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Syndee Lee
Jul 4, 2008, 08:53 PM
I'm interested in Christianity and exploring my options. Catholicism didn't work for me for several reasons, but I have an honest understanding of the bible. I want to find something that is easy to incorporate into my life, but exciting enough to KEEP ME INTERESTED! :rolleyes:

xaiegen
Jul 4, 2008, 09:02 PM
Huh. I'm not sure religion is intended to be "easy to incorporate into your life", but it sure is exciting. If Catholicism didn't work for you, try Protestant. Myself, I'm Seventh-day Adventist; there's plenty of Christianity out there with slight, but IMPORTANT differences. What beliefs do you agree with? Baptismal method? Frequency to attend church and day of the week to do so? Healthy living? There's more questions to ask yourself.

N0help4u
Jul 4, 2008, 10:40 PM
Here is a list of the denominations

List of Christian denominations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations)

Galveston1
Jul 5, 2008, 10:25 AM
There is only one kind of Christian. One who is obedient to the teachings of Christ. There are many different denominations and fellowships. I am (generacly pentecostal) and work in the Assembly of God here. You might try visiting one, probably a smaller one, as you would get instant acceptance and fellowship, whereas in a large one, you can attend for months before you get acquainted.

Fr_Chuck
Jul 5, 2008, 10:51 AM
First not sure what you call "exciting" do you want large music productions at every church service, or people handling snakes or perhaps georgian chants. There is something for everyone depending on your tastes.

And Christianity is a life style, not something to include in yours but one to take over the old. It is a way of life more than anything.

N0help4u
Jul 5, 2008, 10:56 AM
I agree with Galveston The Assemblies of God are about the most as they term 'on fire for the Lord' churches.

Fr_Chuck
Jul 5, 2008, 11:03 AM
I don't know I would have said that about the Assemblies of God 20 years ago, if you went to one of their churches, there was the spirit moving in every service,

I visited a couple in TN a few years ago, and to be honest, besides the paid choir, the large screen projection TV I did not know that I was not in a Bapist or Methodist church, Perhaps some or many of them have been losing that fire.

N0help4u
Jul 5, 2008, 11:27 AM
I agree they seem to be losing the fire because many of them are now preaching a watered down self help and get prosperous in life doctrine rather than the Christian one but there are still a lot of good little churches that didn't get caught up in all that. I think the bigger the individual assemblies/non denominational church is the more likely they are following the self improvement =holiness 'gospel' that the televangelists are pushing.

achampio21
Jul 5, 2008, 11:42 AM
Southern Baptist was always exciting for me when I was a child.

You can't think that just because you are "incorporating" a "religion" into your lifestyle that it will fix anything. Religion is just like a job, only your at work 24/7/365.

You have to want it, you have to need it, you have to believe in it, and you have follow it.

But if you just want to have something to do on a few nights of the week to make yourself feel better I suggest finding one that has every type of exra's you can get. Quilting, scrapbooking, VBS, get-a-aways, volleyball, fieldtrips, daycare, nursery, etc... I even know of a church that has kickboxing classes on Tuesday nights!

classyT
Jul 5, 2008, 11:44 AM
There is only ONE type of Christian. The born again, saved by faith in Jesus Christ and his shed blood, death and resurrection...

There are many denominations and I do not believe it was ever the Mind of God. Paul has trouble even in his day with some saying they follow HIM and others someone else.

In the end, there is only one body, one church. All those that have put there trust in Jesus Christ.

How should you decide where to go to worship? I believe you should pray and ask the Lord to show you a local church where they preach the truth. I don't believe any denomination has got it all RIGHT. But make sure that they are preaching from the WORD of God and they are not adding anything to it... or to salvation. He can send you to a church that will minister to you if you will ask.

Syndee Lee
Jul 9, 2008, 08:25 PM
How should you decide where to go to worship? I believe you should pray and ask the Lord to show you a local church where they preach the truth. I don't believe any denomination has got it all RIGHT. But make sure that they are preaching from the WORD of God and they are not adding anything to it...or to salvation. He can send you to a church that will minister to you if you will ask.

Thank you!! That was the best advice BY FAR. You did not judge me, nor belittle me because of my IMPERFECT choice of words! You made me feel like I did the right thing by posting my question here!

Tj3
Jul 9, 2008, 08:43 PM
There is only ONE type of Christian. The born again, saved by faith in Jesus Christ and his shed blood, death and resurrection....

There are many denominations and I do not believe it was ever the Mind of God. Paul has trouble even in his day with some saying they follow HIM and others someone else.

In the end, there is only one body, one church. All those that have put there trust in Jesus Christ.

How should you decide where to go to worship? I believe you should pray and ask the Lord to show you a local church where they preach the truth. I don't believe any denomination has got it all RIGHT. But make sure that they are preaching from the WORD of God and they are not adding anything to it...or to salvation. He can send you to a church that will minister to you if you will ask.

Yep. Too many folk today choose a church based on what makes them feel good, or what entertains them, but whether they are preaching the true un-adulterated word of God is a key factor. Sometimes the word of God is not entertaining, often it makes us uncomfortable because as we hear the word of God, we realize how far we far from being what God would want us to be. That is precisely why we need to hear it. Here is a guide to testing whether they are preaching from the word of God rather than the word of man.

http://www.geocities.com/smithtj.geo/testing.html

Irulan
Jul 10, 2008, 05:48 AM
Each person is a world unto him/herself... Christians are not all alike... some are good, some are not so good. Each denomination is different and not all are satisfactory to all... too many variables.

Religion and spirituality are not malleable... neither can be "molded" to fit anyone, anywhere or anything... you either feel the need for it or you do not.

As to finding a "suitable" religious path to incorporate in your life... you will have to do your own search to find what fills YOUR spirit's need for religion... not someone else's idea of religion.







I'm interested in Christianity and exploring my options. Catholicism didn't work for me for several reasons, but I have an honest understanding of the bible. I want to find something that is easy to incorporate into my life, but exciting enough to KEEP ME INTERESTED! :rolleyes:
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achampio21
Jul 11, 2008, 10:33 AM
Just so I am clear, I was NOT judging you. I know of several people that incorporate church and religion into their lives just for their kids, or just for the security of having a group of people that are trustworthy in their minds. These people only go to church for social reasons. I don't think that is wrong. It is their choice. I just to didn't want to tell you to pray about it and your response be... "if I don't have a religion how do i decide who to pray to"

So NO I wasn't saying that you are a bad person or that the way you worded it was wrong. I have ran into many people that want religion in their lives but they don't want religion to control or run their lives. I do not go to church. I pray at home. I found churches to be uninterested like you said and extremely corrupted. SO I refuse to go to ANY. You make your own choices. You will make your own relationship with God and will decide on your own what feels right and what feels like enough for you :D

Good luck to you. I apologize for giving the impression that I was belittling you. I just took what you said at face value and explained each choice.

mountain_man
Jul 11, 2008, 01:13 PM
I totally agree with what ClassyT said and the only thing I would add is; know what the Bible says and know the Truths in the Bible while you are searching for a church. And be careful because God's truth is not always "easy to incorporate into your life"

Luke 9:23
Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.

Patriarch
Sep 21, 2008, 11:53 PM
There are two types of Christians. The one type is real or true and the other is nominal or false. A person should not choose a religion based on his or her liking but choose one that is to God's liking. His determination of what is Christian is more important than ours. His Word will guide you.

cogs
Sep 22, 2008, 08:37 PM
I don't believe you'll find something that's fulfulling through what the world offers. Even the israelites complained because they weren't receiving the goodness they thought they should, as god led them to a better place. I would start by trying to believe that god is real, and accepting his guidance through the holy spirit, in your mind and heart.

addaddadd
Sep 24, 2008, 02:21 AM
I'm interested in Christianity and exploring my options. Catholicism didn't work for me for several reasons, but I have an honest understanding of the bible. I want to find something that is easy to incorporate into my life, but exciting enough to KEEP ME INTERESTED! :rolleyes:

There's a christian in the bible. In Acts 11:26"And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that taught much people. And the disciples were called Christian first in Antioch." The disciples called christian and not protestant, born again or even catholics.Some religious group pretending they are christian, but they are not.
Christian are those who follow the doctrines of christ Jesus.
The doctrines of christ jesus are written in the bible. So if you read the bible you will notice a lot of leaders of religious denomination are not teaching of christ doktrines. One of the doktrine of Christ in women: "In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array." I Timothy 2:9. Now look the women members of a large religious denomination how they dress. Because there pastor did teach the doktrine of Chhrist to them. If you ask where are the Christian? Find the leader who can teach all the doktrines of Christ. "Ask Bro. Eli Soriano, the Bible will answer" WordPress.com » Get a Free Blog Here (http://[email protected])

gromitt82
Sep 24, 2008, 07:15 AM
I'm interested in Christianity and exploring my options. Catholicism didn't work for me for several reasons, but I have an honest understanding of the bible. I want to find something that is easy to incorporate into my life, but exciting enough to KEEP ME INTERESTED! :rolleyes:

Although you have received a lot of what I considered sensible answers since you posted your question about Christianity, I would like to add something, if you do not mind, to Addaddadd’s post.

As you surely already know, Christianity is one of the three monotheistic Religions existing at present in our world (Judaism and Islam are the other two), and it is centered in Jesus’ message delivered to us in the Gospels presented in the New Testament.

In the 4th century, thanks to Emperors Constantine and Theodosius I, Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.

The term Catholic Church, however, is mentioned for the first time around the year A.D. 107, by St. Ignatius of Antioch in the Near East, who wrote a farewell letter which his fellow Christians in Smyrna (today Izmir in modern Turkey), where he said, "Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" (To the Smyrnaeans 8:2).

Between the 8th and 12th centuries begins the separation from the Catholic Church of the Eastern Orthodox Church, whose main objection is the non-acceptance of the Pope as head of the Christian Church.

The Eastern Orthodox Church is the second largest single Christian communion in the world. Its assembly considers it be the very same Church established by Christ and his Apostles. It is composed of numerous theologically unified ecclesial bodies, each one lead by a synod of independent bishops whose duty, among other things, is to preserve and teach the Apostolic and Patristic traditions and related Church practices. All Orthodox bishops trace their lineage back to one of the twelve Apostles through the process of apostolic succession.

In the 15th century another major schism appears; the Reformation, that resulted in the splintering of the Western Christendom into several Christian denominations. Martin Luther in 1517 protested against the sale of indulgences and soon moved on to deny several key points of the Catholic doctrine. Others like Zwingli and Calvin further criticized the Catholic teaching and worship. These challenges developed into the movement called Protestantism, which also repudiated the primacy of the pope, the role of tradition, the seven sacraments, and other doctrines and practices. Reformation in England began in 1534, when King Henry VIII had himself declared head of the Church of England.

It was then when to differentiate themselves from the Catholics lead by the Pope, the English Church started to call Catholics as Roman Catholics, which is term later on also adopted by most Protestant Churches.

Finally, around the 19th century some Protestants Churches adopt the term Restorationism, which describes some religious movements in restoring the original Christianity to an important degree. Their claim is that a restoration of Christianity has become necessary because Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant Christians have introduced grave defects into Christian faith and practice.

In these movements there can be found the Latter Day Saint movement, which began with Joseph Smith and the publication of the Book of Mormon, and others like Paulicians, Hussites and/or Anabaptists.

But notwithstanding how chaotic and confusing all these denominations may look, they are nothing but petty and rather trifling differences when in comparison to the ONLY TRUTH BEHIND ALL OF THEM. This only truth being that all thee denominations refer to the ONE AND ONLY GOD there is, WHO, accordingly, must be the same one for everybody of us. This is why most of the answers you have received state that Christianity has much more to do with a way of life than with this or that Church.

Try your best to follow the message of love that GOD, in the person of Jesus, has given us and leave the rest in GOD’s hands.

Tj3
Sep 24, 2008, 05:13 PM
The term Catholic Church, however, is mentioned for the first time around the year A.D. 107, by St. Ignatius of Antioch in the Near East, who wrote a farewell letter which his fellow Christians in Smyrna (today Izmir in modern Turkey), where he said, "Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" (To the Smyrnaeans 8:2).

This, of course, did not refer to the denomination that we have today which was founded in the 4th century, but rather to the universal church.


Finally, around the 19th century some Protestants Churches adopt the term Restorationism, which describes some religious movements in restoring the original Christianity to an important degree.

Actually restorationism is movement separate from mainstream protestantism though parts may be considered protestant, but others parts of which are considered heretical by protestant and other non-Catholic churches.


In these movements there can be found the Latter Day Saint movement, which began with Joseph Smith and the publication of the Book of Mormon, and others like Paulicians, Hussites and/or Anabaptists.

Anabaptists are another completely separate movement and are not part of the restorationist movement.

gromitt82
Sep 25, 2008, 03:31 AM
This, of course, did not refer to the denomination that we have today which was founded in the 4th century, but rather to the universal church.


The Greek word katholikos (καθολικός), which St. Ignatius used, means "universal," and he made use of it, obviously, to describe the church he belonged to, precisely, as Universal, thus eluding some of the theological debates already taking place in his time that will be later discussed at the 1st Nicaean Council. This why he wrote to the Smyrnaeans:

“Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid”.

As one of the primitive Fathers of the Church he should have logically considered Christianity as the only Church to be taken into consideration; hence “Universal”.

On the other hand, I do not think we can affirm that Catholicism was founded by Emperor Constantine when he convoked the 1st Nicaean Council, in 325 AD.

The intent of this Council was, basically, to define a unity of beliefs for the whole of Christendom by resolving some disagreements arising between St. Alexander and the presbyter Arius.

However, the Council was, in fact, the 1st Ecumenical Council of the Christian Church.

Actually, its most significant consequence was the Nicene Creed which, as you know, is an ecumenical Christian statement of faith accepted in the Eastern Orthodox Church, Assyrian Church of the East, Oriental Orthodox churches, the Roman Catholic Church, the Lutheran Church, the Anglican Communion, and almost all branches of Protestantism, including the Reformed churches, the Presbyterian Church, and the Methodist Church.

The Nicene Creed declares belief in the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Here, the word Catholic is also taken in its face value of Universal, for those who accept this creed therefore generally believe they should be united in a single Church or group of Churches in communion with each other.

The problem, if any, lies on the fact that the ancient Churches consider that they represent the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church: furthermore, this is why the Vatican has somehow arrogated that title while considering the Eastern Orthodox Church to be in schism. However, the Eastern Orthodox Church also claims that title and holds that the Catholic Church is schismatic and probably heretical; to add to the confusion some Protestant Churches believe that they also represent the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and consider the Orthodox and Catholic Churches to be in error.

This must be why, to avoid confusions, both Protestants and Oriental Orthodox Churches have named the Catholic Church depending from the Vatican, the Roman Catholic Church, which could also be designated as Roman Universal Church.


Actually restorationism is movement separate from mainstream protestantism though parts may be considered protestant, but others parts of which are considered heretical by protestant and other non-Catholic churches.

Nevertheless, I think - although I may be wrong - that restorationisme followers also believe in Hesus Christ, don't they?

Anabaptists are another completely separate movement and are not part of the restorationist movement.

You must be right. But do they believe in Jesus Christ or not?

Tj3
Sep 25, 2008, 07:35 PM
You must be right. But do they believe in Jesus Christ or not?

Whether you believe that the Roman Catholic denomination was founded in 325AD or not, history records this to be the case and it is affirmed even by one of your denomination's best known Cardinals.

As far as whether sects or religions believe in Jesus Christ, that is not the only question to be asked. Paul brings up some other critical points:

2 Cor 11:1-4
11:1 Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly--and indeed you do bear with me. 2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted--you may well put up with it!
NKJV

And

Gal 1:6-8
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
NKJV

Just saying that you believe in Jesus Christ is not, according to scripture, enough.

Matt 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
NKJV

addaddadd
Sep 25, 2008, 10:06 PM
I'm interested in Christianity and exploring my options. Catholicism didn't work for me for several reasons, but I have an honest understanding of the bible. I want to find something that is easy to incorporate into my life, but exciting enough to KEEP ME INTERESTED! :rolleyes:

I used to be a catholic until I found out their teaching is not base in the bible.If you read the whole bible there is no purgatory,and limbo which they believe and teach. They teaching with out in the bible. There's a warning in the Bible "8, But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9, As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye recieved, let him be accursed." Galatians1:8-9. If ask why are there many religion and they said they are christian, Jesus Christ gave a sign "For there shall arise false Christ, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall decieve the very elect. Matthew 24:24
And if you ask how do I know the right group of religion the sign is "If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doktrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself" John7:17. The base is the doctrine. "angdatingdaan"

gromitt82
Sep 26, 2008, 07:27 AM
Whether you believe that the Roman Catholic denomination was founded in 325AD or not, history records this to be the case and it is affirmed even by one of your denomination's best known Cardinals.

As far as whether sects or religions believe in Jesus Christ, that is not the only question to be asked. Paul brings up some other critical points:

2 Cor 11:1-4
11:1 Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly--and indeed you do bear with me. 2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted--you may well put up with it!
NKJV

and

Gal 1:6-8
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
NKJV

Just saying that you believe in Jesus Christ is not, according to scripture, enough.

Matt 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
NKJV


I’m not going to debate on when the Catholicism was founded. It is a fact that historians do NOT always coincide in their expositions or explanations… Those Cardinals you mention may be as wrong as the historians who said the contrary. Besides, this is totally unimportant! Catholicism is just here to probably last as long as Mankind.

2 Cor 11:1-4
Here, St. Paul does not say that believing in Jesus Christ should not be enough. He simply alerts the Corinthians to be careful lest someone pretending to be Jesus Christ appears before them, and they put up with it!

Gal 1:6-8
Here, Paul shows his amazement and dismay by the fact that the Galatian church foolishly did not hold fast to the Gospel as it had been preached to them. "They were removed, not from the apostle who was God's instrument in calling them into the fellowship of the Gospel, but from God Himself, by whose direction the Gospel was preached to them. Therefore, they had been guilty of a great abuse of His kindness and mercy towards them, because they had fallen away from the Grace into which they had been called." It took but a little time for the Galatians to fall into the false theology of the Judaizers that taught justification by works of the law. This doctrine of the Judaizers is called "a different gospel" because it presented a different way to salvation from that which was revealed in the Gospel, namely, by personal effort rather by faith in Christ alone. They had fallen for the false teaching of the Judaizers, which promised to produce righteousness and God’s blessings if they would submit to circumcision and the keeping of the Mosaic Law.
I, therefore, cannot see from these two examples from St. Paul, how you get to the deduction that believing in Jesus Christ (which is tantamount to believing in The Word) should not be enough.

As for Matt. 7:21-23, I think what he implies is quite clear.
Not everyone who says “Lord, Lord” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” Believing in Jesus Christ exactly entails following His Message by the letter or as close as humanly possible. I DO NOT mean believing that Jesus Christ did exist as we believe Jules Caesar existed! What I obviously meant was to believe He is GOD and to believe in his Word.

Tj3
Sep 26, 2008, 11:51 AM
I'm not going to debate on when the Catholicism was founded. It is a fact that historians do NOT always coincide in their expositions or explanations… Those Cardinals you mention may be as wrong as the historians who said the contrary. Besides, this is totally unimportant! Catholicism is just here to probably last as long as Mankind.

You are, of course, welcome to believe as you wish.

I disagree that any denomination is going to last as long as mankind.


2 Cor 11:1-4
Here, St. Paul does not say that believing in Jesus Christ should not be enough. He simply alerts the Corinthians to be careful lest someone pretending to be Jesus Christ appears before them, and they put up with it!

Exactly. So they would be following a different Jesus. Therefore just claiming to believe in someone named Jesus is not enough. It has to be the right Jesus.


Gal 1:6-8
Here, Paul shows his amazement and dismay by the fact that the Galatian church foolishly did not hold fast to the Gospel as it had been preached to them. "They were removed, not from the apostle who was God's instrument in calling them into the fellowship of the Gospel, but from God Himself, by whose direction the Gospel was preached to them. Therefore, they had been guilty of a great abuse of His kindness and mercy towards them, because they had fallen away from the Grace into which they had been called." It took but a little time for the Galatians to fall into the false theology of the Judaizers that taught justification by works of the law. This doctrine of the Judaizers is called "a different gospel" because it presented a different way to salvation from that which was revealed in the Gospel, namely, by personal effort rather by faith in Christ alone. They had fallen for the false teaching of the Judaizers, which promised to produce righteousness and God's blessings if they would submit to circumcision and the keeping of the Mosaic Law.

So not just any gospel is good enough. You need the right gospel.


As for Matt. 7:21-23 I think what he implies is quite clear.
Not everyone who says “Lord, Lord” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven” Believing in Jesus Christ exactly entails following His Message by the letter or as close as humanly possible. I DO NOT mean believing that Jesus Christ did exist as we believe Jules Caesar existed! What I obviously meant was to believe He is GOD and to believe in his Word.

Not everyone who claims to profess Jesus, or who follows a gospel which they claim to be Christian (though it is different) will be saved. It must be the right Jesus and the right gospel.

gromitt82
Sep 27, 2008, 02:14 AM
You are, of course, welcome to believe as you wish.

I disagree that any denomination is going to last as long as mankind.

Your privilege, of course!

Exactly. So they would be following a different Jesus. Therefore just claiming to believe in someone named Jesus is not enough. It has to be the right Jesus.

"Claiming to believe in someone named Jesus is not enough" Of course, it is not. I never said to believe in someone named Jesus. I said BELIEVING IN JESUS. And, as far as I'm concerned, THERE IS ONLY ONE JESUS CHRIST. The one that died in the Cross to redeem us. No possible confussion there.

So not just any gospel is good enough. You need the right gospel.

Again, as far as I am concerned I have, since long, accepted as the right Gospels St. Luke, St. Mark, St. Matthew and St. John's. I know there are others, but to me, they are not the RIGHT ones.

Not everyone who claims to profess Jesus, or who follows a gospel which they claim to be Christian (though it is different) will be saved. It must be the right Jesus and the right gospel.

I agree with you. This is why I have made sure to have chosen the right Jesus Christ and the right Gospels. However, I do not agree that ONLY those who believe in the right Jesus and in the right Gospel will be saved. That would, right now, condemn 3/4 of Mankind.
And one of the points emphasized by the RIGHT GOSPELS is that GOD's Mercy is infinite.
Let's remember that, please!

Tj3
Sep 27, 2008, 07:21 AM
I agree with you. This is why I have made sure to have chosen the right Jesus Christ and the right Gospels. However, I do not agree that ONLY those who believe in the right Jesus and in the right Gospel will be saved. That would, right now, condemn 3/4 of Mankind.
And one of the points emphasized by the RIGHT GOSPELS is that GOD's Mercy is infinite.
Let's remember that, please!

It sounds like you believe in universalism. But that is not what scripture teaches. Let's look again at these verses:

Gal 1:6-8
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
NKJV

Why is this the only time where there is a repetitive cursing in the Bible? It is because those who teach a false gospel are condemning those who receiving that gospel to an eternity in the lake of fire. If you were right and it did not matter, then such a condemnation of those teaching a false gospel would be meaningless.


Matt 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
NKJV

In Matthew 7, we see that scripture is quite specific that they did these things in His name, in Jesus' name. Further, there is no suggestion whatsoever that they did not do these things, but despite performing signs and wonders and doing so in Jesus name, they were on their way to hell.

John 14:5-6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
NKJV

Did Jesus not mean what He said? By "no one", are you suggesting that He meant anyone? And why is this important? Because scripture is clear that the only way that we are saved is by means of the blood sacrificed by the perfect lamb of God. There is therefore no other person through whom we can be saved.

What scripture says about His mercy is that it is everlasting:

Ps 100:5
5 For the LORD is good;
His mercy is everlasting,
And His truth endures to all generations.
NKJV

Who is His mercy on?

Luke 1:50
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him
From generation to generation.
NKJV

Scripture is clear that He is unwilling that any should perish, but whether they choose to accept that sacrifice is entirely up to them. If they choose not to, remember the other point made through scripture regarding God's judgment on those who reject Him. Remember also that God did not condemn, but man condemns Himself by not believing in Jesus:

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
NKJV

Would this condemn most of mankind? Yes, it would, but then again scripture says that it is a remnant who follow God, and Jesus speaks about how few believers there will be when He returns:

Luke 18:8
8 I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He really find faith on the earth?"
NKJV

Therefore your 25% figure is likely way too high.

Fr_Chuck
Sep 27, 2008, 07:25 AM
Closed, this is not a discussion area, and the original poster did not want to know the history of the Church. The majority of this thread has not reference to the original question