I read most time that usa asking why arabs hate us and they spend money to change that , and that really make me surprise .
I am an arab man and I wish that I was american and my big dream now when I am 37 years old that I can visit New York the city that I love even for one week.
And every one of my friend wish that they can be live in America.
That mean that every body here love usa too much
If we know that arab people now like 300 mielion and there is 30000 of them hate america is that mean that arabs hate america.
There is some stupied people kills inosent people in usa and they are not more 25 man when there is 5 mielion arab people living in usa ,is that mean that arab hate usa?
May be I don't agree mr boush for his way but I was loving klinton too much cause he was working to make peace that we all looking for ,but I still love usa cause I know that usa not bouch only and I am sure that mr bouch trying to make peace in his way ,even I don't agree for his way .
So why all the time usa asking why arabs hate usa?

Unfortunately the media likes to focus on sensationalism. Personally I do not know of Americans who ask "why do Arabs/Muslims hate the US?".

I believe that most people really believe that Arabs/Moslems are good people.

People are basically the same everywhere.Sure,culture,and beliefs will differ,but deep down we are all one.The problem comes with misguided attitudes,and leaders of all countries,who think they are right,and the other person is wrong.Then the press blow everything out of proportion,and before you know it paranoia is rampant.It's all very sad.

HI,
I also believe that the great majority of Americans do not hate Arabs/Moslems.
Peace in this World can come about, if people in every Nation want it. However, not all want it.

Multi culturism doesn't always work...

i read most time that usa asking why arabs hate us and they spend money to change that , and that realy make me surprise .

I'm going to play devil's advocate here and ask do you really love America or do you just love the opportunities you have here? The two are not quite the same thing. We have millions of "undocumented" aliens who come here to earn money to send back home and eventually return home. Do those people like America or just the money they earn?

There are loads of people and countries that hold out their hands to take whatever America will give while slapping us in the face with the other hand. In some cases, this is not undeserved. America and Americans have displayed an arrogance to the rest of the world that has engendered such a response.

I can tell you and I am sure that I love america and that not cause money but cause it has special way of living .
I wish that we can live here in syria like american way of living .
I am not ready to heart any one cause his nationality or his coloer
I just want to live in peace and what very little arabs doing make america kill a lot of our people with out any reason.
There is many way to kill people , like what happened now in gaza people died there cause they don't have medicine and food cause america think that palstinian hate america and I want to ask you if the little baby's know the heat to kill them?
Babyes died cause they don't have medicine and they don't have food.
And that very bad cause that what make a lot of terorist , when the people can't find food they will be angry from the side who stopped there life and will do any crazy thing .

I don't believe the americans are killing your people for no apparent reason...
I mean "hello" who started all of this in the first place. It all started due to 9/11 and that is that arabs fault not the americans or europeans.

Re: the people in gaza is it our fault again that they do not have food and medicince?

They all first complain about the americans and then when sh*t happens the americans are always blamed for it..

Well, whatever you say, I don't believe I'm wrong and I'm totally entitled my own opinion

I have to agree with Krs's response here. I also have to say that you don't love America as much as you claim to. Statement's like "i wish that we can live here in syria like american way of living" and "what very little arabs doing make america kill alot of our people with out any reason", tell me that you like the lifestyle and freedom that America offers, not America itself.

To blame America because the Palestinian government cannot provide basic services like food and medical care, is turning a blind eye to realities. Maybe, if the Palestinians put in a greater effort on improving their living conditions and spent less time trying to kill Isrealis things might be better.

When jews first came to Palestine they were allowed to work in barren areas. Areas the Arab population had abandoned. It was only after the jews restored the land and made it productive that Arabs wanted it back. When they couldn't get it back after three wars, they resorted to terrorism.

Right on Krs!! You hit the bullseye!

Exactly spot on with ScotGem - at the end of the day they are just jealous of the lifestyle me as an european has and also as the americans do.
JEALOUSY..
Jealousy is an illness.

RickJ - I understand that it is not individually the fault of the arabs, but they were arab terrorists who caused 9/11 and it was all after 9/11 that all these issues arose.

Ok then who's fault is it - THE AMERICAN'S FAULT??

It is the fault of the terrorists and the organizaton(s) they represent.

Those organizations do NOT represent Arabs or Moslems.

It is the fault of the terrorists and the organizaton(s) they represent.

Those organizations do NOT represent Arabs or Moslems.

So who do they represent - allah?

No, they represent the twisted ideals of their leaders!

This is no different than the atrocities of the Nazi's in WWII. The millions who were exterminated was not the fault of "the Germans", it was the fault of Adolf Hitler's regime.

I have to agree with Rick that there is too broad a brush stroke here. Also these problems existed way before 9/11. Remember there was an earlier bombing of the WTC. It is correct to say that the people responsible for 9/11 were arabs, but not that Arabs were responsible.

Yes fair enough...
It is quite an intense issue if you had too look right deep into it.

But I just feel disgusted by their acts, and the thousands of people that died in the twin towers - all inocent people. But those responsible for 9/11, are muslims and muslims believe - "those who are not muslims are the enemy".. that's to the point. And besides as I said before they are jealous of our way of living and want to destroy it in the name of allah.

I hesitate to go even as far as pointing out that they are arabs only because I know that way too often the illogical connection is made:

"The terrorists are arabs, so arabs are terrorists".
Or
"the terrorists are moslems, so moslems are terrorists"... and this second one is even worse, because anyone can CLAIM to be something but not really be... like the KKK here in america that CLAIM to be Christians.

As I've said before, most I know do not say "arabs are terrorists" but I am well aware that this sentiment is not uncommon.

It's sad, really.

I read in quran and it specifically states :-
"those who are not muslims are the enemy"...
Now how can every one of us who is not muslim justify that statement?

i read in quran and it specifically states :-
"those who are not muslims are the enemy"...

First, I'd like to see that in context, then I'd like to hear what a Qu'ran scholar says about it.

Regardless, though, I would not be able to comment on it's exact meaning in it's context.

Shakespeare was accurate when he wrote "The Devil can quote Scripture for his own purpose." (Merchant of Venice)

He spoke this of the Bible, which has many phrases that folk who do not understand Judeao-Christianity would call cruel or evil. I am sure that the Qu'ran is the same way.

I personally think that we have to give the responsibility to who it is due, the individuals who were terrorists, not the people as a whole. That is like saying that all Americans are bad because of Bush and what he is doing, or all Germans were evil, because of Hitler. I think that emotions are strong here, and I understand the reality of how aweful 911 was, but we can't let our emotions take over and cloud our rationalism. Yes, if I were in an Arab nation right now, of course I would rather be in America, where I can freely do what I please, but this is not so. THe whole world can't be America. We have our own problems as well. We are not a perfect nation by any means.

Its not a matter of arabs, not all arabs are evil. But Muslims beliefs is beyond our comprehension I think.

Curlyben.. why..?

Krs, you have gone from making one sweeping generalisation to another with absolutely no back up what so ever.

The quotes you made previously are so far out of context as to be scarey.

I will not be drawn any further into this !

Its not a matter of arabs, not all arabs are evil. But Muslims beliefs is beyond our comprehension i think.
You hit the nail on the head. People who are not Muslims do not understand Islam or the Qu'ran.

I am one of them. I can only base my opinion of Islam on the little bit that I've researched and the lot of it that I learn chatting with my neighbor who is President of the local Islamic Society

From what I know, I am convinced that Islam is a Religion of Peace, and that terrorists do not represent Islam in the slightest.

Islam is in essence intolerant, and its highly Machiavellian logic alternates between force and deception: deception, when Muslims are weakest and form a minority; force, when their dominance begins to be assured. Among Arabo-African immigrants Islam is not conceived of as a spiritual religion (its moral precepts are seldom followed) but as a revanchist form of ethnic self-assertion against Europeans, often called "crusaders." Much more than Christianity, today enfeebled, Islam is fundamentally a religion of the imperative revealed truth and it has always believed, with a thoroughly blind conscience, in its own rightness, and it has justified all acts, even atrocities, committed in the name of Islamic expansion and for the glory of Allah.


Europeans, naïve defenders of Islam, fail to comprehend it and interpret the Koran as a sincere whole, as a single unified text with a consistent logic, whereas in fact it is rich in prevarication, a text with multiple gears.

Islam can propose "tolerance and fraternity among religions" and "the freedom of the believer's preferred faith" on the basis of a Koranic precept: "Let there be no compulsion in religion" (Sura 2.256); it can insistently reject any fundamentalism and fanaticism: "Islam is the community of the just balance" (Sura 2.143) or "no violence in matters of religion! Truth stands out clearly from error" (Sura 2.257). Islam can commit itself to compassion and forgiveness of offenses: "evil must be requited by good" (Sura 41.34; 22.96); Islam can even commit itself to humane treatment of an enemy and the Islamic obligation to offer him aid (Sura 9.6). Yet these verses are absolutely contradicted by fourteen centuries of Islamic behavior, for Islam has always preferred violence whenever the balance of power is in its favor, ignoring forgiveness and compassion, eradicating or subjecting in ghettos other religions in the territories that it has conquered, and tolerating in the latter neither pagan polytheists nor atheists.

These peaceful Koranic verses are a ruse. Theologically they have been annulled by the bellicose verses written later, in particular those of Sura 4

Almsgiving (zakat), which constitutes the third "pillar of Islam," is completely different in character from Christian charity. The latter is universalist and altruistic -- which seems quite naïve to a Muslim. Although Muslims and their allies, by a pure propaganda trick, attempt to convince us that Islamic almsgiving is a philanthropic requirement that demonstrates the humane and peaceful spirit of Islam, reality is very different.

Zakat concerns only the umma, the community of Muslim believers. A Muslim is by no means held responsible for giving alms to impoverished Jews and Christians, nor to succor them in any way; as for acts of charity toward the pagan or the atheist, they are deemed blasphemous. Charity is not based on commiseration or love of one's neighbor in this conquering, intolerant and warlike religion. It is motivated, according to the Koran, by two considerations: first, to practice solidarity toward indigent members of the umma, in order to foster cohesion within the community; second, to teach any Muslim that he is not the real owner of the goods at his disposal, which are merely a loan authorized by Allah in order to illustrate his power and to spread Islam everywhere, by conversion or the sword.

There is thus no question of a Muslim indiscriminately coming to assistance of other human beings. For this implacable revealed monotheism, the Infidel is unworthy. Some may have noticed, though the media largely ignored it, that the Muslim Red Crescent during the wars in the Balkans only aided Bosnian refugees or Muslim Kosovars, completely indifferent to the fate of the Orthodox Serbs or the Croatian Catholics afflicted by war. The Red Cross, on the other hand, did not make any ethnic or religious distinctions.

Generally, Islam practices a policy of peace and apparent tolerance only when it is weak and remains in the minority.

Many Muslim countries, such as Saudi Arabia, absolutely proscribe the construction of churches in their territory. Christian worship is prohibited to foreigners stationed in these countries. In the majority of Muslim countries, the entry or residence of Christian priests is almost impossible; any proselytism is prohibited, under penalty of immediate expulsion. In Europe, however, Muslim proselytism is encouraged and financed (e.g. the construction of mosques) by the authorities, whose secularism is tantamount to naivety. The rule of reciprocity that governs international law is completely scorned; to their discredit Europeans readily accept this double-standard, which in the eyes of Muslims betrays a sign of weakness and resignation that encourages and legitimates, as though justified by divine will, their movement of ethno-religious conquest in Europe.

For the Islamic mind, the fact that Europeans do not demand from Muslim countries the same secular neutrality, the same freedom of worship that we extend to Muslims, means this: "Europeans know that they are in error, they recognize the superiority of Islam and the superiority of Allah; they prostrate themselves before us and acknowledge themselves to be Infidels, and thus it is just that they should become a land for our conquest." These remarks were made by an Egyptian imam in the Cairo newspaper Al Ahram.

In the conservative tradition of Islam the world is divided into two components: dar al-Islam, the house of God, and dar al-Harb, the house of war; the home of the infidels or unbelievers. The goal of the Islamists is to expand the borders of dar al-Islam at the expense of dar al-Harb, and to create a universal Islamic community. This is one meaning of the term Jihad. The Saudi Wahhabists and their philosophy are a prime example of this doctrine. Bin Laden's rhetoric is also reflective of this dichotomy...

Europeans are unaware of the very foundations of Islam, notably the cynical imperative of the three stages of conquest. Initially a Muslim community established in a foreign land and still forming a minority practices Dar Al-Sulh, "temporary peace," because the Infidel, in his blindness and naivety, permits Islamic proselytism in his country, without demanding any reciprocity on Muslim soil. This is the stage that Europe is currently experiencing, which makes many believe that a "secular and Europeanized Islam" is possible.

Only in the second stage, after the settlement of an Islamic community has been established, does the requirement of conquest and violence become apparent. This is Dar Al-Harb, in which the Infidel's soil becomes a "zone of war," either because of resistance to the establishment of Islam, resistance that must be broken, or because Muslims, now in sufficient numbers, no longer need peace and can abandon the prudence that marked the first stage of their conquest. This phase will soon be upon us: We can already see its premises.

In the third stage Muslims end up dominating. This is Dar Al-Islam, the "reign of Islam." The Jew and the Christian are tolerated but reduced in status, enjoying at best an inferior position, that of dhimmis ("protected") paying a special poll-tax and deprived of most of their rights; pagan polytheists ("idolaters") and atheists are persecuted; and the whole population must submit to Islam's social regulations. Under this "reign of Islam" the non-Muslim has no chance of occupying any leading social position. In Morocco, where Christians and Jews were the most tolerated and protected, they were nevertheless compelled to leave at the end of the French protectorate, even though there had been no war, as was the case in Algeria. For many of the leaders of international Islamic networks today, the ultimate objective is to impose on Europe the law of Dar Al-Islam. It is a consequent project, propelled by an unwavering political will, which has already been set in motion. Because God has so ordained.

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Previous to this you said "Muslims beliefs is beyond our comprehension i think", now you call it intolerant, espousing violence and more - as if you know a lot about it.

Further you claim at least twice now that muslums believe all who are not muslims are the enemy... then imply that that means that they are to exterminate the enemy.

Please enlighten us as to where this teaching is.

We obviously have a very different opinion on this topic.

Would someone please pass me a cup of that Jim Jones Kool Aid?

Krs- If all muslims are guided by the quran why haven't they all risen up to destroy the heathens,they certainly have the numbers ?:cool: :eek: