View Full Version : Palin to address anti-Mahdi Hatter rally in NY Monday
tomder55
Sep 17, 2008, 04:30 AM
She will attend a rally protesting the appearance of the Preident of Iran ,Mahmoud Ahmamadjihad at the opening session of the U.N .:mad: The rally will take place at the Dag Hammarskjold Plaza, across from the UN building (the biggest waste of prime real estate in N.Y.)
Originally Evita was also scheduled to address the rally but she chickened out when she heard Palin was to attend.:p The unelected Governor of NY ,David Patterson ,and Mayor (I deserve another term) Bloomberg will also be in attendance.
Clinton blindsided by scheduled event with Palin|NewsChannel 8 (http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0908/554112.html)
Tuesday John McCain will escort Palin to the U.N. and introduce the next Vice President of the United States:D to the collective free and jackbooted leaders ,and various missfits of the planet ,that are the membership of the U.N. McCain will then go solo to the' stroke Bill Clintoon's ego 'event.:eek:
McCain at Bill Clinton Event - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/mccain-at-bill-clinton-event/)
Yeah it's pathetic all right .But it shows McCain as the one reaching across the aisle and courting the larger electorate. The Democrats are making a blunder by having Evita skip the rally .
All this comes at a time when polling numbers are putting some of the bluest of the blue states on the electoral college map in play for the Republicans . It really is shocking to consider that the McCain /Palin ticket has pulled within 5 points in NY and 3 points in NJ. Both are supposed to be locks for BO . I am sure he never planned to spend that Hollywierd money to defend his own turf. Normally NY is good for a 15 point romp by the Dems. The NY Republican party is pathetically lame.
But more to the point. It would've sent a great message to the women of the world ;the ummah ,and especially to Iranian women to have 2 of the leading women politicians ,from both parties standing in solitarity for the freedom of the oppressed people of Iran. Evita should suck it up and attend the rally . This is greater than domestic politics.
speechlesstx
Sep 17, 2008, 10:32 AM
"Clinton aides were furious."
Yeah, that's how we stand up to terrorists in a nonpartisan way as Americans, get PO'd that a member of the other party was invited. Somehow I suspect Palin knew Clinton would be there and graciously accepted the opportunity. You nailed the point exactly in your closing,
tomder55
Sep 17, 2008, 12:03 PM
A spokesperson for the John McCain campaign, Tracey Schmitt, responded to Evita's cancellation with "Governor Palin believes that the danger of a nuclear Iran is greater than party or politics. She hopes that all parties can rally together in opposition to this grave threat."
She could have shown up in a non-partisan manner, but I doubt the Obama campaign wanted her being seen on the same side of any issue as Palin. Which raises the question ;was this move her decision or has she come under the control of the Obama campaign ?
speechlesstx
Sep 18, 2008, 07:59 PM
It appears the Clintons got their way, Palin was disinvited (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/18/palin_disinvited_from_anti-ira.html)... and naturally the Obama campaign accuse McCain of "another dishonorable lie."
This alleged "dishonorable lie" that the invitation was "withdrawn under pressure from Democratic partisans" is supported by the facts (http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/110433.html).
The National Jewish Democratic Council (http://www.njdc.org/) defended Clinton's decision not to attend and called for Palin to be disinvited (http://www.njdc.org/media/entry/palin_invite) so as to preserve the nonpartisan nature of the effort to halt Iran's nuclear ambitions.
Wouldn't Palin and Clinton both appearing at the same event to stand against the Mahdi Hatter have been a good thing? We know which side threw a fit, so again which side is really interested in reaching across party lines to do what needs to be done and which side is "just words?"
tomder55
Sep 19, 2008, 02:54 AM
Malcolm Hoenlein genuinely saw the pairing Palin, and Evita as an appropriate match for the event in an attempt to make it a bipartisan rally. Iam disappointed by this turn of events and would've preferred he not bow to the Democrat pressure.
excon
Sep 19, 2008, 05:42 AM
Hello wingers:
Of course you'd like to see YOUR candidate standing alongside a person of Hillary's stature. I'm sorry you're so disappointed...
excon
tomder55
Sep 19, 2008, 05:44 AM
If Evita is of such "stature" then why did she feel threatened ?
excon
Sep 19, 2008, 05:48 AM
Hello tom:
YOU say she was threatened. I say she just didn't want to lend credence to Palin.
But you keep making up stuff. Gives me something to do.
excon
tomder55
Sep 19, 2008, 06:23 AM
Credence ? This was a rally to protest the Mahdi hatter ,not a political event. There are going to be plenty of people from both parties there. I think the real issue here is that John McCain is up 57% in new polling of NY Jewish voters and Palin would've outshined her on the stump.
excon
Sep 19, 2008, 06:29 AM
Hello again, tom:
Palin would have outshined Clinton?? Boy, you got to be smokin something better than mine.
However, grabbing for straws gives me hope. Usually, you're right on with your critique.
excon
tomder55
Sep 19, 2008, 06:30 AM
Now we find out that Biden was invited after Evita had dropped out . But he also refused to be there .The question is: Was Hoenlein put in this position to disinvite Palin because of a decision by the Obama team to treat Sarah Palin as though she were not a legitimate political figure with whom major Democratic politicians can or should share the stage?That is a terrible insult if true . They may not like her ;but even if she were not a VEEP candidate she is still Governor of one of the States ;a chief executive position.
Preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons should be a shared goal of both parties and if they can't get together on that then there is nothing they can.
I think people will see this slap at Palin for what it is . The Dems have shot themselves in the foot again.
tomder55
Sep 21, 2008, 03:12 AM
wcbstv.com - Sources: Intense Pressure Led To Palin UN Snub (http://wcbstv.com/local/clinton.palin.event.2.821565.html)
Hillary Clinton won't be speaking at Monday's anti-Iran rally at the United Nations -- and neither will Republican Sarah Palin or any other politicians for that matter.
The reason? A heated behind the scenes tug-of-war.
Sources tell CBS 2 HD that a decision to disinvite Palin from the high profile rally after Clinton pulled out in a huff came as the result of intense pressure from Democrats.
"This is insulting. This is embarrassing, especially to Gov. Palin, to me and I think it should be to every single New Yorker," Assemblyman Dov Hikind, D-Brooklyn, told CBS 2 HD.
Sources say the axes were out for Palin as soon as Sen. Clinton pulled out because she did not want to attend the same event as the Republican vice presidential candidate.
"I have never seen such raw emotion -- on both sides," said someone close to the situation.
The groups sponsoring the rally against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaking at the UN were reportedly told, "it could jeopardize their tax exempt status" if they had Palin and not Clinton or Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden on hand.
So all politicians were disinvited, most prominently, Palin.
"It's an absolute shame that this has happened," Hikind said. "To threaten organizations … to threaten the Conference of Presidents that if you don't withdraw the invitation to Gov. Palin we're going to look into your tax exempt status … that's McCarthyism."
Another Jewish group tried to step into the breach by inviting Palin to a different protest a day earlier.
"I'm absolutely appalled at the behavior of the Democrats," said Bob Kunst of Defenders.net. "I'm a Democrat and for the first time in my life I'm going to vote Republican. I can't take it anymore."
As for Sen. Clinton, she brushed right past CBS 2 HD's Lou Young when he tried to ask her about the issue on Thursday night.
Lou Young: "Were the organizers of Monday's rally right to depoliticize it?"
Clinton walked past Young, said "Thank you all very much" and started hugging people.
Clinton's people tell CBS 2 HD she intends to make some statement of support for the protestors. She is also expected to attack Ahmadinejad's pro-nuke, anti-Israel stance.
tomder55
Sep 22, 2008, 04:50 AM
Here are the remarks Palin would've said had she been allowed to attend :
I am honored to be with you and with leaders from across this great country — leaders from different faiths and political parties united in a single voice of outrage.
Tomorrow, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will come to New York — to the heart of what he calls the Great Satan — and speak freely in this, a country whose demise he has called for.
Ahmadinejad may choose his words carefully, but underneath all of the rhetoric is an agenda that threatens all who seek a safer and freer world. We gather here today to highlight the Iranian dictator's intentions and to call for action to thwart him.
He must be stopped.
The world must awake to the threat this man poses to all of us. Ahmadinejad denies that the Holocaust ever took place. He dreams of being an agent in a "Final Solution" — the elimination of the Jewish people. He has called Israel a "stinking corpse" that is "on its way to annihilation." Such talk cannot be dismissed as the ravings of a madman — not when Iran just this summer tested long-range Shahab-3 missiles capable of striking Tel Aviv, not when the Iranian nuclear program is nearing completion, and not when Iran sponsors terrorists that threaten and kill innocent people around the world.
The Iranian government wants nuclear weapons. The International Atomic Energy Agency reports that Iran is running at least 3,800 centrifuges and that its uranium enrichment capacity is rapidly improving. According to news reports, U.S. intelligence agencies believe the Iranians may have enough nuclear material to produce a bomb within a year.
The world has condemned these activities. The United Nations Security Council has demanded that Iran suspend its illegal nuclear enrichment activities. It has levied three rounds of sanctions. How has Ahmadinejad responded? With the declaration that the "Iranian nation would not retreat one iota" from its nuclear program.
So, what should we do about this growing threat? First, we must succeed in Iraq .If we fail there, it will jeopardize the democracy the Iraqis have worked so hard to build, and empower the extremists in neighboring Iran. Iran has armed and trained terrorists who have killed our soldiers in Iraq, and it is Iran that would benefit from an American defeat in Iraq.
If we retreat without leaving a stable Iraq, Iran's nuclear ambitions will be bolstered. If Iran acquires nuclear weapons — they could share them tomorrow with the terrorists they finance, arm, and train today. Iranian nuclear weapons would set off a dangerous regional nuclear arms race that would make all of us less safe.
But Iran is not only a regional threat; it threatens the entire world. It is the no. 1 state sponsor of terrorism. It sponsors the world's most vicious terrorist groups, Hamas and Hezbollah. Together, Iran and its terrorists are responsible for the deaths of Americans in Lebanon in the 1980s, in Saudi Arabia in the 1990s, and in Iraq today. They have murdered Iraqis, Lebanese, Palestinians, and other Muslims who have resisted Iran's desire to dominate the region. They have persecuted countless people simply because they are Jewish.
Iran is responsible for attacks not only on Israelis, but on Jews living as far away as Argentina. Anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial are part of Iran's official ideology and murder is part of its official policy. Not even Iranian citizens are safe from their government's threat to those who want to live, work, and worship in peace. Politically-motivated abductions, torture, death by stoning, flogging, and amputations are just some of its state-sanctioned punishments.
It is said that the measure of a country is the treatment of its most vulnerable citizens. By that standard, the Iranian government is both oppressive and barbaric. Under Ahmadinejad's rule, Iranian women are some of the most vulnerable citizens.
If an Iranian woman shows too much hair in public, she risks being beaten or killed.
If she walks down a public street in clothing that violates the state dress code, she could be arrested.
But in the face of this harsh regime, the Iranian women have shown courage. Despite threats to their lives and their families, Iranian women have sought better treatment through the "One Million Signatures Campaign Demanding Changes to Discriminatory Laws." The authorities have reacted with predictable barbarism. Last year, women's rights activist Delaram Ali was sentenced to 20 lashes and 10 months in prison for committing the crime of "propaganda against the system." After international protests, the judiciary reduced her sentence to "only" 10 lashes and 36 months in prison and then temporarily suspended her sentence. She still faces the threat of imprisonment.
Earlier this year, Senator Clinton said that "Iran is seeking nuclear weapons, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps is in the forefront of that" effort. Senator Clinton argued that part of our response must include stronger sanctions, including the designation of the IRGC as a terrorist organization. John McCain and I could not agree more.
Senator Clinton understands the nature of this threat and what we must do to confront it. This is an issue that should unite all Americans. Iran should not be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. Period. And in a single voice, we must be loud enough for the whole world to hear: Stop Iran!
Only by working together, across national, religious, and political differences, can we alter this regime's dangerous behavior. Iran has many vulnerabilities, including a regime weakened by sanctions and a population eager to embrace opportunities with the West. We must increase economic pressure to change Iran's behavior.
Tomorrow, Ahmadinejad will come to New York. On our soil, he will exercise the right of freedom of speech — a right he denies his own people. He will share his hateful agenda with the world. Our task is to focus the world on what can be done to stop him.
We must rally the world to press for truly tough sanctions at the U.N. or with our allies if Iran's allies continue to block action in the U.N. We must start with restrictions on Iran's refined petroleum imports.
We must reduce our dependency on foreign oil to weaken Iran's economic influence.
We must target the regime's assets abroad; bank accounts, investments, and trading partners.
President Ahmadinejad should be held accountable for inciting genocide, a crime under international law.
We must sanction Iran's Central Bank and the Revolutionary Guard Corps — which no one should doubt is a terrorist organization.
Together, we can stop Iran's nuclear program.
Senator McCain has made a solemn commitment that I strongly endorse: Never again will we risk another Holocaust. And this is not a wish, a request, or a plea to Israel's enemies. This is a promise that the United States and Israel will honor, against any enemy who cares to test us. It is John McCain's promise and it is my promise.
Thank you.
Palin on Ahmadinejad: 'He Must Be Stopped' - September 22, 2008 - The New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/opinion/palin-on-ahmadinejad-he-must-be-stopped/86311/)
Clearly Palins words were partisan and her praises a threat to HRC .
speechlesstx
Sep 22, 2008, 01:06 PM
Obviously a politically motivated speech designed to play to our worst fears. Here's the thing that stands out most to me after all these years of hearing about Bush's torturing, murderous, constitution shredding regime.
abductions, torture, death by stoning, flogging, and amputations are just some of its state-sanctioned punishments.
Add her words on women's rights and substitute 'Bush' for 'Ahmadinejad' and you've got a rant from Janeane Garofalo (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/09/16/janeane-garofolo-great-jail-all-republicans).