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pendia
Jun 30, 2008, 04:24 AM
My Father Just Passed Away A Day Ago And His Live In Girlfriend Of 3 Years Is Trying To Claim All The Family Inhertiance. My Dad Supposley Had A Will Made Up But Now We Can Not Find It And The Attorney Said He Is Not Sure If He Has A Copy Of It. Where Do We Go From Here?

JudyKayTee
Jun 30, 2008, 06:14 AM
My Father Just Passed Away A Day Ago And His Live In Girlfriend Of 3 Years Is Trying To Claim All The Family Inhertiance. My Dad Supposley Had A Will Made Up But Now We Can Not Find It And The Attorney Said He Is Not Sure If He Has A Copy Of It. Where Do We Go From Here?



I don't know what State you are in but even without a Will the girlfriend has no right to inherit - she is not blood and that is how the line of inheritance works.

A copy of the Will won't help you - you need the original. Was it filed with the Court?

Who is arranging and paying for the funeral?

I'd bury your father first and then go to an Attorney and see what can be done.

George_1950
Jun 30, 2008, 06:16 AM
Welcome to AMHD. I am sorry for the loss of your father. You need to find the will, and the attorney says he can't find it?? Write the attorney a letter and request a copy; ask the attorney who would have witnessed the will (probably a secretary) and contact any potential witnesses; they might have kept a record of witnessing wills. Contact the probate court where your dad resides to see if it has a copy; this has been known to happen as it is a courtesy in some locations. If there is no will, you can apply to be the administrator of his estate; as far as I am aware, she cannot.

JudyKayTee
Jun 30, 2008, 06:38 AM
Welcome to AMHD. I am sorry for the loss of your father. You need to find the will, and the attorney says he can't find it??? Write the attorney a letter and request a copy; ask the attorney who would have witnessed the will (probably a secretary) and contact any potential witnesses; they might have kept a record of witnessing wills. Contact the probate court where your dad resides to see if it has a copy; this has been known to happen as it is a courtesy in some locations. If there is no will, you can apply to be the administrator of his estate; as far as I am aware, she cannot.


A copy of the Will is not sufficient - OP needs the original in order to file for probate.

ScottGem
Jun 30, 2008, 06:45 AM
I would first file in probate court to be the executor of his estate. You need to gain control Immediaiately. You can worry about finding a will later. But you need to get the estate out of her control.

As noted, since she was not married and not a blood relative, she has no legal standing. So getting yourself named executor, will not be difficult.

JudyKayTee
Jun 30, 2008, 06:52 AM
I would first file in probate court to be the executor of his estate. You need to gain control Immediaiately. You can worry about finding a will later. But you need to get the estate out of her control.

As noted, since she was not married and not a blood relative, she has no legal standing. So getting yourself named executor, will not be difficult.




And, as Scott said, do it quickly before she empties the house out.

George_1950
Jun 30, 2008, 08:22 AM
A copy of the Will is not sufficient - OP needs the original in order to file for probate.
However: "As a general rule, the original document must be presented for probate. Probate of a copy or duplicate of a will is not permitted unless the absence of the original is satisfactorily explained to the court. If a properly proved copy or duplicate of a will that has been lost or destroyed is presented to the court, it may be admitted to probate. Some states have special proceedings to handle such occurrences. A thorough and diligent search for the will is necessary before a copy can be probated as a lost will." See: Probate legal definition of Probate. Probate synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary. (http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/probate)

JudyKayTee
Jun 30, 2008, 08:24 AM
However: "As a general rule, the original document must be presented for probate. Probate of a copy or duplicate of a will is not permitted unless the absence of the original is satisfactorily explained to the court. If a properly proved copy or duplicate of a will that has been lost or destroyed is presented to the court, it may be admitted to probate. Some states have special proceedings to handle such occurrences. A thorough and diligent search for the will is necessary before a copy can be probated as a lost will."



Can you give me where you found this? I've been part of several investigations on this same subject (Court appointed for 2 of them) and the Court would not accept a copy, despite hearings, because there was no proof that the Will was not replaced by another Will which also could not be found.

This is why it is recommended that old Wills be shredded so they can never be admitted to probate.

I'd be interested in the site as well as the State because things do vary State to State.

George_1950
Jun 30, 2008, 08:44 AM
Can you give me where you found this?
...

I'd be interested in the site as well as the State because things do vary State to State.
If you want state by state research, try a legal encyclopedia: Corpus Juris Secundum or American Jurisprudence 2d.
See: Corpus Juris Secundum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Juris_Secundum) or
American Jurisprudence, 2nd Edition (http://www.carswell.com/areasofinterest/international/featuredtitles/American+Jurispudence.htm)

JudyKayTee
Jun 30, 2008, 09:00 AM
If you want state by state research, try a legal encyclopedia: Corpus Juris Secundum or American Jurisprudence 2d.
See: Corpus Juris Secundum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Juris_Secundum) or
American Jurisprudence, 2nd Edition (http://www.carswell.com/areasofinterest/international/featuredtitles/American+Jurispudence.htm)



Thanks but I already know how do legal research - I didn't want to have to research where you got that quote. Of course, now that you've added the site to your original posting my question is no longer necessary.

But thanks -

George_1950
Jun 30, 2008, 10:01 AM
Thanks but I already know how do legal research - I didn't want to have to research where you got that quote. Of course, now that you've added the site to your original posting my question is no longer necessary.

But thanks -
I didn't add it as it was already there. You're welcome.

cdad
Jun 30, 2008, 01:05 PM
Thought you might find this interesting reading.

MyStateWill.com : Intestacy Calculators show what happens without a will (http://www.mystatewill.com/)

JudyKayTee
Jun 30, 2008, 02:19 PM
Thought you might find this interesting reading.

MyStateWill.com : Intestacy Calculators show what happens without a will (http://www.mystatewill.com/)


That's a great site - I've never come across it before. Most helpful, worth saving. Should be an eye opener for anyone who doesn't have a Will.

Fr_Chuck
Jun 30, 2008, 03:03 PM
But the issue at hand, the girlfriend unless she has a will to produce can't get anything unless her name is joint on some of the property. So your first issue will be protecting the property, getting someone named in probate to handle the estate and freezing any of his accounts, and securing his property.

cdad
Jun 30, 2008, 07:26 PM
It seems in some states a domestic partner is entitled to a share if someone dies. Mostly going to depend on what state this is. From the site I posted it shows Cali ( go figure ) as one of the states that recognises domestic partners.

ScottGem
Jul 1, 2008, 05:24 AM
It seems in some states a domestic partner is entitled to a share if someone dies. Mostly going to depend on what state this is. From the site I posted it shows Cali ( go figure ) as one of the states that recognises domestic partners.

But how is "domestic partner" defined in that case?

cdad
Jul 1, 2008, 01:05 PM
In the case of the OP it really depends on the state that they live in. Here is a reference for Cali.

California Domestic Partnership Law - Domestic Partnership Lawyer (Attorney) (http://www.kinseylaw.com/clientserv2/famlawservices/domesticpartner/domesticpartnerdisso.html)

ScottGem
Jul 1, 2008, 05:57 PM
Generally a domestic partnership needs to be registered. There is no indication this was done.