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magicalpig
Aug 3, 2008, 11:15 AM
Hello,
I have a microwave oven which I am going to need to hardwire. The circuit (dedicated) is 12 awg and the breaker is 20amp. The power cord of the oven is 14 awg and the output is 1.58KW (13A, yes?). Will I be allowed to connect the power cord of the oven to the 12 gauge wire?
Thank you
KISS
Aug 3, 2008, 11:22 AM
Yes, because the microwave has an internal fuse.
stanfortyman
Aug 3, 2008, 11:41 AM
Also, the power cord has nothing to do with the branch circuit. You are NOT mixing wire sizes.
tkrussell
Aug 3, 2008, 12:12 PM
Well, you have two positive answers, how about one negative.
Does the manufacturers instructions explain that this unit can be "hardwired" using the cord? I doubt it.
My interpretation of hardwire would be the #12-2 cable connecting to directly to the unit, which may or may not be allowed with your unit.
If you cut the male plug end off the cord, and splice it onto the #12 cable, this will violate the UL listing of the unit, and violate the electric code by including cord into the system.
Cutting off the male plug also eliminates the required service disconnect the plug and outlet offered.
Why do you feel it is necessary to hardwire this unit? You can drill a hole in a cabinet to allow the cord to pass through to where the outlet is located.
stanfortyman
Aug 3, 2008, 12:29 PM
Wow. I totally missed the word "hardwire". :(
TK is completely correct on this.
Washington1
Aug 3, 2008, 12:40 PM
Never seen a stand alone micro hardwired.
stanfortyman
Aug 3, 2008, 12:54 PM
I am also VERY curious (and skeptical) as to why is HAS to be hardwired?
KISS
Aug 3, 2008, 03:08 PM
Me Too! Missed the hardwired. Good catch.
magicalpig
Aug 4, 2008, 08:25 AM
Stanfortyman, you are justified in your skepticism: it doesn't HAVE to be hardwired. I am trying to minimize the amount of wall tearing I'll have to do because of a mistake in my initial design. I thought I could get away with not having to drill through the bottom of the cabinet and instead plug into a recessed, wall clock outlet directly behind the mwave. When I got down to business after already having installed said outlet in new construction fashion, I saw that the plug was too long to fit in the recessed outlet and would push the microwave away from the wall. I considered splicing a different style plug onto the cord, but I still had another problem: the cord which exits from the top of the microwave was too thick to route between the unit and the upper cabinets and then down the back of the unit to where the outlet was. I was now considering modifying the microwave so the cord exited from the back. At this point I realized what a big mess I was in just to avoid drilling into my cabinets.
The proper way to fix this (I think) would be to remove the recessed outlet and splice some more romex into that location. Run the romex higher up the wall to a spot behind the cabinet and terminate it at a new 15-amp receptacle which will be accessed through a cutout in the back of the cabinet.
Last night, I didn't quite follow that prescription. I ran the extra romex to behind the cabinet, but I didn't wire in a receptacle -- I was still planning on hardwiring -- but this was before I read everyone's responses here today.
Tkrussel, I don't at all doubt what you're saying, but I just don't understand why the UL Listing and electrical code will be violated if I do this. Can you explain why please?
Thanks everybody
tkrussell
Aug 4, 2008, 05:02 PM
Rather than me try to explain the listing, read this from Underwriters Laboratories to get you started:
UL | Field Modifications (http://www.ul.com/regulators/modification.cfm)
As far as the code issue, hard to show that since what you proposed is not allowed nor addressed in the electric code by any language in so many words that an appliance can be hardwired by cord,
However,
Section 110.3(B) of the NEC states:
Installation and Use
Listed or labeled equipment shall be installed and in accordance with any instructions included in the listing or labeling.
Any AHJ, AKA inspector, will cite this section and have UL behind him to redtag the installation.
What is worse is an inspector hired by your insurance carrier , eh um.. that is knowledgeable about this issue, after any claim has been made.
Also remember there is the service disconnect issue. It's been busy and I am tired, don't make me go find that code too. Hopefully someone can back me up here.
This is an easy catch for any inspector, as many are getting more stringent with UL compliance.
Sure it is a technicality of sorts, but rules are rules,better wording is Standards.
Chances of anything happening is probably slim to none, but that cannot be my official advice. While there is no formal oath electricians take to become one, that I know of, there is professional ethics we volunteer to follow, other than the legal verbage in the state statutes that govern the license we are issued.
Now that I think, I do remember raising my hand while applying for a permit in New Haven, first time I was ever asked. I said "Really?", and he said yep, and every city or town can, and should require an electrician to swear to follow all applicable codes.
So I guess I do recall taking an oath. Anyone else ever run into that?
Do what ever you need to pass the cord through the cabinets to an outlet that can be in any cabinet nearby.
I hope this helped.
magicalpig
Aug 5, 2008, 12:26 PM
I actually own a copy of the IRC and have read about the disconnect issue in there.
Thanks for your other answers. Everything is explained clearly to me now.
Last night I wired in a receptacle behind the cabinets and the microwave is installed with plug & cord as it should be.
What I am concerned about, however, is that the cord is actually 2 pieces connected with butt splices. This is how it was when I inherited it from the previous home owner. I have no idea why they did this; maybe they needed an extension. This seems like an obvious invalidation of the UL listing. What am I to do at this point? Or more generally, what is one to do if such an appliance cord becomes damaged? Right now I'm thinking: make sure the spliced section is hidden behind some sacks of flour when the inspector comes and hope that he just checks the plug and the receptacle ;)
Washington1
Aug 5, 2008, 12:51 PM
How about buying a new microwave with an appropriate cord and plug attached!
KISS
Aug 5, 2008, 01:13 PM
Buy a new cord. What are the specs on the cord and it's outside diameter.
I can see what I can find. Cords with moulded plugs are definitely available.
You can try Parts & Accessories | Shop & Find Lawn & Garden, Appliance Parts at Sears Parts Direct | SearsPartsDirect.com from Sears (http://www.searspartsdirect.com) to see if they have parts.
Again, although people do it all the time, replace the plug, a right angle plug saves space.
I really think the lack of a close disconnect is a biggger issue.
Washington1
Aug 5, 2008, 01:35 PM
Just some added information
Microwaves-If the supply cord or plug is damaged:
• The manufacturer or its service agent or a similarly qualified person must
Replace the cord to prevent an accident.
• Appliances with specially prepared cords must be replaced by a special
Cord or assembly available from the manufacturer or its service agent.
• Other appliances that have a supply cord that cannot be replaced, should
Be scrapped.