Hello wingers:

If 72 year old John McCain held his country first, why would he choose a neophyte to be his running mate? I'll tell you why. Because she appeals to his base - not his country. He's doing this because he wants to win. That means ME FIRST, country second.

In fact, if you look real close, it might be God first, ME second, and country third.

No?

excon

Many have figured that out. Except for the blind voters of party politics.

Ah... no.

According to the polls, Palin seems to appeal to the majority of the country.

Current polls show McCain/Palin ahead of Obama/Biden by anywhere from 3 to 10 points. Real Clear Politics shows them ahead by an average of 3.2%.

USA Today/Gallup has McCain/Palin at 54% to Obama/Biden's 44%. This is the first time that any poll has had either candidate over 50%.

Rasmusen has McCain 1 point ahead. CNN has them at a tie.

Palin is definitely picking up more than just the "party base". She's picking up the MAJORITY of the country.

Besides, this is a silly argument, and you know it. Every candidate wants what's best for his/her country, but what they consider best for their country is generally the policies that they agree with, which also coincides with what their base agrees with.

To put it back to you, using your own theory, Obama, who claims to be "as patriotic as McCain" and who also claims to put his country first, chose BIDEN... the third most liberal man in the Senate as his running mate? Isn't that pandering to the liberal base of the Democrats? How does that put his COUNTRY first? How does that evidence patriotism?

Like I said, it's a silly argument, and I think you know it.

Elliot

the third most liberal man in the Senate as his running mate? Isn't that pandering to the liberal base of the Democrats? How does that put his COUNTRY first? How does that evidence patriotism?Hello again, El:

You guys seem to think that conservative = patriotism, while liberalism = traitor.

You're wrong on THAT, just as you are WRONG on Sarah Palin. To suggest that you guys have a corner on patriotism, is why you're going to lose. In fact, THAT idea is such an anathema to America, it suggests to me, that it's YOUR patriotism that is subject to questioning - NOT liberals. It's a truly offensive sentiment - even hateful.

excon

Being a liberal in indeed taking care of your country and its citizens. As opposed to warmongering in foreign nations.

Hello again, El:

You guys seem to think that conservative = patriotism, while liberalism = traitor.

You're wrong on THAT, just as you are WRONG on Sarah Palin. To suggest that you guys have a corner on patriotism, is why you're going to lose. In fact, THAT idea is such an anathema to America, it suggests to me, that it's YOUR patriotism that is subject to questioning - NOT liberals. It's a truly offensive sentiment - even hateful.

excon

I have never questioned Obama's patriotism. Just his stances on the issues and his lack of experience. WHat I pointed out above is just how silly it is to say that because the candidate picked someone liked by the base, it must mean that he doesn't put his country first.

Oh, and what happens when we win. What does that say about your theory about who sees who as patriots?

I seem to remember you making the same argument regarding Kerry and Bush... that questioning Kerry's patriotism is why Bush was going to lose. (I can can go back to AW and look up the exact quotes by you if you'd like. Pretty much any conversation about the swiftboat vets will have you making this exact argument again and again.) Didn't quite work out that way, did it. I think you need a new argument, bro. This particular one has never proven out for you.

Elliot

Being a liberal in indeed taking care of your country and its citizens. As opposed to warmongering in foreign nations.

You mean like how Clinton bombed Iraq and Kosovo? Liberal like that?

Or do you mean conservative like Bush who has spent more on environmentalism and alternative fuel research than any other president in history... is that the warmongering you speak of?

Doncha hate it when the facts screw up a perfectly good bias?

Elliot

Y'know the two sides have always done a little of both. They are not really that far apart apart. US conservatives and liberal politicians will never make sweeping changes, the corporations that own your country won't let it happen. I'm not sure how you justify the other side as always being wrong and evil. I guess you're comfortable feeling that you are always correct.

Whoa now, I have never thought that “conservative = patriotism, while liberalism = traitor.” It’s more like “liberalism=hypocrisy.” :D

As for being a liberal meaning “taking care of your country and its citizens” you’re right, NK. That’s exactly what liberals want to do, take care of EVERYTHING. They want us all dependent on the government for all of our needs. They want to determine how to run our businesses, what to eat, what to think, how much air to put in our tires, what kind of health care we can have, where to send our kids to school, how to raise our children, how much money we can have, and on and on and on. No thanks, especially coming from a bunch of intolerant blowhards preaching tolerance and diversity.

As to your proposition, ex, who’s been more selfless, more sacrificing and less self-absorbed in their journey to this point? The guy that spent brutal years as a POW, adopted an abandoned Bangladeshi baby, bucked his own party numerous times, spent virtually his entire adult life serving his country – or the guy who has accomplished little more than writing two books about himself and running for president during his career as an elected official?

Whoa now, I have never thought that “conservative = patriotism, while liberalism = traitor.” It’s more like “liberalism=hypocrisy.” :D Hello Steve:

You, and Dennis (where ever he is), are still a little left of Attila the Hun. So, of course, you're a reasonable fellow...

But, you HAVE heard the above sentiment if you're paying attention.

excon

It’s more like “liberalism=hypocrisy.” Let me know if you want to repost those videos that prove the opposite.

Hello Steve:

You, and Dennis (where ever he is), are still a little left of Attila the Hun. So, of course, you're a reasonable fellow...

But, you HAVE heard the above sentiment if you're paying attention.

excon.

LOL, at least I'm still a little left of Attila the Hun.

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LOL, at least I'm still a little left of Attila the Hun.

I'm not...

"A young person who isn't liberal has no heart.
An older person who isn't a conservative has no brains."

Me... I never had a heart. It just gets in the way of analysis, logic and good decision-making.

Also: "A liberal is just a conservative who hasn't been mugged or raped yet."

I've been mugged (or at least attempts were made... the guys who tried were less than satisfied with the outcome). I don't generally believe in the "good hearts" or "general goodness" of criminals, murderers and terrorists. So I can't be a liberal.

Not sure why Sarah is a neophyte in your eyes...

But I know her... all I can say is that she is a good woman and has been a good leader in our state.

Now all this controversy that has come up (which lets face it really isn't all that controversial since half the nations kids are having sex behind their parents back and OOPS some of them get pregnant)... has shed light on "private family matters".

And most of you have either been in the same boat or known someone who has... but what I see is that Sarah is standing behind what she "preaches" even though her daughter didn't follow parental guidance...

EVERYONE GASP... this is the first time in history a kid hasn't listened to a parent.

BTW I have no affiliation with either party...

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Let me know if you want to repost those videos that prove the opposite.

You have absolutely no sense of humor, do you... other than when someone is skewering a conservative if course? No need to repost anything but if need be I can post examples (http://townhall.com/columnists/MikeSAdams/2008/07/28/a_lawsuit_a_day_keeps_the_leftist_at_bay) all day.

Hello again, AK:

I think she's a wonderful mom and a good person. I loved her speech, and like the rest of the country, I'm really taken with her, too.

But, she doesn't have the chops to run the good ole US of A. That's just so.

Now, it's TRUE, Obama doesn't have a lot of chops either. I'm not arguing about him, though. I'm arguing about John McCain. I think HE should have chosen a person who could step in without losing a beat. He IS 72, the oldest president to be inaugurated if he gets that far. And, he DOES have a propensity for skin cancer.

Given the above, I question his judgment.

excon

But, she doesn't have the chops to run the good ole US of A. That's just so.

Why? On what basis do you make that conclusion?

And what makes Obama or Biden more qualified to lead than Palin? Personally, she's got more executive experience than McCain. I'd actually prefer her at the TOP of the ticket. Why do you say she doesn't have the chops to lead? She already does, and has done so for 2 years. It's just a matter of leading a larger group. The equation doesn't change, just the number of zeros at the end of the number.

Elliot

Why? On what basis do you make that conclusion?

And what makes Obama or Biden more qualified to lead than Palin? Personally, she's got more executive experience than McCain. Hello again, El:

Executive, schmezecutive. She don't know where El Salvador is, nor anyplace else for that matter. Nuff said!!

Read above. I DON'T think Obama is more any more qualified to lead than Palin. So, THAT is your excuse for McCain's very bad choice - because Obama isn't qualified?? Really?? The Democrats made a very bad decision, so we're going to make a worse one?? You guys HAVE lost it, haven't you?

excon

I say we have a presidential lottery and citizens of the US get drawn for Presidential duty every 6 months...

Wonder how screwed up we could make the nation... LOL

I'm one of those rednecks that Obama despises, you know, holding on to God, Bible, and guns. I love Palin because she is smart, aggressive, and she stands for the same values that I hold. She can represent me because she is one of the middle class working people, and thart is rare indeed in Washington. I sure can't say that about Obama! And just how long do you think it will take her to gain the additional experience you think she needs? Maybe I'm wrong, but I bet she is a quick study!

I'm one of those rednecks that Obama despises, you know, holding on to God, Bible, and guns. I love Palin because she is smart, agressive, and she stands for the same values that I hold. She can represent me because she is one of the middle class working people, and thart is rare indeed in Washington. I sure can't say that about Obama! And just how long do you think it will take her to gain the additional experience you think she needs? Maybe I'm wrong, but I bet she is a quick study!

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Galveston, we all know your voting for John McCain. And of course that's not a revelation as I think Sarah Palin appeals to your view of common sense. Personally I don't doubt that Sarah Palin is at least of average intelligence. Thus far there's just not much info on the VP candidate and maybe that's the way John McCain campaign prefers it by design. Perhaps her college grades will eventually be disclosed. Was she a good student? I don't know. Palin apparently attended five colleges in a six years. For whatever reasons she moved around a lot. She majored in journalism with an emphasis on broadcast news. And by the way what proof do you have that she is middle class? I have yet to see any tax records. I know she cut her own governor salary down to 80k, and that her and hubby own forty percent in a car wash. I don't know what other businesses she has, investments, etc... or the total household income.

AK what part of the state are you from ? I did the cruise thing last summer hiked on the glaciers ;salmon fishing etc. and plan to return one of these days to camp in Denali .

I can't believe the hysteria by the Obots over Palin . It's hilarious !
As John Batchelor put it :

Each time Sarah Palin is attacked for being on Planet Earth, she becomes more powerful. What is happening to the Democrats is self-torment.

I'm just waiting for the scrutiny over Biden's pick . Him being in the Senate longer than the "old Guy" means there is plenty to vett. Did Obama know the relationship between the Senator and his lobbyist son ? Funny pick for someone who claims to be the candidate of change if you ask me.

I can't believe the hysteria by the Obots over Palin . It's hillarious ! I know. Just like the hysteria over Obama isn't it!

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Oh the self-torment the Repugs are feeling.

AK what part of the state are you from ? I did the cruise thing last summer hiked on the glaciers ;salmon fishing etc. and plan to return one of these days to camp in Denali .


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"In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change." Sarah Palin


Change? Well Tom, I have to admit Palin provides the Dems with humorous remarks. So that's why McCain voted with Dubya an average ninety percent of the time. Like I said before, when McCain chose Palin by doing so he shoved her feet into the coals.

Bobby . Since most of those votes are routine roll call it can be argued that Obama voted with President Bush 80% of the time. I'm sure he's proud of that !

Tom, you're crazy with hysteria about Obama!!!!!!!

Lol I'm having so much fun watching Dems squirm

Palin floats like a butterfly, stings like a bee (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/07/BALU12OCMV.DTL)

Then there was Sally Quinn who wrote a scathing article about Palin and after Palin's DNC address admitted she was wrong about Palin.

Or the fact that Zeus Obama dispatched Evita to Fla. To campaign against the McCain ticket and all she has is praise for Palin.

See? You can't talking about him!

I know. Just like the hysteria over Obama isn't it!?[/URL]

Oh the self-torment the Repugs are feeling.

Awww, thanks for promoting my posts, NK. I'm not sure why though, of those first 25 posts the subject was specifically Obama in 7 of those posts - dating back to April. Wow, I've averaged initiating 1 1/2 posts per month on Obama according to you and you call that hysteria? LOL, you've smeared me more often than that.

LOL, you've smeared me more often than that.How can it be smearing when they are threads that you started? Stand by your words man!

Or the fact that Zeus Obama dispatched Evita to Fla. To campaign against the McCain ticket and all she has is praise for Palin.Oh really?
Hillary Clinton: "No Palin!" (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/08/hillary-clinton-no-palin_n_124927.html)

"To slightly amend my comments in Denver," she said, "no way, no how, no McCain, no Palin."
Where do you get your lies from??

Here is another one from a blowhard at Huffpo.

Adam McKay: We're Gonna Frickin' Lose this Thing (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-mckay/were-gonna-frickin-lose-t_b_124772.html)

About Evita :
The Associated Press: A Hillary vs. Sarah smackdown? Don't bet on it (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i9VRMevycLjQJp8Y2KbMGAUZAV8QD932STS80)
Jonathan Martin's Blog: Hillary won't be attack dog against Palin - Politico.com (http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0908/Hillary_wont_be_attack_dog_against_Palin.html)
Clinton turns down hatchet job | The Australian (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24308598-5013948,00.html)

You guys get caught lying, disseminating false info, and being hypocritical buggers - I don't understand why anyone wants to live their life like that; is that what a republican is?

How can it be smearing when they are threads that you started? Stand by your words man!

I don't follow, NK, you're not making sense. I gave a simple contrast between what "I've" been doing and what "you've" been doing. According to your search I haven't initiated a post on Obama since July 12. You've insulted me at least twice in the last ten days, including your attempt to show my 'hysteria' and trying to portray me as a pervert (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/bristol-palin-pregnant-right-now-255481.html#post1250193). Seems you have more hysteria over me than I do over Obama.

including your attempt to show my 'hysteria' You constantly post about Obama, that constitutes hysteria in Tom's world.

and trying to portray me as a pervert (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/bristol-palin-pregnant-right-now-255481.html#post1250193). People can read your post and infer the meaning on their own.

Since you guys have come here at AMHD your main motive is to slam people and ideas that are different than yours. If that is what conservatives do then I can understand why they have enemies since it appears to be a culture of divisiveness. From the examples on this forum it seems that to be a republican is crap on everyone that is not like you. I see in McCain's campaign as well and in Palin's speech.

You constantly post about Obama, that constitutes hysteria in Tom's world.
People can read your post and infer the meaning on their own.

What part of the facts don’t you understand, NK? You linked to my posts, of which 18 of the first 25 were not about Obama and none of those in the last two months. If you’re going to accuse me you really should get your facts in order – unless you enjoy looking foolish.


Since you guys have come here at AMHD your main motive is to slam people and ideas that are different than yours. If that is what conservatives do then I can understand why they have enemies since it appears to be a culture of divisiveness. From the examples on this forum it seems that to be a republican is crap on everyone that is not like you. I see in McCain's campaign as well and in Palin's speech.

And that’s coming from someone that says "McCain…is ill and his faculties are failing (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/georgia-not-peach-state-247178-2.html#post1210756)” and calls Cindy McCain a “trollop” (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/how-about-some-speculation-just-fun-250587-2.html#post1244391)? You’ve unwittingly validated my suggestion that “liberalism=hypocrisy” by once again engaging in the very attacks you attribute to others. That my friend is exactly what contributes to the “culture of divisiveness” you claim to detest.

Bobby . Since most of those votes are routine roll call it can be argued that Obama voted with President Bush 80% of the time. I'm sure he's proud of that !

You are mistaken. According to CNN, in the past two years it was forty-seven percent of the time (40-50 % range).

PolitiFact | Obama and Bush found common ground (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/513/)

Hello wingers:

If 72 year old John McCain held his country first, why would he choose a neophyte to be his running mate? I'll tell you why. Because she appeals to his base - not his country. He's doing this because he wants to win. That means ME FIRST, country second.

In fact, if you look real close, it might be God first, ME second, and country third.

No?

Excon


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In Alaska, the Governor has line-item veto power over the budget and can only be overridden by a three-quarters majority of the Legislature. In 1992, the year Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton was elected President, his state budget was $2 billion and among the smallest in the country. Compared to that, Sarah Palin is an executive giant.

You guys get caught lying, disseminating false info, and being hypocritical buggers - I don't understand why anyone wants to live their life like that; is that what a republican is?

Specifics, NK. I don't know why anyone would want to live their life throwing out charges like this without backing it up. Is that what a liberal/progressive is, calling people liars without proof?

Specifics, NK. I don't know why anyone would want to live their life throwing out charges like this without backing it up. Is that what a liberal/progressive is, calling people liars without proof?To start see: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/john-mccains-ads-lies-heres-video-proof-259462.html

To start see: https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/john-mccains-ads-lies-heres-video-proof-259462.html

So "you guys" is McCain and not those of us here? Good to know you weren't referring to us specifically. If you want to know who the lying, hypocritical dissemenators of false info are, look here (http://www.newsbusters.org/).

So "you guys" is McCain and not those of us here? Good to know you weren't referring to us specifically. If you want to know who the lying, hypocritical dissemenators of false info are, look here (http://www.newsbusters.org/).

NewsBusters: "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias." Har-har. LOL! I guess we now know what propaganda sites are telling you what to think.

NewsBusters: "the leader in documenting, exposing and neutralizing liberal media bias." Har-har. LOL! I guess we now know what propoganda sites are telling you what to think.

Sorry NK, but nobody tells me what to think. If that were so I’d have to believe what you say :D

I remember a neophyte govenor, with no foreign policy experience. 1992 -2000.

Lets see

Wtc 1
Cole bombing
Kosovo
OBL could have been taken care of then

Many see him as a very good president ?