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ahmar
Apr 25, 2006, 05:56 AM
Well I'm in problem I don't know how to get ridd of sex habbit I'm addicted to porn sites on net and articles like that I masturbate too.plz tell me I want to be good person and want to leave masturbation

NeedKarma
Apr 25, 2006, 06:03 AM
Pray. God will help you through it.

Krs
Apr 25, 2006, 06:07 AM
There is nothing wrong about masterbating dude, just as long as you don't go overboard..

Try find yourself a nice lady to pleasure you and you pleasure her ;)

fredg
Apr 25, 2006, 06:56 AM
HI,
If you are really serious about this, just try your best NOT to go to these sites!
You can do it! There are also Support Groups, which you might find in your local area, might not.
But, tell yourself, that just for today, just one day at a time, you are NOT going to visit any porn sites; then don't do it. Don't think about tomorrow, just today.
I do wish you the best, and do you have any hobbies? Find something you like doing, that does not involve sex at all, and give it a try.

phillysteakandcheese
Apr 25, 2006, 08:50 AM
Like any other addiction, you'll need support and help to get through it.

Check your local newspaper for a Sex Addicts Anonymous group. Go to the meetings, even when you don’t want to. Read and think about the 12 steps…

For you:

Become more physically active. Work out. Go for walks in the park. Play a sport - It’s spring, and lots of local softball and slow-pitch teams are looking for players!

Get a hobby that will take your mind off sex. Maybe you’re interested in history, or cars, or baseball statistics. Find something other than sex to think about.

I would also install software to block adult sites. Something as simple as a hosts file block will help (check http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm).

And of course, resist trying to see what gets through and what gets blocked.

And as previously mentioned, pray for help and understanding. :)

RickJ
Apr 25, 2006, 09:40 AM
When you're tempted to do either, go outside immediately. Walk around the block, go to a park, throw a frisbee with someone.

You will not beat this overnight, but if you can visit one less porn site tomorrow, than you do today, and so-on the next day, you will work it out.

smoothy
Apr 27, 2006, 12:56 PM
Simple... find something to do away from the computer... go out and walk, jog... work out. Key is to break the habit... which is exactly what it is.

Fr_Chuck
Apr 27, 2006, 01:47 PM
These types of sites can be a serious adiction. We had an employee in our company, we found he was visiting porn sites. We explained that this violated company policy ( he was allowed to use a computer on breaks or lunch to check his email)

Well even after telling him that we had a way to know every site he visited on the computer, he stopped for a few days but went right back to them knowing we would see it and fire him. But he just could not stop.

It is very possible that you can just stop, get a computer shop to put in filters that can not be turned off, so you just can't go to those sites is one choice. And if it is just too much, get rid of your computer.

And of course professional help is always a good idea when facing a serious problem

talaniman
Apr 27, 2006, 07:11 PM
I go along with Fr Chuck ,seek the HELP of a professional,like any other addiction, the right help will change those bad patterns and show you a better way:cool: :)

Starman
Jun 3, 2006, 09:08 PM
well i m in problem i don't know how to get ridd of sex habbit i m addicted to porn sites on net and articles like that i masturbate too.plz tell me i want to be good person and want to leave masturbation

All the advice given has been good. I'd like to add a bit more. All behavior has a stimulous which provokes or encourages it. Masturbation is caused by sexual tension which naturally increases and clamors for release. Marriage is the biblical suggestion to alleviate that tension.

1 Corinthians 7:9
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.


The following sites offer additional relevant advice.

Links

http://www.allaboutlifechallenges.org/masturbation-addiction.htm

http://www.sexualcontrol.com/masturbation-addiction.html

maria26
Jun 3, 2006, 10:25 PM
Starman you are entitled to your opinion but do you think it is smart to have someone jump into such a commmited act purely for sex?
I would have to agree with everyone in getting professional advice for the addiction...
And Ahmar just because a person masurbates it does not make them a horrible person... it makes them Human!

valinors_sorrow
Jun 4, 2006, 07:05 AM
You have been given much good advice here.

Along the lines of a few suggestions, here are the links to two "12-step" organizations concerned with recovery from a sexual addiction:
http://saa-recovery.org/
http://www.slaafws.org/

Make a point of turning to them instead of a porn site. If you make the point often enough, it eventually can replace a bad habit with a good habit. These sites may put you in contact with people who have solved the very problem you have. Do what they did and get the same results.

It is my firsthand experience of a 12-step program (albeit it was for drinking) that when I worked the steps completely, I was set free. You were wise to reach out for help and that, in itself, isn't easy, but I believe the same freedom can be possible for a sex addict too.

I hope this helps.

NeedKarma
Jun 4, 2006, 04:17 PM
Masturbation is caused by sexual tension which naturally increases and clamors for release. Marriage is the biblical suggestion to alleviate that tension.

1 Corinthians 7:9
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.This is both funny and scary at the same time. I shudder to think of the kind of woman that enters into marriage for such a reason.

I think that the original asker should stick exclusively with prayer - if it can cure cancer it can cure porn addiction.

Starman
Jun 5, 2006, 09:37 AM
Starman you are entitled to your opinion but do you think it is smart to have someone jump into such a commmited act purely for sex?
I would have to agree with everyone in getting professional advice for the addiction...
and Ahmar just because a person masurbates it does not make them a horrible person...it makes them Human!



The advice is not my opinion. They are the words of the inspired Apostle Paul directed to those who are plagued by sexual passion. You see, for Christians sex outside the marriage is a sin. It's called fornication if committed by the unmarried and adultery if committed by the married one with someone other than his spouse. So if a person wants to avoid falling prey to these sins as well as the masturbation habit, then Paul tells him that the acceptable solution would be to marry.

This doesn't mean that Paul believed that sex was to be the only reason one should marry. Only that one should consider marriage as a viable acceptable solution to the problem of being constantly plagued by temptation.


This is both funny and scary at the same time. I shudder to think of the kind of woman that enters into marriage for such a reason.

I think that the original asker should stick exclusively with prayer - if it can cure cancer it can cure porn addiction.

Sorry I scared you.
Glad I made you laugh.


The kind of person who enters marriage in order to solve a temptation to sin problem is the kind of person who respects God's laws and wants to do things the way God tells us to. The kind of person who masturbates without concern or commits fornication in order to alleviate his passions would be the kind of person who doesn't care what God thinks and so any solution offered might be acceptable. I suppose that atheists or agnostics would be such kinds of persons since they tend to become their own law choosing for themselves what's right or wrong.

Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. KJV

Now that is scary!

NeedKarma
Jun 5, 2006, 09:51 AM
I guess we each have a different view towards marriage and masturbation. But tell me, what about my recommendation of prayer?

J_9
Jun 5, 2006, 10:03 AM
NeedKarma, I agree that prayer may be able to help someone away from porn addiction, but can it really cure cancer?

Being a cancer survivor I used a lot of prayer, but it is not the only thing that actually cured me.

NeedKarma
Jun 5, 2006, 10:11 AM
I say that because some lady where I worked talked about a friend having cancer and them all egtting together for a prayer group to help the person overcome the cancer. Personally I'd be making sure they had the best medical help possible.

Of course if they are in remission then God answered their prayers of course, but what happens if they die from the cancer? Did God smite them for a sin? Then why did that person die of cancer ?

I believe that this porn addiction is self-inflicted and only that person can get themselves out of it. To believe that one should marry a woman to servcie his impulses is ludicrous to me.

Starman
Jun 5, 2006, 10:11 AM
I guess we each have a different view towards marriage and masturbation. But tell me, what about my recommendation of prayer?

Thanks for reminding me! Your advice is very good. Prayer can definitely help a person to gain control of his emotions. I know this by personal experience since the only way that I could have overcome the obstacles I did once when I was under severe
Persecutiuon was via prayer which strengthened me beyond my own abilities.

Psalm 73:26
My flesh and my heart faileth: but God is the strength of my heart, and my portion for ever.

Psalm 66:19
But verily God hath heard me; he hath attended to the voice of my prayer.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

NeedKarma
Jun 5, 2006, 10:13 AM
So only the prayer delivered you from the persecution? You didn't do anything else nor had the help from any outside force?

Starman
Jun 5, 2006, 10:30 AM
So only the prayer delivered you from the persecution? You didn't do anything else nor had the help from any outside force?


I did study the Bible but without constant communication with God, asking for his help via holy spirit, study would not have been enough. I prayed at night before I slept, in the morning before going to work-where I was persecuted, during the breaks, at lunchtime, and whenever the persecution was initiated and the temptation to retaliate in kind or otherwise strike back in an unchristian way emerged. I specifically mentioned my problems and the need I had to be strengthened, not primarily for my own sake but for the sake of giving an answer to the ones who invisibly challenge God as had been the case with Job. After each prayer I always felt empowered and easily shrugged off all the attacks. But if I would have ceased in prayer I would have been lost.

NeedKarma
Jun 5, 2006, 10:36 AM
So the situation resolved itself completely? Without any action on your part at your place of work?

Starman
Jun 5, 2006, 10:41 AM
To believe that one should marry a woman to servcie his impulses is ludicrous to me.


The Bible doesn't teach men to look at women as mere sexual objects.
That idea is yours not the Bible's.

Proverbs 18:22
Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD.

Ephesians 5:28
So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

NeedKarma
Jun 5, 2006, 10:44 AM
The Bible doesn't teach men to look at women as mere sexual objects.
That idea is yours not the Bible's.
But you said earlier:
"The kind of person who enters marriage in order to solve a temptation to sin problem is the kind of person who respects God's laws "

So tell me: how is the wife supposed to solve the temptation to sin which in this case is masturbation?

Starman
Jun 5, 2006, 10:51 AM
So the situation resolved itself completely? Without any action on your part at your place of work?

As it turned out the person persecuting me distracted me in such a way that I caught my finger in the kickpress and had to take two weeks off. When I came back after the two week layoff, I found the fellow speaking in a high nasal tone and with cotton stuffed into his nose. He welcomed me back effusively and praised me for not being a violent person.

What happened was that this fellow, the foreman who had been persecuting me, began to treat another man who had been recently hired the same way. However, this man was not a Christian and when push came to shove he simply hauled back and broke the fellow's nose.

Which explained the high-pitched nasal tone and the cotton.


But you said earlier:
"The kind of person who enters marriage in order to solve a temptation to sin problem is the kind of person who respects God's laws "

So tell me: how is the wife supposed to solve the temptation to sin which in this case is masturbation?


I wasn't aware that we were dealing with a married person. Where in her question does she reveal this? In any case, scriptures illuminate scriptures. Please notice that the scriptures which tell husbands to respect and love their wives are written by Paul as well. So accusing Paul of saying that a woman should be merely a sex object is not supported by scripture but only shows that we are isolating scripture and giving it our own twist.

BTW
Men who masturbate are viewing women as mere sex objects and committing fornication in their minds, Something that Jesus specifically said we should not do.


Mark 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


In contrast Jesus spoke of marriage as OK.

Matthew 19:5
And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

The OT and Paul agree:

'Genesis 2:24
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Ephesians 5:31
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.


Sex within marriage is approved.

Proverbs 5:18-20 (King James Version)

18Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.

19Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

20And why wilt thou, my son, be ravished with a strange woman, and embrace the bosom of a stranger?








KJV

valinors_sorrow
Jun 5, 2006, 11:40 AM
Hey guys,
Ummm we were supposedly helping someone with a sexual addiction... :confused:

With all due respect to the intriguing discussion...
Might this be one of those times where a new thread would be warranted?
Just a thought?. shrugs :D

Curlyben
Jun 5, 2006, 03:01 PM
Hey guys,
Ummm we were supposedly helping someone with a sexual addiction ... :confused:

With all due respect to the intriguing discussion...
might this be one of those times where a new thread would be warranted?
Just a thought? ...shrugs :D

Well said Val, could we please get back to the question in hand !

NeedKarma
Jun 5, 2006, 03:17 PM
Hey guys,
Ummm we were supposedly helping someone with a sexual addiction ... :confused:

With all due respect to the intriguing discussion...
might this be one of those times where a new thread would be warranted?
Just a thought? ...shrugs :DWe are. One member suggested that the solution is to get married (the woman would alleviate the sexual tension) because this is what the bible says is the thing to do in this case. How many people here agree with that? Is this the correct solution in this case?

talaniman
Jun 5, 2006, 03:38 PM
I do not believe his addiction is from sexual tension nor is marriage the solution. Most addictions come from bad choices that over-rule common sense and the pattern has to be broken and new patterns must be undertaken. This is something that the addicted person must be willing to undertake and go through the process of empowering himself to dealing with the addiction. As far as marrying to alleviate this problem,well I can only say that addictions can destroy lives marriages and relationships so I think that would be VERY bad advice for a sex addict to get married and expect his addiction to be cured, rather I think the spouse would be under undo pressure to meet the demands of the addict ,even if she where an addict herself. They would both end up needing (professional)help. The solution to the problem is to seek out an addiction specialist.:cool:

Starman
Jun 6, 2006, 12:52 AM
All my posts about this subject have been either directly or indirectly relevant to it.
If my usage of the Bible to give advice annoys then not reading my posts is a solution.


We are. One member suggested that the solution is to get married (the woman would alleviate the sexual tension) because this is what the bible says is the thing to do in this case. How many people here agree with that? Is this the correct solution in this case?


The scripture I sited was referring to normal sexual desire and not specifically to a masturbation addiction. I offerred it up as a viable solution if the cause of the addiction is due to unsatisfied sexual desire. If the habit is due to other psychological causes then obviously the solution would not work since the problem would follow the person into the marriage arrangement.

I thought that the meaning would be clear from the word "burn" which means burning from desire in that context.

BTW
If the person involved is of normal intelligence he should know if the scriptural advice is applicable to his situation or not. If it is, he will use the advice. If it isn't, he will; reject the advice.

Krs
Jun 6, 2006, 01:57 AM
All my posts about this subject have been either directly or indirectly relevant to it.
But if there is a problem why not take t to administration instead of cluttering the forum with gripes?


BTW
If my usage of the Bible to give advice annoys you, then not reading my posts is a solution.

The main issue is not your advice but the way you may always impose the bible quotes when giving advice, as you may realise not everyone is religious. Although I am I can say that I don't always want to take quotes from the bible.

Then saying that we should not read your posts is a solution... well that's a very selfish one at that especially if its in a thread where anyone has originally posted! Right?

valinors_sorrow
Jun 6, 2006, 03:46 AM
I have posted new thread in member discussion that is entitled "Topic Changing Threads" and I invite all of us to continue there with the debate about how to either solve this problem or anything else that comes forward. I am hoping we can all consider it Part II of this very thread?

Starman
Jun 6, 2006, 11:22 AM
We are. One member suggested that the solution is to get married (the woman would alleviate the sexual tension) because this is what the bible says is the thing to do in this case. How many people here agree with that? Is this the correct solution in this case?

Thanks for clarifying this!


The main issue is not your advice but the way you may always impose the bible quotes when giving advice, as you may realise not everyone is religious. Although i am i can say that i dont always want to take quotes from the bible.

Then saying that we should not read your posts is a solution .... well thats a very selfish one at that especially if its in a thread where anyone has originally posted!! right?!

Sorry you consider offering of biblically based advice as an imposition.
It was meant only as a source of guidance for a person who asked for help.
Of course not everyone is religious. But everyone is a human being and biblical advice is applicable to all human moral problems. You don't always use biblical quotes. That's perfectly OK. Please grant those who do wish to use biblical quotes the same consideration. About not reading my posts, I would prefer that you do, It is only as a reaction to your protests that I offer the solution of not reading them. Only informing you of your options. Not selfish at all.


I have posted new thread in member discussion that is entitled "Topic Changing Threads" and I invite all of us to continue there with the debate about how to either solve this problem or anything else that comes forward. I am hoping we can all consider it Part II of this very thread?

Offering of relevant scripturally based advice does not constitute deviation from the topic. Neither does clarification of misunderstandings of such advice or the answering of questions in relation to that relevant advice.

BTW
Nothing else will come forward since I am not here to debate.
I will simply try to continue answering questions as usual and stay out of your way.

Krs
Jun 6, 2006, 02:47 PM
Thanx for clarifying this!



Sorry you consider offering of biblically based advice as an imposition.
It was meant only as a source of guidence for a person who asked for help.
Of course not everyone is religious. But everyone is a human being and biblical advice is applicable to all human moral problems. You don't always use biblical quotes. That's perfectly OK. Please grant those who do wish to use biblical quotes the same consideration. About not reading my posts, I would prefer that you do, It is only as a reaction to your protests that I offer the solution of not reading them. Only informing you of your options. Not selfish at all.


Im not saying that all in all biblical advice is an imposition, but maybe not everyone would like it as a source of guidance, you said its yourself not everyone is religious.



The kind of person who enters marriage in order to solve a temptation to sin problem is the kind of person who respects God's laws and wants to do things the way God tells us to. The kind of person who masturbates without concern or commits fornication in order to alleviate his passions would be the kind of person who doesn't care what God thinks and so any solution offered might be acceptable. I suppose that atheists or agnostics would be such kinds of persons since they tend to become their own law choosing for themselves what's right or wrong.

Genesis 3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. KJV

Now that is scary!

I really don't think that atheists or agnostics can be justified as "those kinds of persons"... So I can probably prove to you that the majority of the whole population are "those kind of people".

People who make their own law chosing for themselves are far more worse people such as :- rapists, killers, terrorists...
But not people who masterbate... For crying out loud!!

talaniman
Jun 6, 2006, 03:32 PM
Jeez! If a guy believes in the scriptures and frames his life and responses around the ,what's wrong with that? Rapist, killers and addicts are sick people. If they ask for help then give it to them.

Starman
Jun 6, 2006, 04:48 PM
....maybe not everyone would like it as a source of guidance, you said its yourself not everyone is religious.

People coming here for advice about morality are anonymous as far as their preferences are concerned. We can either assume that they are religious or assume that they are not. Since I am NOT a mind-reader I give people the benefit of the doubt! If it turns out that they find my advice helpful--then good. If not, then that's their choice. Ultimately no one is obligated one way or the other.


I really dont think that atheists or agnostics can be justified as "those kinds of persons"... So i can probably prove to you that the majority of the whole population are "those kind of people".

People who make their own law chosing for themselves are far more worse people such as :- rapists, killers, terrorists....
But not people who masterbate..... For crying out loud!!!!!


First, we are not here to condemn those who seek advice only to provide it if we think it might prove helpful. Second, I did not say that masturbators are people who make their own laws because saying that would be condemnatory against the person who requested assistance from us. Third, I am referring to those who make up their own rules as they go along without regard to any help from a creator. I sincerely doubt that you can say that about most of the people in Europe, and North and South America, where the Christian religion predominates.