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Cern will start up today its Hadron collider for the first time. And on 10 September 2008 it will go on "full steam".

See this link to Cern article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider) .

That collider COULD produce one or more tiny "black holes". If these black holes are not auto-self-extinguishing , "end-of-times" may be later today. So as per the scouts motto : BE PREPARED !!!

Have a quick look here to see what may be awaiting us all... it could be your last chance to see it... :D

YouTube - The CERN black hole Déjà vu (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXzugu39pKM&feature=related) <----- See this !!!

I know that from the science side they ensure us that there is no real danger.
But how do you approach such a possible potential danger for all life on earth from a religious point of view?
Any comments are welcome !

:rolleyes:

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Anyone who concerns themselves with an end of the world scenario is a chicken little . It reminds me of the global warming alarmists... alot of hot air over nothing .

Anyone who concerns themselves with an end of the world scenario is a chicken little . It reminds me of the global warming alarmists ...alot of hot air over nothing .As always rude and besides the question, is it not, Tom? So that was your religious point of view?

I am already at least surprised that you did not blame Obama for it !

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For what ? Global warming or black holes ? (disclaimer... nothing racial implied )

As for my religious postition; my religion has no conflict with serious moral scientific exploration.

You mean auto-self-extinguishing, right?

·But how do you approach such a possible potential danger for all life on earth from a religious point of view?·It's all part of god's great plan.

You mean auto-self-extinguishing, right?
Right ! Thanks for posting that. Had that corrected immediately !

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Everyone there still alive and well ?
I guess we will have to wait till 10 September 2008 when the Hadron Collider at Cern will go on "full steam" !

Time enough to get prepared for the Big Day!!

:rolleyes:

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Sorry Crev the world did end, and you are now in hell where everyone just believes and there is no facts

... "and there is no facts"...

In that case nice to see you here, Chuck ! Do you already know why you are here?
And I note that even in "hell" the spelling/grammar remains atrocious...

:D :D :D :D :D

Sorry Crev the world did end, and you are now in hell where everyone just beleives and there is no factsI guess all that praying and living per the bible got you nowhere. :)

Hello Cred:

Well, this is the day after, and I'm still here... But... there's this big black thing in the sky... Wait a minute!! It's growing! OMG, it's getting bigger... It's filling the sky... It's overtaking me. It's...

e...

Jeeze, I missed it.

I just used Google earth, and found the spot where "ex" was when the black hole got him.

Anyone want to share his stash?

Well, this is the day after, and I'm still here.... But.... there's this big black thing in the sky... Wait a minute!!! It's growing!! OMG, it's getting bigger... It's filling the sky... It's overtaking me. It's ............ e.......
Sucked up... At last...
As Chuck suggested you should now also be in hell, together with him !
Or be with Chuck, making it (a) hell... (See # 10)

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Wow, glad I saw this after the fact. ;)


But how do you approach such a possible potential danger for all life on earth from a religious point of view?
Any comments are welcome !

I didn't check back to see how other people answered, so I'll just state what I would do, but I don't know if I can call it a religious point of view. Okay a believers point of view, or as Cred has told me, and I agree, a Deist's point of view;

If I believed, truly believed, that the world was going to end, well, then I'd gather my family and friends around me for a potluck dinner, have both my kids on my lap, hug them constantly, tell them how much I love them, even though they already know that. I'd make love to my husband one last time, and I'd pull out all the stops. ;) Then, I'd wait, nothing I can do. Oh, I'd probably go outside to see the big show with the whole family.

Now, having said that, I've seen allot of death in my 37 years, so I try to live each day as if it were my last. I don't always succeed in that, but I do try. No, I don't have potluck dinners every day, but the rest is pretty accurate. ;)

Everyone there still alive and well ?
I guess we will have to wait till 10 September 2008 when the Hadron Collider at Cern will go on "full steam" !

Time enough to get prepared for the Big Day !!!

:rolleyes:

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Wait, just saw this. Darnit, My birthday is September 14, looks like I'll miss it this year. That sucks. ;):)

Wait, just saw this. Darnit, My birthday is September 14, looks like I'll miss it this year. That sucks. ;):)
Hhhmmmm : make sure to celebrate it a week earlier... just in case !

:rolleyes:

Hmmmmm2 : have to remember : alty : 9-14- uhhhhhhhh : which year was that?

:D :p :D

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Year? Dare I tell? Oh what the heck, 1970. So, I'll be celebrating my 28th birthday for the 10th time this year. ;)

Year? Dare I tell? Oh what the heck, 1970. So, I'll be celebrating my 28th birthday for the 10th time this year. ;)
Oh dear oh dear oh dear... 28 years young and already such a big...

Well... Uhmm...

You're in my little red book !

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August and September are busy months for the Altenweg family. My daughter turns 6 on August 26, my son turns 10 on Setpember 4. By the time my birthday comes around we're too exhausted to do anything. ;)

So, when's your birthday? Will you get to celebrate this year, what with the world ending and all? ;)

So, when's your birthday? Will you get to celebrate this year, what with the world ending and all? ;)
Seems I just make it to that ! Some 2 weeks before "Z" day ! The 21' of August is the day I was born. 5 minutes passed midnight was the first time I informed people around me of my opinion(s)...

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Lots of fun here! As to the final question of the original post, any Sunday School junior knows that mankind is not going to destroy this planet, or themselves. The question is irrelevant.

Matthew 24:36-


Lets "see' if these Higgs boson is for real ;)

Matthew 24:36-


Lets "see' if these Higgs boson is for real ;)
Not sure what you are saying. That passage is not describing the end of the world. That is given here:

2 Pet 3:10
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
(KJV)

And man is not going to do this. Jehovah is. And still it is not the end of everything, just a new beginning.

Ps. Don't worry about it. It will not happen for more than 1000 years yet.

Not sure what you are saying. That passage is not describing the end of the world
Indeed. And neither will heaven and earth pass away. Both will still be there, though earth (very unlikely) in a different - extremely compact - format.

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My guess is that the earth will be here long after humans have disappeared .

my guess is that the earth will be here long after humans have disappeared .
That is a near certainty. The question in this topic is only : in what format??

As an habitual planet where other lifeforms continue to live, as an in-habitual planet destroyed for most or all life by human made pollution and/or (military) actions, as an oven-like planet like Venus due to run out-of-hand warming up processes, or a human made small black hole due to human haughtiness and/or over-inflated ego.

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my guess is that the earth will be here long after humans have disappeared . Until our sun goes supernova.

Until our sun goes supernova.
Not really. The sun is not expected to go supernova, but calculations show that when she goes nova in about 4-5 Billion years from now, earth will be absorbed into the hot gas shell, resulting in total disintegration of everything on and in earth into atoms. All atoms will become part of the sun's core and/or atmosphere. And the parts that remains in the suns atmosphere will later - once the sun blows off it's shell - be on their way to manure the rest of our galaxy.

Happy journeys!

Note : still I thank inthebox for his entry. So far it was the only real religious touch to the topic question.

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Since this IS a religious discussion, you will forgive me if my input is Bible based, right?
The scripture I gave above tells us that THIS world and everything in it will be burned up. The Bible tells also that there will be an new Earth, and that it will be inhabited by humans. Since you have absolutely nothing else to base any prognostications on, you are forced to consider that just such a future is coming.

Sorry Crev the world did end, and you are now in hell where everyone just beleives and there is no facts

Or at least, everyone has their own facts.

This is a review of a book (My Facts, Your Facts) that says that more and more of us only listen to sources of information that tell us what we want to hear.

CJR: My Facts, Your Facts (http://www.cjr.org/review/my_facts_your_facts.php)

How many times has the bible predicted the end of the world? How many times have we been told to kiss our loved ones goodbye because the end is near? Our kind, caring, gentle God will become angry and kill everyone on earth. Not the God I believe in.

The End Of The World - Bible Prophecies (http://www.broadcaster.org.uk/section2/transcript/hell1.htm)

Maybe the world will end one day, but in our lifetime?

And after reading the scriptures in that link, I am even more firm in denying the bible as the "word of God".

Just my take on it.

How many times has the bible predicted the end of the world?
To be fair : most of the times that is brought up, it is not done so by the bible, but by humans interpreting the bible towards supporting their own ideas. Of course the lack of clarity, mistakes, and contradictions in the bible allow the blooming of misuse and misinterpretation.


Maybe the world will end one day, but in our lifetime?The world will end one day : that is a near certainty. But science tells us that that will take some 4 to 5 billion years from now. No need to worry now, I would say. There is more reason to worry about the end of our species, and about all life on earth. I am worried about the selfish misuse of our sole common spaceship earth. By all who cause all kinds of pollution on our planet, for the causes for "global warming" that are the result of human activities, and for scientific experiments of any kind that threatens the quality of life on earth, and/or earth itself.


And after reading the scriptures in that link, I am even more firm in denying the bible as the "word of God".You are free to believe whatever you prefer !

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Most of the species that have ever lived are now extinct--99% by some estimates. No reason to think we will be outperform these other stocks. I think we should accept our own inevitable extinction the way we are told to accept death. (I haven't yet!) Of course, like everyone else, I'd like to put off human extinction as long as possible, for the sake of my kids and grand kids and, more generally, everyone in future generations. But at some level, we have to accept that humans aren't here forever. I don't think that's something most people think about much. It's fun to think we might colonize other planets and extend our existence by another billion years or so. But that's probably unlikely, isn't it?

Most of the species that have ever lived are now extinct--99% by some estimates. No reason to think we will be outperform these other stocks. I think we should accept our own inevitable extinction the way we are told to accept death. (I haven't yet!) Of course, like everyone else, I'd like to put off human extinction as long as possible, for the sake of my kids and grand kids and, more generally, everyone in future generations. But at some level, we have to accept that humans aren't here forever. I don't think that's something most people think about much. It's fun to think we might colonize other planets and extend our existence by another billion years or so. But that's probably unlikely, isn't it?
Indeed. I doubt very strongly if that is likely. We are nearing a time when slowly but surely we will have to start better prioritize our human goals, in view of the available energy and raw material shortages.
Inter-solar research and discovery will increase. But inter-galaxtic? I doubt that strongly !
Too expensive in many respects, too difficult, too far, and too many problems with the consequences of relativity. Humanity has still not learned to really co-operate on a grand scale, and I fear that that will only happen when it is essential for survival of humanity as a species - when it is too late to be effective for sowing our species into the universe.

And religion is not something that brings humanity together neither - the reverse is more true!

The Captain Kirk's and Starfleet are science fiction and will remain being that - though often it is big fun to read, see, and dream about them...

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Does it really matter whether CERN blow us all up. Or some crazy with a nuclear bomb(s). Personally I've had a bloody good life, so far anyway, a few ups and downs, but overall, I am healthy, have a roof over my head, and a full (very full some might say) belly. A lot better than many.

At least if there is a big bang the bloody earth will move for my ex-wives... at last. (Thought I'd lower the tone of this thread)

Peronally I lok forward to hell, heaven strikes me as a quiet place very serene, take me to the party! Although, if everyone and his dog would wait until my granddaughter grows up a bit, much appreciated, TA!

Have a good life all

Cern would not blow us all up. It may implode us into something with a diameter of only several meters. It surely will not be a kind of Big Bang - would it ever happen, though the effect for all of us would be the same - almost total annihilation.

There is something to say for your preference for hell (if it exists). Most nice and interesting people would be found there...

And yes - we all want our offspring to have all the good of life too, as they seem the real and only way for (our) "eternity" !

Have a good life too, colbtech !

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Well if the planet and everything on it reduces by the same amount, damn we're going to be very friendly. :D

Surely if heaven exists then hell must too? After working for 30 odd years for some real "works of art" employers, I think I'm in hell now! (without the parties)

Inter-solar research and discovery will increase. But inter-galaxtic? I doubt that strongly !
Too expensive in many respects, too difficult, too far, and too many problems with the consequences of relativity.

That's the way I see it. Actually I have my doubts about human travel of the solar system . We have not really conquered the challenges of the effect of weightlessness in low earth orbit. We are making great strides in robotics ;but that won't find us another place to inhabit when the next killer rock collides with the earth.

Your comments about relativity is the reason that I doubt we have been visited from other galactic travellers . If they had indeed beaten the challenges then why would they keep it secret ? Why is it that only people South of the Mason-Dixon line or west of the Mississippi River living in trailers ever see them ?

As far as available energy and raw material shortages ;I still have a strong belief in human adaptability ;and ingenuity .

So you want a religious point of view on the end times? I take it that is what you are looking for as to your reply to Tomder.

People always say don't listen to anybody that predicts the end times because it has been predicted many times over the years and we have already had everything from famine and earthquakes to Hitler that are claimed as the end times int the Bible. Besides the Bible says no man can know the day or the hour.


OKAY BUT
The Bible DOES say we WILL know THE season, basically meaning the generation.
To me that means that the generation in the end times will KNOW not just guess as other generations have done
The Bible also DOES say that there will be famines and earthquakes and Hilter types throughout the centuries

BUT the difference is the timing
Not all these things have lined up according to the way the Bible says before in history
Before the 1948 had not happened and therefore the end times could not be before 1948

The Bible says that Israel would again become a nation and the fig tree would bloom before the end times. That was 1948.

The Bible says that not only will there be famine and earthquakes and other weather conditions in the end times but that they will increase with severity and frequency and in place that have never experienced them before.

Since you don't take to heart what the Bible says in any way of believing it I don't see any reason to go into the rest of the end times but NO according to Bible prophesy you have a very good chance of dying of old age Cred0.
We have at least over a decade to two or more to go.

So you want a religious point of view on the end times?
I asked in my topic starter : "I know that from the science side they ensure us that there is no real danger. But how do you approach such a possible potential danger for all life on earth from a religious point of view? Any comments are welcome !"

So I did not ask for a religious point of view on the end (of) times, but for how you approach such a possible potential danger for all life on earth by Cern starting up it's hadron collider (and many other dangerous experiments by other scientists) from a religious point of view.

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And my explanation was that from ''a religious point of view'' it ain't going to happen.
Man is using much more sneaky deceptive forms to destroy the earth and the population. IF by the time they would do the CERN it is going to be the very end Biblically anyway and they will already have the population down to under 2/3rds of what it is. IF they do not use any thing like CERN they will just continuing destroying the earth and population as they are already.

And my explanation was that from ''a religious point of view'' it ain't gonna happen.
Man is using much more sneaky deceptive forms to destroy the earth and the population. IF by the time they would do the CERN it is going to be the very end Biblically anyway and they will already have the population down to under 2/3rds of what it is. IF they do not use any thing like CERN they will just continuing destroying the earth and population as they are already.

I think you mean the LHC, CERN is an organization established in 1954 to provide for high energy physics research.

Okay I probably do I am not good at keeping some things straight like numbers or letters
Like LHC or CERN.
Thanks :D

Hi everyone. A bit off topic here. There is a book that reminds me of what you all are talking about. If memory services CERN is discussed in the book.

Here's the book title if anyone is interested, it's a wonderful read, a battle between religion and science. Of course it's fiction, but still...

Angels & Demons by Dan Brown.

Sorry, just thought I'd let you all know, back to the topic. :)

It seems more that you have no idea what Cern is really doing, and that you have little understanding of the dangers science research is forcing upon 6 Billion+ people day after day.

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It seems more that you have no idea what Cern is really doing, and that you have little understanding of the dangers science research is forcing upon 6 Billion+ people day after day.

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Aack! What a trouble maker! But you do make a case for keeping an eye on what science is discovering and trying to do. I am a big fan of the idea of an enlightened citizenry...

... But you do make a case for keeping an eye on what science is discovering and trying to do. I am a big fan of the idea of an enlightened citizenry...
Actually I do not have so much problems with dangerous research itself (like medical/military smallpox, ebola, and nervegas, like nuclear and extreme high energy for fundamental physics) , but more with the poor communication and information to the general public of the danger involved in these forms of research. Most people have no idea what is going on, and what dangers to them are involved.

I do not really expect on 10 September 2008 to be united with all of you in one single small black hole. But it seems to me to be preferably if more people knew what went on around them.

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It seems more that you have no idea what Cern is really doing, and that you have little understanding of the dangers science research is forcing upon 6 Billion+ people day after day.

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I DO see the immediate danger that many people with power ARE doing NOW to people that is causing billions to die NOW and people do not even realize what is going on!

MY cousin was an innocent victim out of hundreds and thousands just two weeks ago today.

NoHelp, I'm so sorry to hear about your cousin, my heart goes out to you and your family.

I DO see the immediate danger that many people with power ARE doing NOW to people that is causing billions to die NOW and people do not even realize what is going on!
MY cousin was an innocent victim out of hundreds and thousands just two weeks ago today.
I do not see that concern in your earlier posts. See also my explanation to "asking" for my concern in this matter in post #50.

Please tell us what actually happened to your cousin.

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WELCOME TO EXIT MUNDI: A COLLECTION OF END-OF-WORLD SCENARIOS (http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm)

WELCOME TO EXIT MUNDI
An extremely interesting and actually funny collection of doom scenario's ! Well worth free reading on that website! I know Maarten Keulemans very well. Excellent journalist and writer !

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I like the one about the attacks on the Y chromosome. Very funny, although I would take it with a grain of salt. :)

And my explanation was that from ''a religious point of view'' it ain't gonna happen.
Man is using much more sneaky deceptive forms to destroy the earth and the population. IF by the time they would do the CERN it is going to be the very end Biblically anyway and they will already have the population down to under 2/3rds of what it is. IF they do not use any thing like CERN they will just continuing destroying the earth and population as they are already.

Then I take it you did not see this post. #44.

Your original question was end-of-times later today from a religious point of view?
I replied NO # 42 and explained why it will be years from now (but I believe within the next generation) from a Biblical point of view.

What I am saying is that the 'the system' is not being honest with us. Look at what they did to the Tuskegee airmen, agent orange and other things. They are hooking American's on drugs and other things and saying it is good for them when it is what is actually killing us. Think about this and really see the possibly, American's go to the doctor because they have a heart problem, kidney problem whatever. They get the medicines. Go back for problems with the meds so the doctor prescribes more meds to counteract the side effects. Eventually they are a walking medicine cabinet. They end up dying.The cause of death is ruled their original ailment and NOT that the meds killed them. Look at the Vioxx and all the hundreds of class action lawsuits against the pharmaceutical industries in the past few years.
So I am saying they ARE quite capable of killing off billions through sneakier methods without resorting to your CERN post.


Coumadin? Is It Bad Stuff? (http://www.oralchelation.com/faq/answers10.htm)


My cousin died from Coumadin
Coumadin is warfarin, the main ingredient in rat
Poison. It is not just a harmless little
Pill, there are very real risks involved in treating with
It.

My cousin died from Coumadin. Coumadin is warfarin, the main ingredient in rat poison. it is not just a harmless little pill, there are very real risks involved in treating with it.
Hundreds of Millions of people daily take Coumadin, and it saves their lives. An essential medicin for many people with heart problems and/or vascular disease.
Of course an overdosis is dangerous, requiring immediate intake of vitamin K.
But than : even an overdosis of asperine can be deadly.

How could your cousin die from Coumadin (I specially ask as you used that point in view of some serious dangers from science research)

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So if millions die that is okay because it saves millions

Any way that was not the point of what I was getting at
The point is if they want to kill us they will because they CAN at any time start putting stuff in our foods and medicines that do kill us by the billions and not the millions.
They could find more natural things that actually get to the root of the problem rather than masking the problem and then claiming they died from the ailment instead of the medicine. I cured my dog of cancer with herbal treatments alone so why is that so complicated for the drug industry? Instead they want to push their meds because it is a multi million dollar industry.

Really I have to ask myself why so many people are being given so many prescriptions?
It doesn't seem normal that people should have to rely on 16 to 20 meds to live a poor quality of life. Something doesn't sound right with it and nobody seems to care.

I have often wondered about that too NoHelp. Are medicines helpful or harmful. Take the cure for Cancer, radiation treatment, Chemotherapy, and more drugs than you can shake a stick at. I lost two parents to cancer. This disease is horrible, but the drugs, the "cure" are almost worse.

Around 1 month before my mother died we went to an herbalist, he was also a pulse reader. He claimed that every illness that's in your body can be found through your pulse. I don't know how, or why, but we decided to give it a try. I was extremely skeptical, I told my mother that we'd go, but not to say anything about her health, let's see if he can figure out what's wrong. Well, I was amazed, he sat for 5 minutes with my mothers arm in his hand, feeling her pulse. He looked at her and said, you are dying, there is infection in your bones, lungs, breasts, brain, even in your blood. Your entire body is shutting down, you won't last a month. The only thing he got wrong, at that time, was that my mothers cancer hadn't spread to her brain, well, 1 week later we found out differently. In other words, he was right.

He said he could treat her, that he could give her a shot at survival, but that she'd have to stop the chemotherapy and all the other drugs, take his natural herbs instead. We thought about it, we really did, but we believed in modern medicine and we were too afraid to try something else.

Of course my mother died. I often wonder, would she still be alive if we had done what he said?

So if millions die that is okay because it saves millions
Did I suggest that? All I stated was that it is taken as medicine by hundreds of Millions of people daily. Not taking it would certainly result in huge numbers of these people dying very soon.


Any way that was not the point of what I was getting at the point is if they want to kill us they will because they CAN at any time start putting stuff in our foods and medicines that do kill us by the billions and not the millions.
CAN , WHO ? The scientists or the authorities? The subject was the dangers of scientific research, not the dangers of incompetent and/or murderous authorities.
What kind of paranoia is that anyway ?

And once more : "How could/did your cousin die from Coumadin"?

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If you can't follow that they can kill us any way they want scientists, authorities whoever then never mind. It is no more paranoid than worrying about the world getting blown up by the end of the day

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If you can't follow that they can kill us any way they want scientists, authorities whoever then never mind. It is no more paranoid than worrying about the world getting blown up by the end of the day
I can follow the suggestion, but I see no reason for such a delusion. CAN , WHO , WHY ? The scientists or the authorities? The subject was the dangers of scientific research, not the dangers of incompetent and/or murderous scientists and/or authorities. What kind of paranoia is that anyway to suggest that ?

The danger of Cern starting up it's hadron collider was real , though - admitted - small. And that danger is still there on 10-9-2008, when they intend to go on full steam. If than a disaster happens it would not be so intended. I have explained my concerns to the dangers of unintended possible disasters , and about the lack of information and open discussions about that very clearly before.
The danger of deliberate worlwide poisoning of the entire worldpopulation by scientist is not real but pure paranoia.

And once again my earlier question : "How could/did your cousin die from Coumadin"?

:rolleyes:

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