View Full Version : KeepRite Furnace Reliability
DaveLor
Aug 26, 2008, 06:59 AM
I'm in the market to replace my furnace with a high efficiency model, the contractor I'm talking with has recommended either a Goodman GMH95 or a KeepRite VS90, both are two stage. Does anyone have any comment on either, especially the KeepRite.
hvac1000
Aug 26, 2008, 11:54 AM
Keeprite is a brand manufactured by ICP - International Comfort Products, who is owned by the same parent company as Carrier, although Carrier and ICP products are not similar and do not share design or manufacturing. ICP produces usually identical equipment under the brand names of Airquest, Arcoaire, Comfortmaker, Heil, Keeprite, Kenmore, ICP Commercial, and Tempstar, but the Keeprite brand seems to be marketed more in Canada than the US. Keeprite should be a decent furnace and would be considered to be a middle to lower-middle quality unit in general. As there is a very wide range of quality, features, and efficiency even within the Keeprite line, I can't tell you if that price is either good or bad. Here is a chart showing the different values available:
HOWEVER...
The most important day in the life of any system is the day it is installed. Usually, the biggest factor in reliability, comfort, and longevity of a piece of HVAC equipment is who installs it. It isn't rocket science, but if you screw up you could burn your house down, injure or kill your family from carbon monoxide poisoning, or a variety of other things that don't injure but end up costing in the long run.
I do like Goodman since most of the parts are off the shelf if needed.
DaveLor
Aug 29, 2008, 12:25 PM
I'm in the market to replace my furnace with a high efficiency model, the contractor I'm talking with has recommended either a Goodman GMH95 or a KeepRite VS90, both are two stage. Does anyone have any comment on either, especially the KeepRite.
I did not get the chart you referred to, can you post it in your response again?
hvac1000
Aug 29, 2008, 04:00 PM
Enjoy. More stars the better.
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BASIC GAS FURNACES (>90% AFUE,SINGLE STAGE)
BRAND----------------SERIES----------------RATING
AIRCO---------------ULTRAMAX4---------------1*-- This brand is from ECR INTERNATIONAL. It is a multi-position unit with an efficiency of up to 95%. The basic warranty is not the greatest but it can be extended through their "COMFORT PLUS" program. (olsenhvac.com)
AIR-EASE------------TECH91------------------1*-- This brand is from LENNOX INTERNATIONAL. The warranty is not very good. (airease.com)
AIREFLO-------------AF92-------------------<1*-- This brand is also from LENNOX INTERNATIONAL. The warranty is very basic. (aireflo-hvac.com)
ALLSTYLE------------VSA/CSA----------------<1*-- The VSA unit is for upflow applications while the CSA units are for horozontal or downflow installations. This is a non-condensing furnace and the warranty is very basic. (allstyle.com)
AMANA---------------GKS9--------------------4*-- This brand is licensed to GOODMAN MANUFACTURING. It has a very good warranty. (amana-hac.com)
AMERICAN STANDARD---FREEDOM 90--------------1*-- This brand is owned by the TRANE company. The warranty is basic but is extendable. Their site has a dealer search by zip code. (americanstandardair.com)
ARCOAIRE------------PS90-------------------<1*-- This brand is from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS (ICP). The standard warranty is not good but it can be extended through the "HELP" program. They have a dealer locator that uses either your zip code or your city/state. (arcoaire.com)
ARMSTRONG-----------TECH91------------------1*-- This brand is owned by LENNOX INTERNATIONAL. They have a dealer locator by zip code on their site. (armstrongair.com)
BRYANT--------------LEGACY LINE PLUS90------1*-- This brand is by CARRIER INTERNATIONAL. They are multi-position units and come with a high efficiency air filter cabinet. The basic warranty can be extended. They have a dealer locator by zip code. (bryant.com)
CARRIER-------------COMFORT92---------------1*-- The basic warranty is extendable. (residential.carrier.com)
CENTURY-------------CONQUEST90--------------1*-- This brand is from HEAT CONTROLLER. The GL series is a basic unit with a basic warranty. (heatcontroller.com)
COLEMAN-------------COMFORTEER GM9S---------1*-- This brand is from JOHNSON CONTROLS. The COMFORTEER series GM9S units' standard warranty is not very good but extended warranties can be purchased through their PERFORMANCE PROMISE program. They have a dealer locator by zip code on their website (colemanac.com)
COMFORTAIRE---------CONQUEST90--------------1*-- This brand is from HEAT CONTROLLER. The GL series is a basic unit with a basic warranty. (heatcontroller.com)
hvac1000
Aug 29, 2008, 04:01 PM
COMFORTMAKER--------PS90-------------------<1*-- This brand is from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS (ICP). The DLX90 series is a basic unit with a five year "NO HASSLE" replacement guarantee. The standard warranty is not very good but can be extended through their "HELP" program. They have a dealer locator by zip code or city/state on their website. (comfortmaker.com)
CONCORD-------------CONCORD 90--------------1*-- This brand is from LENNOX INTERNATIONAL. It is a basic model with a basic guarantee. The heat exchanger has a lifetime guarantee only if the unit is direct vented. (concord-air.com)
CROWN--------------------------------------<1*-- This brand is a part of BURNHAM HOLDINGS. The units use a spark-to-pilot ignition system. This can require more maintenance and repair due tio the pilot assembly getting dirty/clogged. The standard warranty is not good but is extendable. (crownboiler.com)
DETTSON-------------PS90DV-----------------<1*-- This brand is from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS (ICP) and is sold in Canada. The unit uses HSI to pilot ignition. This can require more maintenance/repair due to the pilot assembly getting dirty/clogged. The standard warranty is not good but can be extended through their "HELP" program. (dettson.ca)
DORNBACK------------DMN--------------------<1*-- This brand is owned by Adams Manufacturing. This unit can be installed in upflow or downflow position. (dornbackfurnace.com)
DUCANE--------------CMPEU-B-----------------1*-- This brand is from LENNOX INTERNATIONAL. This unit is a part of their "FITS-ALL92" line. The standard warranty is not very good and their website is not much help. (ducanehvac.com)
FEDDERS-------------90+ HIGH EFFICIENCY----<1*-- This brand is now a part of the AIRWELL GROUP. This unit has a very basic warranty. (fedders.com)
FRIGIDAIRE----------VERY GOOD---------------4*-- This brand is from NORDYNE. It has "SMARTLITE" control to extend the life of the hot surface ignitor. It has a very good warranty. They have a dealer locator by zip code, city/state, or full address to help you to find the closest dealer. (frigidaire.net)
GIBSON--------------KG6RC-------------------4*-- This brand is from NORDYNE. The 92+ units are basic units with a very good warranty which includes the "10 year quality pledge". That is where, if the heat exchanger fails in those ten years, the entire unit will be replaced. (nordyne.com/Gibson)
GOODMAN-------------GKS9--------------------4*-- The GKS9 units have an advanced "adaptive learning routine" where the control varies the ignitor warmup time to extend the life of the ignitor. They have a very good warranty and it can even be extended and include labor coverage through their "GoodCare" plan. (goodmanmfg.com)
GRANDAIRE-----------KG6RC-------------------4*-- This brand is manufactured by NORDYNE for BAKER DISTRINUTING COMPANY. The GL1RC units have the "smartlite" control to extend the life of the ignitor. They are backed by a very good warranty and include a 10 year quality pledge where, if the heat exchanger fails during that time, the whole unit is replaced. (grandaireac.com)
HAIER---------------HG93A------------------<1*-- This is a multi-position unit. They are also available in a 95% AFUE model (HG95A). The warranty on the heat exchanger is not good. (haieramerica.com)
HEIL----------------DLX90-------------------1*-- This brand is from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS (ICP). This is a basic unit with an average standard warranty. The guarantee is extendable through their "HELP" program. The PS90DV and PS90 units do not have a good warranty on their heat exchanger and receive a 1* rating. (heil-hvac.com)
KEEPRITE------------DLX90-------------------1*-- This brand is also from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS and is identical to the HEIL brand.
KELVINATOR----------------------------------2*-- This brand is from NORDYNE. It is a basic unit with a very good warranty. It also has their "10 year quality pledge" where the unit will be replaced if the heat exchanger fails in the first 10 years. (nordyne.com/Kelvinator)
LENNOX--------------G51---------------------1*-- This is a part of their ELITE series. They also offer a MERIT series (G43) but the warranty on the heat exchanger is not good and that unit receives a 1* rating. The warranties are extendable. They have a dealer locator using zip codes on their website. (lennox.com)
LINCOLN-------------DLX90-------------------1*-- This brand is from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS and is sold in Canada. This unit uses hot surface to pilot ignition which can lead to more maintenance and repairs. (lincoln-hvac.com)
LUXAIRE-------------CLIMASURE GM9S----------1*-- This brand is from JOHNSON CONTROLS. The standard warranty is not very good but can be extended through their "PERFORMANCE PROMISE" program. They have a dealer locator by zip code on their website. (luxaire.com)
MAYTAG--------------M120--------------------5*-- This brand is licensed to NORDYNE. It has their "SMART START" control board to extend the life of the ignitor and is backed by the best warranty in the industry. (maytaghvac.com)
hvac1000
Aug 29, 2008, 04:01 PM
MERIDIAN----------CSA/VSA------------------<1*-- This brand is from TEXAS FURNACE LLC. It uses a spark to pilot ignition system which is not as reliable as a direct ignition system. The warranty on the heat exchanger is not long enough. (meridianheating.com)
NAPOLEON-----------NG93A--------------------3*-- This brand is from WOLF STEEL LIMITED. They are basic four position units and are available with either 93% or 95% AFUE. They have a pretty good warranty. (napoleonheatingandair.com)
OLSEN---------------ULTRAMAX 4--------------1*-- This brand is from ECR INTERNATIONAL. It is a basic unit with a standard warranty that is not very good. The warranty can be extended through their "COMFORT PLUS" program. They have a dealer locator by zip code on thie website. (olsenhvac.com)
ONEIDA ROYAL--------GTHB/GTHC---------------1*-- This is another brand from ECR INTERNATIONAL. It is identical to the OLSEN brand except for the name. There is a dealer locator by zip code on their website. (oneidaroyal.com)
PAYNE---------------PG9M-------------------<1*-- This brand has a good basic unit with a very good warranty on most parts but the warranty on the heat exchanger is not very good. They have a distributor locator by zip code on their website. (payne.com)
PHILCO--------------G6RC--------------------2*-- This brand is from NORDYNE. It is your basic unit but is backed by a very good warranty.
RHEEM----------RGRA/RGTA--------------------1*-- This brand is from RHEEM MANUFACTURING which is a part of the PALOMA GROUP. These units are part of their CLASSIC 90 PLUS series. They use stainless steel for both their primary and secondary heat exchangers for durability but the standard warranty on the other parts is not so good. The warranty can be extended. They have a dealer locator by zip code on their website. (rheemac.com)
RUUD----------------UGRA--------------------1*-- This brand is identical to the RHEEM brand except for the name and the first letter in the model numbers. (ruudac.com)
TAPPAN--------------TECH 1------------------4*-- This brand is from NORDYNE. It uses "SMARTLITE" control to extend the life of the hot surface ignitor. It has a very good warranty that includes their 10 year Tappan Tough Quality Pledge. That is where the unit is replaced if the heat exchanger fails in the first ten years. They also have a dealer locator by zip code, city/state, and full address on their website to help you find an authorized dealer. (tappan.net)
TEMPSTAR------------DLX90-------------------1*-- This brand is from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS (ICP). This unit uses stainless steel for both the primary and secondary heat exchangers. The basic warranty is not very giood but can be extended through their "HELP" program. The PS90-DV units receive a rating of <1* (the warranty on the heat exchanger is not good). There is a dealer locator by zip code or city/state on their website. (tempstar.com)
TEXAS FURNACE-------CSA/VSA----------------<1*-- This unit uses a spark to pilot ignition system which is not as reliable as a direct ignition system. The warranty on the heat exchanger is not very good. (texasfurnace.com)
THERMO PRIDE-----CHB1/CDB1------------------1*-- This brand is a part of BURNHAM HOLDINGS. These units use stainless steel for both the primary and secondary heat exchangers for durability. They have a 10 year "PEACE OF MIND PLUS" warranty on the heat exchanger where the unit is replaced if the heat exchanger fails during the first ten years. (thermopride.com)
TRANE---------------XR/XT-------------------1*-- This brand is from INGERSOLL RAND. These units use adaptive ignitor control to extend the life of the ignitor. The standard warranty is not very good but can be extended. The XB SERIES units are rated at <1* (the warranty on the heat exchanger is not good). They have a dealer locator by zip code on their website. (trane.com)
WEIL-MCLAIN------- weil-mclain.com ------<1*-- These units use spark to pilot ignition which can lead to more required maintenance and repairs. The units are available in either an upflow model or a downflow/horozontal model. The standard warranty on the units is not good (the heat exchanger warranty is for only 20 years).
hvac1000
Aug 29, 2008, 04:02 PM
WESTINGHOUSE--------FG7RC/FG7RL-------------4*-- This brand is from NORDYNE. It has a strong warranty that includes a 10 year quality pledge on the heat exchanger. The units use "SMARTLITE" control to extend the life of the hot surface ignitor. They have a dealer locator by zip code, city/state, or full address on their website. (westinghousehvac.com)
WHIRLPOOL-----------WFCT--------------------1*-- This is a multi position unit but the warranty is not very good. If the unit is not direct vented, the heat exchanger warranty is for only 20 years. It has their "HOMEWISE" warranty which will replace the unit if the heat exchanger fails during the first five years. (whirlpoolhvac.com)
WINCHESTER----------WUN/WND----------------<1*-- These unit are manufactured by York which is owned by JOHNSON CONTROLS. The warranty on the heat exchanger is only good for 20 years. The WUT series units offer two stage operation but do not have a variable speed blower motor. They have a better warranty on the heat exchanger and also have a two speed inducer motor. They receive a rating of 1*. These units can be purchased online or at home improvement centers. (hamiltonhomeproducts.com)
XENON--------------------------------------<1*--
YORK-----------------TG9S-------------------1*-- This is part of their LATITUDE SERIES. The standard warranty is not very good but can be extended through their "YORKCARE" program. They have a dealer locator by zip code on their website. (yorkupg.com) PREMIUM GAS FURNACES (>90%AFUE,2 STAGE,VARIABLE SPEED)
BRAND----------------SERIES-----------------RATING
AIRCO----------------G95V-------------------2*-- This brand is from ECR INTERNATIONAL. It has an efficiency of up to 95%. The standard warranty is not good but can be extended through their "COMFORT PLUS" program. (olsenhvac.com)
AIREASE--------------ENHANCED 95V-----------2*-- This brand is owned by LENNOX INTERNATIONAL. The standard warranty is only five years on parts. (airease.com)
AIRE-FLO-------------AF92V------------------1*-- This brand is also owned by LENNOX INTERNATIONAL. The heat exchanger is only under warranty for 20 years. (aireflo-hvac.com)
AMANA----------------GMV95------------------4*-- This brand is licensed to GOODMAN MANUFACTURING. It has a 10 year guarantee where, if the heat exchanger fails in that time, the entire unit will be replaced. (amana-hac.com)
AMERICAN STANDARD----FREEDOM 90 COMFORT-R---2*-- This brand is now owned by the TRANE company. The standard warranty is for only five years on parts but can be extended. Their site has a dealer search by zip code to help you find a qualified installer. (americanstandardair.com)
ARCOAIRE-------------VS90-------------------3*-- This brand is from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS (ICP). This unit also has a two speed inducer fan motor for enhanced operation. It also has a ten year "NO HASSLE" replacement guarantee on the heat exchanger. The website has a dealer locator by zip code or by city/state to assist you. (arcoaire.com)
ARMSTRONG------------ENHANCED 95V-----------2*-- This brand is owned by LENNOX INTERNATIONAL. The standard parts warranty is only five years. The website has a dealer locator by zip code. (armstrongair.com)
BRYANT---------------EVOLUTION PLUS90i------2*-- This brand is from CARRIER INTERNATIONAL. The standard parts warranty is only for five years but is extendable. Their website has a dealer locator using zip codes. (bryant.com)
CARRIER--------------INFINITY 96------------2*-- The standard warranty on parts is only five years but is extendable. (residential.carrier.com)
hvac1000
Aug 29, 2008, 04:02 PM
COLEMAN--------------ECHELON 9.V------------2*-- This brand is from JOHNSON CONTROLS. The ECHELON series 9.V units' standard warranty is not very good but extended warranties are available through their PERFORMANCE PROMISE program. There is a dealer locator by zip code on their website. (colemanac.com)
COMFORTMAKER---------VS90-------------------3*-- This brand is from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS (ICP). The VS90 series has a ten year "NO HASSLE" replacement guarantee where, if the heat exchanger fails during that time, the whole unit will be replaced. The standard warranty can be extended through their "HELP" program. The unit also has a two speed inducer motor for quiet efficient operation. They have a dealer locator by zip code or city/state on their website. (comfortmaker.com)
DUCANE---------------CMPEV------------------2*-- This brand is from LENNOX INTERNATIONAL. This unit is a part of their "FITS-ALL92" line. The standard warranty is not very good and their website is not much help. (ducanehvac.com)
FEDDERS--------------FV95A------------------2*-- This brand is now a part of the AIRWELL GROUP. This unit can be mounted in all positions and has a two stage inducer motor. The standard warranty is not very good. (fedders.com)
FRIGIDAIRE-----------ULTRA------------------4*-- This brand is from NORDYNE. It uses "SMARTLITE" control to make the hot surface ignitor last longer. It has a very good warranty. They have a dealer locator on their site by zip code, city/state, or full address to help you to find the closest dealer. (frigidaire.net)
GOODMAN--------------GMV95------------------4*-- The GMV95 units are multi-position units with "adaptive learning routine" to extend the life of the hot surface ignitor. They also have an "auto-comfort mode" for enhanced dehumidifying. They are backed by a strong warranty policy which can even be extended to include labor. (goodmanmfg.com)
HEIL-----------------VS90-------------------3*-- This brand is from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS (ICP). They have a two speed inducer motor and an extendable warranty. Their site has a dealer locator by zip code or city/state. (heil-hvac.com)
KEEPRITE-------------VS90-------------------3*-- This brand is also from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS and is identical to the HEIL brand.
KELVINATOR----------------------------------4*-- This brand is from NORDYNE. It has their "smartlite" control to extend the life of the hot surface ignitor. It also has a very good warranty with their "10 year quality pledge". (nordyne.com/Kelvinator)
LENNOX------DAVE LENNOX SIGNATURE G61V------2*-- This is a part of their ELITE series. The standard warranty is not very good but can be extended. They have a dealer locator using zip codes on their website. (lennox.com)
LINCOLN--------------VS90-------------------2*-- This brand is from INTERNATIONAL COMFORT PRODUCTS and is sold in Canada. This model has a ten year no hassle replacement guarantee where the entire unit is replaced if the heat exchanger fails within the first ten years. The unit uses hot surface to pilot ignition which can require more maintenance and tends to have more problems. (lincoln-hvac.com)
LUXAIRE--------------ACCLIMATE 9.V----------2*-- This brand is from JOHNSON CONTROLS. The standard warranty is not very good but can be extended through their "PERFORMANCE PROMISE" plan. They have a dealer locator by zip codes on their website. (luxaire.com)