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WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 09:19 AM
If your parent or guardian gives you the permission to be wit someone who is over the age of 18, would it be considered breaking the law? Will he or she go to jail?

N0help4u
Jul 1, 2008, 09:20 AM
It depends on your state laws
What state are you in?
16 is usually the age parents can approve.
Some states at 16 you do not need parent approval

WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 09:23 AM
It depends on your state laws
what state are you in?
16 is usually the age parents can approve.
Some states at 16 you do not need parent approval


I live in Connecticut.

N0help4u
Jul 1, 2008, 09:32 AM
Age of consent in Connecticut is 16 BUT he can not be over 2 yrs older than you
So 18 is okay if you are 16.

WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 09:35 AM
Age of consent in Connecticut is 16 BUT he can not be over 2 yrs older than you
so 18 is okay if you are 16.

So if I was 16 and he was 20 I can't be with him? Even if my parents were to say it was okay?

JudyKayTee
Jul 1, 2008, 09:36 AM
so if i was 16 and he was 20 i can't be with him? even if my parents were to say it was okay?


Right.

N0help4u
Jul 1, 2008, 09:36 AM
If your parents give consent I think you might be able to
Will see what I can find.
You can be with an 18 yr old without consent

WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 09:40 AM
If your parents give consent I think you might be able to
will see what I can find.
You can be with an 18 yr old without consent


Oh OK thanks a lot. I need to know this info. So once you find can you please tell me?
Thanks.

smokedetector
Jul 1, 2008, 09:43 AM
Just a question, but why are you worried? Generally, it's the parent who reports the guy, and if yours doesn't mind, then it's no big deal, right?

WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 09:46 AM
Just a question, but why are you worried? Generally, it's the parent who reports the guy, and if yours doesn't mind, then it's no big deal, right?

I'm worried because this is someone who needs help who I happen to care about and she wants answers. I was thinking that too, if her parents know about him and have no problem with it then it's no big deal. But she wants to know if he would end up going to jail or not?

JudyKayTee
Jul 1, 2008, 09:56 AM
Just a question, but why are you worried? Generally, it's the parent who reports the guy, and if yours doesn't mind, then it's no big deal, right?



If ANYONE reports this, yes, he can be arrested.

I don't see parental approval or consent making a difference - it's against State law.

If you as a parent give your child permission/consent to drive a car at 12 years of age it's still against the Law - a parent cannot waive a law.

If a parent gives a child permission to shoplift - it's still an illegal act and the child can be arrested. The parent's permission/consent is meaningless.

N0help4u
Jul 1, 2008, 10:04 AM
This is all I could find not sure if it answers the ?

A Teenager's Guide To Emancipation (http://www.larcc.org/pamphlets/children_family/teen_emancipation.htm)

Connecticut Law About Rights of Minors (http://www.jud.state.ct.us/lawlib/Law/minors.htm)


One problem with what smokedetector said is that I have seen parents okay with their minor daughter being with a guy over 20 and then they get in a dispute and then report it for spite.

smokedetector
Jul 1, 2008, 10:09 AM
Judy,

By the same token, if a parent gives permission for their kid to drink some of their wine in a restaurant, then it is legal. I understand that they have to be present when the child drinks it, but also there wouldn't be a requirement to be with you kid when he/she is having sex to make it legal if you approve. Similarly, it is illegal to get married before 18, unless the parents consent. So is this one of those things that it is illegal even if you have parental consent, or one where it is legal only if they consent?

Regardless of it being legal or not, they must be reported (or otherwise found out) to be arrested for it, and I was just commenting that in general, that is a parent that reports it, as they are the ones who generally care enough to report it, though anyone can report it. It is just more likely for a parent to than say, a best friend or sister.

Anyway, if you know whether it's something that can be consented to or not, and/or why, I'd appreciate it.

WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 10:13 AM
This is all I could find not sure if it answers the ?

A Teenager's Guide To Emancipation (http://www.larcc.org/pamphlets/children_family/teen_emancipation.htm)

Connecticut Law About Rights of Minors (http://www.jud.state.ct.us/lawlib/Law/minors.htm)


one problem with what smokedetector said is that I have seen parents okay with their minor daughter being with a guy over 20 and then they get in a dispute and then report it for spite.


So my friend is 15 going on 16 soon, but she really likes this guy and he is 19 and her mom is going to meet him soon and she approves, that still would be breaking the law rite?

N0help4u
Jul 1, 2008, 10:21 AM
I use to have the state by state list of parental consent laws
But can't find it.
You could call Child Protective Services and ask them
I am sure they would know the exact current laws on this.

WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 10:22 AM
I use to have the state by state list of parental consent laws
but can't find it.
You could call Child Protective Services and ask them
I am sure they would know the exact current laws on this.


Ohh okk thanks for helping.

ScottGem
Jul 1, 2008, 10:29 AM
One thing has been missed here. There are no laws governing dating. It is not illegal to date someone younger. However, there are laws governing sexualy activity with a minor. So if your friend is not going to have sex with this 19 yr old, there would be no laws broken.

The gap between almost 16 and 19 is not a huge one, but its still significant. The 19 yr old may be going to college and thinking more about his career and future. The 16 yr old is entering a fun and games stretch of life where little is truly serious.

But, if this couple is being upfront and getting parental approval and they do not plan on sexual intimacy, then they should be OK.

WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 10:33 AM
One thing has been missed here. There are no laws governing dating. it is not illegal to date someone younger. However, there are laws governing sexualy activity with a minor. So if your friend is not going to have sex with this 19 yr old, there would be no laws broken.

The gap between almost 16 and 19 is not a huge one, but its still significant. The 19 yr old may be going to college and thinking more about his career and future. The 16 yr old is entering a fun and games stretch of life where little is truly serious.

But, if this couple is being upfront and getting parental approval and they do not plan on sexual intimacy, then they should be OK.


My friend is ver mature for her age and people tend to tell her that she knows how to carry herself very well and in a nice manner. The 19 yr old is not in college and he works 2 jobs and does boxing and plays soccer so he is quite the busy guy.

JudyKayTee
Jul 1, 2008, 11:58 AM
Judy,

By the same token, if a parent gives permission for their kid to drink some of their wine in a restaurant, then it is legal. I understand that they have to be present when the child drinks it, but also there wouldn't be a requirement to be with you kid when he/she is having sex to make it legal if you approve. Similarly, it is illegal to get married before 18, unless the parents consent. So is this one of those things that it is illegal even if you have parental consent, or one where it is legal only if they consent?

Regardless of it being legal or not, they must be reported (or otherwise found out) to be arrested for it, and I was just commenting that in general, that is a parent that reports it, as they are the ones who generally care enough to report it, though anyone can report it. It is just more likely for a parent to than say, a best friend or sister.

Anyway, if you know whether it's something that can be consented to or not, and/or why, I'd appreciate it.


Well, maybe it's different in different States but in NYS you cannot give your child permission to drink "some of your wine" in a restaurant - underage consumption of alcohol is illegal. Obviously it's OK where you live so, as I said, the law must vary. I've never heard that it's legal as long as the parent is there to witness it -

I HAVE investigated accidents involving underage drinking at private residences where the parents were present and the parents HAVE been criminally charged. Likewise I DO work bar surveillances where the owner is concerned about underage drinking and the bartender/hostess/waitress ARE criminally charged. If the drinking is done at your house (again, in NYS) your homeowners can refuse coverage because your illegal act was the proximate cause of the problem.

It isn't against the law to marry under age - you simply cannot marry under age unless you lie about your age OR have parental consent. I find nothing that says it's illegal. Two different things. Let me know how you see this -

I have no idea what you mean by the parent being present when the underage person has sex in order to make it legal - ?

What State (I'm curious) allows underage drinking, particularly in a restaurant, if the parent is present and gives consent?

Maybe someone familiar with the Alcohol Beverage Code in various States has the answers to the underage drinking -

smokedetector
Jul 1, 2008, 12:27 PM
Texas Law

§ 106.04 – Consumption of Alcohol by a Minor
(a–b) A minor commits an offense if they consume alcohol unless they are in the visible presence of, and have the consent of their adult parent, legal guardian, or spouse.


Here is the link:

ALOUD | Texas' Laws Concerning Underage Drinking (http://www.gdcada.org/coalitions/aloud/law.htm)

JudyKayTee
Jul 1, 2008, 12:55 PM
Texas Law

§ 106.04 – Consumption of Alcohol by a Minor
(a–b) A minor commits an offense if they consume alcohol unless they are in the visible presence of, and have the consent of their adult parent, legal guardian, or spouse.


here is the link:

ALOUD | Texas' Laws Concerning Underage Drinking (http://www.gdcada.org/coalitions/aloud/law.htm)



I'm shocked but you are correct - underage minors CAN consume alcohol (no age limit at all), no restriction on the amount, if in the presence of and in sight of his/her parent or guardian.

Well, there go my plans to live and work in Texas - apparently I would be out of the bar surveillance business in a very short period.

N0help4u
Jul 1, 2008, 02:25 PM
Last I heard three years ago the drinking age was nationwide 21 NO exceptions
I was surprised cause I thought the teenagers still snuck to West Virginia to drink.
They are changing laws too fast to keep up with the past few years.
In some states 16 yr old age of consent w/o parent permission to be with any age they want is the law.

JudyKayTee
Jul 1, 2008, 02:30 PM
Last I heard three years ago the drinking age was nationwide 21 NO exceptions
I was surprised cause I thought the teenagers still snuck to West Virginia to drink.
They are changing laws too fast to keep up with the past few years.
In some states 16 yr old age of consent w/o parent permission to be with any age they want is the law.



And then I had a thought on another angle re: dating and the age difference, the girl being underage. I know I saw "dating" and thought "sex," but, as ScottGem correctly pointed out, the question was dating.

If she is 16 and he is 20 and there is sex involved and he moves on SHE can charge him with sexual assault. Someone posted recently, she was younger, he was (obviously) older, she got pregnant, he moved on, and now SHE wants to charge him as a predator, despite the fact that her parents knew they were dating.

Seems risky for the older, possibly more emotionally mature, man.

N0help4u
Jul 1, 2008, 02:32 PM
True BUT not many girls nowadays are dating older guys without.

WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 04:27 PM
And then I had a thought on another angle re: dating and the age difference, the girl being underage. I know I saw "dating" and thought "sex," but, as ScottGem correctly pointed out, the question was dating.

If she is 16 and he is 20 and there is sex involved and he moves on SHE can charge him with sexual assault. Someone posted recently, she was younger, he was (obviously) older, she got pregnant, he moved on, and now SHE wants to charge him as a predator, despite the fact that her parents knew they were dating.

Seems risky for the older, possibly more emotionally mature, man.


She is really responsible and she knows the risk of being with him, but she tells me that she really likes this guy and he likes her too. So she can pretty much be with him with the permission of her guardian but she can't have any type of sexual relations and not get arrested. But would kissing, or hugging or holding hands be considered something sexual?

JudyKayTee
Jul 1, 2008, 04:31 PM
She is really responsible and she knows the risk of being with him, but she tells me that she really likes this guy and he likes her too. So she can pretty much be with him with the permission of her guardian but she can't have any type of sexual relations and not get arrested. But would kissing, or hugging or holding hands be considered something sexual?


Yes, those activities are "something sexual;" no, they are not considered to be sexual intercourse.

Is your friend actually you?

WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 04:33 PM
Yes, those activities are "something sexual;" no, they are not considered to be sexual intercourse.

Is your friend actually you?


no. she is mhy best friend. So she can hug and hold hands and kiss him without getting in trouble?

JudyKayTee
Jul 1, 2008, 04:37 PM
no. she is mhy best friend. so she can hug and hold hands and kiss him without getting in trouble?



Read what I just said.

WonderinMind
Jul 1, 2008, 04:41 PM
Read what I just said.


I just thought you couldn't have intercourse and just intercourse and obviously that isn't intercourse.

appleguy87
Jul 3, 2008, 11:55 AM
Well, maybe it's different in different States but in NYS you cannot give your child permission to drink "some of your wine" in a restaurant - underage consumption of alcohol is illegal. Obviously it's OK where you live so, as I said, the law must vary. I've never heard that it's legal as long as the parent is there to witness it -

I HAVE investigated accidents involving underage drinking at private residences where the parents were present and the parents HAVE been criminally charged. Likewise I DO work bar surveillances where the owner is concerned about underage drinking and the bartender/hostess/waitress ARE criminally charged. If the drinking is done at your house (again, in NYS) your homeowners can refuse coverage because your illegal act was the proximate cause of the problem.

It isn't against the law to marry under age - you simply cannot marry under age unless you lie about your age OR have parental consent. I find nothing that says it's illegal. Two different things. Let me know how you see this -

I have no idea what you mean by the parent being present when the underage person has sex in order to make it legal - ?

What State (I'm curious) allows underage drinking, particularly in a restaurant, if the parent is present and gives consent?

Maybe someone familiar with the Alcohol Beverage Code in various States has the answers to the underage drinking -



I'm shocked but you are correct - underage minors CAN consume alcohol (no age limit at all), no restriction on the amount, if in the presence of and in sight of his/her parent or guardian.

Well, there go my plans to live and work in Texas - apparently I would be out of the bar surveillance business in a very short period.


Same goes in NYS as well...

See Alcoholic Beverage Control Article 5


§ 65-c. Unlawful possession of an alcoholic beverage with the intent
To consume by persons under the age of twenty-one years. 1. Except as
Hereinafter provided, no person under the age of twenty-one years shall
Possess any alcoholic beverage, as defined in this chapter, with the
Intent to consume such beverage.
2. A person under the age of twenty-one years may possess any
Alcoholic beverage with intent to consume if the alcoholic beverage is
Given:
(a) to a person who is a student in a curriculum licensed or
Registered by the state education department and the student is required
To taste or imbibe alcoholic beverages in courses which are a part of
The required curriculum, provided such alcoholic beverages are used only
For instructional purposes during class conducted pursuant to such
Curriculum; or
(b) to the person under twenty-one years of age by that person's
parent or guardian.

JudyKayTee
Jul 3, 2008, 12:05 PM
Same goes in NYS as well...

See Alcoholic Beverage Control Article 5



The question was where is it legal - I'm in NYS. That's what I addressed. The States where it IS allowed was what the discussion was about.

appleguy87
Jul 3, 2008, 12:09 PM
The question was where is it legal - I'm in NYS. That's what I addressed. The States where it IS allowed was what the discussion was about.

I'm in NYS as well.. just to quote again what you said,



Well, maybe it's different in different States but in NYS you cannot give your child permission to drink "some of your wine" in a restaurant - underage consumption of alcohol is illegal. Obviously it's OK where you live so, as I said, the law must vary. I've never heard that it's legal as long as the parent is there to witness it -


Just posting the NYS law that states it is legal for a parent and/or guardian to give their child under the age of 21 an alcoholic beverage for the purpose of consumption. (See Alcoholic Beverage Control Article 5 § 65-C)

JudyKayTee
Jul 3, 2008, 12:38 PM
I'm in NYS as well.. just to quote again what you said,



Just posting the NYS law that states it is legal for a parent and/or guardian to give their child under the age of 21 an alcoholic beverage for the purpose of consumption. (See Alcoholic Beverage Control Article 5 § 65-C)



If you are right and this has not been revoked or appealed this can be ground breaking. I am right now working on a case in NYS where the parent served an alcoholic beverage to his own child in his own home (backyard), a neighbor called the Police - and the parent was arrested. The law firm is under the impression that the parent cannot serve the alcoholic beverage to his own child.

I am off to read that section of the law.

The law firm has represented several parents in this same situation so this could be big news. I don't know if each case has resulted in the parents being in violation of the ABC law but I know 2 of them were found guilty of parental neglect.