up to her and hug her and hang all over her. Thankfully she is a calm and patient dog, but I wince whenever I see it and try and get her away to a different part of the park.
But at least I have it better than the small dog owners. I've seen kids (generally tween girls) in the small dog section of the park who seem to have a goal to pick up and cuddle every dog in the park. I always wonder what the doxie owners think of that, since you want to be careful of how you pick them up to prevent back problems. And wonder what's going to happen the day they pick up a bad-tempered dog and get bit in the face.
And don't even get me started on parents who let toddlers wander (generally barefoot!) in a dog park, watch them get into the middle of a group of dogs, and then get upset when the kid gets knocked over when the dogs tear off in a chase.
SweetDee
Sep 30, 2008, 08:01 AM
Well, EVERYONE is making such smart remarks and opinions I have to add to this thread...
Froggy7, I must agree w/ EVERYTHING YOU SAID... it's always alarming to me to try and comprehend the mind set of a mom letting their little kids wander about the park hugging random strange dogs. What ARE they thinking? It's an accident waiting to happen... God forbid!
Altenweg, I used to go to this huge property before it was developed and it was known as a doggy walking path/park. I came across all types of breeds, specifically this one particular Pittbull. He was a tender soul, that sweet lovable critter... lol. His daddy raised him as if he were a soft poodle... and w/ a dog like that it's best to bring out their sweet side.
I have one specific dog that I would NOT trust around men... he needs to be leashed in public and kept on a "tight command". He can definitely go out in public, but this boy was a rescue as well and he's the type of dog that needs a solid handler... Kids are safe up to a certain age, if they are boys... It's all about the trainer and their range of capability, in terms of what breed they are suited to adopt and which breed they need to pass on...
Having said that... any breed, (ie: a lab or maltese even) can be aggressive and a biter if there is a lack of leadership in the training department...
Silverfoxkit
Sep 30, 2008, 10:32 AM
I guess the community you live in has a lot to do with how people perceive your pets. I don't receive negative attitudes about my huskies at all! In fact I get quite the opposite. 99% compliments and smiles. Every now and then there's the rare Ah! WOLF! Reaction, but only once in a blue moon. They inspire so much happiness that I would like to get them trained as therapy dogs. They have been well socialized since day one and are the most tolerant, loving, gentle souls I have ever had the pleasure of being around. I couldn't fathom people treating my babies like they do yours!
As far as any one breed being worse then others, I've been bitten by countless chihuahuas, and I was attacked by a black lab when I was a kid. I also know someone who was attacked by a golden retriever! People need to realize that ANY animal, even your neighborhood "Buddy" is capable of causing harm if not trained right. You can avoid pitt bulls all day and it won't make you any safer for it if you aren't wary of every other breed.
SweetDee
Oct 3, 2008, 04:52 AM
Silverfoxkit, your pic of your Husky is beautiful... what a stunning dog!
rex123
Oct 3, 2008, 05:25 AM
Silverfoxkit now that I read your post I have been bitten by a golden retriever. It was actually my neighbour's dog it had a small pill bottle in its mouth so I went to take it out(I was afraid he would choke on it) but when it let go of the pill bottle, he clamped his mouth on my finger, I was very surprised he would do this because he's normally a very calm dog, now if he has stuff in his mouth I just leave it there. This can sometimes prove difficult though because when I'm playing catch with rex he comes over and takes the toys, and so I'll be standing there saying drop it and my dog will be in back of me barking at him to drop it, sometimes I can just throw a rock and he'll let go of rex's toys but not always. Oh and sweetdee I'm not so young I'm 16, although rex is solely mine, he is registered under my name.
rex123
Oct 24, 2008, 06:04 AM
I know I wrote this question I while back but it still bothers me how some people are afraid of rex. There was a woman in town the other day who came up to him and asked to pet him, I said yes and got him to sit down, however when she came closser he gave the trademark husky hello howl, and unfortunately she saw it as a warning growl. I tried to explain to her that it was the way they said hello but she didn't listen.
A good thing though is that rex is getting better around other dogs, he was never aggressive but he was the type that would ''woo woo'' and pull towards the other dogs, now however it seems he can walk by them without any reaction except for alertness, he just watches them pass by, and the other dogs seem to react more to him then he does to them, I find it helps also if I say hello to the owners of the other dogs, before they say hi to me.
templelane
Oct 24, 2008, 06:41 AM
I think bigger dogs tend to get a worse reputation because if something does go wrong there is a much bigger potential for damage. I remember reading somewhere and it made sense to me that you get your pit bull, Alsatian dogs top of the dog bite polls because those are the ones that get taken to hospital and therefore reported and make the polld. All the smaller breads which can be just as nasty if badly trained/provoked just don't inflict the same damage/ are easier to restrain.
It does annoy me though that some people (usually the type of want an accessory not a pet) allow their miniatures to get away with aggressive behaviour.
I was taught an important lesson about asking to pet a dog when I met a drug sniffer dog. It was a lovely looking cocker spaniel- much like my own so I assumed it was tame. I leant in to pet it and one of the soldiers shouted, "watch that dog had somebody's ear off last week!" It turns out they are no allowed to discipline them because they need to think everything is a game. I'm lucky I didn't lose an ear or nose too!
As for the people staring- it's there problem! Sad individuals with nothing better to do!
Although sometimes it is easy as a stranger to the dog to mis read their body language. I was scared of my friend's Alsatian for a long time because I thoagth he was barking aggressively because his ears were pinned back. It turned out the poor thing was just the runt of the litter and they never stood up. All that time I thought he was going to kill me he was just saying hello.
He always suffered form a bad reaction by other dogs because of this too. They assumed he was being aggressive like I did. We always had to watch out on wlaks because he got attacked a lot.
SweetDee
Oct 24, 2008, 06:47 AM
Why would people be afraid of rex if he's a sweet dog?
rex123
Oct 24, 2008, 06:59 AM
Some people around here are just like that. Even when we went up to my cousin house, and rex came with us one day me and my cousin went in town, I walked rex and she walker her dog(a small about 30 pounds mixed breed) we were waiting outside the mall(for my mom) and people were walking into the mall and one guy came up passed by rex and went to pet my cousin's dog and it growled at him. And most people did that just passed by rex and went to pet my cousin's dog who didn't seem to want the attention. There were some kids though who walked by us asked their parents if they could pet(the husky dog as thy called it) but the parents told them no, so when they were driving away they wound down their winow and said ''Bye puppy'' and I told rex to speak and he did the whole howling thing and they got a kick out of it they thought it was so cute.
SweetDee
Oct 24, 2008, 07:09 AM
It IS so cute when they howl. You can make your dog do that? That's cool.
I make my Shepherd talk, it's a more whiney sound... like in the old movie, K-9 with Jim Belushi. LMAOOOO!