I am a spiritual person. I do not understand for one minute why people, and that's to say A LOT of people literally try and push their religion and/or their beliefs on others. Giving somebody the proper tools to learn on their own is one thing, preaching is quite another. Many religions, spiritual beliefs speak of love and ACCEPTANCE... and anyone ever hear of not thinking you're better than everyone else? Am I the only one that thinks this is what's happening today? I personally think it is horribly sad.

You're not alone, trust me.

Why do people push religion on others, because they think they are right. By bringing you in to the mix they add yet another person to the flock, another person that thinks and feels the same way. It's confirmation that their beliefs are right, otherwise why would so many people follow one religion?

I have struggled with religion for many years, more than half my life. My conclusion, religion is man made and man run, teaching about a book that is also man written.

Only you can decide what you believe and why. If you are seeking religion then that's not a bad thing, if it's what you want. If you believe in the bible and it's teachings then that's what you should follow. If you have questions then you should be allowed to ask them. It's all up to you.

I do believe in God, but not in organized religion, nor do I believe that the bible is "the word of God". I refuse to be another sheep in the flock, but that's my preference.

Be proud of who you are and what you believe, you don't have to conform for anyone. :)

Hello Tralyn

I am Secular Humanist who respects other people's right to believe whatever suits them.
However : as you stated, a lot of theists try to push their religion and/or their beliefs on others. And there is no real reason for that at all. Not even for Christians, who have as their mission to "spread the word".

There is a huge difference between "spreading the word" and "forcing the word through other peoples throat. That this attitude calls for resistence and - often - in the end rejection of that "word" seems to escape many of them. I always state that who you are and what you are is better seen from your deeds than from your words ...

Sometimes I get the impression from the aggression and (often) hypocrisy with which that "preaching" happens, that some theists seem to think that every "saved soul" brings them one step further into heaven... So it seems that they are trying to raise their insurance premium against ending up in hell (if such establishment exists).

So I agree with you : I too think all that religious pressure is bad and horribly sad.

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Is it like a pyramid scheme, where the more souls you save, the more likely you are to go to heaven? I'm asking because I don't know that much about evangelism.

I just want to add that not all Christians are evangelical and even those who are are not all aggressive or unpleasant about it. I have had many pleasant conversations with evangelical Christians who treated me with respect and kindness even though I could not be saved, in their view at least.

I am so glad I'm not alone on my feelings about this. I am not in any way trying to target one religion with this post... I want to make that clear.

Soul saving? Ultimately wouldn't the person be saving their own soul though?

I too am very happy with my spirituality... I think organized religion is a big fat Crock but I also think that many people find extreme comfort in that and that is their choice. I think money circulating through religion is a bunch of crap too!

Being right and being saved is not the same as being better than others.

So people want you to find salvation because they care about you. If theydid not care about you they would never even try to convert you

If people care about you they would respect you by supplying you with the means to learn on your own don't you think? I never said that being right and being saved is the same as being better than others. Being right in religion and spirituality is a matter of opinion. Many act as though they are better than others.

Being right and being saved is not the same as being better than others.

so people want you to find salvation because they care about you. If theydid not care about you they would never even try to convert you

I think that's true in many cases, but if caring/proselytizing extends to strangers, it doesn't seem like a very personal kind of "caring."

When I was 15, a visitor in our house who was a friend of my sister's tried to convert me, first by talking to me for about an hour and then when I didn't convert right away, he started yelling at me. I ran outside crying to get away from him. I didn't know him at all and I'm not convinced he cared about me. :)

I have had people do almost the same thing to me and there is nothing that's worse than that when it comes to your core beliefs... having someone get hot tempered and literally yelling theirs at you.. yelling at you that you're wrong. That is just ridiculous to me. I am sorry you have experienced that too.. I found that so horrible when it happened to me. It made me think that they obviously were not truly happy with themselves and their spiritual lives, if so they would never ever approach a possible interested person in such a manner.

Perhaps this is a stretch, but I always thought a person's spirituality should bring them to a humble and happy place and I would think that is what they would want to condone and share with others.

When you refer to the people who get angry and yell at you for not believing what it is that they believe. That has nothing to do w/ a religion. That's stupidity. Plain and simple.

When you refer to the people who get angry and yell at you for not believing what it is that they believe. That has nothing to do w/ a religion. That's stupidity. Plain and simple.


I definitely agree with you, but it is how some people try to push their religious beliefs on you.

Many of those who push religion on others have been commanded by their church and minister to do so, since that is how they interpret certain Bible verses--"go and teach all nations." Churches have evangelism committees that plan mission campaigns not only to foreign countries but also in their own neighborhoods.

A big part of that is these people believe Jesus won't return to earth until all "people-groups" have been preached to and many have been converted. Thus, if an unbeliever won't convert, he is messing up the effort to get Jesus back because when Jesus returns, believers will go to heaven. *whew*

Also, these Christians (sort of like your mom) want what's best for you. *Aaaaaawwwwww* Of course, what THEY think is best for you and what YOU think is best for you usually isn't the same.

I haven't had a problem with dealing with religious proselytizers, and in fact, I was brought into a born again Christian church by a wonderful lady I met while working! I'm a happy atheist, secular humanist now.

Religions/churches that require that members go out and secure new converts really function like cults. It is about mind control and obedience. When the scripture was written, there were very few "Christians"... today, Christianity is the largest religion in the world!! The world **was** proselytized. Those who these folks preach to in America are preaching to other Christians. However, they have been told by their ministers that only his viewpoint is the correct viewpoint. The minister is interested in increasing the number of members in his church-megachurch. Those whose minds he controls do the proselytizing.

I go to church. I believe in God and the bible and what it teaches us. Our church definitely does things to try to bring people to our church. But we don't go about it ways that scare people. We hold community events. Picnics, family fun nights and things of that sort. We're there if you need support. Someone to talk to, cook you dinner or help you to the doctor. We do things in the community to let them know that we're here if they need us and we'd love for them to come to church w/ us! But NEVER do we get pushy about it. But I'll certainly always invite you and if you're busy, hey... maybe next time. But yelling and preaching for hours... you can show others what it's supposed to be about by your actions. It's not what you SAY it's what you DO.

YOu are correct, erin. Your church goes about proselytizing the right way.

The people you talk about are mentally ill or have their minds controlled by their minister and the scriptures he emphasizes----and are poor examples of Christianity.

YOu are correct, erin. Your church goes about proselytizing the right way.

The people you talk about are mentally ill or have their minds controlled by their minister and the scriptures he emphasizes----and are poor examples of Christianity.


Do you really think they are mentally ill Choux? I am really interested in that idea!

I don't only think it's people of the Christian faith that can be pushy, however, it does seem to be a large amount of what I've come across.

Here's my deal. I believe what matters is the goodness inside of you, the love you radiate and share unto others, the helping hand you can offer, sometimes the ability to not say a word and just listen (after all we have the one mouth and two ears right?). Don't you think that whatever Entity, God, Spiritual path you believe in would lovingly embrace you if these were the qualities you try to convey in every day life?

Let's not forget love and respect for the earth and the nature around us, for all living things (no - I'm not a vegeterian either).

What spiritual being, God, Goddess, Buddha, etc. etc. would encourage such things as pressuring others, fighting ruthlessly over religion, begging for money to 'support the cause' and even the religious wars? Don't you think that is ludicrous? I do!

I guess I just don't see it as pushing since if they knock at my door I can either talk with them or say I am not interested. What ever the situation you can just say you are not interested and walk away or make a comment showing it is a waste of time talking to you.

Once you allow them into your house they can get a bit pushy and you have to make it clear when you have had enough but you had to have realized they were there to push their religion in the first place.

What I don't like is when you try to point out where their belief is faulty even proving it from the Bible and they would rather believe what their religion teaches. IF they do not claim to be of the Christian faith that is one thing but to claim you follow the Bible and then change the meaning to fit your religion is another. Like they will omit or add if to a verse to make it mean what they want.
I understand no one religion has the whole truth because some things can be taken differently; but when you twist stuff to fit your belief when it is clear that isn't what it means that is another thing.

I guess I just don't see it as pushing since if they knock at my door I can either talk with them or say I am not interested.
As per the topic the question is more : WHY do people push religion on others?
Why can't they just believe the way they want and leave others to believe what they prefer to believe?

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Everybody can believe what they want to believe. :D

WHY do people push religion on others?
As my previous post is explaining
How do you feel others are pushing their religion on you if you put yourself in the line of fire? :D

As per the topic the question is more : WHY do people push religion on others?
Why can't they just believe the way they want and leave others to believe what they prefer to believe?
They want you to be happy, Cred--as happy as they are.

They want you to be happy, Cred--as happy as they are.
That's fine. But why do so many of them have to be told to keep their happiness and shove it in their...
"Spread the word" is one thing. Forcing it upon people is quite something else!

And when I see them I often ask myself if they really are so happy. I don't think so...

:rolleyes:

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Tralyn said,
"Perhaps this is a stretch, but I always thought a person's spirituality should bring them to a humble and happy place and I would think that is what they would want to condone and share with others."

Spirituality is different from religion. Spirituality can and does bring people to a happy, humble place in their lives. That isn't a stretch at all, is it?

Many of those who attempt to cram their religious views down other's throats lack spirituality. Lacking spirituality seems to be a prime ingredient in the recipe for superiority.

I agree 100% religion is not really Christian. It is a form of Christianity but lacks spirituality.

Lacking spirituality seems to be a prime ingredient in the recipe for superiority.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH... love that strong and powerful statement!!

That's fine. But why do so many of them have to be told to keep their happiness and shove it in their .....
"Spread the word" is one thing. Forcing it upon people is quite something else!

And when I see them I often ask myself if they really are so happy. I don't think so ....

:rolleyes:

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They are wrong and very unChristian. Jesus said to love others, not force him down others' throats.

Religion is organizations. Nothing spiritual.

In the town that I grew up in I witnessed people who claimed to be Catholic through and through, went to church every Sunday, in their Sunday best, showed their faces at all the religious events, went out for brunch afterwards... on and on...

More often than not their children thought they were better than me because I was brought up in a Lutheran church. The lifted their nose at me and the other lutheran children. They were snots plain and simple. Their parents also acted snooty, many of them had affairs on their spouses, (in a small town you hear everything about everyone), many of them frequented the bars and got extremely plastered, being beligerent and rude.

But every Sunday, they played a role... made me sick. They were no better than anybody else and yet they acted it. Has anyone else noticed that in others?

They are wrong and very unChristian. Jesus said to love others, not force him down others' throats. Religion is organizations. Nothing spiritual.
Ok. But once more my question : "Why are so many of them trying to force their religious views onto others"? Doesn't anyone of them realize that their attitude drives people with other views away from the intended missionary goal? Why can't most of them not accept my clear "No, thank you"??

:rolleyes:

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I answered you on page 2 --


Many of those who push religion on others have been commanded by their church and minister to do so, since that is how they interpret certain Bible verses--"go and teach all nations." Churches have evangelism committees that plan mission campaigns not only to foreign countries but also in their own neighborhoods.

A big part of that is these people believe Jesus won't return to earth until all "people-groups" have been preached to and many have been converted. Thus, if an unbeliever won't convert, he is messing up the effort to get Jesus back because when Jesus returns, believers will go to heaven.

Also, these Christians want what's best for you. Of course, what THEY think is best for you and what YOU think is best for you usually isn't the same.

Pushing, they think, is more effective than a gentle approach when you won't take them seriously. They want to scare you into heaven.

I answered you on page 2
I referred to my post #21 and your post #25.


Pushing, they think, is more effective than a gentle approach when you won't take them seriously. They want to scare you into heaven.
You keep referring to Christians and Christianity. I refer to religion in general (Other Religion). Of all major religions only Judaism and Buddhism have so far been non-pushing their belief, and tolerant to other views.

:rolleyes:

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I referred to my post #21 and your post #25.


You keep referring to Christians and Christianity. I refer to religion in general (Other Religion). Of all major religions only Judaism and Buddhism have so far been non-pushing their belief, and tolerant to other views.
I am Christian and know only how Christians think. I work with two Hindu women who do not even talk about their religion, much less push it on anyone.

We have a Muslim on site, firmbeliever, so maybe you will get a response from that religion.

What religions have you noticed as pushy?

What religions have you noticed as pushy?
Christianity is number one, as that includes the mission to "go and spread the word".
Unfortunately as with so many other statements in the Bible that mission statement is open for wide personal interpretation. Some Christians even find it necessary to push their religion through other people's throat. Is that pushy enough for you?

:rolleyes:

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Christianity is number one, as that includes the mission to "go and spread the word".
Unfortunately as with so many other statements in the Bible that mission statement is open for wide personal interpretation. Some Christians even find it necessary to push their religion through other people's throat. Is that pushy enough for you?:rolleyes: ·
The poster (you) had said it wasn't only Christians doing it, so I had asked who else, what other religions do it. No eye-rolling is necessary.

In the town that I grew up in I witnessed people who claimed to be Catholic through and through, went to church every Sunday, in their Sunday best, showed their faces at all the religious events, went out for brunch afterwards... on and on...

More often than not their children thought they were better than me because I was brought up in a Lutheran church. The lifted their nose at me and the other lutheran children. They were snots plain and simple. Their parents also acted snooty, many of them had affairs on their spouses, (in a small town you hear everything about everyone), many of them frequented the bars and got extremely plastered, being beligerent and rude.

But every Sunday, they played a role.... made me sick. They were no better than anybody else and yet they acted it. Has anyone else noticed that in others?

OMG, your story is so similar to mine that it sent shivers down my spine. My friends Catholic parents told me I was going to hell because I wasn't Catholic. They told my parents that they were neglectful because they hadn't made me Catholic and forced me to go to the Catholic Church.

These same wonderful Christians molested their kids, beat them, cheated on their spouses, cheated employees, employers, everyone they could get away with. Every Sunday they put on their best clothes, the children got bathed and fed and dressed in their finest, and off they'd go to Church to be fake in front of God.

Of course not all of them, but too many to ignore, and enough of them that it turned me off organized religion forever.

God yes, religion, bible, no thank you.

The poster (you) had said it wasn't only Christians doing it, so I had asked who else, what other religions do it.
In a way almost all religions do that. It's just Christianity that is worst with that.
And as an indication : certain groups within Islam are neither open too much tolerance of other religious and/or non-religious views. Ask the people in New York !
And I also see the Hari-Khrisna's frequently going from door to door to spread their message.


No eye-rolling is necessary.
Sure, not necessary, but it displays my opinion perfectly! Here are some other smilies !

:cool: :D :mad: :( ;)

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God yes, religion, bible, no thank you.
Not my personal view, but a totally valid opinion !

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Altenweg - isn't it the truth? I honestly think that is when I started to get turned off to organized religion as well. I found it as a place where people hid their true selves behind and it was ugly to me. I'm so glad I'm not alone in my experiences!

Tralyn, you are definitely not alone. :)

I am a spritual person. I do not understand for one minute why people, and that's to say A LOT of people literally try and push their religion and/or their beliefs on others. Giving somebody the proper tools to learn on their own is one thing, preaching is quite another. Many religions, spiritual beliefs speak of love and ACCEPTANCE... and anyone ever hear of not thinking youre better than everyone else? Am I the only one that thinks this is what's happening today? I personally think it is horribly sad.
In Christianity it is called "Witnessing"
They try to sway you to their way of thinking because
It's the Christian thing to do-
And they become so passionate about it they can get mean-
My father is a preacher and I am a Pagan- it has caused many heated discussions

If a religion teaches you that everyone else is going to hell- and you like someone or
You care about people- You BELIEVE that they will go to hell if they don't believe what you believe- that is why they do it

Since I know the bible and other assorted religious works pretty well- I usually
End up stumping the person trying to convert me- I get written off as a 'lost cause'
*rolls eyes

In Christianity it is called "Witnessing"
They try to sway you to their way of thinking because
It's the Christian thing to do-
And they become so passionate about it they can get mean-
My father is a preacher and I am a Pagan- it has caused many heated discussions

If a religion teaches you that everyone else is going to hell- and you like someone or
You care about people- You BELIEVE that they will go to hell if they don't believe what you believe- that is why they do it

Since I know the bible and other assorted religious works pretty well- I usually
End up stumping the person trying to convert me- I get written off as a 'lost cause'
*rolls eyes

In Christianity it is called "Witnessing"...
Correct, but there is more to that : the Christian Mission is to "spread the word".
Unfortunately many Christians do not "spread the word", but go overboard by trying to force their religious views onto others - totally AGAINST their Christian Mission, in the mistaken belief that they will be rewarded towards the number of converts they managed, or that it is their duty to "save" people against their own will.

:rolleyes:

The Bible says for the believers to go out and spread the word, some just do it is a way that is offense to others.

The Bible says for the believers to go out and spread the word, some just do it is a way that is offense to others.
It is not just a different way that is offensive.
There is a huge difference between "spreading the word" and "forcing the word through your throat", specially as it is clearly against someone's wish.

:rolleyes:

I have to agree with Cred. If I ask about someone's beliefs then I should be prepared to get all the info they want to tell me. But if I don't ask and that info is given anyway, and I make it clear that I don't want to hear it, well that's not acceptable.

I know the Christian mission, they believe that they will be rewarded in heaven if they go out and spread the word. The more people they bring into the fold, the greater the reward.

If someone asks me about my faith and is really intersted, I'll tell them, but I don't believe that I'll be rewarded if they decided to believe the same things I do. For me belief is it's own reward, I don't have to force my beliefs on anyone else. :)

I know the Christian mission, they believe that they will be rewarded in heaven if they go out and spread the word. The more people they bring into the fold, the greater the reward.
I think I mentioned this in this thread or in a similar one. I think the "push" has more to do with preaching to all the world so that Jesus returns for the Second Coming, not for a reward.

I know the Christian mission, they believe that they will be rewarded in heaven if they go out and spread the word. The more people they bring into the fold, the greater the reward.


The "mission" of christians who follow the example of Jesus is to spread the message that God's kingdom is soon to bring relief and peace to the entire earth, and that their reward will be eternal life not in heaven but on earth. This reward is believed to be the same for all no matter how many people they "save".

We and we are everyone, want everyone the agree with us. It would make it so much easier knowing that everyone believes like you. I would love everyone to believe the way I do. I would never have to worry about saying or doing something to offend someone else or someone else saying or doing to offend me. Since everyone does not believe as I do I say and do as I want and try to let it go if someone bothers me, doesn't always work and try to apologize if I bother someone else again doesn't always happen but I do my best. Oh, I'm Right. Sorry just kidding.