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N0help4u
Jun 30, 2008, 07:46 AM
My neighbor kept leaving her pit bull lose last month. I think it was so that he would get my pit bull pregnant. My dog had been over being in heat for a week or two. Her dog got my dog twice within a couple days. My neighbor is saying a male dog will not go after a female unless it is during her time where she would get pregnant so she has to be pregnant.
I was wondering if he could have gotten her AFTER her time of being able to conceive.
And how many weeks until she is noticeably pregnant?

AlwaysWriting
Jun 30, 2008, 07:59 AM
No, the dog can only get pregnant during the second week of her cycle, not before or after.

N0help4u
Jun 30, 2008, 08:18 AM
Thank you
I was sure that dogs do just do it just to do it, but they keep insisting that she HAS to be pregnant.

bushg
Jun 30, 2008, 09:19 AM
Nohelp... If she isn't spayed because eof money problems, here is a list of groups that may be able to help you out.

PENNSYLVANIA
PA P.E.T.S. (Prevent Excess Through Sterilization)
PO Box 64
Lewisburg PA 17837
Toll free 1-866-472-7387
Low cost s/n to qualifying residents who live in Union, Snyder, or Northumberland counties.
The People-Pet Partnership
Philadelphia PA
215-629-2350

Animal Rescue and Referral
PO Box 16
Richboro, PA 18954
215-752-7556 or 215-322-9251
Information about low cost spay/neuter for feral cats.

City of Pittsburgh
Bureau of Environmental Services
3001 Railroad Street
Pittsburgh, PA 15201
412-255-2036
Voucher program for residents of Pittsburgh. Call for information.

Morris Animal Refuge
1242 Lombard Street
Philadelphia, PA 19147
215-735-3256
Sells low-cost certificates for spay/neuter for pets of lower income people in the Philadelphia area. The pet owner presents the certificate to a participating veterinarian.

CATS (Changing Attitudes for Tomorrow's Solutions)
Pine Grove PA
570-345-2229
Web: catswithnoname.com
For pet cats, farm cats, stray cats, and feral cats in the Harrisburg, Lebanon, and Pine Grove areas of Pennsylvania.

Spay & Save
PO Box 122
Lafayette Hill, PA 19444
610-279-9714 or 610-277-6187
Low cost spay/neuter for pets of those needing financial assistance.

Pennsylvania SPCA
Centre Halle, PA 814-364-1725
Philadelphia, PA 215-426-6300

Homeless Cat Management Team
Pittsburgh PA
412-321-4060
Spay-neuter for feral cats in southwestern Pennsylvania. Leave a message in voice mailbox 4.

Animal Birth Control
2643 Penn Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15222
412-434-8434
800-SPAY-PGH
Email: [email protected]
This organization has a network of 35 participating veterinarians in western Pennsylvania for low cost spay/neuter of pets. They can also help people find services for feral cats.


Animal Rescue League of Western PA
6620 Hamilton Avenue
Pittsburgh, PA 15206
412-661-6451
Low cost spay/neuter clinic.

Animals in Distress
PO Box 168
Catasauqua, PA 18032
610-264-5554
Allentown area.


Animal Education League
Woodlyn PA
610-544-9535
Lost cost s/n in PA, DE, and NJ.

Delaware County SPCA
Media, PA
610-566-1370
Low cost spay/neuter for pets of people with low income.

Lehigh Valley Humane Society
Allentown, PA
610-797-3439
Low cost spay/neuter for all pets.

Spayed Club
PO Box 1145
Frazer, PA 19355
610-275-7486
Various low cost and subsidized spay/neuter programs throughout Pennsylvania's Delaware Valley.

Sanctuary Hollow
2820 Audubon Village Drive
Norristown, PA 19403
610-666-6312
Gives information about low cost spay/neuter.

Humane League of Lancaster County
Lancaster, PA
717-393-6551
Low cost spay/neuter for unowned cats such as feral cats and barn cats.

Humane Society of Lackawanna County
967 Griffin Pond Road
Clarks Summit, PA 18411
717-586-3700
Low cost spay/neuter for pets of people of need financial assistance to do so.

Ruth Steinert Memorial SPCA
Minersville, PA
717-544-2920
Low cost spay/neuter clinic

Spay Neuter Assistance Program
Enola, PA
717-732-5377
This program has a listing of participating vets in the area (central PA) who will alter cats at low cost.

Animal Rescue Inc.
New Freedom PA
717-993-3232

Pennsylvania SPCA
Centre Halle, PA 814-364-1725
Philadelphia, PA 215-426-6300

N0help4u
Jun 30, 2008, 09:24 AM
She is 2 1/2 and I am thinking of her having one liter before I get her spayed.
More likely not though but I don't want it to be their dog if I do because I am afraid they will try to take over and sell the pups to people that would train them to be attack dogs. They are already trying to take her over through her *supposed* pregnancy.
I am planning on getting her spayed before she turns 5 but right now I have no way to get her to anywhere.
I go through the Pittsburgh spay and neuter clinic for a voucher.

bushg
Jun 30, 2008, 09:26 AM
Even if she is I don't see how they would have any rights to the pups.

N0help4u
Jun 30, 2008, 09:27 AM
Yeah but I don't want to deal with arguing with them trying.

xaiegen
Jun 30, 2008, 12:32 PM
I know you said your neighbor's pit bull was loose, but where was yours? So, the whole thing is an accident. Even when dogs are planned to breed, studs never have rights to the b****'s puppies. That's just how breeders make these deals. Instead, they get pick of the litter or you pay them the worth of the "pick of the litter" puppy (not sure how much pit bulls are worth in your area) and I'm assuming the father or mother of the puppies doesn't have papers? If so, that lessens the amount you give over to your neighbor. This is all when planned, since it's an accident on one or both parties, you never agreed to anything and there are no set contracts.

Right now, ignore your neighbor trying to take over during your girl's pregnancy, because they didn't raise your dog the way you did. If they want to take over, let them know the cost of x-rays during the pregnancy, buying whelping supplies for the procedure, paying for your time off so you can be there for your girl, doing vet checkups day after pregnancy, and vaccination/deworm for each puppy six weeks after the labor date. Breeding is costly, your neighbors had no right intending to breed your girl with their boy without contracts.

Let me know if you have pregnancy questions, my chihuahua just got done with her first litter a month ago. I would suggest you x-ray your girl, figure out how many babies she's going to have, and find good families before they come out. Good luck!

N0help4u
Jun 30, 2008, 12:38 PM
She was on her chain on my front porch. I don't plan on doing anything until she starts showing because I do not think she is pregnant but they were starting to get me to think maybe she is. I was wondering how long until I can be sure she is not.
It happened a little over a week ago.

froggy7
Jun 30, 2008, 12:49 PM
I will point out that, if you had your dog chained on the porch while she was in heat, she could very well be pregnant by any number of dogs. Males will go to incredible lengths to get to a female in heat.

N0help4u
Jun 30, 2008, 12:54 PM
I think she had not been in heat for a few days but they are claiming that a dog can get pregnant up to a week after she has been in heat.
I don't think any other dogs got to her because no dogs are lose in my neighborhood
And I keep a pretty good eye on her.
I didn't know this girl had moved in a new boyfriend and his dog recently.

xaiegen
Jun 30, 2008, 01:11 PM
It's been 7 days since assumed conception date you say? Ok well, you can give her the dog's version of an abortion shot or you can wait till day 26-28 to take her into the vet so they can palpate her (they feel her uterus, it should swell, don't do it after day 28 because it gets covered and hardens and there's no telling after) or it might be pricier, but you can have an ultrasound done. She may have morning sickness by week 2, we started noticing our chihuahua being pregnant by week 3 because she looked anorexic (she exercises more than she eats) before and now she was slightly bigger than normal. Is your girl a lean dog or chubby, easier to tell if she's lean!

N0help4u
Jun 30, 2008, 01:13 PM
I will wait the 2-3 weeks and see if she is showing or vomiting.
She is lean. I was thinking if I can't tell by her stomach soon maybe her nipples would swell first??

N0help4u
Jul 11, 2008, 04:26 PM
It's been around 18 days and her nipples and stomach are still tight as ever . Can I stop worrying or give it more time to be sure??
I really wouldn't care but they are going around telling everybody they are getting 3 puppies, and if we don't sell them for the prices they set and to who they say then they are going to cause problems. They even went to the grocery store where my son worked and told him that. They aren't saying any of that to me. My son said if her boyfriend starts trouble he will call the police. I hope she isn't pregnant so we don't have to deal with the drama.

N0help4u
Aug 16, 2008, 01:04 PM
She just had one baby. She isn't all that big I doubt there could be more than one or two in her if that.
The dog got her twice so could she still have more later -like in a couple or a few days?

Alty
Aug 16, 2008, 01:34 PM
NoHelp, she could still have more pups, in fact she could have been impregnated by more than one male.

As for your neighbor, unless you two have a contract the pups belong to the dam. That's what I've read, but I'm not 100% sure that's accurate.

I also read that you can in fact sue him for letting his dog impregnate yours without your permission, once again, just something I read, not sure of the accuracy. But it's good leeway to get him to stop bugging you. :)

N0help4u
Aug 16, 2008, 02:00 PM
I am trying to just not let them know she was pregnant. She only started showing about three weeks ago and they haven't really seen her. They moved a little further down the street now. In fact the guy that owned the dog is in jail now and she is with another guy already.
I'm not trying to sue her, I'd rather she just go away.
My son and Dan had already told her they should have gotten a fine anyway but knowing them once they know she had them she will keep insisting she is right to have part ownership. After they told them they had no rights to them they made up a story that my son said he was going to give them to the pound so they were insisting I give them the puppies instead, I just told them they ''must have heard wrong that doesn't make sense''
And then walked in the house.

Merricat
Aug 17, 2008, 12:52 PM
You can tell but abdominal ultrasound about 3 weeks/1 month into pregnancy. X-rays are good after 45 days. (Gestation: approx 65 days). As for when she will show? In this breed (well-muscled, thick body) she may not ever be noticeably pregnant. Her nipples may get larger as birth gets very close, but that's it.

I truly appreciate the member who listed all the Spay & Neuter programs. But I simply have to mention how extremely irresponsible BOTH parties are in this. There are so many unwanted pets why would anyone hold on to the antiquated notion of "letting her have one litter?" Not only is it irresponsible, it leads to a higher rate of cancer later in life and, oh, yeah, those puppies you now have to get rid of.
Do you think her fabulous traits are going to passed on to her puppies? Are you a carbon-copy of your parent/s? Genetics don't work that way.
Pardon me if I seem a bit bitter, but I work in this field, and I have seen what happens to unwanted pets first hand. I have had to euthanize puppies and kittens that were "mistakes" that were too much for the owners to deal with and were now too sick to be fixed. I have had upwards of 12 unwanted cats & and their kittens left at the door of my hospital, abandoned--but clearly previously owned.

N0help4u
Aug 17, 2008, 01:03 PM
As I said in post #15 She just had one puppy yesterday and her stomach doesn't feel like there are any more in there.
I was wondering how many hours/days later is it possible for her to have more IF she does have more in there?
We have leash laws here so it has been safe to put your dog out and not expect for it to get pregnant.
How would you suggest she can be in her yard if I am being irresponsible?
I can't put a fence up I am moving in three months and that would be my landlords decision if he wants the yard fenced anyway.
I have to take a bus everywhere I go so I can't get her fixed until I have my vehicle fixed which will not be for another two months.

Did I say anything about her fabulous traits being passed on to her puppies? Or wanting a carbon-copy??
I wasn't even trying to get her pregnant!

The vet told me that a dog should be spayed by 6 years old and after that is when they have more of a possibility of cancer.
She is 1 1/2 years old

Merricat
Aug 17, 2008, 02:49 PM
All I'm saying is that anyone who is not a registered licensed breeder who wants to have "just one litter" is irresponsible. So what IS your reason for wanting to breed her? And that vet is wrong. Going through one heat cycle (which can happen as early as six months) begins to increase the chances of mammary cancer. Each successive heat adds to that risk.
If she had a puppy yesterday and is showing no signs of labor she is done. She can only go 2 hours between puppies (if there are more) before we call it a problem.

Merricat
Aug 17, 2008, 02:52 PM
Just one of the many articles on this topic you can find online:

Mammary Cancer
Race Foster, DVM
Holly Nash, DVM, MS


Mammary tumors are the most common tumors in female dogs who have not been spayed. Mammary tumors can be small, simple nodules or large, aggressive, metastatic growths. With early detection and prompt treatment, even some of the more serious tumors can be successfully treated. Cats also suffer from mammary tumors and they have their own unique set of problems that are discussed in a separate article.
Which dogs are at risk for developing mammary tumors?

Mammary tumors are more common in unspayed, middle-aged female dogs (those between 5 and 10 years of age), although they can, on rare occasions, be found in dogs as young as 2 years. These tumors are rare in dogs that were spayed under 2 years of age. Occasionally, mammary tumors will develop in male dogs and these are usually very aggressive and have a poor prognosis.

The risk of breast cancer is almost eliminated in dogs that are spayed before their first heat.
Spaying greatly reduces the chances of a female dog developing this condition. In those females spayed prior to their first heat cycle, breast cancer is very, very rare. The risk of malignant mammary tumors in dogs spayed prior to their first heat is 0.05%. It is 8% for dog spayed after one heat, and 26% in dogs spayed after their second heat.It is believed that the elimination or reduction of certain hormonal factors causes the lowering of incidence of the disease in dogs that have been spayed. These factors would probably be estrogen, progesterone, a similar hormone or possibly a combination of two or more of these

N0help4u
Aug 17, 2008, 03:34 PM
I never said I wanted to breed her. IF I wanted to breed her I would have made an agreement with somebody to breed her. I can not get her to a place to get her spayed since my vehicle has been broke down and I didn't know the neighbor was going to just let her dog bf's dog out hoping it would run over and 'get' my dog.
According to what you are saying then I guess she is only having the one puppy and I don't have to worry about her having more cause it has been 24 hrs.

I reversed my choux's cancer when she was 10 in '97, she was never spayed. That was when the vet told me about them being more prone to cancer it if they are not fixed by 6. She was bad really bad off and I reversed it into remission. I do know how to take care of cancer not that I would want her to get cancer but even the healthiest of us can get diseases. I am quite capable of dealing with keeping them healthy with preventatives. My lab-huskie was never spayed and she lived to 12 and never had any babies or cancer.

Merricat
Aug 17, 2008, 03:48 PM
[QUOTE=N0help4u]She is 2 1/2 and I am thinking of her having one liter before I get her spayed.


Breeding her and letting her have one litter is the same thing.

I'm glad you have a miracle cure for cancer. Perhaps you could share it with the rest of the world?

N0help4u
Aug 17, 2008, 03:57 PM
As I said I did not let her have one liter. I was not involved in her getting pregnant.

I did start to share it on another post here I believe you even replied to the post.

Most people don't want to hear it though because they believe in the doctors.

N0help4u
Aug 17, 2008, 04:01 PM
Merricat disagrees: NO help's changing story throughout this thread is a little alarming.

WHAT DID I change in my story?